Hello MAPCO Users. I just wanted to take this opportunity to thank you for your support throughout 2010, and to wish you all the very best for a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! I look forward to providing you with more high quality online maps in 2011. Here is a summary of new maps and updates from 2010: http://archivemaps.com/mapco/news.htm#2010 Do take a look at what has been achieved throughout the year. It has been a very London-centric year, with 29 new London maps displayed, with a further 3 London maps already on display being completely revised and improved. The most significant additions to the site this year, and the ones that I am particularly proud of, are the 1864 and 1878 editions of Stanford's Library Map of London and its Suburbs: Stanford's Library Map Of London And Its Suburbs 1864 @ http://london1864.com Stanford's Geological Library Map Of London And Its Suburbs 1878 @ http://london1878.com Do take a look at these, and at all of the other wonderful 2010 additions to the site. If I had to pick just one particular favourite image, it would be the enlarged image of the Crystal Palace from Stanford's 1864 London Library map: http://london1864.com/stanford77b.htm It is stunning!! Enjoy this summary. There are better things to come in 2011! Best wishes, David Hale, Adelaide, South Australia. MAPCO : Map And Plan Collection Online http://archivemaps.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

On 24/12/2010 12:00, David Hale (Home) wrote: > It is stunning!! I think this sums up David's whole site - and his contribution to us all. Many thanks, and may 2011 be a good year too. Michael Walsby

Hi Everyone, My mind is still reeling at the amount of replies to my original email to the seven lists I regularly belong to. There were well over 170 replies and about 85% or more felt eager enough to try something similar for themselves. To those who replied off-list (everyone was being very good by not cluttering up the list/s) and wanted a copy let me say, thank you for making me feel useful. If I pop off the planet tomorrow it will be with satisfaction that I have done something creative for others. Some of the replies were quite interesting and fulfilling in their detail and I will try to answer those ones individually over the holiday period, but yes, it has certainly been an eye-opener for me. Everyone should have received their copies by now, if not, let me know. Merry Christmas all! =D> Let's crumble down a few more brickwalls next year! Cheers Graham

Thanks for that. It now give me parents for our Martha. Cheers and Merry Christmas. Pat

Hello All. Work on MAPCO's second copy of Stanford's huge and highly detailed Library Map of London is now complete. The map (with its own domain) is : Stanford's Library Map Of London And Its Suburbs 1864; Showing All The Proposed Metropolitan Railways and Improvements. http://london1864.com It is also accessible through the London Map page at the MAPCO website: http://archivemaps.com This is a very large scale and highly detailed map of London, with proposed Metropolitan railway lines and improvements overlaid in various colours, numbered. The enlarged images ('click-to-enlarge') for this map are truly stunning. This is the second of MAPCO's copies of Stanford's Library Map of London to be displayed. The railway overlay makes this a unique, fascinating, and rare map, of interest to family historians, local historians, and railway enthusiasts. Enjoy this unique, high quality map of London. Later copies of Stanford's Library Map Of London And Its Suburbs from 1873 and 1897 will be on display in 2011. Kind regards, David Hale, Adelaide, South Australia. MAPCO : Map And Plan Collection Online http://archivemaps.com Stanford's Library Map Of London And Its Suburbs 1864 http://london1864.com Stanford's Geological Library Map Of London 1878 http://london1878.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Is there an index or a key to the place names on this map? -----Original Message----- From: David Hale (Home) <dwhale@internode.on.net> To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, Dec 22, 2010 12:51 pm Subject: [MDX] MAPCO Update : Huge Map Of London 1864 Online! Hello All. Work on MAPCO's second copy of Stanford's huge and highly detailed Library Map of London is now complete. The map (with its own domain) is : Stanford's Library Map Of London And Its Suburbs 1864; Showing All The Proposed Metropolitan Railways and Improvements. http://london1864.com It is also accessible through the London Map page at the MAPCO website: http://archivemaps.com This is a very large scale and highly detailed map of London, with proposed Metropolitan railway lines and improvements overlaid in various colours, numbered. The enlarged images ('click-to-enlarge') for this map are truly stunning. This is the second of MAPCO's copies of Stanford's Library Map of London to be displayed. The railway overlay makes this a unique, fascinating, and rare map, of interest to family historians, local historians, and railway enthusiasts. Enjoy this unique, high quality map of London. Later copies of Stanford's Library Map Of London And Its Suburbs from 1873 and 1897 will be on display in 2011. Kind regards, David Hale, Adelaide, South Australia. MAPCO : Map And Plan Collection Online http://archivemaps.com Stanford's Library Map Of London And Its Suburbs 1864 http://london1864.com Stanford's Geological Library Map Of London 1878 http://london1878.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ancestry has (from LMA records) St James Clerkenwell Born 30 Aug 1795 Martha of William & Charlotte Whitworth baptised September 24 1795 Predictably for the period there is no further information from this event, and that would appear to be the only child of these parents. Cannot track a marriage for these parents. Not on London Ancestry, nor LDS. JK On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Pat Rawlings <jessie@satlink.com.au>wrote: > I am trying to trace Martha Whitworth back a bit further into her past. > Her > father was William Whitworth (gentleman) and she was born in Middlesex abt > 1795. She married James Guest at Hornsey Rise, Islington, Middlesex in > 1822. she is reputed to be first cousin to Lord someone and there is > crockery that has been passed down with the crest that was given to her as > a > wedding gift. The family, again only reputedly, built or bought Frome > House > in Sevenoaks. She moved to Scotland back to her husbands area and her > father died in Birmingham in the 1840's after living with the family. Hope > that someone can help although there is not much to go on. Cheers from > Australia. Pat > >

