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Many thanks again for all the listers who took a look at the 1876 / 77 entry for me. Am very grateful to one and all

Many thanks Nivard and Ingrid. I will have to visit our local LDS office and make the necessary arrangements. Too bad one of their family did not act as witness. Could have opened up some new avenues. Oh well. Thanks again. Phil in Edmonton - Brrr colder today. On 2010-11-15, at 1:37 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote: > The marriage does at least exist > ord 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Phil, This reference is a personal submission - if you contact your local LDS/Mormon Family history Centre with this reference Batch Number: 7622216 Sheet: 35 Source Call No.: 1058612 Also the name of the church - St Mary Whitechapel. . You will be able to order the form that this was submitted on and will give a contact detail of who submitted it. Happy Hunting. Ingrid Billings -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Phil Johnson Sent: 15 November 2010 20:00 To: MIDDLESEX List List Subject: [MDX] GIBBS & SIMPSON I have Thomas GIBBS b 1778 St Mary Whitechapel married to Mary Ann SIMPSON on an IGI entry Batch 7622216. The marriage took place Oct 7, 1807 at St. Leanard, Shorditch. I would like some help (direction) on how I can prove this is the correct marriage for my Thomas. Any help most appreciated. I have a few closer GIBBS names if anyone else is looking. Thanks. Phil ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks for your response Paul P. The clerk must have had a busy day and kept his entries to the minimum..... W

The marriage does at least exist Both of this Parish Bachelor & Spinster By Licence Both made their mark Witnesses Elizabeth Ann HURLOCK (signed) Mary JONES made her mark Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I have Thomas GIBBS b 1778 St Mary Whitechapel married to Mary Ann SIMPSON >on an IGI entry Batch 7622216. The marriage took place Oct 7, 1807 at St. >Leanard, Shorditch. I would like some help (direction) on how I can prove >this is the correct marriage for my Thomas. Any help most appreciated. I >have a few closer GIBBS names if anyone else is looking. > > Thanks. > > Phil

And FreeBMD gives a Birth certificate reference: Birth Mar 1877 Sangster William Frederick Holborn 1b 854 (Don't forget that in these indexes "Mar" means the first quarter of the year - so his birth was registered sometime between Jan 1st 1877 and Mar 31st 1877) -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of J K gen Sent: 14 November 2010 22:47 To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDX] SANGSTER b 20th Nov 1876 the final digit was altered from a 7. JK On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:33 PM, W S <wensroots@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > Could a kind lister take a look at the image shown on Ancestry.co.uk as > below please and hazard a guess as to the month? > The birth appears in the final column and is the 20th of ?????? 1876. > Many thanks in advance. > > Name: William Frederick Sangston Should be SANGSTER > > Record Type: Baptism > > Estimated Birth Date: abt 1877 > Baptism Date: 21 Jan 1877 > Father's name: Henry Sangston > Mother's name: Julia Sangston > Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton St John > Borough: Hackney > > Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint John The Baptist, > Hoxton, Register of baptisms, P91/JNB, Item 014 > > ************************************** > ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have Thomas GIBBS b 1778 St Mary Whitechapel married to Mary Ann SIMPSON on an IGI entry Batch 7622216. The marriage took place Oct 7, 1807 at St. Leanard, Shorditch. I would like some help (direction) on how I can prove this is the correct marriage for my Thomas. Any help most appreciated. I have a few closer GIBBS names if anyone else is looking. Thanks. Phil

Nov(ember) the birth wasn't registered until the March quarter 1877 Anne South Australia W S wrote: > > > Could a kind lister take a look at the image shown on Ancestry.co.uk as > below please and hazard a guess as to the month? > The birth appears in the final column and is the 20th of ?????? 1876. > Many thanks in advance. > > Name: William Frederick Sangston Should be SANGSTER > > Record Type: Baptism > > Estimated Birth Date: abt 1877 > Baptism Date: 21 Jan 1877 > Father's name: Henry Sangston > Mother's name: Julia Sangston > Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton St John > Borough: Hackney > > Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint John The Baptist, > Hoxton, Register of baptisms, P91/JNB, Item 014

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b 20th Nov 1876 the final digit was altered from a 7. JK On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:33 PM, W S <wensroots@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > Could a kind lister take a look at the image shown on Ancestry.co.uk as > below please and hazard a guess as to the month? > The birth appears in the final column and is the 20th of ?????? 1876. > Many thanks in advance. > > Name: William Frederick Sangston Should be SANGSTER > > Record Type: Baptism > > Estimated Birth Date: abt 1877 > Baptism Date: 21 Jan 1877 > Father's name: Henry Sangston > Mother's name: Julia Sangston > Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton St John > Borough: Hackney > > Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint John The Baptist, > Hoxton, Register of baptisms, P91/JNB, Item 014 > > ************************************** >

WS: November. The "N" is unmistakeable, although exactly what letters the scribe intended after that is less than clear. Presumably Nov, and if I look hard I can just about convince myself of it :-)) Paull On 14 November 2010 22:33, W S <wensroots@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > Could a kind lister take a look at the image shown on Ancestry.co.uk as > below please and hazard a guess as to the month? > The birth appears in the final column and is the 20th of ?????? 1876. > Many thanks in advance. > > Name: William Frederick Sangston Should be SANGSTER > > Record Type: Baptism > > Estimated Birth Date: abt 1877 > Baptism Date: 21 Jan 1877 > Father's name: Henry Sangston > Mother's name: Julia Sangston > Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton St John > Borough: Hackney > > Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint John The Baptist, > Hoxton, Register of baptisms, P91/JNB, Item 014 > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Could a kind lister take a look at the image shown on Ancestry.co.uk as below please and hazard a guess as to the month? The birth appears in the final column and is the 20th of ?????? 1876. Many thanks in advance. Name: William Frederick Sangston Should be SANGSTER Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1877 Baptism Date: 21 Jan 1877 Father's name: Henry Sangston Mother's name: Julia Sangston Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton St John Borough: Hackney Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint John The Baptist, Hoxton, Register of baptisms, P91/JNB, Item 014

Hi Martin, and welcome. As brick walls go, this is about as flimsy as it can get. The lad's birth certificate will give you the information you need, though if, as you suspect, he was illegitimate, it won't show his father's name. You have the GRO reference - just make sure you order the cert directly via www.gro.gov.uk, not any of the alternative sources who will charge you more and take longer. If you find the subject of illegitimacy indelicate, then family history may not be the best hobby for you:) I doubt there is anyone on this list who hasn't got at least one ancestor in their tree born on the wrong side of the blanket! Best wishes Caroline > Hello > > I am a new subscriber to this list. I am researching the DORAN family > from > Middlesex, descending from George William DORAN (born 1860 Kilburn) and > Mary > Ann Maria LANE (born 1863 Marylebone), for my uncle in Australia. The > person in question is shown in the 1911 census for George William > DORAN as > his grandson aged 7 months born in Marylebone, London. I have traced > his > emigration to Australia in November 1924 and know of his two marriages > there. However I have hit a brick wall in trying to find out who his > parents are. The only likely candidate begs the indelicate question as > to > whether he was born illegitimately to Rose Violet DORAN also listed on > the > 1911 census, daughter aged 20. Does anyone have any further > information > about Frank George? > > My other surname interests are BISHOP (Margate, Kent), HOLDEN (Margate, > Kent), WILSON (Halifax, Yorkshire), BIRCHENALL (Stockport, Cheshire) > and > JACKSON (Salford, Manchester). > > Best regards > > Martin Bishop (Chorley, Lancashire)

Hi Martin I am not sure its that indelicate a question these days ? What does his birth cert say? Name: Frank G Doran Year of Registration: 1910 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: St Marylebone (1902-1977) County: Greater London, London Volume: 1a Page: 496 Does not one or other marriage give his parents ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello > > I am a new subscriber to this list. I am researching the DORAN family > from > Middlesex, descending from George William DORAN (born 1860 Kilburn) and > Mary > Ann Maria LANE (born 1863 Marylebone), for my uncle in Australia. The > person in question is shown in the 1911 census for George William DORAN > as > his grandson aged 7 months born in Marylebone, London. I have traced his > emigration to Australia in November 1924 and know of his two marriages > there. However I have hit a brick wall in trying to find out who his > parents are. The only likely candidate begs the indelicate question as to > whether he was born illegitimately to Rose Violet DORAN also listed on the > 1911 census, daughter aged 20. Does anyone have any further information > about Frank George? > Best regards > > Martin Bishop (Chorley, Lancashire)

Hello I am a new subscriber to this list. I am researching the DORAN family from Middlesex, descending from George William DORAN (born 1860 Kilburn) and Mary Ann Maria LANE (born 1863 Marylebone), for my uncle in Australia. The person in question is shown in the 1911 census for George William DORAN as his grandson aged 7 months born in Marylebone, London. I have traced his emigration to Australia in November 1924 and know of his two marriages there. However I have hit a brick wall in trying to find out who his parents are. The only likely candidate begs the indelicate question as to whether he was born illegitimately to Rose Violet DORAN also listed on the 1911 census, daughter aged 20. Does anyone have any further information about Frank George? My other surname interests are BISHOP (Margate, Kent), HOLDEN (Margate, Kent), WILSON (Halifax, Yorkshire), BIRCHENALL (Stockport, Cheshire) and JACKSON (Salford, Manchester). Best regards Martin Bishop (Chorley, Lancashire)

Bancroft Library (Tower Hamlets Local History Library and Archives) building will not reopen to the public until the new year. Unforeseen delays have been experienced in the Phase 1 essential health & safety works currently under way. The relocation of stock within the building, cleaning of the collection storage areas and reconfiguration of the reading room is also likely to take longer than planned. They apologise for the inconvenience this extended closure will cause to their users and expect to re-open in mid-January 2011. They continue to offer a limited remote enquiry service by phone and email during the closure - call 020 7364 1290 or email localhistory@towerhamlets.gov.uk . Ann Middx Admin

Any lister with links/knowledge of Frederick J. Allen. M. Bessie Rosina Batty, Poplar,. 1929 ? ex Free BMD's. Les H, Napier, NZ.

It's his address - Ratc. - the entry before has 'of MEOT' i.e. Mile End Old Town, others are 'of Poplar' This is Ratcliff. Anne South Australia April Moran wrote: > Thanks Judy, here goes: > > My original query was this, On a baptism image, the words 'of Rate' were > written after the fathers name but before his occupation, can any one tell > me what this means? - > > I have been looking for a John Wilkinson b.1764 on the Ancestry site, this > is what I found: > Name: John Wilkinson - baptism date: 9th March 1764, parish: St.Dunstans and > All Saints, County: Middlesex, Borough: Tower Hamlets, Parents: Philip > Wilkinson, Eliz Wilkinson > > On the image itself it states: > John son of Philip Wilkinson. of Rate~ Mercer& Eliz~. > > I have since found a couple of Burials with this wording, one gives the > person's name then wording 'of Rate' the other gives the person's name and > then the wording 'from Rate', which leads me to think that this wording > could mean the area where they are living? > If so, where is Rate, or is this a shortened version? > > Whilst I have been writing this and looking at the image, I have just > thought - Could this wording be a shortened version of Ratcliffe? > > Pleased to here any ideas any one may have, > April > > >> April, it's quite difficult for anyone to help without seeing the >> context of your query. >> >> If it is an online image (e.g. from Ancestry), please post some details >> -- parish, date, name. That way other people can look it and may be able >> to help. >> I have another query for you knowledgeable people: >> On a baptism image, the words "of rate" were written after the fathers >> name but before his occupation, can any one please tell me what this >> means? >> >> many thanks - April >> > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Well, by a unanimous decision, I think the Baptism query has been solved :) My thanks to Judy, Anne, JH & Eve for their very welcome input and backup - (knew I could count on the knowledgeable people on this list!!) April