The nearest Google gets to it looks like a Cribbage and Darts league - pub sports. John ________________________________ From: Estelle Daniels <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, 15 September 2012, 7:28 Subject: [MDX] Medallion inscription - slightly off topic Hello Listers,I am wondering if anyone knows what the initials C. W. C. & D. LEAGUE may mean?  They are printed on what may be a silver medallion or it could be the hanging part of a bar type pin.  The initials are imprinted in a semi-circular portion on the top of the "medallion".  In the middle is a raised, almost shield-like portion.  Reaching upwards to the right and left, from a central point at the bottom, going upwards towards the semi-circular part are what looks like laurel or fern leaves.  These are in cut out shapes in the shape of the frond and pressed into the texture of the leaf. On the back is the inscription...draughts J S Cope, 1920. Just wondering if any wise listers would have any ideas on the origin of the medallion;  it's inscription, or it's owner? It has been found in Queensland, Australia, but perhaps it's family origins are in England. Thank you for any help. Estelle                          ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ah, yes I can see it now. Thanks again. What would we do without you! Barbara.

Hi Bonnie I would contact Devon records office to see if they have anything on the school I would also suggest subscribing to the Mariners list and asking there on both the ship and his career <http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Occupations/MARINERS.html> The SS Ballarat was launched in Sept 1911 and was sunk in 1917 http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/viewship.asp?id=15348 I can't see him in 1911 have you found him? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/09/2012 19:50, Bonnie Cole wrote: > Hello Nivard: > > May I ask you a question? Being in Canada I'm not familiar with some of the > boroughs, districts, parish and on and on. But I did receive some > information from Barnardo's that my ancestor attended the Exmouth Naval > School in Devon in 1908 (I wonder if they have some records, do you know?) > and then in November 1911, transferred to the S.S. Ballarat (a P. & O. > vessel) as a Bugler and then totally disappeared. I can't find Ballarat > information either, if they even have records. > > I looked also at the Master's & Mates for him (George Swain born 1895 - no > luck) and then also for Thomas Swain born in 1854 (Pipemaker) he was not > there either and I was hoping this was an opportunity. > > Maybe someone reading this will make a suggestion. > > Thanks, > Bonnie

Brilliant! Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> To: middlesex_county_uk <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:25 Subject: Re: [MDX] New database on Ancestry Masters & Mates certificates 1850 -1927 When you find a hit, try the images before and after it, you will almost certainly find one page with the DOB on it Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/09/2012 15:52, Carolineewalker wrote: > > This new database is great! I have had some hits. :o) > > I just wonder where the date and place of birth comes from as I cant see that it is part of the certificate. Is there more info hidden somewhere?? > > Thank you for pointing out the new database!! > > Caroline ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Barbara I can see two pages for your man, on both I would say the Trade is Coasting (ie Coastal Trade) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/09/2012 19:02, PARIS wrote: > Hello Nivard. > > It's been a joy to use the Masters & Mates certificates 1850 -1927 database on Ancestry. Managed to find one Whitby ancestor, William GOLIGHTLY [1794], and it's been lovely to see his progress from an apprentice age 13, through to Mate then to Master. His last Certificate is at age 64 and looking at the second page it would appear he was hardly on shore. > > As an apprentice age 13, it has his Tade, but I cannot read it, any ideas? Also on his last MC of S in 1858, I cannot make out his employment or trade on that either!!! Help. > > Many thanks again Nivard. > > Barbara.

Hello Nivard. It's been a joy to use the Masters & Mates certificates 1850 -1927 database on Ancestry. Managed to find one Whitby ancestor, William GOLIGHTLY [1794], and it's been lovely to see his progress from an apprentice age 13, through to Mate then to Master. His last Certificate is at age 64 and looking at the second page it would appear he was hardly on shore.  As an apprentice age 13, it has his Tade, but I cannot read it, any ideas? Also on his last MC of S in 1858, I cannot make out his employment or trade on that either!!! Help. Many thanks again Nivard. Barbara. ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Cc: > Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012, 17:22 > Subject: Re: [MDX] New database on Ancestry Masters & Mates certificates 1850 -1927 > > When you find a hit, try the images before and after it, you will almost > certainly find one page with the DOB on it > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >

Thanks very much Nivard. I guess the Devon records office could be found through Google. Wow, there are so many lists and the only lists I know about are at Yahoo, so thanks for that too. I also didn't know that the Ballarat was sunk and that information is good too because someone has come forward claiming they have a George Swain (who was a Bugler on the Ballarat)about the right age but we just can't assume that he is right one. Without DNA, I don't know. I also don't know what a Bugler is, unless a fella that trumpets out the time? Bonnie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 3:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MDX] New database on Ancestry Masters & Mates certificates 1850 -1927 Hi Bonnie I would contact Devon records office to see if they have anything on the school I would also suggest subscribing to the Mariners list and asking there on both the ship and his career <http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Occupations/MARINERS.html> The SS Ballarat was launched in Sept 1911 and was sunk in 1917 http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/viewship.asp?id=15348 I can't see him in 1911 have you found him? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/09/2012 19:50, Bonnie Cole wrote: > Hello Nivard: > > May I ask you a question? Being in Canada I'm not familiar with some of the > boroughs, districts, parish and on and on. But I did receive some > information from Barnardo's that my ancestor attended the Exmouth Naval > School in Devon in 1908 (I wonder if they have some records, do you know?) > and then in November 1911, transferred to the S.S. Ballarat (a P. & O. > vessel) as a Bugler and then totally disappeared. I can't find Ballarat > information either, if they even have records. > > I looked also at the Master's & Mates for him (George Swain born 1895 - no > luck) and then also for Thomas Swain born in 1854 (Pipemaker) he was not > there either and I was hoping this was an opportunity. > > Maybe someone reading this will make a suggestion. > > Thanks, > Bonnie ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When you find a hit, try the images before and after it, you will almost certainly find one page with the DOB on it Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/09/2012 15:52, Carolineewalker wrote: > > This new database is great! I have had some hits. :o) > > I just wonder where the date and place of birth comes from as I cant see that it is part of the certificate. Is there more info hidden somewhere?? > > Thank you for pointing out the new database!! > > Caroline

A sail maker would be extremely unlikely to have either a Mate's or a Master's certificate, so I would not expect to find him on this database. However, as you have a worldwide Ancestry subscription, you can look check for yourself at http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=2271 Anne Soutbh Australia Ann Moore wrote: > That is interesting Nivard. > > I wonder if my great grandfather, a Merchant Seaman, would be included? He was Everard Lynch, a > sail-maker on "West Riding" on the London to Freemantle, Australia run. [An Iron Barque sailing vessel.] > The Master was an M. Thomas. Everards last voyage ended in November 1894 and Everard left the ship in > London, Brentford Docks I think. Later he met and married my great grandmother Keziah Marten. His name was > Everard Lynch from the West Indies [Antigua we think but possibly Jamaica.] > >

Hi Nivard, Having just read your message below, I went to Ancestry and selected the Search all records option. I then selected the country as England and the county as Durham, where some of my family were from and where I have mariner ancestors. Of course, as a result of such a broad search, I got quite a list of subjects to choose from. One of these was Master and Mates certificates 1850-1927, looking at those results shows men from various parts of England & Wales who gained their certificates in County Durham. It is well worth making similar searches to yours and mine using other country names to see what comes up as a result of you have mariner ancestors. My husband has some mariners in the Middlesex area in his ancestry so I am going to try a search for that county too. Thankyou for the tip. Regards Jenny DeAngelis <<Surprised its not been mentioned but the lists are rather quiet at present A quick keyword search for Middlesex gets 6,632 hits About Great Britain, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927 This database contains master and mate certificates issued to merchant seamen by the British Board of Trade. What You May Find in the Records Great Britain has long been known for its maritime prowess in both military and commercial spheres. The certificates and other documents included in this database were issued to merchant seamen who qualified as masters or mates aboard merchant ships. Records include certificates of competency, certificates of service, examination applications, and other documents. Forms vary, but they may include the following details:<<

Hello Nivard: May I ask you a question? Being in Canada I'm not familiar with some of the boroughs, districts, parish and on and on. But I did receive some information from Barnardo's that my ancestor attended the Exmouth Naval School in Devon in 1908 (I wonder if they have some records, do you know?) and then in November 1911, transferred to the S.S. Ballarat (a P. & O. vessel) as a Bugler and then totally disappeared. I can't find Ballarat information either, if they even have records. I looked also at the Master's & Mates for him (George Swain born 1895 - no luck) and then also for Thomas Swain born in 1854 (Pipemaker) he was not there either and I was hoping this was an opportunity. Maybe someone reading this will make a suggestion. Thanks, Bonnie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 5:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MDX] New database on Ancestry Masters & Mates certificates 1850 -1927 Hi all Surprised its not been mentioned but the lists are rather quiet at present A quick keyword search for Middlesex gets 6,632 hits About Great Britain, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927 This database contains master and mate certificates issued to merchant seamen by the British Board of Trade. What You May Find in the Records Great Britain has long been known for its maritime prowess in both military and commercial spheres. The certificates and other documents included in this database were issued to merchant seamen who qualified as masters or mates aboard merchant ships. Records include certificates of competency, certificates of service, examination applications, and other documents. Forms vary, but they may include the following details: name certificate number birth date birthplace issue port issue date address examination date history of service (dates, vessels, occupations, years in service) Some of the information is included on the back of the certificates, and some documents in a seaman's folder have not been indexed, so when you find a record, use the arrows to browse surrounding documents to make sure you see all the records available. You may want to browse through an entire roll since the original folders were sometimes filed in random order. -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jenny One of the good things about Ancestrys search is that you can search for any word or name or place I have found it well worth trying a keyword search for even village names as it may highlight some connected men from the same area as your own , even quite remote places often get a mention And like the WW1 service records it pays to view the images before and after the hit Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/09/2012 14:17, Jenny De Angelis wrote: > Hi Nivard, > > Having just read your message below, I went to Ancestry and selected the > Search all records option. I then selected the country as England and the > county as Durham, where some of my family were from and where I have mariner > ancestors. > > Of course, as a result of such a broad search, I got quite a list of > subjects to choose from. One of these was Master and Mates certificates > 1850-1927, looking at those results shows men from various parts of England > & Wales who gained their certificates in County Durham. > > It is well worth making similar searches to yours and mine using other > country names to see what comes up as a result of you have mariner > ancestors. > > My husband has some mariners in the Middlesex area in his ancestry so I am > going to try a search for that county too. > > Thankyou for the tip. > Regards > Jenny DeAngelis

Hi again Only a quick follow up to say the information on findmypast is a transcript and not terribly information You may need to visit the holder (Kew?) or use a researcher to get more I suspect I wouldn't want you to be disappointed Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > Hi Nivard, > > Yes, I did know the first bits of info but....Wow! I have never heard of the other Vessel Salsette. I think it must be him. The birth date is a bit different but it works out different on his death certificate too. [died age 45 in 1908] Well done! I shall have a look at find my past. > Thanks too for the links to lists, I have not used any them, but have put a lot of info on the Caribbean Surnames index, with no joy so far. I will try the these three lists you sent too. You have given me some hope again, especially as Vessel Salsett says Antigua. > > The family story was that he came from Kingston Jamaica and his birth, worked out from the death certificate, works out at 1863. "West Riding" crew list says, he was born in 1859 in Antigua. [I have a copy of the actual list from the Martime History Archive in Newfoundland.] > > I am lucky that I have photo's of Everard and Keziah, plus their children, but it would be great to break through this brick wall. If the actual crew list exists, there is a fair amount of information on them, which may confirm some of the info on "West Riding" crew list too. > I have also found the house they lived in in 1901, which still exists. 395, Acton Lane. > > Anyway, thanks so much for your input, which is very helpful. > > Best wishes Ann

From: Ann Moore <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012, 13:10 Subject: Re: [MDX] New database on Ancestry Masters & Mates certificates 1850 - 1927 Hi Nivard,   Yes, I did know the first bits of info but....Wow!  I have never heard of the other Vessel Salsette.  I think it must be him.  The birth date is a bit different but it works out different on his death certificate too.  [died age 45 in 1908]  Well done! I shall have a look at find my past. Thanks too for the links to lists, I have not used any them, but have put a lot of info on the Caribbean Surnames index, with no joy so far.  I will try the these three lists you sent too.  You have given me some hope again, especially as Vessel Salsett says Antigua.   The family story was that he came from Kingston Jamaica and his birth, worked out from the death certificate, works out at 1863. "West Riding" crew list says, he was born in 1859 in Antigua. [I have a copy of the actual list from the Martime History Archive in Newfoundland.]   I am lucky that I have photo's of Everard and Keziah, plus their children, but it would be great to break through this brick wall.  If the actual crew list exists, there is a fair amount of information on them, which may confirm some of the info on "West Riding" crew list too. I have also found the house they lived in in 1901, which still exists. 395, Acton Lane.   Anyway, thanks so much for your input, which is very helpful.    Best wishes Ann From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012, 9:19 Subject: Re: [MDX] New database on Ancestry Masters & Mates certificates 1850 - 1927 Hi Ann Everard LYNCH 36 married Keziah MARTIN 24 in 1898 at St George Old Brentford Hounslow He was a Brewery Labourer His father was John LYNCH a Carpenter Hers was John William MARTIN a Laundryman both signed Witnesses Thomas John & Emma Jane EMMERSON I know you probably have all that but for others benefit) On findmypast in the crew lists there is an E LYNCH birth year 1867 Antigua Vessel Salsette This is for the 1890/91 period You might like to join one of the lists for the area and post there unless you already have <http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ATG/ANTIGUA.html> <http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Newsgroup_Gateways/CARIBBEAN.html> <http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Miscellaneous/WEST-INDIES.html> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/09/2012 00:26, Ann Moore wrote: > That is interesting Nivard. > > I wonder if my great grandfather, a Merchant Seaman, would be > included?  He was Everard Lynch,  a sail-maker on "West Riding" on > the London to Freemantle, Australia run. [An Iron Barque sailing > vessel.] The Master was an M. Thomas. Everards last voyage ended in > November 1894 and Everard left the ship in London, Brentford Docks I > think. Later he met and married my great grandmother Keziah Marten. > His name was Everard Lynch from the West Indies [Antigua we think but > possibly Jamaica.] > ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You have to look at the images ahead of and behind the certificate. Most of my ancestors have 4 pages (images) but only the certificate is indexed. Luckily, the records are all contiguous. Joe On 9/14/2012 9:52 AM, Carolineewalker wrote: > This new database is great! I have had some hits. :o) > > I just wonder where the date and place of birth comes from as I cant see that it is part of the certificate. Is there more info hidden somewhere?? > > Thank you for pointing out the new database!!

This new database is great! I have had some hits. :o) I just wonder where the date and place of birth comes from as I cant see that it is part of the certificate. Is there more info hidden somewhere?? Thank you for pointing out the new database!! Caroline -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> To: middlesex_county_uk <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 14:22 Subject: Re: [MDX] New database on Ancestry Masters & Mates certificates 1850 -1927 Hi Jenny One of the good things about Ancestrys search is that you can search for any word or name or place I have found it well worth trying a keyword search for even village names as it may highlight some connected men from the same area as your own , even quite remote places often get a mention And like the WW1 service records it pays to view the images before and after the hit Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/09/2012 14:17, Jenny De Angelis wrote: > Hi Nivard, > > Having just read your message below, I went to Ancestry and selected the > Search all records option. I then selected the country as England and the > county as Durham, where some of my family were from and where I have mariner > ancestors. > > Of course, as a result of such a broad search, I got quite a list of > subjects to choose from. One of these was Master and Mates certificates > 1850-1927, looking at those results shows men from various parts of England > & Wales who gained their certificates in County Durham. > > It is well worth making similar searches to yours and mine using other > country names to see what comes up as a result of you have mariner > ancestors. > > My husband has some mariners in the Middlesex area in his ancestry so I am > going to try a search for that county too. > > Thankyou for the tip. > Regards > Jenny DeAngelis ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ann Everard LYNCH 36 married Keziah MARTIN 24 in 1898 at St George Old Brentford Hounslow He was a Brewery Labourer His father was John LYNCH a Carpenter Hers was John William MARTIN a Laundryman both signed Witnesses Thomas John & Emma Jane EMMERSON I know you probably have all that but for others benefit) On findmypast in the crew lists there is an E LYNCH birth year 1867 Antigua Vessel Salsette This is for the 1890/91 period You might like to join one of the lists for the area and post there unless you already have <http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ATG/ANTIGUA.html> <http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Newsgroup_Gateways/CARIBBEAN.html> <http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Miscellaneous/WEST-INDIES.html> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/09/2012 00:26, Ann Moore wrote: > That is interesting Nivard. > > I wonder if my great grandfather, a Merchant Seaman, would be > included? He was Everard Lynch, a sail-maker on "West Riding" on > the London to Freemantle, Australia run. [An Iron Barque sailing > vessel.] The Master was an M. Thomas. Everards last voyage ended in > November 1894 and Everard left the ship in London, Brentford Docks I > think. Later he met and married my great grandmother Keziah Marten. > His name was Everard Lynch from the West Indies [Antigua we think but > possibly Jamaica.] >

Had a quick look No record of an E Lynch or a M Thomas PS Its Fremantle not Freemantle (or Freo to the local sandgropers), important to note for searches Steven Hollis Senior Metallurgist 1 Sleat Rd, Applecross, Western Australia 6153 M +61 439 951 802 E [email protected] W www.processminerals.com.au Process Minerals International is a subsidiary of Mineral Resources -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ann Moore Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012 7:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MDX] New database on Ancestry Masters & Mates certificates 1850 - 1927 That is interesting Nivard. I wonder if my great grandfather, a Merchant Seaman, would be included? He was Everard Lynch, a sail-maker on "West Riding" on the London to Freemantle, Australia run. [An Iron Barque sailing vessel.] The Master was an M. Thomas. Everards last voyage ended in November 1894 and Everard left the ship in London, Brentford Docks I think. Later he met and married my great grandmother Keziah Marten. His name was Everard Lynch from the West Indies [Antigua we think but possibly Jamaica.] I would dearly love to know more about Everard's life before he settled in London. [Brentford and Acton] I know from the ships crew list, that Everard was promoted to sail-maker, on that last voyage. Sadly the ship was lost the following year on the same route. Thankfully Everard was not on it! I also have his Shipping Federation Registration Ticket, for Thames District issued in 1891 but really don't know what I can gain by having it? West Riding is the only ship I have been able to track down unfortunately. How would I get access to the British Board of Trade, Masters and Mates certificates please? I have been struggling with a brick wall for years. I do have a worldwide subscription for Ancestry. I look forward to your opinion and advice . Many thanks Ann Moore From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2012, 22:18 Subject: [MDX] New database on Ancestry Masters & Mates certificates 1850 - 1927 Hi all Surprised its not been mentioned but the lists are rather quiet at present A quick keyword search for Middlesex gets 6,632 hits About Great Britain, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927 This database contains master and mate certificates issued to merchant seamen by the British Board of Trade. What You May Find in the Records Great Britain has long been known for its maritime prowess in both military and commercial spheres. The certificates and other documents included in this database were issued to merchant seamen who qualified as masters or mates aboard merchant ships. Records include certificates of competency, certificates of service, examination applications, and other documents. Forms vary, but they may include the following details: name certificate number birth date birthplace issue port issue date address examination date history of service (dates, vessels, occupations, years in service) Some of the information is included on the back of the certificates, and some documents in a seaman’s folder have not been indexed, so when you find a record, use the arrows to browse surrounding documents to make sure you see all the records available. 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That is interesting Nivard.    I wonder if my great grandfather, a Merchant Seaman, would be included?  He was Everard Lynch,  a sail-maker on "West Riding" on the London to Freemantle, Australia run. [An Iron Barque sailing vessel.] The Master was an M. Thomas. Everards last voyage ended in November 1894 and Everard left the ship in London, Brentford Docks I think. Later he met and married my great grandmother Keziah Marten. His name was Everard Lynch from the West Indies [Antigua we think but possibly Jamaica.]   I would dearly love to know more about Everard's life before he settled in London. [Brentford and Acton] I know from the ships crew list, that Everard was promoted to sail-maker, on that last voyage. Sadly the ship was lost the following year on the same route. Thankfully Everard was not on it!    I also have his Shipping Federation Registration Ticket, for Thames District issued in 1891 but really don't know what I can gain by having it? West Riding is the only ship I have been able to track down unfortunately.   How would I get access to the British Board of Trade, Masters and Mates certificates please?  I have been struggling with a brick wall for years.  I do have a worldwide subscription for Ancestry.   I look forward to your opinion and advice .  Many thanks Ann Moore From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2012, 22:18 Subject: [MDX] New database on Ancestry Masters & Mates certificates 1850 - 1927 Hi all Surprised its not been mentioned but the lists are rather quiet at present A quick keyword search for Middlesex gets 6,632 hits About Great Britain, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927 This database contains master and mate certificates issued to merchant seamen by the British Board of Trade. What You May Find in the Records Great Britain has long been known for its maritime prowess in both military and commercial spheres. The certificates and other documents included in this database were issued to merchant seamen who qualified as masters or mates aboard merchant ships. Records include certificates of competency, certificates of service, examination applications, and other documents. Forms vary, but they may include the following details:     name     certificate number     birth date     birthplace     issue port     issue date     address     examination date     history of service (dates, vessels, occupations, years in service) Some of the information is included on the back of the certificates, and some documents in a seaman’s folder have not been indexed, so when you find a record, use the arrows to browse surrounding documents to make sure you see all the records available. You may want to browse through an entire roll since the original folders were sometimes filed in random order. -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all Surprised its not been mentioned but the lists are rather quiet at present A quick keyword search for Middlesex gets 6,632 hits About Great Britain, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927 This database contains master and mate certificates issued to merchant seamen by the British Board of Trade. What You May Find in the Records Great Britain has long been known for its maritime prowess in both military and commercial spheres. The certificates and other documents included in this database were issued to merchant seamen who qualified as masters or mates aboard merchant ships. Records include certificates of competency, certificates of service, examination applications, and other documents. Forms vary, but they may include the following details: name certificate number birth date birthplace issue port issue date address examination date history of service (dates, vessels, occupations, years in service) Some of the information is included on the back of the certificates, and some documents in a seaman’s folder have not been indexed, so when you find a record, use the arrows to browse surrounding documents to make sure you see all the records available. You may want to browse through an entire roll since the original folders were sometimes filed in random order. -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)