I am trying to trace Martha Whitworth back a bit further into her past. Her father was William Whitworth (gentleman) and she was born in Middlesex abt 1795. She married James Guest at Hornsey Rise, Islington, Middlesex in 1822. she is reputed to be first cousin to Lord someone and there is crockery that has been passed down with the crest that was given to her as a wedding gift. The family, again only reputedly, built or bought Frome House in Sevenoaks. She moved to Scotland back to her husbands area and her father died in Birmingham in the 1840's after living with the family. Hope that someone can help although there is not much to go on. Cheers from Australia. Pat

Jane, Tower Hamlets online BMD index shows a marriage of John KNOWLES and *Elizabeth* WEST at Stepney Register Office in 1849. http://www.thbmd.co.uk/index.php The GRO index, and FreeBMD's transcription of it, have the bride as Esther WEST. So it would appear that there has been an indexing error by one office or the other. As this was a civil ceremony at a register office, I'm afraid no-one will have access to the details, and you would have to order the certificate. HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Moelwyn-Hughes Has anyone access to a marriage record registered in Stepney Mar Q 1849 between a JOHN KNOWLES and an ESTHER WEST. I would love to know their father's names Sadly it is not yet on Ancestry Many thanks Jane

Has anyone access to a marriage record registered in Stepney Mar Q 1849 between a JOHN KNOWLES and an ESTHER WEST. I would love to know their father's names Sadly it is not yet on Ancestry Many thanks Jane

Checked Esther West w/spouse John Knowles and a John Knowles w/spouse Esther West nothing found using that search criteria on Rootswebs World Connect. May need someone with Ancestry.Com or Heritage Quest for this one. Happy Holidays from WYOMING USA

