I thought they were destroyed in the Four Courts during the Civil War in 1922. One story is that the volumes were used to pile against the windows as defence against bullets. Here's some informations: http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Irish-census.html - sounds as if there are several reasons why they didn't survive! Jeanette >> That is where I got the information that the census was not >> available until 1901 as most were destroyed. > > They were destroyed because the instructions stated they weren't to be > made available to the "idle curious" - or so the story goes. > >> Unable to determine if Thomas and Catherine Hyland were his >> parents. > > You may never be able to. I've had to give up on two Irish born > ancestors. I know the father of one but not the mother. The other > one ought to have been easier but wasn't. Both were from Co Cork. > That's as much as I know and, short of a miracle, is likely to be all > I'll know. > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From Daily Post ( London, England ), Tuesday, December 14, 1736; Issue 5384. On Saturday Night about Nine, an authorititave Rap at the Doop of the Bishop of London's House, was left a Male Child, in the Porch, neatly dress'd, with a Paper expressing thus: John is my Name, old half a Year; Pray take me in, my Dad lives near. With a warm and pathetick Recommendation to the Protestant Monastery of Singles: The Foundling was afterwards put into the faithful, diligent, and wise Hands of the Church Warden's of Aldergate Parish.

My ancestors, borthers- Thomas, John and William INKS were transported to America (to Maryland, ending up in Pennsylvania) from Middlesex in 1766, via the convict ships HMS Tryal and Justitia. I am unable to track any information on their parents or family. Can anyone please find records of birth listings, parentage, siblings, etc? thanks, Ed Inks California

Coleen Coleman wrote: > Yes I have tried several like: IRELAND- ROOTS@rootsweb.com > IRELAND@rootsweb.com IRELAND-GENWEB@rootsweb.com Try: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Newsgroup_Gateways/GENIRE.html http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Newsgroup_Gateways/GENBRIT.html > That is where I got the information that the census was not > available until 1901 as most were destroyed. They were destroyed because the instructions stated they weren't to be made available to the "idle curious" - or so the story goes. > Unable to determine if Thomas and Catherine Hyland were his > parents. You may never be able to. I've had to give up on two Irish born ancestors. I know the father of one but not the mother. The other one ought to have been easier but wasn't. Both were from Co Cork. That's as much as I know and, short of a miracle, is likely to be all I'll know. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Coleen Coleman wrote: > I know that from an article my dads' Great Aunt wrote that they > were residing in IL near Bloomington McLean Co IL 1860ish as they > had a daughter Elizabeth born IL? or? Other children Katherine, > Mary (my great-grandmother), James, Patrick and Thomas. Later Mary > and John were in Woodson Co KS USA. Whilst most people are probably familiar enought with the abbreviations for American States, please put the states in full because not everyone will be as familiar with American geography as you are. I'm guessing IL is Illinois? And KS is Kansas? > I had heard that if they were from 2 different backgrounds > Protestant and Catholic that they could Not have been married in > the Catholic Church. They could have done if the Protestant party converted to Catholicism. > But apparently I am mistaken on this as the certificate of marriage > states married at the Catholic Church. That suggests both parties were Catholic at the time of their marriage or professed to be. > The obits/wills would be for the parents John Dwyer and Thomas & > Catherine Hyland. As Nivard said, there is unlikely to be an obit. Obits aren't the norm over here unless the deceased was a local worthy or one of the rich and famous. If the deceased wasn't, the family would have had to have been paid for an obit. They would also have had to pay for a death notice. There might be a will. Anyone could make one but it would depend whether they could afford a lawyer to draw one up. You could try the London Metropolitan Archives (LMA) to see if they have anything. > Unfortunately no census for Ireland until 1901 so am unable to find > Johns' exact place of birth and have attempted to post to boards > for Scotland and NO responsesto my request for lookups for a John > Dwyer with a daughter Mary age 8 (1841) and 18 (1851). If John was from Ireland, you wouldn't have got a response from the Scottish boards - or do you mean lists? Rootsweb have both message boards and mailing lists but they are different. Since you didn't get a response, your people of interest are unlikely to have been there. Have your tried the Irish lists and/or boards? -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Hi Coleen I do not see either of your names with their parents in 1841 or 1851 I see John & Mary HYLAND in 1861, John is enumerated as born Ireland but his wife Mary and Johns sister Bridget have no birthplace shown, you might assume they were all born in Ireland? Unless you have more information you have not posted Your last request makes me think you are under the impression that English death certificates give more information than they in fact do There would be no mention of parents, spouse or children unless one of them registered the death For information on what you might find on an English certificate see :- http://www.dixons.clara.co.uk/Certificates/indexbd.htm As to Obits , unless they were very well to do (1861 suggests otherwise) they would be highly unlikely to have an Obit (I would say the chances are nil) there might have been a funeral notice in the papers if there were enough people to tell to warrant placing the notice, chances are slightly higher than nil but only just Is it not possible both came over from Ireland just after 1851? And that their parents were in Ireland and most likely died there? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Looking for census pages for 1841 and > 1851 HYLAND, Thomas & Catherine, son > John age 8 (1841) and 18 (1851), > > DWYER, John spouse unk, daughter Mary > age 8 (1841) and 18 (1851). > Anyone in the Middlesex area that can look up this for me or can make a > trip to > the Catholic Church in the District of > Stepney and Co of Middlesex to see if there are any further records on > these > families. > > had been said that John was Irish Catholic and Mary was of a Protestant > family but they would not have been married in the Catholic Church as it > states > on the record of the marriage which took > place 18 may 1853 recorded June quarter > of the year 1853. > > Residence at the time of the marriage for > both of these were School House Lam? > Ratcliff and for him was floor (written above the (#3) Floor House _iddr > Ratcliff. > Thanks so much for your help with this. > Also would be nice to get a copy of a > death record for Thomas Hyland and John > Dwyer to see if there were other children > for either of them and who John Dwyers' > spouse was. Obits would be nice as well. > I can pay in US dollars in an International > Postal Money Order

