I too have been frustrated with the records with the online records from the archive. Here's what I'm looking for. My gr gr gr grandfather, Frederick Grant, was born in December 1839. His baptism is recorded a month later in St. John Evangelist, Smith Square. His parents were John & Anne Grant. John was a messenger for the Exchequer. As far as I can tell, there was no registered birth record. I would love to be shown that I was wrong! I can't find them in the 1841 or 1851 censes. In 1855 he joins the Royal Marines in Woolwich. His records after this are good - military, census and marriage records. In 1863 he marries in Yorkshire. The marriage record states that his father was Frederick Grant, lawyer. His military records state that his mother was Anne Grant. One of his military records states that he had been training to be a grocer. Not all of St. John's records are online at ancestry or at findmypast. Don't know where to turn next. any help appreciated Stephen Pegler check out my blog! http://peglermusings.blogspot.com/ I shall rise from the dead.... I shall see the Son of God, the Sun of Glory, and shine myself as that sun shines. I shall be united to the Ancient of Days, to God Himself, who had no morning, never began.... No man ever saw God and lived. And yet, I shall not live till I see God; and when I have seen him, I shall never die. John Donne

Hi Bev, I don't have any answers for you but a few points which may help you to focus your research. >From the detail you have provided, I guess you have found the children's baptisms by browsing the images on Ancestry. Did you also notice there were 432 baptisms on the same day, 26th October 1845? Family after family which suggests the vicar was an evangelist and had rounded up all the 'defectors' in his parish! So it may be that the Rawlins's parents were not churchgoers and will not be found in any registers, anywhere. It is also reasonable to assume that there were no earlier children or they would have been included in that mass baptism and especially as it would have been normal to call the first born son after his father. From that it is reasonable to assume that if (!) the parents married, it was in 1838. So they should just have been caught in the 1837 Act. Between 1837 & 1839, the only Samuel Rawlins possibly married to a Mary (Snell) was in St Germans, Cornwall, which seems unlikely for your Samuel but you could send for the certificate to eliminate him (or! ask someone on the Cornwall list to do a parish register search for you?). Unlike births, marriage registers after July 1837 should be complete (reporting them to the Registrar was automatic), but the GRO index may contain errors. The entries in the church register were copied and sent to the Superintendent Registrar and then copied again to Somerset House where they were copied again to the index - all handwritten. Then they were copied again by FreeBMD transcribers so it is inevitable that errors occurred somewhere along that chain. Have you tried doing a BMD search using wild cards? Free BMD is not quite complete either. There are even more transcription errors with census records so try 1841 again, with wild cards. Otherwise it seems that the marriage took place outside England & Wales - or, if they did originate from Ireland, were they Catholics? But the marriage would still have been recorded at the GRO if it was in England & Wales. Because a birth has not been recorded in BMD's that does not mean the child was not born in England, because at that time it was not compulsory to report the birth - it was up to the Registrar to find them. You may have already noticed that St Barnabas was founded in 1826 as a daughter church of St Luke, Old St, which makes the Rawlins you have found in that parish more than the just "significant" that you suggested. They are certainly worth exploring further to see where the trail leads you to or from. Also, the only registers available for St Barnabas are from 1842. It may be the earlier registers have not survived (the church was heavily bombed in 1940) or, more likely, all BMD's were performed at St Luke's; making their records worth further research. Ancestry only appear to have digitised the registers up to 1812 but the LMA catalogue says they have the registers much later than that and on microfilm - but the microfilms have been withdrawn because of the Ancestry digitisation. Only the LMA can explain that one! The other records which may help are the poor rate records, electoral registers and workhouse records. Most of these are at the LMA, some have been indexed on Ancestry and a few are held at local history libraries such as Camden and Islington. Although the "working poor", as you describe Samuel, would be unlikely to appear in the poor rate and electoral registers, there were exceptions depending upon the particular circumstances. A surprisingly large number of people from a wide range of backgrounds went in & out of the workhouse, or received 'out relief', for short periods - temporary layoffs, pregnancy and illness being the most common. The Settlement Examination record often contained valuable information about the applicants background. Like you Bev, I get frustrated with the LMA web site. It is difficult to find, difficult to navigate and their catalogue does contain some errors, mainly due to a lack of clear identity of a record. Awarding the digitisation and indexing to Ancestry has added to the problem because of both the transcription and identification errors they have made. As I said at the start, I don't have any answers but I hope the above will be of some help in navigating your difficult task. Barry1936 On 26 Jul 2012, at 13:26, [email protected] wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 06:38:29 -0400 (EDT) > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MDX] London Metropolitan Archives > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello again, > > > As I have posted, I am searching for information about the parents of my great great grandfather, Samuel Rawlins, who was baptized with is brother Alfred and sister Mary at St. Barnabas Finsbury in October of 1845. Samuel's birthdate was given as May 3, 1839, his brother was born in 1842 and his sister born in 1844. Samuel's father was also a Samuel Rawlins whose trade was "watch finisher". His mother's name was Mary (?). They were living on Rahere Street at the time of the baptism. > > > I have searched all online English Census records for these people to no avail. There do not seem to be records in the BMD for any of the children mentioned. I have often thought that these may not have been the only children in the family. > > The one US census record found for my ancestor (1880) states that Samuel Rawlins (Jr) was born in Ireland and his parents were born in England. Where in England is the question!! Samuel Jr left Ireland in 1867 for the US. He worked in the shipping trade for several years in the States before establishing permanent residence in 1875, Samuel obviously returned to England sometime between 1871 and 1872 because there is another passenger record for him leaving Liverpool again in 1872 with a watch maker, James Marshea and his sister, Ellen, from Wolverhampton. > > Needless to say, James Marshea was the son of a Jeweler/Watchmaker, James D. Marshea who was born in Birmingham but grew up in Clerkenwell. James D. Marshea appears to have been a contemporary of my Samuel Rawlins Sr. and the two may have worked together. The Marshea family also traveled from town to town but can be tracked in the census records. > > It appears that my Rawlins ancestors traveled to Ireland and back again. I have examined all of the English online directories on Ancestry and on other online sites and find no trace of my family. I have also searched both FMP and Ancestry for birth, marriage and death records for Samuel Sr. and wife Mary. I spent four years working with a researcher in Ireland trying to find a "trace" of these folks. I do think I found a mention of my great great grandfather, Samuel jr. working in Belfast in 1858 in a pawn shop in article found on the new British Newspaper Archive site. Again, I have found no direct information on the family in the Irish sites online. I should say, I have ordered quite a few Birth, Marriage and Death records in hopes of making a connection. > > > I believe that my ancestor, Samuel Rawlins Sr., was one of the "working' poor in the 19th century. Owning no property, working for others, and probably traveling around quite a bit makes him difficult to track. One thing we do know, is that he waited to baptize his children in Islington. > > There are other Rawlins families in Middlesex and a few earlier records at St. Lukes Old Street for them which might have significance. I am just not certain. Perhaps there are other resources that can be checked at the LMA that would connect the dots? > > Information for this line of my family has come in bits and pieces. I am hopeful that one day, I will discover just who Samuel and Mary Rawlins were. > > > Thanks for listening again.... > > Bev W >

Rahere Street at that time had numerous tradesmen in the watch and jewellery trade, as a glance at the street section of a contemporary "Post Office London Directory" will show. Marshea strikes me as an unusual name, at least in England. In a 1839 directory (Pigot's) I see there was a watch movement maker by the name of James Marsh, at 22 Tysoe Street, Clerkenwell, which may be worth considering. You could check that address on the 1841 census, for example. With best wishes, John Townsend Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk

Rahere Street at that time had numerous tradesmen in the watch and jewellery trade, as a glance at the street section of a contemporary "Post Office London Directory" will show. Marshea strikes me as an unusual name, at least in England. In a 1839 directory (Pigot's) I see there was a watch movement maker by the name of James Marsh, at 22 Tysoe Street, Clerkenwell, which may be worth considering. You could check that address on the 1841 census, for example. With best wishes, John Townsend Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [MDX] London Metropolitan Archives > Hello again, > > > As I have posted, I am searching for information about the parents of my > great great grandfather, Samuel Rawlins, who was baptized with is brother > Alfred and sister Mary at St. Barnabas Finsbury in October of 1845. > Samuel's birthdate was given as May 3, 1839, his brother was born in 1842 > and his sister born in 1844. Samuel's father was also a Samuel Rawlins > whose trade was "watch finisher". His mother's name was Mary (?). They > were living on Rahere Street at the time of the baptism. > > > I have searched all online English Census records for these people to no > avail. There do not seem to be records in the BMD for any of the children > mentioned. I have often thought that these may not have been the only > children in the family. > > The one US census record found for my ancestor (1880) states that Samuel > Rawlins (Jr) was born in Ireland and his parents were born in England. > Where in England is the question!! Samuel Jr left Ireland in 1867 for the > US. He worked in the shipping trade for several years in the States > before establishing permanent residence in 1875, Samuel obviously returned > to England sometime between 1871 and 1872 because there is another > passenger record for him leaving Liverpool again in 1872 with a watch > maker, James Marshea and his sister, Ellen, from Wolverhampton. > > Needless to say, James Marshea was the son of a Jeweler/Watchmaker, James > D. Marshea who was born in Birmingham but grew up in Clerkenwell. James D. > Marshea appears to have been a contemporary of my Samuel Rawlins Sr. and > the two may have worked together. The Marshea family also traveled from > town to town but can be tracked in the census records. > > It appears that my Rawlins ancestors traveled to Ireland and back again. > I have examined all of the English online directories on Ancestry and on > other online sites and find no trace of my family. I have also searched > both FMP and Ancestry for birth, marriage and death records for Samuel Sr. > and wife Mary. I spent four years working with a researcher in Ireland > trying to find a "trace" of these folks. I do think I found a mention of > my great great grandfather, Samuel jr. working in Belfast in 1858 in a > pawn shop in article found on the new British Newspaper Archive site. > Again, I have found no direct information on the family in the Irish > sites online. I should say, I have ordered quite a few Birth, Marriage > and Death records in hopes of making a connection. > > > I believe that my ancestor, Samuel Rawlins Sr., was one of the "working' > poor in the 19th century. Owning no property, working for others, and > probably traveling around quite a bit makes him difficult to track. One > thing we do know, is that he waited to baptize his children in Islington. > > There are other Rawlins families in Middlesex and a few earlier records at > St. Lukes Old Street for them which might have significance. I am just > not certain. Perhaps there are other resources that can be checked at the > LMA that would connect the dots? > > Information for this line of my family has come in bits and pieces. I am > hopeful that one day, I will discover just who Samuel and Mary Rawlins > were. > > > Thanks for listening again.... > > Bev W > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Caroline Bradford <[email protected]> > To: middlesex_county_uk <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2012 11:36 pm > Subject: Re: [MDX] London Metropolitan Archives > > > Hi Bev > > As has already been said, the staff at the LMA are extremely knowledgeable > and helpful and the research service is fairly priced. However, to make > the > most of the time you pay for it is important to have some idea what you > are > looking for. We are now so used to online sites where most of the > material > has been transcribed or indexed that it can be a shock to realise that > archive staff cannot simply "look up" our ancestors and that a catalogue > is > just that - a structured list of the holdings, not an index of its > contents. > > I would recommend that you post some details of your puzzle here so that > experienced London researchers can offer suggestions about the types of > documentary records that may exist to help solve it. > > Best wishes > > Caroline > >> I am wondering if anyone has ever used the research service at LMA? I >> have taken a look at catalog but haven't gotten very far. If you have >> had experience with using the catalog or the service I would be >> interested in your opinion and iinsights (off list if you would like). >> I understand that the LMA has a relationship with Ancestry but that >> there is much that isn't online at this time. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bev W > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in > CAPITAL > letters** > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in > CAPITAL letters** > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bev As has already been said, the staff at the LMA are extremely knowledgeable and helpful and the research service is fairly priced. However, to make the most of the time you pay for it is important to have some idea what you are looking for. We are now so used to online sites where most of the material has been transcribed or indexed that it can be a shock to realise that archive staff cannot simply "look up" our ancestors and that a catalogue is just that - a structured list of the holdings, not an index of its contents. I would recommend that you post some details of your puzzle here so that experienced London researchers can offer suggestions about the types of documentary records that may exist to help solve it. Best wishes Caroline > I am wondering if anyone has ever used the research service at LMA? I > have taken a look at catalog but haven't gotten very far. If you have > had experience with using the catalog or the service I would be > interested in your opinion and iinsights (off list if you would like). > I understand that the LMA has a relationship with Ancestry but that > there is much that isn't online at this time. > > Thanks, > > Bev W

Hello again, As I have posted, I am searching for information about the parents of my great great grandfather, Samuel Rawlins, who was baptized with is brother Alfred and sister Mary at St. Barnabas Finsbury in October of 1845. Samuel's birthdate was given as May 3, 1839, his brother was born in 1842 and his sister born in 1844. Samuel's father was also a Samuel Rawlins whose trade was "watch finisher". His mother's name was Mary (?). They were living on Rahere Street at the time of the baptism. I have searched all online English Census records for these people to no avail. There do not seem to be records in the BMD for any of the children mentioned. I have often thought that these may not have been the only children in the family. The one US census record found for my ancestor (1880) states that Samuel Rawlins (Jr) was born in Ireland and his parents were born in England. Where in England is the question!! Samuel Jr left Ireland in 1867 for the US. He worked in the shipping trade for several years in the States before establishing permanent residence in 1875, Samuel obviously returned to England sometime between 1871 and 1872 because there is another passenger record for him leaving Liverpool again in 1872 with a watch maker, James Marshea and his sister, Ellen, from Wolverhampton. Needless to say, James Marshea was the son of a Jeweler/Watchmaker, James D. Marshea who was born in Birmingham but grew up in Clerkenwell. James D. Marshea appears to have been a contemporary of my Samuel Rawlins Sr. and the two may have worked together. The Marshea family also traveled from town to town but can be tracked in the census records. It appears that my Rawlins ancestors traveled to Ireland and back again. I have examined all of the English online directories on Ancestry and on other online sites and find no trace of my family. I have also searched both FMP and Ancestry for birth, marriage and death records for Samuel Sr. and wife Mary. I spent four years working with a researcher in Ireland trying to find a "trace" of these folks. I do think I found a mention of my great great grandfather, Samuel jr. working in Belfast in 1858 in a pawn shop in article found on the new British Newspaper Archive site. Again, I have found no direct information on the family in the Irish sites online. I should say, I have ordered quite a few Birth, Marriage and Death records in hopes of making a connection. I believe that my ancestor, Samuel Rawlins Sr., was one of the "working' poor in the 19th century. Owning no property, working for others, and probably traveling around quite a bit makes him difficult to track. One thing we do know, is that he waited to baptize his children in Islington. There are other Rawlins families in Middlesex and a few earlier records at St. Lukes Old Street for them which might have significance. I am just not certain. Perhaps there are other resources that can be checked at the LMA that would connect the dots? Information for this line of my family has come in bits and pieces. I am hopeful that one day, I will discover just who Samuel and Mary Rawlins were. Thanks for listening again.... Bev W -----Original Message----- From: Caroline Bradford <[email protected]> To: middlesex_county_uk <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2012 11:36 pm Subject: Re: [MDX] London Metropolitan Archives Hi Bev As has already been said, the staff at the LMA are extremely knowledgeable and helpful and the research service is fairly priced. However, to make the most of the time you pay for it is important to have some idea what you are looking for. We are now so used to online sites where most of the material has been transcribed or indexed that it can be a shock to realise that archive staff cannot simply "look up" our ancestors and that a catalogue is just that - a structured list of the holdings, not an index of its contents. I would recommend that you post some details of your puzzle here so that experienced London researchers can offer suggestions about the types of documentary records that may exist to help solve it. Best wishes Caroline > I am wondering if anyone has ever used the research service at LMA? I > have taken a look at catalog but haven't gotten very far. If you have > had experience with using the catalog or the service I would be > interested in your opinion and iinsights (off list if you would like). > I understand that the LMA has a relationship with Ancestry but that > there is much that isn't online at this time. > > Thanks, > > Bev W ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would suggest that if you have found LMA's site unhelpful, then this almost certainly indicates that you could do with some help and advice as to how to get the best from the site. Simply criticising will achieve nothing, however if you could tell the List exactly what it is you are seeking - so far unsuccessfully - then there are many here who can help you. Believe me, LMA has a wealth of records available both on and off line and there is no reason at all why one shouldn't be able to progress back prior to 1837. The whole purpose of this forum is to help but we can only do so given facts and details of what is required. So please tell the kind folk exactly what it is that you have not been able to find and the combined wealth of experience will be able to advise you. Many of us have visited LMA and are familiar with both the online records and those one has to look at in person. Ann Middlesex Admin On 24 Jul 2012, at 15:18, Therese Rich wrote: > I agree with you. The sight is a pain in the neck and I cannot get to > records before ancestors before 1837. They sure screwed it up this time and > want to refer researcher to Ancestry and a lot of that is error also! I too > need MDX > Therese in US >

[email protected] wrote: > Hello, > > I am wondering if anyone has ever used the research service at LMA? > I have taken a look at catalog but haven't gotten very far. If you > have had experience with using the catalog or the service I would > be interested in your opinion and iinsights (off list if you would > like). I understand that the LMA has a relationship with Ancestry > but that there is much that isn't online at this time. Hallo I've used their research service and found it to be very efficient and cost effective. I found it was easier to mail them asking about a particular document for a specific person and giving the information I knew first. Ancestry has agreed with the LMA to digitise the parish registers for Greater London but NOT for Westiminster and the parishes which fall within their scope. FindMyPast has the Westminster parish registers. Ancestry has a substantial number of the parish registers. i don't know if the intention is to digitise any additional documents.

I agree with you. The sight is a pain in the neck and I cannot get to records before ancestors before 1837. They sure screwed it up this time and want to refer researcher to Ancestry and a lot of that is error also! I too need MDX Therese in US -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [MDX] London Metropolitan Archives Hello, I am wondering if anyone has ever used the research service at LMA? I have taken a look at catalog but haven't gotten very far. If you have had experience with using the catalog or the service I would be interested in your opinion and iinsights (off list if you would like). I understand that the LMA has a relationship with Ancestry but that there is much that isn't online at this time. Thanks, Bev W ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I am wondering if anyone has ever used the research service at LMA? I have taken a look at catalog but haven't gotten very far. If you have had experience with using the catalog or the service I would be interested in your opinion and iinsights (off list if you would like). I understand that the LMA has a relationship with Ancestry but that there is much that isn't online at this time. Thanks, Bev W

Hi Jan So do I <g> Unless I am looking for someone outside the UK I always have UK & Ireland ticked But the incoming passenger lists come up under that anyway <G> I did a bare search for just Edwin PEARN (in old search of course) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 23/07/2012 15:51, Jan Rockett wrote: > Nivard, > I am one of those people who is guilty of ticking the records from UK and > Ireland only button!! Guilty as charged > > Jan

Nivard, I am one of those people who is guilty of ticking the records from UK and Ireland only button!! Guilty as charged Jan -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 3:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MDX] Pearn 1911 Incoming passenger lists on Ancestry I thought you had access as you said you had tried there for the 1911 If not let me know and I will send the page Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 23/07/2012 15:05, Jan Rockett wrote: > Nivard you are a star!! where were the SA records please? > > Jan > ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well I don't know :-) I looked at that page and did not see the two daughters, must need new eyes <g> Agree with the names you have (now wheres the map to specsavers :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 23/07/2012 15:13, Jan Rockett wrote: > Nivard, > I have just found them, thanks to you and they did have more children. 2 > girls maybe born over there as I had already looked for siblings on Ancestry > for Edwin Norman and found none. I think it looks like they were named > Madeline C and Norah E. What do you think? > > Jan

Incoming passenger lists on Ancestry I thought you had access as you said you had tried there for the 1911 If not let me know and I will send the page Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 23/07/2012 15:05, Jan Rockett wrote: > Nivard you are a star!! where were the SA records please? > > Jan >

Nivard, I have just found them, thanks to you and they did have more children. 2 girls maybe born over there as I had already looked for siblings on Ancestry for Edwin Norman and found none. I think it looks like they were named Madeline C and Norah E. What do you think? Jan -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 2:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MDX] Pearn 1911 Hi Jan Like you I found no obvious trace of them in 1911 I did not find another birth to that couple, is it possible they went abroad ? Ah...just found them as a family group returning from South Africa in 1914 So suspect they were in SA in 1911 They still only had the one son on their return Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 23/07/2012 12:39, Jan Rockett wrote: > I have been looking on both FMP and Ancestry for the following family and > am > having no luck at all. I have them in all except 1911 Census and thets the > one I need. > I have searched in as many different connotations as I can, and thats > lots!! > They are > Edwin Joseph Pearn, born Sheerness 1875 > Clara Pearn nee Steward born Brightlingsea 1879 > Edwin Norman Steward Pearn born Poplar 1908. > I have looked everywhere. He worked in the Naval shipyards. > The surname has been spelled Pearne and Pern. > > I would appreciate any help I can. > > Good Luck and thanks in anticipation!! > > Jan ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nivard you are a star!! where were the SA records please? Jan -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 2:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MDX] Pearn 1911 Hi Jan Like you I found no obvious trace of them in 1911 I did not find another birth to that couple, is it possible they went abroad ? Ah...just found them as a family group returning from South Africa in 1914 So suspect they were in SA in 1911 They still only had the one son on their return Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 23/07/2012 12:39, Jan Rockett wrote: > I have been looking on both FMP and Ancestry for the following family and > am > having no luck at all. I have them in all except 1911 Census and thets the > one I need. > I have searched in as many different connotations as I can, and thats > lots!! > They are > Edwin Joseph Pearn, born Sheerness 1875 > Clara Pearn nee Steward born Brightlingsea 1879 > Edwin Norman Steward Pearn born Poplar 1908. > I have looked everywhere. He worked in the Naval shipyards. > The surname has been spelled Pearne and Pern. > > I would appreciate any help I can. > > Good Luck and thanks in anticipation!! > > Jan ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jan Like you I found no obvious trace of them in 1911 I did not find another birth to that couple, is it possible they went abroad ? Ah...just found them as a family group returning from South Africa in 1914 So suspect they were in SA in 1911 They still only had the one son on their return Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 23/07/2012 12:39, Jan Rockett wrote: > I have been looking on both FMP and Ancestry for the following family and am > having no luck at all. I have them in all except 1911 Census and thets the > one I need. > I have searched in as many different connotations as I can, and thats lots!! > They are > Edwin Joseph Pearn, born Sheerness 1875 > Clara Pearn nee Steward born Brightlingsea 1879 > Edwin Norman Steward Pearn born Poplar 1908. > I have looked everywhere. He worked in the Naval shipyards. > The surname has been spelled Pearne and Pern. > > I would appreciate any help I can. > > Good Luck and thanks in anticipation!! > > Jan

I have been looking on both FMP and Ancestry for the following family and am having no luck at all. I have them in all except 1911 Census and thets the one I need. I have searched in as many different connotations as I can, and thats lots!! They are Edwin Joseph Pearn, born Sheerness 1875 Clara Pearn nee Steward born Brightlingsea 1879 Edwin Norman Steward Pearn born Poplar 1908. I have looked everywhere. He worked in the Naval shipyards. The surname has been spelled Pearne and Pern. I would appreciate any help I can. Good Luck and thanks in anticipation!! Jan

>From Illustrated London News, October 14, 1843; pg.[241] Issue 76.  Mary TAYLOR , the wife of a coal porter, residing in Bull-inn-court, in the Strand, was indicted for assaulting her step-daughter, a girl about fifteen years of age. -  The prisoner, on the occasion in question, after stripping the girl, beat her severely with a leather strap, at the end of which was an iron buckle.  The jury found her Guilty, and the chairman, after commenting upon the extreme brutality of her conduct, sentenced her to four months' imprisonment in the house of correction, and at the end of that time to find sureties to keep the peace towards the prosecutrix. - The prosecution was instituted by the authorities of the parish of St. Martin-in-the-Fields.

From Illustrated London News, Saturday, September 26, 1846; pg. 199; Issue 230. FATAL ACCIDENT AT A PLEASURE-PARTY ON THE RIVER.  -   On Tuesday morning a fatal and distressing accident occurred on the River Thames, near Battersea.  It appears that four persons hired a small boat at Westminster, for the purpose of proceeding to Richmond for a day's pleasure.  It was observed that the parties did not understand the management of a boat. They, however, arrived safely near Battersea, when they rowed athwart a barge, which was lying at anchor; one of the parties moved from his seat, and the boat immediately capsized, throwing the whole of them into the water.  Two succeeded in grasping the cable, and were rescued by the bargeman.  The other two unfortunate men, named James GASCOINE , aged twenty-four, and George JAMES , aged thirty-two, residing in Clerkenwell-green, almost instantly sank, and were never seen to rise again.  The boat was picked up and conveyed home by a fisherman.