I agree with what you are saying. I also know that important people in our history are being eliminated from the history books. The two that come to mind is Joe Hill and now Ceasar Chavez (this is happening in TX). Our children and grandchildren are being denied our history. Dorothea In a message dated 7/24/2009 8:07:10 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, christelmarlene@sbcglobal.net writes: I agree with you, John, you have the constitutional right to speak your mind. The current governor is no friend to genealogists, or history buffs for that matter, regardless of political party affiliation. You most certainly earned the right to speak out by fighting for the good old USA during WWII. It is the soldier who gave us our freedom, not some reporter, as the poem goes. We need to protect and preserve our history, not relegate it to some government committee, where history might be re-written. As Patrick Henry stated famously...."Give me liberty, or give me death!" Our ancestors fought for freedom. That means freedom to speak one's mind. George Santayana said "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." How can we learn from history if our libraries aren't protected? Norman Cousins said " A library, to modify the famous metaphor of Socrates, should be the delivery room for the birth of ideas- a place where history comes to life." We need our libraries. Michigan library might be first, what is next, our local libraries? Very bad precedence. Christel Member of Michigan Mayflower Society Member of Michigan Daughters of the American Revolution ________________________________ From: John Long <longjohn144@gmail.com> To: brandal <wintertime@netonecom.net> Cc: Robert J. DeMott <bobdemott@hotmail.com>; mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com; Kenny Long <greatwhite1116@yahoo.com>; mary rathbun <upnorthishome@yahoo.com> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 5:04:47 PM Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] WHEN WRITING TO ELECTED OFFICIALS ABOUT THELIBRARY... To all my friends in MI, Sorry if I ruffled anyone's feathers. I'm thinking of my genealogical forefathers in the Continental Congress …what would they think abt the deterioration of the "freedom of speech" issue now… after all these years. Let's look at the American Constitution and the Bill of Rights, again. For those who don't know where to look… I suggest you go to your local LIBRARY… don't you know. There may be some passages that could prove of interest. And those wonderful people… the librarian folks …are only too willing to help you. Don't think for one minute I'm not concerned abt my beloved MI. From 1942 to 1946, I was on the beaches in the Pacific… from Guadalcanal to Saipan. Why? I believe it was to keep the enemy from MI …and also, to protect my "freedom of speech" don't you see. I don't intend to beat the issue any further. Just had to make my statement. Believe I earned to right to do so. Will now retreat back again… back to the hiding generation. Bye! John E Long Member Society of Mayflower Descendants Member of Sons of the American Revolution Etc…………… On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:15 PM, brandal <wintertime@netonecom.net> wrote: > I am so with you. That Michigan's problems will be gone come next year. I > can't wait. She is destroying MI. She is cutting things she shouldn't even > be touching and yet her and friends live in the lap of luxury. (sp). She > needs to cut spending right there in her own office and leave everything > else alone. > > I will call the sexton of Marion again. He hasn't called me back yet. > > Vivian > > Kevin would probably call anyone kook if it exposes them. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Long" <longjohn144@gmail.com> > To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "Kenny Long" <greatwhite1116@yahoo.com>; "Irvin C Rabideau" < > icr@waterford.lib.mi.us> > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:17 AM > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] WHEN WRITING TO ELECTED OFFICIALS ABOUT > THELIBRARY... > > > > What Kevin O'Brien tells you is not just some idle rambling from "a kook > in California." I am somewhat surprised that one of us homo sapiens would > take the time to speak the truth concerning one of the problems in our > political system. In a few more months, our problem in Lansing will leave > office… and we may be lucky in the next office holder who, hopefully, will > have a more realistic set of priorities. > > I'm a Floridian, now. Escaped from Michigan a few yrs back. May return > …if "the economic climate" ever gets better. Incidentally, I hold 3 college > degrees, plus a lotta post-grad work …just in case you think me a "kook in > Florida." …but, I still may be …may have to think abt that. > > Concerning libraries …all of us should realize that they are the best > source of education for all of us …especially the underprivileged and near > poverty stricken children… our future leaders. Politicians should take note > of this fact …if they really care. > > John > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Kevin O'Brien <kevinobrien8527@cox.net > >wrote: > > Dear Friends, >> Unfortunately I live in California so other than offering some advice I >> am powerless to help much, but I am sharing what I know about political >> efforts and getting the attention of your elected officials. >> When writing or contacting any elected official, remember they receive >> hundreds of submissions every day regarding different subjects. In order >> to >> make their work easier and streamline the volume they receive, they use a >> quiet algorythm that is worked against some mathematical formula regarding >> the populous of their district and state to determine the worth of all >> contacts andthe level of risk a politician has if they do not give the >> particular issue public attention. In a nutshell here is how it works: >> >> When they receive E-MAIL contacts they are bundled into sheer numbers >> alone >> and aside from an automatically generated letter back to the sender, >> LITTLE >> IF ANY REVIEW takes place as they are LOWEST in vote risk worth. >> >> ONLINE PETITIONS ARE ALMOST ALWAYS INNEFECTIVE AND ARE GENERALLY IGNORED >> ALTOGETHER, because there is no way to verify the sender, their location >> in >> the elected official's district and they are almost always in an improper >> format. >> >> LETTERS WRITTEN USING YOUR COMPUTER that are NOT boiler plate outlines >> drafted by someone else, rate higher on the vote risk scale. >> >> HAND TYPED LETTERS ON A TYPEWRITER, rate even higher on the vote risk >> scale >> but not by much, but they show a direct effort by the writer. Pretty >> goofy, >> eh? >> >> TELEPHONE CALLS are attention getters too, but in the end all they do is >> count the numbers and compare them against the population at large. Rarely >> is a call ever returned by anyone but an office pogue. >> >> THE MOST EFFECTIVE TYPE OF CORRESPONDENCE that will almost always get to >> them or at least their Chief or Staff are HANDWRITTEN letters in BLUE INK >> (more personal than business black) on PERSONAL STATIONERY like grandma >> uses >> when she writes a letter to you. In the formula they have established that >> a >> single handwritten letter in this manner potentially translates to >> thousands >> of potential votes at risk, or even higher based upon the population. I >> don't get it either. >> >> I know this whole thing sounds goofy and you are free to shake your head >> and dismiss it as just babble from some kook from California, but I work >> for >> an elected official and have worked on several campaigns for public >> positions. Please focus your efforts and use the economy of your forces >> to >> make the biggest impact! 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I THOUGHT THIS LIST WAS FOR GENEALOGY, NOT ESPOUSING YOUR FAVORITE BRAND OF POLITICS. Peggy On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 12:52 AM, <Dw819@aol.com> wrote: > I agree with what you are saying. I also know that important people in > our history are being eliminated from the history books. The two that > come > to mind is Joe Hill and now Ceasar Chavez (this is happening in TX). > Our children and grandchildren are being denied our history. > Dorothea > > > In a message dated 7/24/2009 8:07:10 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > christelmarlene@sbcglobal.net writes: > > I agree with you, John, you have the constitutional right to speak your > mind. The current governor is no friend to genealogists, or history buffs > for that matter, regardless of political party affiliation. You most > certainly earned the right to speak out by fighting for the good old USA > during > WWII. It is the soldier who gave us our freedom, not some reporter, as > the > poem goes. > > We need to protect and preserve our history, not relegate it to some > government committee, where history might be re-written. > > As Patrick Henry stated famously...."Give me liberty, or give me death!" > Our ancestors fought for freedom. > That means freedom to speak one's mind. > > George Santayana said "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to > repeat it." How can we learn from history if our libraries aren't > protected? > > Norman Cousins said " A library, to modify the famous metaphor of > Socrates, should be the delivery room for the birth of ideas- a place > where history > comes to life." We need our libraries. Michigan library might be first, > what is next, our local libraries? Very bad precedence. > > Christel > Member of Michigan Mayflower Society > Member of Michigan Daughters of the American Revolution > > > > ________________________________ > From: John Long <longjohn144@gmail.com> > To: brandal <wintertime@netonecom.net> > Cc: Robert J. DeMott <bobdemott@hotmail.com>; mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com; > Kenny Long <greatwhite1116@yahoo.com>; mary rathbun > <upnorthishome@yahoo.com> > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 5:04:47 PM > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] WHEN WRITING TO ELECTED OFFICIALS ABOUT > THELIBRARY... > > To all my friends in MI, > > Sorry if I ruffled anyone's feathers. I'm thinking of my genealogical > forefathers in the Continental Congress …what would they think abt the > deterioration of the "freedom of speech" issue now… after all these years. > Let's look at the American Constitution and the Bill of Rights, again. For > those who don't know where to look… I suggest you go to your local > LIBRARY… > don't you know. There may be some passages that could prove of interest. > And > those wonderful people… the librarian folks …are only too willing to help > you. > > Don't think for one minute I'm not concerned abt my beloved MI. From 1942 > to > 1946, I was on the beaches in the Pacific… from Guadalcanal to Saipan. > Why? > I believe it was to keep the enemy from MI …and also, to protect my > "freedom > of speech" don't you see. > > I don't intend to beat the issue any further. Just had to make my > statement. > Believe I earned to right to do so. Will now retreat back again… back to > the > hiding generation. Bye! > > John E Long > Member Society of Mayflower Descendants > Member of Sons of the American Revolution > Etc…………… > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:15 PM, brandal <wintertime@netonecom.net> > wrote: > > > I am so with you. That Michigan's problems will be gone come next year. > I > > can't wait. She is destroying MI. She is cutting things she shouldn't > even > > be touching and yet her and friends live in the lap of luxury. (sp). > She > > needs to cut spending right there in her own office and leave everything > > else alone. > > > > I will call the sexton of Marion again. He hasn't called me back yet. > > > > Vivian > > > > Kevin would probably call anyone kook if it exposes them. > >