From Illustrated London News, Saturday, September 26, 1846; pg. 199; Issue 230. DEATH IN A POLICE CELL.  -  An inquest was held on Monday before Mr. MILLS , at the Elephant and Castle, Camden-town, on the body of Sarah HANNAN , aged 38, the wife of a painter and glazier, who had been taken to the police station when in a fit, under the supposition that she was drunk.  She was placed in a cell with the door open, and no surgeon was sent for until she was observed to be dying.  The Coroner cautioned the police against being too rash in concluding that all persons insensible must be drunk.  The Jury returned a verdict of " Natural death. "

Greetings Could someone please tell me if possible who was living at this address in 1891 census please. Georgina HINCHCLIFF/E (born 1875, St Giles), was living there when she married Walter William LOCKETT Sep 1891,  I haven't been able to find her on an 1891 census, although I have her on all other census, this is the one I haven't been able to locate her on, so wondering who was living at that address, so I can follow it further. Many thanks Glenys

Hello Ann, did he live in crab tree row or birdcage walk, or columbia road, all are the same place over the years the name changed it now is tower hamlets but just over the road from shoreditch in haggerston. many thanks pete a kid from shoreditch. ________________________________ From: Ann Pilon <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 18 July 2012, 16:22 Subject: [MDX] FW: James Cole family b. abt 1840 Hornsey This may explain why I am having so much trouble finding the correct family. Thanks, Ann > > Hello Ann, >    Ican tell you that shoreditch haggerston is on one side of the hackney road while bethnal green is on the ther sidethe boarderis in the middle of hackney road in this part of the area it changes in the victoria park area. > many thanks pete a kid from shoreditch > > ________________________________ > From: Ann Pilon <[email protected]> > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2012, 20:21 > Subject: [MDX] James Cole family b. abt 1840 Hornsey > >> > Hello there: > > Here is what I have on James Cole. He was born abt. 1840. He was a looking glass maker and cabinet maker. In 1896 he was living at 312 Brick Lane Spitalfield East. I have found a death registration for James Cole b. abt 1840, date of registration - Apr May Jun 1896 registration district Bethnal Green.  I have found James in 1891 on Ancestry. Residence given as Bethnal Green and with Jane and Harriet. I have found him (I think it is him) in 1881 on Ancestry again with Jane and Harriet. Information given for place of birth is Hornsey, Middlesex, Civil parish - St. Leonards Shoreditch, Street address - 29 Canal Road - married - occupation Beer Shop Keeper. There are many James Cole on Ancestry. Not having an idea of the different areas of London I need help in trying to figure out which of the many James' could be the father of Charles. >                         ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Timeline 1708 James CALLOW = Jane GLASPOOL 28th Dec 1708 at St Martin in the Fields 1709 dau Susanna baptised 22nd Jan 1709 at St James Westminster 1711 son Henry bapttised 25th Nov 1711 at St Martin in the Fields 1733 Henry CALLOW or KELLEY a young man buried at Great Brington, Northamptonshire 1734 James made his will, now living at Whetstone, Middlesex, described himself as a gentleman 1753 James died at Kingsthorpe, Northamptonshire, buried at Great Brington, a nearby village 1756 Jane made her will, also living at Kingsthorpe. Bequests to the poor of the parishes of St Martin in the Fields and St James Westminster 1761 Jane made a codicil to her will, still living in Kingsthorpe 1762 Jane died at Kingsthorpe, buried at Great Brington Trying to fill in the blanks. Where were they between 1711 and 1734? How long were they in Whetstone? When/why did they move to Northamptonshire? How does the James below connect to James and Jane? I am sure he is related somehow, son, grandson, nephew. James CALLOW of St George Hanover Square married Frances SIMKIN at Great Brington, Northamptonshire by licence 1758 The marriage bond says that James is over 25 and Frances over 21 James was a groom at Althorp Park, he died in 1774 and was buried in Great Brington Frances was born 1737 and died 1777 and also buried in Great Brington James and Frances are my ancestors Marilyn ----------------- http://www.familyhistorynorthants.co.uk http://www.familyhistorynorthants.co.uk

You can change your name by Statutory Declaration for a nominal sum [I paid £5.00], and this is accepted by all official bodies. Barbara On 19 July 2012 05:47, Caroline Bradford <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Pam > > Although the common law principal I described in my earlier post still holds true in theory, in recent years our obsession with "identity" has meant that, in practice, anyone now wishing to use a name other than one shown on a birth certificate, adoption certificate or marriage certificate would find life exceedingly difficult! > > Caroline > > Sent from my iPad > > On 18 Jul 2012, at 22:40, "LittleMiracles" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Caroline > > > > Many thanks for explaining what you can do in England, we are a little different in that any thing legal has to be what your BDM says. My mother's father misspelled her name on her birth certificate, she could spell it correct for every day life but when it came to a legal document she had to miss spell it. A friend of mine just passed a way, she was born 20 Jun 1929, but her father make a mistake and put 9 July 1929 on her birth certificate and that was the date that had to appear on her death certificate. > > > > To get married you have to produce a full birth certificate, surely some one would notice the difference in names. Many people use other names for all different reason, if they land up in the news here, the paper puts in their correct name (known as !!!!) > > > > It seems it will be one of those mysteries I am not going to solve. > > > > Thank you all for your help > > > > Pam....NZ > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pam Although the common law principal I described in my earlier post still holds true in theory, in recent years our obsession with "identity" has meant that, in practice, anyone now wishing to use a name other than one shown on a birth certificate, adoption certificate or marriage certificate would find life exceedingly difficult! Caroline Sent from my iPad On 18 Jul 2012, at 22:40, "LittleMiracles" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Caroline > > Many thanks for explaining what you can do in England, we are a little different in that any thing legal has to be what your BDM says. My mother's father misspelled her name on her birth certificate, she could spell it correct for every day life but when it came to a legal document she had to miss spell it. A friend of mine just passed a way, she was born 20 Jun 1929, but her father make a mistake and put 9 July 1929 on her birth certificate and that was the date that had to appear on her death certificate. > > To get married you have to produce a full birth certificate, surely some one would notice the difference in names. Many people use other names for all different reason, if they land up in the news here, the paper puts in their correct name (known as !!!!) > > It seems it will be one of those mysteries I am not going to solve. > > Thank you all for your help > > Pam....NZ > > > > >

Hi Caroline Many thanks for explaining what you can do in England, we are a little different in that any thing legal has to be what your BDM says. My mother's father misspelled her name on her birth certificate, she could spell it correct for every day life but when it came to a legal document she had to miss spell it. A friend of mine just passed a way, she was born 20 Jun 1929, but her father make a mistake and put 9 July 1929 on her birth certificate and that was the date that had to appear on her death certificate. To get married you have to produce a full birth certificate, surely some one would notice the difference in names. Many people use other names for all different reason, if they land up in the news here, the paper puts in their correct name (known as !!!!) It seems it will be one of those mysteries I am not going to solve. Thank you all for your help Pam....NZ LittleMiracles wrote: > Arthur used both names when it was convenient, but is it correct > for him to continue using a name which is not his and hand it down > from marriage, to his children and grand children. Hallo Yes, it would be correct. If he did not legally change his name by deed poll, he could equally legally acquire the name simply by being known by the name. He could also adopt the name legally by taking out an advertisement in any newspaper or by an announcement in the London Gazette. As Caroline has stated anyone can use any name of their choice so long as it is not for criminal or fraudulent purposes. This has always been so and is still so. Connie in London

Hi Jenny Thanks for the info on JOHN HENRY PAYNE my Gt Grandfather. A bit of a mystery with him, I did find a document with his, what I thought was his Masters No. but it turned out to belong to another chap. Maybe he didn't sit for his Masters cetrificate? His grandmothers name was HOWMAN not Hensman as Ancestry has it down as. I haven't got Ancestry I use Find My Past for my research. My biggest headache is looking for my grandfather Albert Thompson, according to my Mum he was German and at some point sailed on the same ship as John. You seem to me, like myself on a few lists, I have seen you on the Norfolk list. Thanks once again for the information Anne On 18/07/2012 15:31, Jenny De Angelis wrote: > Hi Anne, > > I expect you have found this 1861 entry but thought I would send you the > reference for it so that you can find it for yourself if you haven't already > seen it. > > The entry is for JOhn Payne aged 19 Able Seaman, born Cromer. He is on the > vessel Wenslydale, (transcribed on Ancestry as Wensbydale). The ref. for > the entry is RG9 piece 4514 folio 25 there is no page number as each ship > has it's own schedule which is handed to the master just before he sets sail > on the voyage that will take him and his crew away over census night, in > this case 7th april 1861. The master was responsible for filling out the > schedule for his crew, any passengers he might be carrying, and the details > of his vessel. Each vessel is counted as an enumeration district in it's own > right. The schedule duly completed was to be handed in to the Registrar of > shipping at the next port of call that the vessel made or to the British > Consul in that place if no registrar was available, otherwise it was to be > handed in to the registrar of shipping once the ship returned home. > > In case you are not aware you can view the description of the vessel on the > Ancestry site, this appears on the front page of the schedule which you can > find by going to this entry then clicking on the name of the ship at the top > of the page. This takes you to a page showing an alphabetical list of all > vessel names and you can scroll down to find Wensbydale. Once there click > on the link to the right of the name, View description of Enumeration > District, and this will bring up the front page of the schedule for this > vessel giving her home port, here official number, her trade and tonnage and > her compass position etc., at midnight on census night. You will see that > the Wensleydale was in West Hartlepool on census night. All of this helps > to put together a picture of a man's life at sea. > > Hope this helps > Regards > Jenny DeAngelis > > > <<In particular CHARLOTTE CLARA SCHRODER nee PAYNE. Charlotte was born in > October 1872 in Cromer Norfolk. She married RICHARD WILLIAM LEOPOLD > Schroder in 1899 in West Hartlepool. The couple has to my knowledge 3 > children RICHARD born 1901, Leopold born 1902 and died September 1908, > and LILY born 1904. Lily married THOMAS TOMLINSON from Greatham and had > seveal children including Ronald and Alice. In the early 40's late 30's > the family moved to Brentford Middlesex and after Charlottes husband > died she moved to Brentford (Basildene Rd) where Charlotte died in 1947. > Any information on Charlotte would be gratefully appreciated and what > happened to her grandchildren>> > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Caroline No I don't have any evidence of Mr Cameron ïnsisting" the children use his name, only here say from family, but in that instant can see his point, it would be easier for them all to have the same surname when young as a family, rather than two different names. Arthur used both names when it was convenient, but is it correct for him to continue using a name which is not his and hand it down from marriage, to his children and grand children. This name swapping has made finding details very hard to trace. He spent most of his younger life in the Navy but can find no trace of either Davis or Cameron in the records. What about his boxing titles, the family know he had them but none can tell me what name he was using. It has been a mystery that has taken many years to find and every time I think I have cracked it, another big wall appears. Many thanks for your help, much appreciated Pam.....NZ Hi Pam Under English common law, a person has the right to call themselves whatever they choose, provided there is no fraudulent intent. Moreover, children taking on their stepfather's name was common practice and convenient as it meant they had the same surname as their mother. It was equally normal for these children to quote their "birth name" (i.e their natural father's name) when marrying. Do you have evidence of Mr CAMERON "insisting" that they use it against their will? Hope this helps Caroline Sent from my iPad

Hi Anne, Sorry! I forgot to mention that I had found Charlotte Payne with her parents, John H. & Sarah, in the 1881 census in West Hartlepool. Assuming that this is the right Payne family, I then managed to find John Payne in the 1851 with his widowed grandmother, Mary Hensman(?),and his likely sisters Charlotte & Mary L. Payne in Cromer. I also assume that in 1851 the widowed Mary Hensman is the Payne children's maternal grandmother. Maybe you have already found this entry I don't know. The ref. is HO107 piece 1809 folio 393 page 5, in case you don't have it already. Mary Hensman's surname is indexed as Hersman on Ancestry. Then I found what appears to be the same John Payne in the 1861 at sea on board the vessel Wenslydale, as I mentioned in my earlier message. I could not find him in the 1871 census but then he might have been at sea on a foreign registered ship and if he was out at sea, on a foreign registered ship, and not in a British port or on a British Registered ship, on census night, then he would not be enumerated. A British registered ship at sea would be counted as part of Britain even though it could be the other side of the world on census night. Having seen in the 1881 census that John was a master mariner I thought that the 1861 entry I found earlier was very likely your man. Have you investigated getting a copy of his Master Mariner certificate at all? If you can find his Certificate number you can then order a copy of that from the National Maritime Museum, NMM, at Greenwich London and it should come with the testimonial that goes with it. That testimonial gives a description of the man and names all of the ships he sailed on from when he first went to sea until he sat the exam for the certificate. All useful stuff for creating a picture of the family and the person. But you must find his Certificate number before you can apply for a copy of the document because the NMM need that number to find the original to make the copy for you. If you can find a crew list for one or other of the ships that John Payne sailed on you might find his number noted there. The LDS have some Crew lists on their films. The Mariners website will guide you when it comes to researching Mariners http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/ There is a link on this site to the Mariners mailing list, which deals only with Ships and the men that sailed them and not with passengers. I have just found that in the 1891 census John Payne is once more at sea on board a ship called William Thomas, he spent census night on the River Tyne at Wallsend. He is noted as the Mate and signed the schedule as Mate. The ref. for this entry in case you need it is, RG12 piece 4222 folio 131, again no page number because this is a vessel. If he was a Master Mariner then at times he might well have signed on for a voyage as Mate, a in the 1891 census above. The mate would take over as Master of a vessel if the Master fell ill or when the master was resting etc. The Mate would be just as qualified as the master. I have two Master Mariner ancestors, father and son, from North Shields Northumberland and later Hartlepool and have researched them as fully as I have been able to. The younger of these two mariners, my Gt. Grandfather, was sailing as Mate on board the vessel that sailed to New Orleans in Sept./Oct. 1882 when he was lost overboard during a cyclone on the way home after leaving the USA 3 days earlier. The Lloyd's list of shipping for 1881-1882 shows that during that period my Gt. Grandfather sailed on this vessels a few times, sometimes as Master and at others as Mate. You might also find entries in the shippping columns of newspapers of the time for the ships your John Payne sailed on. I don't know how far back in time you have got with the Payne family to date but hope I might have helped a little bit. Regard Jenny DeAngelis

I forgot to add that they will then send you a card by mail, which will give you a reference number to use each time you log in with your surname. Generally, it will lock itself into your computer so that you do not have to put in the details each time you use the site. Best of luck. Graham

Hello Graham Yes i am in Australia, thanks for the info, will check in with the National Library. It is so sad he was only 10 years old and a brother to my father. Did not know of him until the 1911 census. Thanks for contacting me regards Jen, Far North Coast, NSW On 18/07/2012 5:13 PM, Graham Price wrote: > Dear Jen > As you are in Australia you could get lucky with the National Library > of Australia. They have access to considerable 19th and 20th century > British newspapers. What you need to do is to register so as to get > your "e-licence," at > <http://www.nla.gov.au/app/eresources/>http://www.nla.gov.au/app/eresources/ > or at the home website of <http://www.nla.gov.au/>http://www.nla.gov.au/ > Truly a magnificent wealth of resources. It is a website I use > frequently. Good fortune! > Graham > Melbourne > Oz > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hallo Thank you very much for the contact details and for the name of the street. It wasn't clear on the certificate. Connie in London John Moore wrote: > Hello Connie, > The paper most likely to carry a report of this event would be The > South London Press. > The Southwark Local History Library at John Harvard Library in Borough > High Street has some SLP on microfilm. Their website says they have > local papers from 1856 to the present. > > Address: John Harvard Library > 211 Borough High Street > London > SE1 1JA > Tel: 020 7525 0232 > [email protected] > > Geoffrey House (named after Chaucer) in Pardoner Street, is on the > Tabard Estate and a short walk south of the John Harvard Library > > Regards, > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Connie" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:11 PM > Subject: [MDX] Which 1957 newspaper? > | Hallo > | Which would be the most likely newspaper in Bermondsey to carry a > | report on a death in May 1957? The body was found at Bricklayers > Arms > | British Railways Goods Yard, SE1. The deceased lived in Geoffrey > | House, Pa---- Street, SE1. > | The inquest report would not have survived as this was a suicide by > | hanging, nothing to make it worthy of keeping by the coroner. > | I've had a look on the British Newspaper Archive site. They only go > | up to 1950. > | There is nothing on the LMA site. > | Connie in London > > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Connie, The paper most likely to carry a report of this event would be The South London Press. The Southwark Local History Library at John Harvard Library in Borough High Street has some SLP on microfilm. Their website says they have local papers from 1856 to the present. Address: John Harvard Library 211 Borough High Street London SE1 1JA Tel: 020 7525 0232 [email protected] Geoffrey House (named after Chaucer) in Pardoner Street, is on the Tabard Estate and a short walk south of the John Harvard Library Regards, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Connie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:11 PM Subject: [MDX] Which 1957 newspaper? | Hallo | Which would be the most likely newspaper in Bermondsey to carry a | report on a death in May 1957? The body was found at Bricklayers Arms | British Railways Goods Yard, SE1. The deceased lived in Geoffrey | House, Pa---- Street, SE1. | The inquest report would not have survived as this was a suicide by | hanging, nothing to make it worthy of keeping by the coroner. | I've had a look on the British Newspaper Archive site. They only go | up to 1950. | There is nothing on the LMA site. | Connie in London

Dear Jen As you are in Australia you could get lucky with the National Library of Australia. They have access to considerable 19th and 20th century British newspapers. What you need to do is to register so as to get your "e-licence," at <http://www.nla.gov.au/app/eresources/>http://www.nla.gov.au/app/eresources/ or at the home website of <http://www.nla.gov.au/>http://www.nla.gov.au/ Truly a magnificent wealth of resources. It is a website I use frequently. Good fortune! Graham Melbourne Oz

Hello I would appreciate advice as to which newspapers were available for Marylebone in 1913 I am searching for any newspaper report for William Alden aged 10 The inquest was conducted by C Luxmoore Drew, Coroner for London and inquest was held 1st October 1913 On the death cert - cause of death - "Shock fracture of skull and other injuries caused when he was knocked down and run over by motor car in Rossmore Road, Accidental PM" I have been in contact with St Mary's Hospital where he died. unfortunately no records are available, I doubt I would find any more detail from an inquest report (if they are still available) however I am thinking that should a death may have been reported in a newspaper Thank you for any assistance Jen (NSW)

Hi Anne, I expect you have found this 1861 entry but thought I would send you the reference for it so that you can find it for yourself if you haven't already seen it. The entry is for JOhn Payne aged 19 Able Seaman, born Cromer. He is on the vessel Wenslydale, (transcribed on Ancestry as Wensbydale). The ref. for the entry is RG9 piece 4514 folio 25 there is no page number as each ship has it's own schedule which is handed to the master just before he sets sail on the voyage that will take him and his crew away over census night, in this case 7th april 1861. The master was responsible for filling out the schedule for his crew, any passengers he might be carrying, and the details of his vessel. Each vessel is counted as an enumeration district in it's own right. The schedule duly completed was to be handed in to the Registrar of shipping at the next port of call that the vessel made or to the British Consul in that place if no registrar was available, otherwise it was to be handed in to the registrar of shipping once the ship returned home. In case you are not aware you can view the description of the vessel on the Ancestry site, this appears on the front page of the schedule which you can find by going to this entry then clicking on the name of the ship at the top of the page. This takes you to a page showing an alphabetical list of all vessel names and you can scroll down to find Wensbydale. Once there click on the link to the right of the name, View description of Enumeration District, and this will bring up the front page of the schedule for this vessel giving her home port, here official number, her trade and tonnage and her compass position etc., at midnight on census night. You will see that the Wensleydale was in West Hartlepool on census night. All of this helps to put together a picture of a man's life at sea. Hope this helps Regards Jenny DeAngelis <<In particular CHARLOTTE CLARA SCHRODER nee PAYNE. Charlotte was born in October 1872 in Cromer Norfolk. She married RICHARD WILLIAM LEOPOLD Schroder in 1899 in West Hartlepool. The couple has to my knowledge 3 children RICHARD born 1901, Leopold born 1902 and died September 1908, and LILY born 1904. Lily married THOMAS TOMLINSON from Greatham and had seveal children including Ronald and Alice. In the early 40's late 30's the family moved to Brentford Middlesex and after Charlottes husband died she moved to Brentford (Basildene Rd) where Charlotte died in 1947. Any information on Charlotte would be gratefully appreciated and what happened to her grandchildren>>

Hallo Which would be the most likely newspaper in Bermondsey to carry a report on a death in May 1957? The body was found at Bricklayers Arms British Railways Goods Yard, SE1. The deceased lived in Geoffrey House, Pa---- Street, SE1. The inquest report would not have survived as this was a suicide by hanging, nothing to make it worthy of keeping by the coroner. I've had a look on the British Newspaper Archive site. They only go up to 1950. There is nothing on the LMA site. Connie in London

LittleMiracles wrote: > Arthur used both names when it was convenient, but is it correct > for him to continue using a name which is not his and hand it down > from marriage, to his children and grand children. Hallo Yes, it would be correct. If he did not legally change his name by deed poll, he could equally legally acquire the name simply by being known by the name. He could also adopt the name legally by taking out an advertisement in any newspaper or by an annoucement in the London Gazette. As Caroline has stated anyone can use any name of their choice so long as it is not for criminal or fraudulent purposes. This has always been so and is still so. Connie in London

Hello Ann,    Ican tell you that shoreditch haggerston is on one side of the hackney road while bethnal green is on the ther sidethe boarderis in the middle of hackney road in this part of the area it changes in the victoria park area. many thanks pete a kid from shoreditch ________________________________ From: Ann Pilon <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2012, 20:21 Subject: [MDX] James Cole family b. abt 1840 Hornsey Hello there: I am coming to this list in hopes that someone can help. A couple of years ago I was looking for parents of Charles Cole Pilon. I have found them. He was the son of James Cole b. abt. 1840 and Charlotte Jane Pilon (unmarried) b. 1857 who lived together for many years as husband and wife. I have been able to trace the Pilon family back and now am trying to find the Cole family. Here is what I have on James Cole. He was born abt. 1840. He was a looking glass maker and cabinet maker. In 1896 he was living at 312 Brick Lane Spitalfield East. I have found a death registration for James Cole b. abt 1840, date of registration - Apr May Jun 1896 registration district Bethnal Green.  I have found James in 1891 on Ancestry. Residence given as Bethnal Green and with Jane and Harriet. I have found him (I think it is him) in 1881 on Ancestry again with Jane and Harriet. Information given for place of birth is Hornsey, Middlesex, Civil parish - St. Leonards Shoreditch, Street address - 29 Canal Road - married - occupation Beer Shop Keeper. There are many James Cole on Ancestry. Not having an idea of the different areas of London I need help in trying to figure out which of the many James' could be the father of Charles. I would really appreciate any help you could give me. Ann                           ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message