Just to clarify, the church registers for Church of England parishes held at the London Metropolitan Archives *are* available via Ancestry. Marriage register entries from 1 July 1837 onwards are identical to the civil registration certificates available via the GRO, so if a marriage took place between that date and 1921, in the Established Church, then one can often bypass the certificate purchasing route. But this does not apply to marriages in other faiths and denominations, nor to civil marriages (which became more and more popular towards the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th centuries), or to those which took place in parishes whose registers are not held by the LMA (such as the City of Westminster). Church records of baptisms and burials, however, are very poor substitutes for civil registration certificates. A large minority of children were not baptised at all, and baptism registers (except in a very few cases) do not provide mothers' maiden names. Burials are even less helpful, as the London church yards were closed in the mid 19th century, after which most people in the metropolis were buried in out of town private or municipal cemeteries. The LMA has only very limited holdings of cemetery records. Hope this helps Caroline > > BTW I have long understood about certain info being available only > from the certs, but occasionally, I've found that there are a few on > these lists who actually seem to have access to the registers. It's > happened three times over the past 12 years. Always off list. So, no > harm in asking. > > MEJ in Calif >

Thanks to all who responded -- another example of keeping me on the straight and narrow. You all are really a great help. BTW I have long understood about certain info being available only from the certs, but occasionally, I've found that there are a few on these lists who actually seem to have access to the registers. It's happened three times over the past 12 years. Always off list. So, no harm in asking. MEJ in Calif

eve@varneys.org.uk > > You may also find a marriage of an Emily Georgina BROWN to Carl H. J. > Lange. I'd appreciate knowing if the birth date of EGB in this > marriage matches the birth date of Emily in the CWM-EGB marriage in > 1899, There is no information about dates of birth in the indexes of marriages on line (or elsewhere). \normally, you have to buy the certificate, which will state her age (and even that may be what she said, rather than what is accurate, if she was covering up anything. Only if you are lucky and tap into one of the few on line listings from actual registers will you get the age included. As she was widowed from Chas. MALLETT in 1905, she would > probably have still been in her 20's. In the case of a second marriage of a widow, she would remarry as Mallet, not Borwn. However, some later indexes (not all) do duplicate an entry with the actual maiden name, if this was a period when the official indexers studied 'ma,e of father' and used both surnames if they were different. EVE Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society

Hi Everyone! I've never seen anything like it! In all my 16 years or so in family history research on many lists there has not been such a response. I have turned to bulk mailing of my little rag Genetree out to you folk (should have thought of it earlier) but the interesting thing is the feedback. Seems lots and lots of genie researchers want to do the same and hope to put out a regular newsletter/journal but are hesitant as how to commence. What I have received OFF-LIST (and fair enough, no need to clutter up the list with messages back and forth) has been mind boggling. Everyone, it seems, has come out of the woodwork with their requests. My Sunday has been taken up with replying and why not? We are here for each other. Well, I suppose I am hooked upon word processing publications but all you really need is Microsoft Word to do what you wish. Nice to have the benefits of word processors etc. but not entirely necessary. Start simple, you can become more creative as time goes on. A page or two with some photos (both old and new) is a good way to begin. Many of us have 18th and 19th century photos and a willingness to share. What better way to do this than with a regular newsletter? Don't loose all your cookies at once though -- keep some for future issues. As you become more proficient you may see the need to invest in a good desk top publishing programme and MS Publisher may be all that you need. There are other commercial products out there and I have been using Art Explosion Publisher Pro for many years now as it also gives me the ability to produce a website, but I wonder about upgrading to Windows 7 when it becomes necessary as so far PP has not been upgraded. Stops at XP. Anyway that is something to be addressed in the future. A good laser printer, simply black and white, is useful for printing out copies for those rels who wish to receive it not online e.g. electronically. I have found the Brother series, especially the recent 2140 model to be very cheap and gives excellent performance and you can recycle the cartridges. You can print 50 copies or so of 18 pages in one go though perhaps to give it a break it might be better to cut it down to 20 copies at a time, allowing it to cool. You can print the odd pages first and then pop them back into the printer and print off the even pages so what appears then is a magazine format. Simply collate them by hand and staple them on the left side of the page with three well spaced staples. Of course, anyone with a heat binding machine may do an even better job of binding the pages. All this can give you great satisfaction. So, what is stopping you? Anyone who has not yet asked for a copy of Genetree, please feel free to ask off-list. Nothing marvellous but it might help you get started. Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz

I'm afraid no-one can look up details of births and deaths from civil registration records. There's no public access to this information. You need to buy the certificates, first locating the relevant index reference either from FreeBMD or from a paysite. Here's the second marriage you refer to, from the London parish registers database ... 5 June 1897 St Andrew, Wells Street, Marylebone Carl Henry James Lange, 22, bachelor, bag frame maker, 68 Newman Street. Father - Carl Henry James Lange, bag frame maker. Emily Georgina Brown, 23, spinster, 68 Newman Street. Father - Edward Brown, porter After banns Witnesses - Karl? Fredrick August Lange, Edward Brown HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Elliot-Jones Hello List, May I have a lookup? I am trying to locate the DOB & POB of Emily Georgina BROWN who married Charles William MALLETT. A marriage in Hampstead OctQ 1899 looks right. Charles appears to have died in Yorkshire in 1905. The index entry is: 1905 Oct Q, Knaresbrorough 9a 77. A lookup of DOD & POD for Emily would also be helpful. You may also find a marriage of an Emily Georgina BROWN to Carl H. J. Lange. I'd appreciate knowing if the birth date of EGB in this marriage matches the birth date of Emily in the CWM-EGB marriage in 1899, As she was widowed from Chas. MALLETT in 1905, she would probably have still been in her 20's. And in the pics I have of her, her appearance shows she would have had no trouble attracting a new husband. She was my mother's favorite aunt -- Aunt Emmy.. Thanks Mike in Calif.

Hi Mike, The Emily who married Charles William Mallett was Emily Carter. In 1901c Charles Mallet and Emily 28/26 were living 16 Sunningfield Crescent Hendon both born St. John s Wood. He was a window blind manufacturer. In the 1911c Emily is a widow born again in St. Johns Wood living with her parents as a daughter and they were William Carter and Elizabeth. There is a marriage of Charles William Mallett to Emily carter Hampsted 1899 Dec Q. I cannot find an Emily marrying a Carle Lange from 1910 to 1930 and in the 1911c Carl Henry James Lange is 35 gen labourer living with him widowed mother in Marylebone. At no time does Emily Carter carry the middle name Georgina. Hope this helps Regards Daphne In a message dated 19/12/2010 GMT Standard Time, mfej@bala-econ.com writes: Hello List, May I have a lookup? I am trying to locate the DOB & POB of Emily Georgina BROWN who married Charles William MALLETT. A marriage in Hampstead OctQ 1899 looks right. Charles appears to have died in Yorkshire in 1905. The index entry is: 1905 Oct Q, Knaresbrorough 9a 77. A lookup of DOD & POD for Emily would also be helpful. You may also find a marriage of an Emily Georgina BROWN to Carl H. J. Lange. I'd appreciate knowing if the birth date of EGB in this marriage matches the birth date of Emily in the CWM-EGB marriage in 1899, As she was widowed from Chas. MALLETT in 1905, she would probably have still been in her 20's. And in the pics I have of her, her appearance shows she would have had no trouble attracting a new husband. She was my mother's favorite aunt -- Aunt Emmy.. Thanks Mike in Calif. ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers, I have managed to trace Charles Herbert LONG and family as far as the 1911 Census, then I cannot find any traces of the family. I have Used FreeBMD to search for marriages of his 2 children (to many hits for conclusive finds) and deaths of any member of the family, to no avail. There is also a family story, but I cannot verify it in court records or the papers. The fate Of Charles and family remains a great mystery so far. Any leads or clues about his occupation would help considerably as a starting block. Charles Herbert LONG was born in Jun 1884 in Spalding, Lincs. He appeared in the census in 1901, when he was a Haberdashery apprentice. He was Head of household at 48, Mablethorpe Road, Fullham, London in 1911. His occupation then was a County court baliff. To the family, he was also known as Bert. There is a family tale that he took his boat to Dunkirk, along with the family silver. ( Information word of mouth from my late aunt Marian Jane Long to both my brother and I. I also recall how Marian told us this story with her mischievous relish!) Charles Herbert LONG and Lilian Kathleen "Kathleen Lilham" HAYTE(O)R were married about 1909 in Chelsea. Lilian Kathleen "Kathleen Lilham" HAYTE(O)R was born on 1 Jan 1888 in Barnet. Charles Herbert LONG and Lilian Kathleen (also recorded as"Kathleen Lilham") HAYTE(O)R had the following children: i. Herbert Cecil LONG was born in Sep 1909 in Fulham, London. ii. Kathleen R LONG was born in Sep 1914 in Fulham. That's about it. With Season's Greetings to one and all. -- Richard Brown Bromley, Kent U.K.

Dear Graham, Yes it's a great idea. I too have been producing a family newsletter - the title is "The Long Brown Study" which is a play on my paternal and maternal surnames. I started off in 1999 with 2 newsletters per year until 2000. I then went down to 1 Christmas edition per year plus, in one year, a special which concentrated on one significant ancestor. My circulation list is far more limited than yours - about 36 people. At first, I sent the majority of newsletters out by post. Over the years, I have migrated increasingly to emailed newsletters. This year, for the first time, the newsletter will be sent out entirely by email, apart from 3 or so posted to those who don't use a computer. I retired this year, yet the newsletter is going out later than expected! I suppose the fact that clock watching has become less of an obsession plays a significant part in this. However, I should get the newsletter out by Christmas Eve, and with the posted versions as new year presents, provided the Mail is working in these wintry conditions. Like you, I use a desk top publishing programme. I don't use Publisher as I think it expensive. I use a major competitor's product and love it. The programme can produce pdf's of my efforts which is mighty handy. On that note, may I wish one and all on this list A Merry Christmas (Enjoy the reality aspect of the Christmas cards) and a Happy New Year. Richard Brown Bromley, Kent UK > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 19:20:55 +1100 > From: Graham Price <genetree@tpg.com.au> > Subject: [MDX] Private Family History publications > > Dear All > > I have been publishing via black & white print and mail out and recently also colour PDF my little family history journal Genetree since 1976 - usually about 20 pages, but this December 2010 issue only 16 - must be slowing down, eh? :-|.  Anyway, it has always gone out about three times per year to family and friends, about 85 copies, generally 3000kb PDF which downloads on broadband in a few seconds - much slower on dial up, natch. > > Anyway, I thought, why keep this to myself and the close family? There is nothing commercial in this, simply a private journal or newsletter which has been going on all these years which I originally thought would run out within a couple of years given limited research facilities, but no, it keeps on. Amazing that - research never seems to stop no matter how many brick walls are out there. > > The only reason -- apart from trying not to be selfish -- I am putting this on the list is so that others may get the bug and perhaps do the same for their own family history. It is a real thrill to see your own publication finally printed off or sent online to rels and other interested parties.  I always keep copies and master copies printed off and also ensure that CD/DVD copies are kept as well. Genetree also goes to a few libraries around the world, so it's history with photos shall be kept safe and secure. > > So, if you are a little creative and have some spare time why not do the same? Why not surprise your relatives and other close folk with a little publication of your own. All you need is a desk top publishing programme or you can use Microsoft Works or Microsoft Publisher if you have the funds to extend to that. MS Word may be all you need although some other products give you further ease of publication.  And there is lots of help out there on the internet showing you how to design and print off your publication. For me it is thrilling, hope so for you too if you get the bug to do it. > > A little warning. It is some work and you may find it taking up more of your time than you expected, but in my mind it is well worth it in terms of satisfaction. Try it out. You have nothing to lose except some of your missing brick wall ancestors! Email me OFF-LIST for a recent copy of Genetree. > > Good luck > Graham > Melbourne > Oz --------------------- Richard Brown Bromley, Kent U.K.

>From Oracle and Daily Advertiser ( London, England ), Monday, October 29, 1798; Issue 21804. MARRIED. Wednesday last, at Greenwich, Mr. John PYCROFT, of Homerton, to Miss RAYLEY, of the Crescent, Greenwich.