Hi Diane You don't say what site you are talking about with regard to wills so its hard to comment but are you talking post 1858? If so wills were then recorded Nationally and if there is one it should be relatively easy to find compared to pre 1858 Not sure as yet how you come to the conclusion that her real father was a Donald MACPHERSON but there are several listed in the Calendars of wills Coverage as follows Missing volumes: Our collection covers 80 years from 1861 to 1941. We currently do not have the books for the years 1858-1860 and there are some gaps for the years 1863, 1868, 1873, 1876, 1877, 1883, 1888, 1899-1903 and 1910-1911. However, we hope to add records for these years as soon as possible. So do you have any clues as to when he died or at least died by? I have often come across the story of a will that for some reason or other could not be collected on, most if not all were fabrications to hide something If you can find the approximate year of death the will should be fairly easy to obtain, given it exists of course Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello > My gr grandmother was born on North Audley Street, London, Middlesex about > 1845. > She was illegitimate. I know that some children were never baptized, but > would > like to try and > > find it. I do belong to ancestry and have tried this. Her name was Fanny > Adams, real father was Donald MacPherson, mother I have no idea. When she > was > married she said her father was George Adams, which I have a oil/water > painting > of either him or Donald. I have all info after she was married but > nothing > before. > Even in the census after, she seemed to be born a different year and > different > places. There is a WILL from Donald MacPherson, (no idea when he died). > He did > leave her money but could never prove she was his daughter so never got > the > money. Her oldest daughter tried to get at the WILL but was unsuccessful. > I am also looking for that too. Fanny died in 1907, Fanny Britten. > I have looked at the English website on WILL's but can't seem to get at > what I > want, it is just too confusing. > > Anyone have any suggestions on this. > > Thank you very much. > Diane Potter > Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada

Hi Diane There is this will in the National Probate Records on Ancestry for a Donald McPherson (I know the spelling is slightly different!) but it fitted well with you mentioning a painter. Donald McPHERSON of 11 Bond Street, Surrey retired painter died 22 January 1895 at the London County Asylum, Hanwell, Middlesex. Probate - 10th May 1895 LONDON to Francis Thornton BARNETT, librarian of the Mitchell Library, Glasgow. Effects £617 17s 3d Freebmd has his age at death 66 years registered at Uxbridge. That would mean he was 16/17 when his daughter was born. A bit young but possible!! HTH Best wishes Ally On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Diane Potter <dbelton99@yahoo.ca> wrote: > Hello > My gr grandmother was born on North Audley Street, London, Middlesex about > 1845. > She was illegitimate. I know that some children were never baptized, but > would > like to try and > > find it. I do belong to ancestry and have tried this. Her name was Fanny > Adams, real father was Donald MacPherson, mother I have no idea. When she > was > married she said her father was George Adams, which I have a oil/water > painting > of either him or Donald. I have all info after she was married but nothing > before. > Even in the census after, she seemed to be born a different year and > different > places. There is a WILL from Donald MacPherson, (no idea when he died). > He did > leave her money but could never prove she was his daughter so never got the > money. Her oldest daughter tried to get at the WILL but was unsuccessful. > I am also looking for that too. Fanny died in 1907, Fanny Britten. > I have looked at the English website on WILL's but can't seem to get at > what I > want, it is just too confusing. > > Anyone have any suggestions on this. > > Thank you very much. > Diane Potter > Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada > > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Diane Potter wrote: > > My gr grandmother was born on North Audley Street, London, > Middlesex about 1845. She was illegitimate. I know that some > children were never baptized, but would like to try and find it. Have you discounted this one: Births Jun 1844 Adams Frances Sarah Marylebone 1 241 Fanny is a pet version of Frances > I do belong to ancestry and have tried this. Ancestry hasn't put the whole of the London parish CMBs yet but if the above is the person you want, then it's possible the reason is that Ancestry's agreement doesn't cover events in Westminster which I believe includes the Marylebone area. > Her name was Fanny Adams, real father was Donald MacPherson, mother > I have no idea. It's unusual to know who the father is but not the mother. What brought you to the conclusion Donald MacPHERSON was the father? > When she was married she said her father was George Adams, which I > have a oil/water painting of either him or Donald. I have all info > after she was married but nothing before. It's not unusual for an illegitimate bride (or groom) to invent a father for the sake of appearances. These fathers were invariably deceased to stop any awkward questions about why he wasn't at the wedding. > Even in the census after, she seemed to be born a different year > and different places. There's nothing especially unusual there. The information in the censuses is only as good as the informant and it doesn't make any difference whether the person/people were illegitimate or not. People then often didn't know exactly how old they were or where they were born. If someone else was filling in the form for them, that person might guess the details or make assumptions. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Hello My gr grandmother was born on North Audley Street, London, Middlesex about 1845. She was illegitimate. I know that some children were never baptized, but would like to try and find it. I do belong to ancestry and have tried this. Her name was Fanny Adams, real father was Donald MacPherson, mother I have no idea. When she was married she said her father was George Adams, which I have a oil/water painting of either him or Donald. I have all info after she was married but nothing before. Even in the census after, she seemed to be born a different year and different places. There is a WILL from Donald MacPherson, (no idea when he died). He did leave her money but could never prove she was his daughter so never got the money. Her oldest daughter tried to get at the WILL but was unsuccessful. I am also looking for that too. Fanny died in 1907, Fanny Britten. I have looked at the English website on WILL's but can't seem to get at what I want, it is just too confusing. Anyone have any suggestions on this. Thank you very much. Diane Potter Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada

that's right Charani - lists are all about what we learn from each other - imagine no lists - sitting by yourself, or with a few others, wondering................ :0) > Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 11:54:45 +0100 > From: charani.b@gmail.com > To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MDX] London Parish Boundaries Map 1877 > > Mick wrote: > > > And yet Genealogy mailing lists are full of people requesting and > > receiving freebe lookups! > > But I thought that's what the mailing lists were: look up exchanges > <VBG> Obviously the lists are far more than that but it certainly > seems to be the attitude of a few who vocally object to discussions on > genealogical subjects. >

If anyone is researching the surname GILBY, My relative William EDEN, proprietor of houses,  died 1853, Middlesex,  mentions in his will, a Mr E. GILBY. Also mentioned is  'the Reverend Mr QUATERMILL"? or QUARTERMILL (I cannot decipher the name clearly), possibly owner of Adelaide Chambers, Gracechurch Street. Glenys

David - while I understand and share your outrage, isn't this a case of bolting the stable door after the horse has gone ? The map has been hijacked but there is no need to penalise the rest of the genealogical community. Is there no way you can control who has access to your site, either by way of subscription or password control or simply by preventing downloads ? I'm sure someone more computer-savvy than me can come up with a way of doing that. Anne South Australia David Hale (Home) wrote: > Hello All. > > I have recently been contact by someone who informed me that they > intended to"hijack" the work I have put into the MAPCO website, by > using the following map with or without my permission: >

Testing. My last list received was #214 on 13th  Oct Glenys

>From The Morning Post ( London, England ), Monday, February 28, 1803; Issue 10734. DIED. - On Saturday, at his house, in Kentish Town, Mr. LANGLEY, many years chimney-sweep to the King.

Santa, The confusion has arisen due to a labelling error by Ancestry. There appears to have been only one baptism, at All Hallows Staining. This is shown in the original parish register (LMA ref. P69/ALH6/A/A/01, former Guildhall Ms 17824). The other, typescript source is a partial index and transcription of the same register, All Hallows Staining (former Guildhall Ms 21584/1). Ancestry have labelled this incorrectly as Christ Church Newgate. What's more, they have allocated it the wrong LMA reference (P69/ALH6/A/A/01, should be P69/ALH6/A/017). Now that the registers are indexed, albeit with deficiencies, at least we can see the sources for the data. In cases of doubt, the catalogue references given by Ancestry can be cross-checked with the LMA's online catalogue. http://search.lma.gov.uk/opac_lma/index.htm HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Santa Traugott I have just come across what seem to me to be duplicate baptismal records, only in two different churches. 1 -- typed manuscript of Christchurch Newgate Street, indicates that Mary Harvey, daughter of Sir Elias (sic) Harvey and his wife was baptized March 25, 1672/3. 2) original parish register of All Hallows Staining shows a baptism for Mary Harvey, daughter of Sir Elias Harvey and his wife, on March 25, 1672/73. (To add to the confusion, the date is mistranscribed as 1692/93 but looking at the parish record itself it is clear that the date is 1672/73. I should add that I found both entries in the London baptisms, marriages and burials 1538-1812, etc. file on Ancestry. Both entries use the form: "and his wife" rather than give her name. Can anyone explain why there would be duplicate entries? Santa T.

Hello Santa. I suspect that there was in fact only one baptism but it was recorded in both registers because Christchurch was, I believe, burnt down in the Great Fire of London and the rebuilding was not completed until after 1672/3.. As residents of Christchurch parish Sir Elias and his family maty have availed themselves of arrangements for services to be held at All Saints, but thought it proper for the entry to be shown in both registers. Sid . On 16 October 2010 02:45, Santa Traugott <strau@umich.edu> wrote: > I have just come across what seem to me to be duplicate baptismal records, > only in two different churches. > > 1 -- typed manuscript of Christchurch Newgate Street, indicates that Mary > Harvey, daughter of Sir Elias (sic) Harvey and his wife was baptized March > 25, 1672/3. > > 2) original parish register of All Hallows Staining shows a baptism for > Mary Harvey, daughter of Sir Elias Harvey and his wife, on March 25, > 1672/73. (To add to the confusion, the date is mistranscribed as 1692/93 > but looking at the parish record itself it is clear that the date is > 1672/73. > > I should add that I found both entries in the London baptisms, marriages > and burials 1538-1812, etc. file on Ancestry. Both entries use the form: > "and his wife" rather than give her name. > > Can anyone explain why there would be duplicate entries? > > Santa T. > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello All. I have recently been contact by someone who informed me that they intended to"hijack" the work I have put into the MAPCO website, by using the following map with or without my permission: Map Of London Showing The Boundaries Of Parishes, Ecclesiastical Districts, And Poor Law Divisions. 1877. http://archivemaps.com/mapco/parish/parish.htm When I expressed that this was not acceptable, the response was that they should have just stolen the item for their use anyway without contacting me, implying that I had no right to an attitude of protection or ownership of my real and intellectual property. Folks, we have all been through this before with Wallis's 1801 map, and many of you actively assisted to redress the situation with the persons involved (for which I thank you). Even so, it resulted in removal of that map from the MAPCO website for about 18 months, until I found the time to heavily watermark the images and re-display the map. The MAPCO website represents an input of tens of thousands of hours of my personal time over the last 6-7 years, plus an enormous personal financial outlay of which you can only speculate. I have always been willing to generously share the maps online for researchers worldwide to use for free. In return I simply ask for honest use of the site (I rarely have to push the issue of copyright ownership, which is certainly law in my country and many others, though with varying restrictions). Anyway, it is my sad duty to inform you that the London Parish Boundaries Map 1877 has been removed from display from the MAPCO website. It was perhaps the most unique London map on the site, and it is with great regret that I am removing it from display. It is not currently my intention to ever return it to the site. I sincerely apologise to all of you who used this map. Kind regards, David Hale, Adelaide, South Australia. MAPCO : Map And Plan Collection Online http://archivemaps.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mick wrote: > And yet Genealogy mailing lists are full of people requesting and > receiving freebe lookups! But I thought that's what the mailing lists were: look up exchanges <VBG> Obviously the lists are far more than that but it certainly seems to be the attitude of a few who vocally object to discussions on genealogical subjects. Exchanging information and asking for help is one thing. Nicking someone else's hard work is another. I'm saying nowt more because I don't want to incur Ann's wrath! :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Anne Chambers wrote: > Is there no way you can control who has > access to your site, either by way of subscription or password > control or simply by preventing downloads ? I'm sure someone more > computer-savvy than me can come up with a way of doing that. I've come across some sites where there's a large "you can't download this page/image" notice but, in fact, it's impossible to stop anyone downloading anything from any site. You don't have to be particularly computer savvy to do it either. Watermarking can be a deterent because it can take quite a bit of work to remove them, more usually than a thief can be bothered with. Registering to use the site could result in an innocent party being blocked from using David's site if one of his maps is misappropriated. The majority of internet users are decent honest people but, as in any walk of life, there's a dishonest minority and there's very little can be done about them without great, and disproportionate, cost sadly. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Anne Chambers wrote: > Is there no way you can control who has > access to your site, either by way of subscription or password > control or simply by preventing downloads ? I'm sure someone more > computer-savvy than me can come up with a way of doing that. I've come across some sites where there's a large "you can't download this page/image" notice but, in fact, it's impossible to stop anyone downloading anything from any site. You don't have to be particularly computer savvy to do it either. Watermarking can be a deterent because it can take quite a bit of work to remove them, more usually than a thief can be bothered with. Registering to use the site could result in an innocent party being blocked from using David's site if one of his maps is misappropriated. The majority of internet users are decent honest people but, as in any walk of life, there's a dishonest minority and there's very little can be done about them without great, and disproportionate, cost. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

David Hale (Home) wrote: > Hello All. > > I have recently been contact by someone who informed me that they > intended to"hijack" the work I have put into the MAPCO website, by > using the following map with or without my permission: It's very sad to hear your hard work is being sabotaged again. It's beyond my comprehension how someone can be so nasty an mean spirited. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Or maybe all the maps need to be heavily watermarked. Unfortunately this case is probably just the tip of the iceberg and there have probably been many more hijacks we are not yet aware of. Steve UK -----Original Message----- From: Anne Chambers Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 9:44 AM To: kent-eng@rootsweb.com ; Surrey ; middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDX] [KENT-ENG] London Parish Boundaries Map 1877 David - while I understand and share your outrage, isn't this a case of bolting the stable door after the horse has gone ? The map has been hijacked but there is no need to penalise the rest of the genealogical community. Is there no way you can control who has access to your site, either by way of subscription or password control or simply by preventing downloads ? I'm sure someone more computer-savvy than me can come up with a way of doing that. Anne South Australia David Hale (Home) wrote: > Hello All. > > I have recently been contact by someone who informed me that they > intended to"hijack" the work I have put into the MAPCO website, by > using the following map with or without my permission: > ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear David This happened to me once, and when it did even I was surprised at the strength of my reaction to it. You have my sincere sympathy and complete support for the action you have been obliged to take. I note that your own decency has prevented you from naming and shaming the culprit. This is to your credit and no less than we would all have expected from you. But if you ever feel able to drop any hints about the toe rag who did this to you, I am sure we would all be grateful... Nil illegitimi carborundum! Caroline > Hello All. > > I have recently been contact by someone who informed me that they > intended to"hijack" the work I have put into the MAPCO website, by > using the following map with or without my permission: > > Map Of London Showing The Boundaries Of Parishes, Ecclesiastical > Districts, And Poor Law Divisions. 1877. > http://archivemaps.com/mapco/parish/parish.htm > > When I expressed that this was not acceptable, the response was that > they should have just stolen the item for their use anyway without > contacting me, implying that I had no right to an attitude of > protection or ownership of my real and intellectual property. > > Folks, we have all been through this before with Wallis's 1801 map, > and many of you actively assisted to redress the situation with the > persons involved (for which I thank you). Even so, it resulted in > removal of that map from the MAPCO website for about 18 months, until > I found the time to heavily watermark the images and re-display the > map. > > The MAPCO website represents an input of tens of thousands of hours > of my personal time over the last 6-7 years, plus an enormous > personal financial outlay of which you can only speculate. I have > always been willing to generously share the maps online for > researchers worldwide to use for free. In return I simply ask for > honest use of the site (I rarely have to push the issue of copyright > ownership, which is certainly law in my country and many others, > though with varying restrictions). > > Anyway, it is my sad duty to inform you that the London Parish > Boundaries Map 1877 has been removed from display from the MAPCO > website. It was perhaps the most unique London map on the site, and > it is with great regret that I am removing it from display. It is not > currently my intention to ever return it to the site. > > I sincerely apologise to all of you who used this map. > > Kind regards, > > David Hale, > Adelaide, > South Australia. > > MAPCO : Map And Plan Collection Online > http://archivemaps.com >

On 10/16/2010 05:57 AM, Charani wrote: > Anne Chambers wrote: >> Is there no way you can control who has >> access to your site, either by way of subscription or password >> control or simply by preventing downloads ? I'm sure someone more >> computer-savvy than me can come up with a way of doing that. > I've come across some sites where there's a large "you can't download > this page/image" notice but, in fact, it's impossible to stop anyone > downloading anything from any site. You don't have to be particularly > computer savvy to do it either. > > Watermarking can be a deterent because it can take quite a bit of work > to remove them, more usually than a thief can be bothered with. > > Registering to use the site could result in an innocent party being > blocked from using David's site if one of his maps is misappropriated. > > The majority of internet users are decent honest people but, as in any > walk of life, there's a dishonest minority and there's very little can > be done about them without great, and disproportionate, cost sadly. > And yet Genealogy mailing lists are full of people requesting and receiving freebe lookups!

Absolutely wonderful, David. A real credit to your work. Anne On 10/15/2010 8:57 PM, David Hale (Home) wrote: > Hello All. > > I have just uploaded a third London fire map, entitled: > > A New& Correct Plan Of All The Houses Destroyed And Damaged By The > Fire Which Began In Exchange-Alley, Cornhill, On Friday, March 25th, 1748. > http://archivemaps.com/mapco/cornhill/fire.htm > > I have also revised and improved the 1765 fire map of Bishopsgate, > and linked the two: > > A Plan Of The Great Fire In Bishopsgate Street Leadenhall Street& > Cornhill&c. On Thursday Novr 7th 1765. > http://archivemaps.com/mapco/bishopsgate/fire.htm > > Both of these maps include extensive notes taken from the London > Magazine and Gentleman's Magazine of the time, including the names of > occupants in the area, and notes on some of those killed during the fires. > > The 1748 fire plan article recalls the great fire of 1666, and links > back to this map: > > A Plan of the City and Liberties of London, Shewing the Extent of the > Dreadful Conflagration in the Year 1666. > http://archivemaps.com/mapco/london/1666liberties.htm > > There is a compelling link between these three maps. It is > fascinating to contemplate just how close London may have come to > repeated total catastrophe in 1748 and 1765. > > I hope that you find these items of great historical, and hopefully > for some, genealogical, interest. > > Kind regards, > > David Hale, > Adelaide, > South Australia. > > MAPCO : Map And Plan Collection Online > http://archivemaps.com > > Map of London 1851 > http://london1851.com > > Map of London 1868 > http://london1868.com > > Map Of Dublin 1798 > http://dublin1798.com > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >