There are marriages for Limehouse from 1730. I have transcribed them so far in two batches 1730-54 and 1754-71, as part of an ongoing programme of indexing registers not included in Boyd's Marriage Index. 1754-71 is already available on the Origins site, 1730-54 will be included in my next release. I will also be adding these to the Find My Past site shortly. Regards Cliff Webb

Hi Diane I suspect you are looking in the wrong place thats all Select the database entitled London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812 Select Tower Hamlets then St Anne, Limehouse where you will find said marriages under 1730 - 1751 page 1 are for marriages 1730 but they may be scattered through the pages or all together, it varies The reason you can't find them transcribed is that the marriages does not cover that period (yet) Its entitled London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) Although Ancestry has the baptism and burial registers on line for St Anne´s Limehouse from 1730, there don´t seem to be any marriages for that period and parish. I´ve looked up the LMA holdings and there should be marriages from 1730 onwards. Does anyone know why Ancestry doesn´t include them. Thanks Diane

On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 08:49:17 -0500 (EST) user917826@aol.com wrote: Hello user917826@aol.com, > On the subject of registers.... I recently ordered a birth record for > the year of 1839. I was sent a record for someone of the same name > born in 1841. Will the GRO correct this? I emailed them immediately It's possible that the error is that the year 1841 has been entered on the cert by mistake rather than the wrong cert being sent. Either way, it's wrong, so they should replace the cert. However, to get a response from them you *must* include GQ in the Subject: header of the email you send them, otherwise no email is sent to you, even though action is taken. It could be a while since you're overseas and they've had a Christmas break, and will be a bit behind. > but have had no answer. Am I going to have to place an international > call? Almost certainly not. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Two sides to every story Public Image - Public Image Ltd

Nivard Ovington wrote: > A couple of comments Charani Thank you for those comments :)) I can't access any of the library databases from home anyway so what I said was based on what others have said and I did say *may* :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

user917826@aol.com wrote: > On the subject of registers.... I recently ordered a birth record > for the year of 1839. I was sent a record for someone of the same > name born in 1841. Will the GRO correct this? I emailed them > immediately but have had no answer. Am I going to have to place an > international call? Did you put GQ in the subject line? You need to do this in order to get a personal response. If you didn't, that may be the reason you haven't had a reply but the GRO is a government department so they may well have been closed from Christmas Eve until yesterday (Tuesday). If your order and the confirmation were correct, then, yes, the GRO will send the correct one but you will have to return the incorrect one. You shouldn't need to phone. I was able to get a wrong cert they'd send me dealt with by email only. They will only do this if the mistake is theirs and not for one made by the applicant :)) In the interim, I'd suggest putting the details of the wrong cert onto FreeBMD as a postem. If you haven't used one before, click on the red info button beside the entry then follow the instructions on the next page. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Hi Bev As we do not know the circumstances no one here can advise you fully about the situation In all the years I have used the GRO for certificates I have never had anything but a helpful response to any enquiry I would suggest you try to make contact again, if it was over the Christmas period they have simply been on holiday Letters still work you know, they are not quite obsolete just yet <vbg> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On the subject of registers.... I recently ordered a birth record for the > year of 1839. I was sent a record for someone of the same name born in > 1841. Will the GRO correct this? I emailed them immediately but have had > no answer. Am I going to have to place an international call? > > Thanks, > > Bev W

Could someone possibly point me in the right direction as to which registry office to use to apply for a death certificate please? If I use the GRO I think I will have to buy all 3 - or at least one at a time! My ancestor was called Jane Ellen MOSS (but sometimes Jane Sarah Moss as her mother was called Sarah Ellen). She was born in Whitechapel July 1846 and lived around that area as a Staymaker all her life. I don't think she ever married and the last I can find of her is as a Boarder in Mile End Old Town in the 1901 census. >From the GRO Indexes I have found the following deaths but am not sure which registry office to apply to to see if I have the correct one: 1. Apr-Jun 1902 Jane Ellen Moss Age 58 West Ham, Essex Vol 4a Pg 133 (seems the most likely but Essex puts me off) 2. Jan-Mar 1911 Jane Moss Age 66 Barnett Vol 3a Pg 216 3. Jane Moss Jan-Mar 1913 Age 69 London City Vol 1c pg 1 Perhaps I should add that her sister Louisa, who Jane lived with (also a spinster Staymaker) died in 1886 in Middlesex Lunatic Asylum in Banstead (now Surrey) of TB so was moved out of the area. Best wishes for 2011 to you all. Carolyn

Diane Wynne wrote: > Although Ancestry has the baptism and burial registers on line for St > Anne´s Limehouse from 1730, there don´t seem to be any marriages for > that period and parish. > > I´ve looked up the LMA holdings and there should be marriages from > 1730 onwards. > > Does anyone know why Ancestry doesn´t include them. Your best bet would be to ask Ancestry themselves as they are the ones who would definitely know. Anyone else would have to try to guess why they haven't put them online. Have you had a look at Docklands Ancestors? I believe they have the registers available online for a small charge. They have a lot of the East End PRs. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Although Ancestry has the baptism and burial registers on line for St Anne´s Limehouse from 1730, there don´t seem to be any marriages for that period and parish. I´ve looked up the LMA holdings and there should be marriages from 1730 onwards. Does anyone know why Ancestry doesn´t include them. Thanks Diane

Hi Nivard, I sent for the birth record for a birth in Islington in 1839. There was a reference for a Samuel Rawlings b. 1839 in Islington. There was a book page and number also given. I received a birth record for one Samuel Rawlings b. Jan 1, 1841 in Buckingham, subdistrict Tingewick, County of Bucks to Thomas Rawlings, agricultural worker, and wife Salena (formerly Turner) Rawlings. My elusive Samuel was baptized at St. Barnabas Finsbury in 1845 as I have previously posted. He was born in 1839 to Samuel and Mary Rawlins and had at least two siblings Alfred and Mary. Samuel Sr. was a "watch finisher" who appears to have traveled about. I thought I would take a chance with the birth record. Thanks again so much!! Bev W -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> To: middlesex_county_uk <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Jan 5, 2011 9:06 am Subject: [MDX] Bev wrong Cert was Death Certificate/Which registry office please? Hi Bev As we do not know the circumstances no one here can advise you fully about he situation In all the years I have used the GRO for certificates I have never had nything but a helpful response to any enquiry I would suggest you try to make contact again, if it was over the Christmas eriod they have simply been on holiday Letters still work you know, they are not quite obsolete just yet <vbg> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > On the subject of registers.... I recently ordered a birth record for the year of 1839. I was sent a record for someone of the same name born in 1841. Will the GRO correct this? I emailed them immediately but have had no answer. Am I going to have to place an international call? Thanks, Bev W ************************************** end your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** uperfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Thanks so much everyone, for explaining what I need to do. I did not put GQ in the subject line but will copy them again. I will also add the information from the certificate that I have received to the Free BMD list. Every little bit helps!!! Bev W -----Original Message----- From: Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> To: Middex ML <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Jan 5, 2011 9:14 am Subject: Re: [MDX] Death Certificate/Which registry office please? On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 08:49:17 -0500 (EST) ser917826@aol.com wrote: Hello user917826@aol.com, > On the subject of registers.... I recently ordered a birth record for the year of 1839. I was sent a record for someone of the same name born in 1841. Will the GRO correct this? I emailed them immediately It's possible that the error is that the year 1841 has been entered on he cert by mistake rather than the wrong cert being sent. Either way, t's wrong, so they should replace the cert. However, to get a response from them you *must* include GQ in the ubject: header of the email you send them, otherwise no email is ent to you, even though action is taken. It could be a while since ou're overseas and they've had a Christmas break, and will be a bit ehind. > but have had no answer. Am I going to have to place an international call? Almost certainly not. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" wo sides to every story ublic Image - Public Image Ltd ************************************* end your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** uperfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

A couple of comments Charani Both Ancestry and findmypast offer a free 14 day trial as long as you cancel before the time is up (Ancestry offer a free phone and email address for same, I can't vouch for findmypast) As regards Ancestry Library edition, many libraries and institutions (Universities for example) have access but the terms of the Library edition do not allow access from home, where this has happened the institution has had their subscription stopped Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > Most sites offer a trial, not free unfortunately but worth taking out. > <snip> > It's worth remembering that many libraries offer access to Ancestry, > usually free of charge, which you may be able to use from home via > your library card. <snip> > Charani (UK)

Ann Davenport wrote: > Good morning, > I would like some ideas as to which of the pay sites has the best records available. > I have looked at The Genealogist and Find my Past so far. > I don't want to spend the money and then be disappointed. Most sites offer a trial, not free unfortunately but worth taking out. My main site of choice is FindMyPast which hasn't let me down so far but it doesn't have everything I want/need. So I take out a monthly sub to Ancestry every so often, extract everything I want/need then unsub until the next time be it a new database and/or research queries. I do the same thing with other sites: take out a minimum sub if they offer one or post a request for help. It's worth remembering that many libraries offer access to Ancestry, usually free of charge, which you may be able to use from home via your library card. Bottom line is: you are the only one who can really decide what is best for your own needs. Birthdays, Christmas, Mother's Day or other anniversaries are always useful for trial subs. It's a gift that lasts longer than a box of chocolates or a bunch of flowers ;)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Good morning, I would like some ideas as to which of the pay sites has the best records available. I have looked at The Genealogist and Find my Past so far. I don't want to spend the money and then be disappointed. kind regards, Ann Davenport

On the subject of registers.... I recently ordered a birth record for the year of 1839. I was sent a record for someone of the same name born in 1841. Will the GRO correct this? I emailed them immediately but have had no answer. Am I going to have to place an international call? Thanks, Bev W -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn McCartney <carolyn.mccartney@btinternet.com> To: middlesex_county_uk <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Jan 5, 2011 8:43 am Subject: [MDX] Death Certificate/Which registry office please? Could someone possibly point me in the right direction as to which registry ffice to use to apply for a death certificate please? If I use the GRO I hink I will have to buy all 3 - or at least one at a time! y ancestor was called Jane Ellen MOSS (but sometimes Jane Sarah Moss as her other was called Sarah Ellen). She was born in Whitechapel July 1846 and ived around that area as a Staymaker all her life. I don't think she ever arried and the last I can find of her is as a Boarder in Mile End Old Town n the 1901 census. >From the GRO Indexes I have found the following deaths but am not sure which egistry office to apply to to see if I have the correct one: 1. Apr-Jun 1902 Jane Ellen Moss Age 58 West Ham, Essex Vol 4a Pg 133 (seems he most likely but Essex puts me off) . Jan-Mar 1911 Jane Moss Age 66 Barnett Vol 3a Pg 216 . Jane Moss Jan-Mar 1913 Age 69 London City Vol 1c pg 1 Perhaps I should add that her sister Louisa, who Jane lived with (also a pinster Staymaker) died in 1886 in Middlesex Lunatic Asylum in Banstead now Surrey) of TB so was moved out of the area. Best wishes for 2011 to you all. Carolyn ************************************** end your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** uperfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Hi Ann I am afraid no one will be able to give you a definitive answer as it all depends upon your needs and wants A lot will depend upon the time frame, location, occupations in some cases etc In order of usefulness and content I would suggest Ancestry is way out in front, findmypast second, I would not bother with the genealogist at all But that is my preference You would be best to say what your main interests are, when and where for better advice I would recommend looking at each site in turn and noting the content and coverage of their databases to see which is best for you, both Ancestry and findmypast have a free trial period At the end of the day no one site will fulfill all your needs, it does not exist and never will so all you can do is cover as much as you can As it may not be Middlesex based you can mail me off list if you wish As to not wanting to be disappointed , I will guarantee that even if you subscribed to every site thats available you will still be disappointed to some degree, its the nature of the hobby/obsession Lets face it, if it were *that* easy we would not bother doing it would we :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Good morning, > I would like some ideas as to which of the pay sites has the best records > available. > I have looked at The Genealogist and Find my Past so far. > I don't want to spend the money and then be disappointed. > kind regards, > Ann Davenport

Dear Ann You are very sensible to do thorough research before parting with your hard earned cash, but unfortunately (as I am sure you realise!), there is no simple answer to your question. The "best" records are the ones in which you are most interested, and these vary from person to person. If you have a lot of London ancestors then Ancestry is hard to beat at the moment, thanks to its collaboration with the London Metropolitan Archives in digitising their holdings of parish registers and poor law records (the latter are unindexed and incomplete but are a marvellous resource). FindmyPast has some useful stuff, particularly through its links with the Federation of Family History Societies, which gives access to a wealth of non-London parish register material (though these are transcriptions only). It is also the only subscription site which currently offers access to the full 1911 census. The Genealogist gives you access to transcriptions and images of non-conformist and non-parochial registers which are very handy if you have a lot of dissenting ancestors, and they also have a near-complete index and images of PCC wills. The latter are invaluable if your ancestors were comfortably off, and the ability to check out a large number of wills for "free" is very attractive. The 3.5GBP cost to download them from TNA is very reasonable, but this soon mounts up when you need to look at half a dozen or so! Both of the sites you mention do, of course, have transcriptions and images of the 1841-1901 censuses and facilities to search the GRO indices, though for the latter you really can't beat good old FreeBMD, unless your interest lies with more recent events. So you really are going to have to get yourself organised before you take the plunge. Have a good look at your research as it currently stands - where are the gaps and what kind of records might exist to fill them in? Organise "to-do" lists according to type of records and their location, just as one used to have to do when all research involved travel to often distant repositories. Then you can purchase short-term subscriptions, one at a time, to the suppliers who offer the best deal for what you need. An imperfect answer, I know. Many of us are fortunate (or foolish!) enough to subscribe to multiple sites, and the price can seem quite outrageous until you consider the alternative costs of travel, overnight accommodation etc to see the records in their original locations. It comes down to budgeting, in the end - to setting yourself a monthly or annual limit on what you are prepared to spend on your hobby, then sticking to it. Best wishes Caroline > > Good morning, > I would like some ideas as to which of the pay sites has the best > records available. > I have looked at The Genealogist and Find my Past so far. > I don't want to spend the money and then be disappointed. > kind regards, > Ann Davenport

Diane, I think that Ancestry attempts to put a large percentage of records from one souce online before they have completely finished transcribing them. I have noticed that they have continued to "add" to US census records and our SS Death index over time, making it possible to find new things years after once checking for them. I don't know if this is because of a commitment to get as much online as possible or a strategy to keep one coming back so to speak. Hopefully, the marriage registers you seek will one day be added. Bev W -----Original Message----- From: Diane Wynne <thewynnes@gmail.com> To: middlesex_county_uk <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Jan 5, 2011 7:04 am Subject: [MDX] Ancestry - Parish registers Although Ancestry has the baptism and burial registers on line for St nne´s Limehouse from 1730, there don´t seem to be any marriages for hat period and parish. I´ve looked up the LMA holdings and there should be marriages from 730 onwards. Does anyone know why Ancestry doesn´t include them. Thanks iane ************************************** end your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** uperfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

>From Weekly Journal or British Gazetteer ( London, England ), Saturday, April 17, 1725; Issue 16. Thursday 7 Night at Hick's-Hall, being the Quarter Sessions for the County of Middlesex, Sir Henry PENRICE , was chosen Treasurer for maimed Soldiers and Mariners for the year 1725, in the room of Sir Henry BATEMAN , Knt. Treasurer for the Year 1724. Mr. William FLETCHER , Grocer in Old-Street, was chosen High Constable for Finsbury Division, in the room of Mr. WARREN , who was then discharg'd out of his Office.

Hi Anne Firstly, may I wish you slightly belated Happy New Year. I'm pretty sure you have checked the "Proceedings of the Old Bailey" website for the trial of those who attacked your ancestor. I have just checked, but found nothing. However, there is a nice facility which maps out where crimes took place. I haven't seen this feature before - it's very good. use this link http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/forms/formMaps.jsp alternatively, it may be accessed from the main menu on the left hand side of the main Old Bailey search screen at "Place and Map Search 1674 to 1834" Regards Richard Brown Bromley, Kent UK > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 22:29:13 +1100 > From: Anne Chapman <anne@chapman.id.au> > Subject: Re: [MDX] Final MAPCO London Maps For 2010 > > Thank you David, those maps were wonderful, especially the 1799 one, as it shows the area where my Gt x 3 Grandmother was mugged, a kind neighbour came along and saved her from being raped.  The two fellows were caught and went to trial, but we have not been able to find what their sentences were, so far -- they may have hung for the crime.  Sarah Camppin was only a girl of 15 or 16 at the time. Anne > ------------------------------