According to http://maps.familysearch.org/ it would be St Mary Hornsey Anne South Australia Patricia L wrote: > Can any one help please? > I have an address in London - Ossian Rd. Hornsey London > Which Parish would serve that area? > Thank you very much > Pat

At 08:53 AM 30/09/2012, Patricia L wrote: >Can any one help please? >I have an address in London - Ossian Rd. Hornsey London >Which Parish would serve that area? Hi Pat This should solve your problem. <http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/Hornsey/HornseyHistory.html>http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/Hornsey/HornseyHistory.html Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz

Further... The court records show a life sentence for George COKER aged 15 for manslaughter on August 12. So it's highly likely the earlier transportation records I referenced are for the same person.

I see a George COKER convicted at CCC in 1839 arriving at Port Arthur on the Runnymede in 1840. However, his sentence was listed as life. He is also listed as receiving a third class pass in 1846 and a ticket of leave in 1849. there's a record of a George COKER marrying a Bridget FOY in 1856 and dying in Tasmania in 1881. They are reported to have 2 children George b 1859 and Elizabeth b 1861. I can't find supporting evidence for this though.

Well, wouldn't it be interesting to know what became of the lad COKER.... ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 4:49 AM Subject: [MDX] COKER appeal, after killing of Moses GATES (1839 ) > From Jackson's Oxford Journal ( Oxford, England ), Saturday, September > 28,1839; Issue 4509. > > Petitions have been presented to Government for commutation of sentence > on the lad COKER , convicted at the Central Criminal Court of > manslaughter of Moses GATES , fishmonger, at Uxbridge, and sentenced to > 15 years' transportation, but Lord NORMANBY "sees no reason for > advising her Majesty to grant any mitigation," Noble Secretary > adding, "that should the convict at a future time, from good conduct > in the colony to which he may be sent, merit the recommendation and > approbation of the Governor thereof, he will then be ready to consider > the case with a view to some mitigation of the sentence." > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in > CAPITAL letters** > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From Jackson's Oxford Journal ( Oxford, England ), Saturday, September 28,1839; Issue 4509.  Petitions have been presented to Government for commutation of sentence on the lad COKER , convicted at the Central Criminal Court of manslaughter of Moses GATES , fishmonger, at Uxbridge, and sentenced to 15 years' transportation, but Lord NORMANBY  "sees no reason for advising her Majesty to grant any mitigation,"  Noble Secretary adding,  "that should the convict at a future time, from good conduct in the colony to which he may be sent, merit the recommendation and approbation of the Governor thereof, he will then be ready to consider the case with a view to some mitigation of the sentence."

From Jackson's Oxford Journal ( Oxford, England ), Saturday, September 28,1839; Issue 4509.  A skeleton found Friday week in sewer under Essex-street, Strand, identified as remains of Mr. R. STOTHARD , pearl and diamond setter, of Clerkenwell-green  ---  deceased missing since April, and his relatives deposed that he was in the habit of drinking, and, when intoxicated, had extraordinary disposition to conceal himself in dark places  --- he had been confined three times under aberration of intellect  --- verdict accordingly. 

Possibly Holy Trinity, Stroud Green, or the Catholic Church of St Peter in Chains. Sue On 29 September 2012 23:53, Patricia L <[email protected]> wrote: > Can any one help please? > I have an address in London - Ossian Rd. Hornsey London > Which Parish would serve that area? > Thank you very much > Pat > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in > CAPITAL letters** > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Can any one help please? I have an address in London - Ossian Rd. Hornsey London Which Parish would serve that area? Thank you very much Pat

>From Jackson's Oxford Journal, Saturday, July 23, 1814; Issue 3196.  BERKSHIRE ASSIZES. GALLINI , Esq.  v.  Sir Edward PERROTT .  -  An action for criminal conversation with the plaintiff's wife.  The parties were brothers-in-law, having married two daughters of the late Colonel BAYLEY of the West Middlesex Militia.  The plaintiff had several children by his wife, but in consequence of religious disputes ( he being a Roman Catholic and she a Protestant ) it was admitted that they had not lived happily together.  He had taken a house at Reading sometime in 1811, but had left it in March, 1812, leaving Mrs. GALLINI and Lady PERROTT together there, the latter having come on a visit to her sister.  In a fortnight afterwards Sir Edward PERROTT made his appearance.  During this time the intercourse, which was the foundation of the action, took place.  This intercourse was proved to be of that nature as, in the opinion of the Learned Judge, left no doubt of the act of adultery.  Verdict for plaintiff, damages 500 pounds.

Hi Ellen, Thomas was born in 1841, (at sea) and his parents were born about 1820 (Barbara) and between 1810-1820 (Robert). Barbara was born in Ireland, but I haven't got a birthplace for Robert. At his son's baptism in October 1841, Robert's occupation was policeman, but I don't know whether he stayed in the police. In 1904 Thomas's eldest son went to the US, and wrote home from Tennessee. I don't know whether this could be an indication that he visited Tennessee because his father had been there ? One of his children was born there in 1904 and named "Washington George Cecil SMITH", as Washington was the place where he was born. I was rather hoping it might be possible to track the family on a census - but it would be like them to have visited between censuses!! Thank you for your interest. Jeanette > Jeannette - do you have any ages for these people to help us narrow the > search? > Unfortunately, we're not just up against a very common surname and > forenames, so unless he was here when a census was taken or perhaps worked > and appears in a city directory, it may be impossible. > > > Ellen > Virginia USA > > > > > Up till now I've had no experience with US records at all, being under the > impression that none of my ancestors ever went there. But, I've just found > a > letter from my elusive Thomas William Portland SMITH in which he states > that > "the happiest three years of my life were spend in the United States..." . > I've got no idea which part of the US he means, but the era would have > been > during > 1841-1860 approximately. > > Can anyone on the list give me any ideas about where to start searching? > It's likely that he went there with his parents, Robert & Barbara SMITH, > who > were Irish. The last address I have for them is Stepney, London in 1841. > I > realise that Smith somewhere in the US is a big ask!! > > Jeanette > >

Hello Jeanette, His death is on N.Z. Govt Internal Affairs Births, Deaths and Marriages on Line, where you can order the death certificate if you wish. 1907/7851 Smith Thomas William Portland age 67 years Norma Johnson

Can someone give me the address for what you are talking about please - I seem to have missed the previous message. Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012 7:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [MDX] New database on Ancestry Masters & Mates certificates 1850 - 1927 Hi all Surprised its not been mentioned but the lists are rather quiet at present A quick keyword search for Middlesex gets 6,632 hits About Great Britain, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927 This database contains master and mate certificates issued to merchant seamen by the British Board of Trade. What You May Find in the Records Great Britain has long been known for its maritime prowess in both military and commercial spheres. The certificates and other documents included in this database were issued to merchant seamen who qualified as masters or mates aboard merchant ships. Records include certificates of competency, certificates of service, examination applications, and other documents. Forms vary, but they may include the following details: name certificate number birth date birthplace issue port issue date address examination date history of service (dates, vessels, occupations, years in service) Some of the information is included on the back of the certificates, and some documents in a seaman's folder have not been indexed, so when you find a record, use the arrows to browse surrounding documents to make sure you see all the records available. You may want to browse through an entire roll since the original folders were sometimes filed in random order. -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Up till now I've had no experience with US records at all, being under the impression that none of my ancestors ever went there. But, I've just found a letter from my elusive Thomas William Portland SMITH in which he states that "the happiest three years of my life were spend in the United States..." . I've got no idea which part of the US he means, but the era would have been during 1841-1860 approximately. Can anyone on the list give me any ideas about where to start searching? It's likely that he went there with his parents, Robert & Barbara SMITH, who were Irish. The last address I have for them is Stepney, London in 1841. I realise that Smith somewhere in the US is a big ask!! Jeanette

As a point of historical fact, Ellis Island opened on January 1, 1892 and functioned until 1954. Unhappily, points of entry to the USA before Ellis Island were numerous, both on the east and west coasts, and cities on the Great Lakes. Try zeroing in on passenger lists for ships leaving Liverpool, which was the major emigration port during the Irish potato famine. Good hunting! Bill Jones. On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 7:43 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Up till now I've had no experience with US records at all, being under the > impression that none of my ancestors ever went there. But, I've just found a > letter from my elusive Thomas William Portland SMITH in which he states that > "the happiest three years of my life were spend in the United States..." . I've > got no idea which part of the US he means, but the era would have been during > 1841-1860 approximately. > > Can anyone on the list give me any ideas about where to start searching? It's > likely that he went there with his parents, Robert & Barbara SMITH, who were > Irish. The last address I have for them is Stepney, London in 1841. I realise > that Smith somewhere in the US is a big ask!! > > Jeanette > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 09/23/2012 07:43 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Up till now I've had no experience with US records at all, being under the > impression that none of my ancestors ever went there. But, I've just found a > letter from my elusive Thomas William Portland SMITH in which he states that > "the happiest three years of my life were spend in the United States..." . I've > got no idea which part of the US he means, but the era would have been during > 1841-1860 approximately. > > Can anyone on the list give me any ideas about where to start searching? It's > likely that he went there with his parents, Robert & Barbara SMITH, who were > Irish. The last address I have for them is Stepney, London in 1841. I realise > that Smith somewhere in the US is a big ask!! > > Jeanette > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > You might start with the Federal Census of 1850: http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=8054 if they were in a residence or hotel, they would have been recorded there was (I believe also a census in 1860). If there it would give you a location. The probability, since they were visiting, would be East Coast; New York, Boston Philadelphia and points between. You may also find this site useful: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/histus.html -- */Mick/*

Hello Jeannette, I was able to locate some of my ancestors by going to the Ellis Island website as, at that time, most immigrants were processed through Ellis Island. I did find some records, but then I was not trying to check out the name of Smith! Also, many immigrants from England went to Canada and entered the U.S. at the border. Do hope you can find something - good luck. Joyce from Islington, London.

Jeannette - do you have any ages for these people to help us narrow the search? Unfortunately, we're not just up against a very common surname and forenames, so unless he was here when a census was taken or perhaps worked and appears in a city directory, it may be impossible. Ellen Virginia USA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 7:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MDX] US records. Up till now I've had no experience with US records at all, being under the impression that none of my ancestors ever went there. But, I've just found a letter from my elusive Thomas William Portland SMITH in which he states that "the happiest three years of my life were spend in the United States..." . I've got no idea which part of the US he means, but the era would have been during 1841-1860 approximately. Can anyone on the list give me any ideas about where to start searching? It's likely that he went there with his parents, Robert & Barbara SMITH, who were Irish. The last address I have for them is Stepney, London in 1841. I realise that Smith somewhere in the US is a big ask!! Jeanette ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jeanette, I couldn't find anything on ancestry for the U.S. but did find several trees with the following Thomas William Portland SMITH son of Robert and Barbara born May 15, 1841 at sea - possibly at the port in Ireland, or on the way to India or on the ocean in Indonesia baptised St Thomas, Stepney Oct 7, 1841, father a policeman (image on ancestry) Emigrated to New Zealand, married 1872 and died in 1907 in New Zealand. I am presuming this is yours given the exact names and dates. If you would like more let me know and I'll put you in touch with the tree owners.   Paul Eggleton ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 4:43 PM Subject: [MDX] US records. Up till now I've had no experience with US records at all, being under the impression that none of my ancestors ever went there. But, I've just found a letter from my elusive Thomas William Portland SMITH in which he states that "the happiest three years of my life were spend in the United States..." . I've got no idea which part of the US he means, but the era would have been during 1841-1860 approximately. Can anyone on the list give me any ideas about where to start searching? It's likely that he went there with his parents, Robert & Barbara SMITH, who were Irish. The last address I have for them is Stepney, London in 1841.  I realise that Smith somewhere in the US is a big ask!! Jeanette ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Again - Just did a Google Search for Thomas William Portland SMITH - perhaps the following is your interest http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,285078.0/prev_next,prev.html http://www.dreamwork.co.nz/FamilyHistory/TheSmithsofKaitaia/tabid/2535/Default.aspx http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.smith/47080/mb.ashx?pnt=1 http://www.smithsworldwide.org/tng/getperson.php?personID=I23955&tree=tree1 http://www.id.mundia.com/id/Person/6497629/-74016819 http://www.otago.ac.nz/historyarthistory/nzic/immigrants/s.html Hi Always important to enter Surname of Interest in Capital letters on the subject line. You have a letter from Thomas William Portland SMITH stating that these were the happiest 3 years of his life. When was the letter dated? - Is there any location mentioned. Is it possible that Thomas William Porland SMITH - retuerned home ? Do you know if his parents also went to the USA ? If not - perhaps some information among their papers - may give more information. Their Obituaries if published in that time frame. Search Family Search Org - online Ancestry for the USA - may be helpful. In Canada some of our Public libraries subscribe to ancestry - with access to all . perhaps the same in the U.K. ? Cheers, Stella name: Thomas William Portland Smith gender: Male baptism/christening date: 07 Oct 1841 baptism/christening place: SAINT THOMAS,STEPNEY,LONDON,ENGLAND father's name:<https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JQBW-JG8>Robert Smith mother's name:<https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JQBW-JGD>Barbara indexing project (batch) number:<https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1//search/records/index#count=20&query=+batch_number:C06788-1>C06788-1 system origin: England-ODM source film number: 597931 At 04:43 PM 23/09/2012, you wrote: >Up till now I've had no experience with US records at all, being under the >impression that none of my ancestors ever went there. But, I've just found a >letter from my elusive Thomas William Portland SMITH in which he states that >"the happiest three years of my life were spend in the United >States..." . I've >got no idea which part of the US he means, but the era would have been during >1841-1860 approximately. > >Can anyone on the list give me any ideas about where to start searching? It's >likely that he went there with his parents, Robert & Barbara SMITH, who were >Irish. The last address I have for them is Stepney, London in 1841. I realise >that Smith somewhere in the US is a big ask!! > >Jeanette > >************************************** >Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM >AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > >**MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES >in CAPITAL letters** > >List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message