Found the following in RootsIreland.ie: birth/baptism John Hyland born 1833 (+/-) 5 yrs 1832, Co Kilkenny Co Offaly (2) 1834 Co Waterford, Co Tipperary, Co Dublin With a father Thomas but need to purchase 25 credits each to view each of these records. Not sure what it would run me in US dollars. Can anyone elaborate. thanks

1853 Marriage solemnized by ____________________________in the District of Stepney in the County of Middlesex 8th May 1853 John Hyland and Mary Dwyer Father's name and surname Thomas Hyland, laborer, John Dwyer, coke dealer. Married in the __________________________________according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Catholic Church. by me________________________________________ in the presence of JOhn Dwyer and Catherine Hyland. This marriage was solemnized between us, The ward of X John Hyland and the ward of X Mary Dwyer APPLICATION NUMBER R456421 given at the General Register Office

You said in reply to Stellas post :- Stella Stanger wrote: > Hi, The following might be helpful - > http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ www.freebmd.org.uk is a better link. It is more complete and also has the Postems which give additional information not otherwise found in the indices. Ancestry's version stops in about 1916 whilst that on FreeBMD's own site go up to the 1950s now. Neither link take you to Ancestry, both are for freebmd Please try them before replying Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 06/08/2012 14:51, Charani wrote: > Nivard Ovington wrote: >> ??? >> >> Both links take you to freebmd , both are the same content > > How can they have the same content? Ancestry's version of FreeBMD > stops at 1915. FreeBMD's own site is into the 1950s if not later. > > To get passed 1915 on Ancestry, researchers have to pay. > > To get passed 1915 on FreeBMD, researchers don't have to pay - they > simply enter the later dates. >

Nivard Ovington wrote: > ??? > > Both links take you to freebmd , both are the same content How can they have the same content? Ancestry's version of FreeBMD stops at 1915. FreeBMD's own site is into the 1950s if not later. To get passed 1915 on Ancestry, researchers have to pay. To get passed 1915 on FreeBMD, researchers don't have to pay - they simply enter the later dates. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

David Railton wrote: > I had missed something there. I never actually related the Ancestry FreeBMD > to 1915 to THE FreeBMD website as there is not the facility on Ancestry to > enter a spouse name. I had not realised that Ancestry were using FreeBMD > information. It was in exchange for Ancestry part sponsoring FreeBMD's own site. It's that sponsorship deal that has convinced FreeBMD is a part of Ancestry. FreeBMD is part of FreeUK. The other projects are FreeREG for the parish registers and FreeCEN for the censuses. All three use a similar URL. The project name followed by .org.uk For me, FreeBMD beats the commercial sites hands down because I find it's a lot more flexible - oh, and it's free :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

??? Both links take you to freebmd , both are the same content Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 06/08/2012 14:23, Charani wrote: > Nivard Ovington wrote: > >> Stellas post was fine >> >> There is no difference Between http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ And >> www.freebmd.org.uk > > There is a difference as you've noted below, ie Ancestry don't have > the postems and the Ancestry version stops at 1915. > > The freebmd.rootsweb.com address points the FreeBMD's own site. > >> I think you may be assuming one is to Ancestry? > > No, I don't assume (or presume) that at all.

COLEEN COLEMAN wrote: > need to save more money as I need to purchase more credits in order to > view the records I located on Free BDM FreeBMD is free. What do you need credits for? The entries on FreeBMD are an index. There's no more information for births or deaths on any other site. You can only get birth and death details in the form of a certificate. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Nivard Ovington wrote: > Stellas post was fine > > There is no difference Between http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ And > www.freebmd.org.uk There is a difference as you've noted below, ie Ancestry don't have the postems and the Ancestry version stops at 1915. The freebmd.rootsweb.com address points the FreeBMD's own site. > I think you may be assuming one is to Ancestry? No, I don't assume (or presume) that at all. FreeBMD is extending their database but the version of FreeBMD version on Ancestry is not being extended now because Ancestry have the wherewithal to have done their own. Therefore, access to the later GRO indices on Ancestry is only available to those who have a sub, whereas the early FreeBMD ones are available to anyone who has an account. We're both well aware Ancestry had a copy of FreeBMD on condition it remained free of charge to access. Ancestry obviously didn't like giving away access to an extensively used database so they did their own which they could charge for. No problem for anyone with a sub > Ancestry use the same index as freebmd to 1915 but without the > postems as you say but Ancestry have the facility to add > alterations or corrections. Thus there IS a difference between the two. I wonder how many of the postems on FreeBMD site have been added as alterations or corrections to the Ancestry version or added as additional information and vice versa. I've added some to the 19th century FreeBMD transcript but they haven't been added to Ancestry. I found some information recently that could be useful to other researchers, esp since one of the names involved was SMITH, and added it as a Postem on FreeBMD. That information is not on Ancestry though because I don't have a subscription. > 1916 on Ancestry have their own transcript to 1983, 1984 to 2006 > (2005 for marriages) they have the computerised index from the GRO Exactly. Ancestry made their own transcript from the point at which they stop having FreeBMD's. Ancestry was also behind FreeBMD by up to six months. Presumably they have added the missing entries or have otherwise had that section updated. FreeBMD will stop at 1983 partly because the later indices are computerised and partly because the GRO (or HMRC) is wrongly convinced FreeBMD is part of Ancestry and thus part a commerical site. This is despite both Ancestry and FindMyPast, amongst others, who DO have the post 1983 entries! This is also why the GRO won't let FreeBMD have the BMDs to 2012. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

And no doubt paying for the privilege in some way - given that Ancestry is one of the sponsors of both FreeBMD and Rootsweb. At one time the servers on FreeBMD were sooooo slooooow that one could often not get any results, it would time out. Now that problem rarely happens so possibly Ancestry (and others') sponsorship have bought/provided new/better servers. The search facility on the Ancestry FreeBMD version is limited in that one cannot just use a spouse first name with the other spouse full name. But they have a wider use of wildcard options on Ancestry than appears to be available on FreeBMD. Personally I make use of both (and all others too) depending on which site is open on my computer! JK On 6 August 2012 13:57, David Railton <[email protected]> wrote: > I had missed something there. I never actually related the Ancestry FreeBMD > to 1915 to THE FreeBMD website as there is not the facility on Ancestry to > enter a spouse name. I had not realised that Ancestry were using FreeBMD > information. > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charani > Sent: 06 August 2012 12:45 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: [MDX] birth recprds/certificates of birth HYLAND, > DWYER > > David Railton wrote: >> Ancestry does not stop at 1916. Records for births and marriages are >> there for up to 2005 and deaths up to 2006. I often find records on >> Ancestry that I don't see on FeeBMD. However, FreeBMD is sometimes >> better for finding names of spouses on marriage records. > > No, *Ancestry* doesn't stop but their version of FreeBMD does. Has Ancestry > added the Postems to their version of FreeBMD or do they still only appear > on FreeBMD's own site? > > If I can't find an entry on FreeBMD but can on FindMyPast, I'll check to see > if the former has possibly missed it. If they have, I'll report it so it can > be included. They have many images as well which are sometimes worth > checking - if only because they are free :)) > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, > Greinton and Clutton, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in > CAPITAL letters** > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> Birth certificates might have been law but were not prescriptive, I have > over 200 births from all over the country missing certificates from my tree > that appear on baptism or census records. This gets better after 1875. > Also have noticed transcribing burial records that a lot of child > births/deaths were not recorded right up to 10 years of age. This seems very surprising. The odd birth was not registered, but to find - or so not to find -many does suggest to me that all the avenues of alternative spelling. incorect year dating, illegitimate birth, variant name from subsequent marriage to a (second) husband, 'wrong' location etc etc have not been fully explored. Although it was possible to avoid birth registration, casually or deliberately, in cities or remote rural areas, where the vigilance of the registrar slipped, most were keenly watching the change in shape of local ladies, because much of their income depended on numbers of registrations. Deaths of new born infants, even toddlers, may not be observed and the corpse slipped into a relative's coffin, to avoid burial fees, but chikldren up to ten sound dubious - disposing of a fairly large corpse is not at all easy in towns, though possible in rural areas - that is, if nosy neighbours were not watching, as they tended to. Going over these 'missing' entries with the full detective instinct working may prove productive. EVE > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society

I had missed something there. I never actually related the Ancestry FreeBMD to 1915 to THE FreeBMD website as there is not the facility on Ancestry to enter a spouse name. I had not realised that Ancestry were using FreeBMD information. David -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charani Sent: 06 August 2012 12:45 To: [email protected] Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: [MDX] birth recprds/certificates of birth HYLAND, DWYER David Railton wrote: > Ancestry does not stop at 1916. Records for births and marriages are > there for up to 2005 and deaths up to 2006. I often find records on > Ancestry that I don't see on FeeBMD. However, FreeBMD is sometimes > better for finding names of spouses on marriage records. No, *Ancestry* doesn't stop but their version of FreeBMD does. Has Ancestry added the Postems to their version of FreeBMD or do they still only appear on FreeBMD's own site? If I can't find an entry on FreeBMD but can on FindMyPast, I'll check to see if the former has possibly missed it. If they have, I'll report it so it can be included. They have many images as well which are sometimes worth checking - if only because they are free :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Charani Stellas post was fine There is no difference Between http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ And www.freebmd.org.uk I think you may be assuming one is to Ancestry? Ancestry use the same index as freebmd to 1915 but without the postems as you say but Ancestry have the facility to add alterations or corrections 1916 on Ancestry have their own transcript to 1983, 1984 to 2006 (2005 for marriages) they have the computerised index from the GRO Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 06/08/2012 10:52, Charani wrote: > Stella Stanger wrote: >> Hi, The following might be helpful - >> http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > www.freebmd.org.uk is a better link. It is more complete and also has > the Postems which give additional information not otherwise found in > the indices. Ancestry's version stops in about 1916 whilst that on > FreeBMD's own site go up to the 1950s now.

Unfortunately I went to freebmd.org.uk/ and did what it told me to do click on the pair of eye glasses and all it did was brought up the index listing Bridget Hyland where and when she married and where to find said record. What am I doing wrong? I did not find the name of the spouse for this lady. Thanks

I goofed the people I found were Bridget (Hyland) and Malachy TULLY with children of the same name. Wrong people. I have a marriage record for John and Mary Hyland in 1853 giving his parents as Thomas and Catherine Hyland. I feel that these people are indeed my people as they were in England in 1861 census. My people were not in 1860 census for Illinois USA where they settled after coming to the US. Their oldest daughter born 1862 in McLean Co IL, a 2nd daughter born 1863 McLean Co IL, a son James born 1864 McLean Co IL USA. I feel reasonably sure this is my family as I have been working on this line for about 20-25 years trying to find them.

David Railton wrote: > Ancestry does not stop at 1916. Records for births and marriages are there > for up to 2005 and deaths up to 2006. I often find records on Ancestry that > I don't see on FeeBMD. However, FreeBMD is sometimes better for finding > names of spouses on marriage records. No, *Ancestry* doesn't stop but their version of FreeBMD does. Has Ancestry added the Postems to their version of FreeBMD or do they still only appear on FreeBMD's own site? If I can't find an entry on FreeBMD but can on FindMyPast, I'll check to see if the former has possibly missed it. If they have, I'll report it so it can be included. They have many images as well which are sometimes worth checking - if only because they are free :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

I found this on free bmd.org.uk/: John Hyland (son) born 1855 marriage in Middlesex County: Chelsea 1873 pg.405 vol.1a Hackney 1873 pg.776 vol.1b St Geo H Sq 1876 pg.732 vol.1a Kensington 1877 pg.339 vol.1a St Geo H Sq 1893 1a pg 700 One of these has to be the son of my John and Mary Hyland living in 1861 Middlesex with sister Bridget, and children John born 1855 and Margaret born 1859 Margaret Hyland Vol.1c pg.1016 year:1875 I know it is probably not her but only one i found when using same source free bmd.org.uk/ She would have only been age 16 possible yes but not probable

Ancestry does not stop at 1916. Records for births and marriages are there for up to 2005 and deaths up to 2006. I often find records on Ancestry that I don't see on FeeBMD. However, FreeBMD is sometimes better for finding names of spouses on marriage records. David -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charani Sent: 06 August 2012 10:53 To: [email protected] Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: [MDX] birth recprds/certificates of birth HYLAND,DWYER Stella Stanger wrote: > Hi, The following might be helpful - > http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ www.freebmd.org.uk is a better link. It is more complete and also has the Postems which give additional information not otherwise found in the indices. Ancestry's version stops in about 1916 whilst that on FreeBMD's own site go up to the 1950s now. FreeBMD's sister projects can be found at www.freereg.org.uk (parish registers) and www.freecen.org.uk (censuses). Both are, like FreeBMD, volunteer projects and not yet complete. FreeREG has a heck of a long way to go and is great need of more volunteers to do transcriptions. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Caroline Bradford wrote: > Nevertheless, the number of registrations actually went down in 1875 which > may well indicate that the old system was more efficient than the new one. Curious but I'm not surprised. Do you know if the registrations stayed lower after 1875 or was it just a result of not all parents realising they had to register their children or merely being slow to do so thus not doing so in order to avoid a penalty? -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

free bmd.org.uk/ Bridget Hyland 1876 Chelsea Middlesex County Vol 1a pg.474 1877 Chelsea Middlesex County vol 1a pg.377 wonder if one of these could be her or if she married twice within a few mos. say if for example her husband died and she re-married. Hmm need to check out these two marriages as well to see if her parents were Thomas and Catherine Hyland

Adrian Parry wrote: > How could it be compulsory for the parents if they could not be penalised? > As you say, in the early days it was the responsibility of the Registrar to > seek out and deal with the registration! The *registration* of births WAS compulsory. It was just not the *responsibility* of the parents to do the registering to begin with. It didn't make it any less compulsory because they weren't penalised. I see Caroline has said the same thing. If the registrar didn't find the parents and newborn, the parents were supposed to do so. That they didn't may have meant they didn't know/ realise they were supposed to, didn't know where the register office was or believed baptism was registration enough. It may have been the registrar didn't find the newborn and the parents sent an older child to do the registration who didn't actually do so. (My great grandfather had two different birth dates: his real one and the one his sisters registered him with because they'd forgotten the actual date by the time they'd walked from their village to the registrar's office in the next town.) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk