I have just come across what seem to me to be duplicate baptismal records, only in two different churches. 1 -- typed manuscript of Christchurch Newgate Street, indicates that Mary Harvey, daughter of Sir Elias (sic) Harvey and his wife was baptized March 25, 1672/3. 2) original parish register of All Hallows Staining shows a baptism for Mary Harvey, daughter of Sir Elias Harvey and his wife, on March 25, 1672/73. (To add to the confusion, the date is mistranscribed as 1692/93 but looking at the parish record itself it is clear that the date is 1672/73. I should add that I found both entries in the London baptisms, marriages and burials 1538-1812, etc. file on Ancestry. Both entries use the form: "and his wife" rather than give her name. Can anyone explain why there would be duplicate entries? Santa T.

Hello All. I have just uploaded a third London fire map, entitled: A New & Correct Plan Of All The Houses Destroyed And Damaged By The Fire Which Began In Exchange-Alley, Cornhill, On Friday, March 25th, 1748. http://archivemaps.com/mapco/cornhill/fire.htm I have also revised and improved the 1765 fire map of Bishopsgate, and linked the two: A Plan Of The Great Fire In Bishopsgate Street Leadenhall Street & Cornhill &c. On Thursday Novr 7th 1765. http://archivemaps.com/mapco/bishopsgate/fire.htm Both of these maps include extensive notes taken from the London Magazine and Gentleman's Magazine of the time, including the names of occupants in the area, and notes on some of those killed during the fires. The 1748 fire plan article recalls the great fire of 1666, and links back to this map: A Plan of the City and Liberties of London, Shewing the Extent of the Dreadful Conflagration in the Year 1666. http://archivemaps.com/mapco/london/1666liberties.htm There is a compelling link between these three maps. It is fascinating to contemplate just how close London may have come to repeated total catastrophe in 1748 and 1765. I hope that you find these items of great historical, and hopefully for some, genealogical, interest. Kind regards, David Hale, Adelaide, South Australia. MAPCO : Map And Plan Collection Online http://archivemaps.com Map of London 1851 http://london1851.com Map of London 1868 http://london1868.com Map Of Dublin 1798 http://dublin1798.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Great stuff as usual David ........ so glad you are 'back in the swing' Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hale (Home)" <dwhale@internode.on.net> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 7:27 PM Subject: [MDX] Map of London 1857. MAPCO is back!

Hi David Hale, Thank you for your work and provision of maps I never even dreamed existed. If only I had had access to them 65 years ago, I would have been far more interested in history than I was then. Of course, the problem was that there were no computers in those days. Your contribution to my family history has already been a very pleasant surprise. Very gratefully, Bill Jones. Rye, NH., USA. On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 5:57 AM, David Hale (Home) <dwhale@internode.on.net> wrote: > Hello All. > > I have just uploaded a third London fire map, entitled: > > A New & Correct Plan Of All The Houses Destroyed And Damaged By The > Fire Which Began In Exchange-Alley, Cornhill, On Friday, March 25th, 1748. > http://archivemaps.com/mapco/cornhill/fire.htm > > I have also revised and improved the 1765 fire map of Bishopsgate, > and linked the two: > > A Plan Of The Great Fire In Bishopsgate Street Leadenhall Street & > Cornhill &c. On Thursday Novr 7th 1765. > http://archivemaps.com/mapco/bishopsgate/fire.htm > > Both of these maps include extensive notes taken from the London > Magazine and Gentleman's Magazine of the time, including the names of > occupants in the area, and notes on some of those killed during the fires. > > The 1748 fire plan article recalls the great fire of 1666, and links > back to this map: > > A Plan of the City and Liberties of London, Shewing the Extent of the > Dreadful Conflagration in the Year 1666. > http://archivemaps.com/mapco/london/1666liberties.htm > > There is a compelling link between these three maps. It is > fascinating to contemplate just how close London may have come to > repeated total catastrophe in 1748 and 1765. > > I hope that you find these items of great historical, and hopefully > for some, genealogical, interest. > > Kind regards, > > David Hale, > Adelaide, > South Australia. > > MAPCO : Map And Plan Collection Online > http://archivemaps.com > > Map of London 1851 > http://london1851.com > > Map of London 1868 > http://london1868.com > > Map Of Dublin 1798 > http://dublin1798.com > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello All. After a busy year in which too much work kept me from the important task of displaying historical maps, I am finally back, with a map that was well worth waiting for. In an attempt to fill the gaps for decades with little London map representation on the MAPCO website, I have scanned and restored the following beautiful little map: Kelly's Post Office Directory Map Of London 1857 http://archivemaps.com/mapco/kelly1857/kelly.htm This hand coloured map of London is highly detailed, and is the earliest example of a Tape Indicator Map that MAPCO has ever come across. The map displays London Postal District boundaries, hand coloured in outline. Use the thumbnail map at the top of each page to navigate your way around the map. Hovering your mouse pointer over the thumbnails will display a pop-up message showing the areas covered by that map section. A coloured thumbnail image shows you where you are on the map. The usual 'click to enlarge' feature applies to the individual map section images displayed. I hope you like this pretty and useful little addition to the MAPCO website. Enjoy the MAPCO website. It is free! Kind regards, David Hale, Adelaide, South Australia. MAPCO : Map And Plan Collection Online http://archivemaps.com Map of London 1851 http://london1851.com Map of London 1868 http://london1868.com Map Of Dublin 1798 http://dublin1798.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Paul Prescott wrote: > Charani: > > Assistant in shop. Many thanks :)) That makes sense with what I've just found out about her :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Paula Patterson wrote: > looks like 'assistant in shop' to me... JFHH wrote: > Assistant in shop. Many thanks both :)) The benefit of fresh eyes :)) It looked like "wship" to me which made me think it was a mangled washerwoman (no pun intended). -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Charani: Assistant in shop. Paul On 12 October 2010 13:01, Charani <charani.b@gmail.com> wrote: > Could someone have a look at the following and see if they can > decipher the drunken spider writing of a tired enumerator please? > This one's got me beat :( > > Sophia BIBB is a 14 yo Assistant what?, born St James Middx > > The reference is RG09 piece 173 folio 114 page 54 > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Charani, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <charani.b@gmail.com> > Could someone have a look at the following and see if they can > decipher the drunken spider writing of a tired enumerator please? > This one's got me beat :( > > Sophia BIBB is a 14 yo Assistant what?, born St James Middx > > The reference is RG09 piece 173 folio 114 page 54 > > -- > Charani (UK)> Assistant in shop. Regards John Henley

Could someone have a look at the following and see if they can decipher the drunken spider writing of a tired enumerator please? This one's got me beat :( Sophia BIBB is a 14 yo Assistant what?, born St James Middx The reference is RG09 piece 173 folio 114 page 54 -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Many thanks to Paul and Paula who responded to my request (below). The consensus of opinion seems to be that my 4 x g grandmother's name was Jane TROVEY. Has anyone come across this particular name in their tree? Lizzie I believe that I have found the marriage of my 4 x g grandparents in the parish registers of St Dunstan & All Saints, Stepney, Middlesex in the London Marriages & Banns 1754 - 1921 collection on Ancestry but cannot quite make out the bride's surname. The groom's name is Robert BRITTON and he married Jane ? on 13 September 1774. The best I've been able to come up with so far is TROVEY. Would someone with an Ancestry subscription mind having a look to see what they think? The image in question is number 19 (of 27) and the year is 1774.

Hi Dianne Given the proximity of Orange, the place of death for your relative, to the Hill End and Tambaroora goldfields, it is possible that your ancestor was a gold miner. The website for the Hill End Family History Society is www.hillendfamily history.com. You can contact the research officer for the Society, Daphne, at the email address , hillend.@yahoo.com.au. Cheers Maxwell.

Jon Foundthe poor fellow's death in Essex earlier today Sunday More outlay of money it seems, Percy has had me goig around in circles and plus wrong certificates, and as you know, it gets costly and frustrating when we get them with differnet names Thanks again Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon's FH" <jons.fh@btinternet.com> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [MDX] Need help with BIRD family > Elaine, > > There's a death index of a Percy C. Bird, aged 54 in 1944 at > Southend-on-Sea, Essex, vol. 4a p. 753. > > No more details given, it's just an index. > > Jon > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jon thanks for trying and it seems I have to go elsewhere to view the latter Wills 1941- 1945 These are on microfilm held at our State Library, means a train trip to CBD in Melbourne !! Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon's FH" <jons.fh@btinternet.com> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [MDX] Need help with BIRD family > Sorry Elaine > > Wills and probate on Ancestry only go up to 1941. > > Jon > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lizzie: I should have added that Jane TROVEY's signature and that of John TROVEY, one of the witnesses, are much clearer. Paul On 10 October 2010 18:37, Elizabeth Allen <lizziecallen@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Listers > > I believe that I have found the marriage of my 4 x g grandparents in the > parish > registers of St Dunstan & All Saints, Stepney, Middlesex in the London > Marriages > & Banns 1754 - 1921 collection on Ancestry but cannot quite make out the > bride's > surname. The groom's name is Robert BRITTON and he married Jane ? on 13 > September 1774. > > The best I've been able to come up with so far is TROVEY. Would someone > with an > Ancestry subscription mind having a look to see what they think? The image > in > question is number 19 (of 27) and the year is 1774. > > Many thanks > > Lizze Allen > > > > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Having checked the image I'm going with Jane TROVEY as well. Paula On 10/10/2010 18:37, Elizabeth Allen wrote: > Hi Listers > > I believe that I have found the marriage of my 4 x g grandparents in the parish > registers of St Dunstan& All Saints, Stepney, Middlesex in the London Marriages > & Banns 1754 - 1921 collection on Ancestry but cannot quite make out the bride's > surname. The groom's name is Robert BRITTON and he married Jane ? on 13 > September 1774. > > The best I've been able to come up with so far is TROVEY. Would someone with an > Ancestry subscription mind having a look to see what they think? The image in > question is number 19 (of 27) and the year is 1774. > > Many thanks > > Lizze Allen > > > > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Lizzie: It's Jane TROVEY. Compare the second letter (the "r") with the second letter of BRITTON. Paul On 10 October 2010 18:37, Elizabeth Allen <lizziecallen@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Listers > > I believe that I have found the marriage of my 4 x g grandparents in the > parish > registers of St Dunstan & All Saints, Stepney, Middlesex in the London > Marriages > & Banns 1754 - 1921 collection on Ancestry but cannot quite make out the > bride's > surname. The groom's name is Robert BRITTON and he married Jane ? on 13 > September 1774. > > The best I've been able to come up with so far is TROVEY. Would someone > with an > Ancestry subscription mind having a look to see what they think? The image > in > question is number 19 (of 27) and the year is 1774. > > Many thanks > > Lizze Allen > > > > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Listers I believe that I have found the marriage of my 4 x g grandparents in the parish registers of St Dunstan & All Saints, Stepney, Middlesex in the London Marriages & Banns 1754 - 1921 collection on Ancestry but cannot quite make out the bride's surname. The groom's name is Robert BRITTON and he married Jane ? on 13 September 1774. The best I've been able to come up with so far is TROVEY. Would someone with an Ancestry subscription mind having a look to see what they think? The image in question is number 19 (of 27) and the year is 1774. Many thanks Lizze Allen

Fantastic Thank You. Paul ________________________________ From: Paula Patterson <prawm@hotmail.com> To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 4:18:47 AM Subject: Re: [MDX] DRAKE - Canada   Interesting! 1851 census of Canada East St Paul d'Abbotsford, Hyacinthe County, Canada East Jos DRAKE Farmer, born England, religion Episcopalian, age next birthday 51 Lydia DRAKE born England, religion Episcopalian, age next birthday 50 Maria DRAKE born England, religion Episcopalian, age next birthday 22 Walter DRAKE born England, religion Episcopalian, age next birthday 20 1861 census of Canada East: Montreal, Canada East Roll:C-1249, Image:15373 Joseph M DRAKE Profession, trade or calling - Apothecary,  born  England,  religion EC,  age next birthday 35,  Sex Male,  Married or single - S Montreal, Canada East Roll:C-1245, Image:11916 Joseph DRAKE Profession, trade or calling - Vestry clerk of Christchurch Cathedral,  born  England,  religion C of E,  age next birthday 61,  Sex Male,  Married or single - M Lydia DRAKE born  England,  religion C of E,  age next birthday 6o,  Sex Female,  Married or single - M 1871 census of Canada St Antoine Ward, Montreal West, Quebec Roll:C-10047, Page 68 DRAKE Joseph M*, M, 43, Born England C of England, Origin English, Physician, M(arried) DRAKE Mary Ann, F, 44, Born England, C of England, Origin English, M(arried) DRAKE Mary, F, 20, Born Scotland, C of England, Origin English *Transcribed as Joseph U DRAKE Abbotsford, Rouville, Quebec Roll:C-10069, Page 16 DRAKE Joseph, M, 71, born Angleterre, religion Anglicaine, origin Anglaise, occupation Cultivateur, M(arried) DRAKE Lydia, F, 70, born Angleterre, religion Anglicaine, origin Anglaise, M(arried) DRAKE Marya, F, 41, born Angleterre, religion Anglicaine, origin Anglaise, occupation Cultivateur, M(arried) <snipped> > who was bron 1828 Paddingto and emigrated to Canada in 1845 and became an > eminent physiologist and in 1897 the "Joseph Morley Drake chair of physiology" > was created after his death in 1886 in Abbotsford, Ottawa. His father Joseph > died before 1841 and after 1841 I cannot trace his mother Lydia, sister Esther > Maria or Walter. I believe it possible they all moved to Canada. > > Problem is ancestry has very little details - no immigration records etc -  and > I can't even find Joseph Morley on the censuses. > > Does anyone have any details or know where I can find details especially on > Joseph Morley. > > Thanks > > Paul ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I have a mystery HORNBLOWER family. I have Mary Mercy BELLAMY spinster, born abt 1780 died 1840 who in her will leaves her cousin Elizabeth RANSOM nee HORN BLOWER her estate. Elizabeth RANSOM, widow was said to be from Molten Mowbray, Leicestershire but the BELLAMY family were all from Middlesex. In fact Mary was the daughter of John BELLAMY who stated the Eating House in the House of Commons in 1773. The family were well to do with Mary's two siblings being witnesses to her will. I do not have a maiden name for the wife of John BELLAMY her mother. Maybe the HORNBLOWER is connected through her mother's family? Does any one have any suggestions for me? Regards, Jenny New Zealand