Can you send the information on John and Mary 1861 as they were residing in Illinois circa 1860/61 then into Kansas circa 1870/1871. Thanks Nivard in Cornwall from Coleen in the USA

>From The Morning Chronicle ( London, England ), Monday, December 2, 1861; Issue 29609. ACCIDENT TO MAIL CART. - On Friday night about six o'clock, as the mail cart from Charing-cross branch was proceeding to St. Martin's - Le- Grand, the horse broke from the harness while opposite the pit entrance of the Lyceum, and threw the driver and the postman into the street, injuring both of them. The horse then dashed against a Brompton omnibus, the pole catching him in the chest, and inflicting a frightful wound. The horse and cart belong to Mr. ABBOTT, the contractor, of Jockey's-fields, Bedford-row.

>From London Evening Post ( London, England ), June 3, 1738 - June 6, 1738; Issue 1647. Yesterday died of a Consumption at Little Holland-House near Kensington, Mr. William COSTAR, a noted Farmer, and one of the People call'd Quakers.

A most strange newspaper report ! >From Read's Weekly Journal or British Gazetteer ( London, England ), Saturday, August 25, 1750; Issue 1357. Mrs. KEITH's Corpse was removed from her Husband's House in May Fair the Middle of October last, to an Apothecary's in South Audley Street, where she lies in a Room hung with Mourning, and is to continue there till Mr. KEITH can attend her Funeral.

Yes I have tried several like: IRELAND- ROOTS@rootsweb.com IRELAND@rootsweb.com IRELAND-GENWEB@rootsweb.com That is where I got the information that the census was not available until 1901 as most were destroyed. Unable to determine if Thomas and Catherine Hyland were his parents.

Yes I am sorry IL=illinois and KS=Kansas both here in the US

I know that from an article my dads' Great Aunt wrote that they were residing in IL near Bloomington McLean Co IL 1860ish as they had a daughter Elizabeth born IL? or? Other children Katherine, Mary (my great-grandmother), James, Patrick and Thomas. Later Mary and John were in Woodson Co KS USA. I had heard that if they were from 2 different backgrounds Protestant and Catholic that they could Not have been married in the Catholic Church. But apparently I am mistaken on this as the certificate of marriage states married at the Catholic Church. The obits/wills would be for the parents John Dwyer and Thomas & Catherine Hyland. Unfortunately no census for Ireland until 1901 so am unable to find Johns' exact place of birth and have attempted to post to boards for Scotland and NO responsesto my request for lookups for a John Dwyer with a daughter Mary age 8 (1841) and 18 (1851).

Looking for census pages for 1841 and 1851 HYLAND, Thomas & Catherine, son John age 8 (1841) and 18 (1851), DWYER, John spouse unk, daughter Mary age 8 (1841) and 18 (1851). Anyone in the Middlesex area that can look up this for me or can make a trip to the Catholic Church in the District of Stepney and Co of Middlesex to see if there are any further records on these families. had been said that John was Irish Catholic and Mary was of a Protestant family but they would not have been married in the Catholic Church as it states on the record of the marriage which took place 18 may 1853 recorded June quarter of the year 1853. Residence at the time of the marriage for both of these were School House Lam? Ratcliff and for him was floor (written above the (#3) Floor House _iddr Ratcliff. Thanks so much for your help with this. Also would be nice to get a copy of a death record for Thomas Hyland and John Dwyer to see if there were other children for either of them and who John Dwyers' spouse was. Obits would be nice as well. I can pay in US dollars in an International Postal Money Order

At Ratcliff (which is in the Stepney registration district) in 1851 there is a John Dwyer aged 55 born Ireland, and Mary Dwyer aged 23 also born Ireland. They are father in law and sister in law to head of house, thomas Smith aged 33 born Ireland. His wife Ellen aged 24 is also born Ireland. I know the age isn't quite what you were looking for, but the area is correct, Stepney, and her father is John, so I thought it could be worth investigating? Regards, Jon

Thanks this may be the break I am looking for. Thanks everyone you are all too cool. Stay warm 8 above fahrenheit here in WY USA

John Hyland married Mary Dwyer June quarter of the year 1853 District of Stepney Co of Middlesex. The actual marriage record states married 18 May 1853 Catholic Church. Witnesses Thomas & Catherine Hyland (parents)? & John Dwyer (father of the bride)? Was thought John was originally from Ireland and Mary born Scotland and were of (2) two different backgrounds, her being Protestant and he being Irish Catholic. Would it be possible to get an 1841 & 1851 Census Check of these two young people both ages 20 on the record in question. Also would it be possible to have a records check of Church documents to see if there were siblings baptized in the same Church? I can pay for your time and copies + postage. I live in the US.

I am looking for information on the INKS family genealogy of Middlesex. I have been able to track information on my direct ancestor, Thomas Inks (spelled Hinkes, on the ships manifest). He was sentenced to transportation to the colonies - Maryland and Virginia in October 1766 and transported January 1767 on the convict ship “Tyral” from Middlesex. His brothers, John and William Inks were sentenced to transportation also in 1766 at the Middlesex Quarter sessions. Any information would be greatly appreciated, ED Inks

I'm trying to find any possible descendants of the above couple. Benjamin James Newson was Born In Walton, Suffolk early 1861. He married Sarah Edith Fuller in the Wandsworth District of London in 1889. My records show they had 3 male descendants: Benjamin Samuel NEWSON Born 17 Feb 1892 in Trimley St Martin (or possibly Felixstowe, Suffolk) Alec George NEWSON Born about 1893 in the same area Alic or alex Samuel NEWSON born about 1895 again same area. In the 1911 census Sarah Edith Newson ( nee Fuller) was still living in Islington where the family had moved from Suffolk. Of the sons of Benjamin James Newson and Sarah Edith Fuller I now have to guess and this is why I am posting here: >From what information I am able to obtain, the second son: Alec George NEWSON possibly married Isabelle Winifrede BAYNE. This was in 1917. He then appernetly went on to marry a second wife Winifred E NAISH in 1923. The third son, Alic Samuel NEWSON appears to have married a Minnie E PLUMMER in 1919. As to the eldest son...I have no information Hopefully someone who is descended on this family line will make contact with me. It it a long shot but I'm now running out of NEWSON relatives. If anyone knows anything or anyone that can help I would love to hear any information. Best wishes Pete

>From Times ( London, England ), Tuesday, July 29, 1794; Issue 3053. MARRIED. On Saturday evening, by Special Licence, at his villa at Stamford-hill, John BOIS , Esq., to the elegant and accomplished Miss Sophia Clementina TOWSEY , of Shacklewell.