I certainly don't want to wade into any political talk BUT I do want to thank you all for being so positive about your Libraries. I happen to work at the Vancouver Public Library in Vancouver British Columbia. Susan > From: mi-genealogy-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: MI-GENEALOGY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 177 > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:08:04 -0600 > > > > ***************************** > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > ***************************** > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Portage South Cemetery (Swgrinder@aol.com) > 2. Re: Portage South Cemetery (Carol Lloyd) > 3. Re: Ways to Save the State of Michigan Library (BACON) > 4. Re: Ways to Save the State of Michigan Library (Peggy Youngs) > 5. Re: Ways to Save the State of Michigan Library (Jan Cortez) > 6. Bacon Family History (Althea Blackburn) > 7. Re: Ways to Save the State of Michigan Library (John Long) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:35:25 EDT > From: Swgrinder@aol.com > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Portage South Cemetery > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <c19.5c2b1afe.379deddd@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Carol, > > You can visit our Kalamazoo County, Mi; Cemeteries on the Web website. We > have the South Cemetery (aka Portage South Cemetery) indexed with > photographs. > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mikccem/ > > Scott > Project Founder > > > Subj: [MI-GENEALOGY] Portage South Cemetery > > Date: 7/26/2009 11:43:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time > > From: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk > > Reply-to: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > > Sent from the Internet > > > > > > > > > > Hi listers, > > I was wondering if anyone has any information about the above cemetery? > > Is it in Kalamazoo? > > My relative is buried there. > > Regards, > > Carol > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Windows Live Messenger: Happy 10-Year Anniversary?get free winks and > > emoticons. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/ > > ***************************** > > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. 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We > > have the South Cemetery (aka Portage South Cemetery) indexed with > > photographs. > > > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mikccem/ > > > > Scott > > Project Founder > > > > > Subj: [MI-GENEALOGY] Portage South Cemetery > > > Date: 7/26/2009 11:43:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time > > > From: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk > > > Reply-to: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > > > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > > > Sent from the Internet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi listers, > > > I was wondering if anyone has any information about the above cemetery? > > > Is it in Kalamazoo? > > > My relative is buried there. > > > Regards, > > > Carol > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Windows Live Messenger: Happy 10-Year Anniversary?get free winks and > > > emoticons. > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/ > > > ***************************** > > > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. 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Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. > > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > > ***************************** > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live Messenger: Celebrate 10 amazing years with free winks and emoticons. > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 14:35:48 -0400 > From: "BACON" <dogon@iserv.net> > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Ways to Save the State of Michigan Library > To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <AE5E3FAFEA764030847A16F12E3CFA7F@D33R7CD1> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I'm not against the idea, but... > > doesn't it run contrary to the concept of a public library, as proposed by > Benjamin Franklin? Nevertheless, so many services have already gone the > way of "user fee", it may become the only way to preserve the services for > those who wish to have them available, even if they may become unaffordable > to the indigent. > > F. Bacon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathy Londo Barnes" <digginroots@yahoo.com> > To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> > Sent: July 26, 2009 10:14 AM > Subject: [MI-GENEALOGY] Ways to Save the State of Michigan Library > > > > We already pay parking. We already pay for copies. Why not pay a minute > > entrance fee to the facilities? Yes, I know our taxes already support the > > running of the library, archives and the museum. However, I'd gladly pay a > > dollar or two to walk into the library. It might help pay for the > > electricity that's running the computers that are used by those who don't > > have one at home. That dollar or two would be taken from everyone who > > walks in. Walk into the archives-pay your dollar or two. It's cheap > > entertainment (for someone like me who really enjoys such things it's > > entertaining....) Same with the museum. I have to pay to walk into any > > other museum in the state, why not? > > > > Said my piece. > > > > Kathy Londo Barnes > > Let's Save our Library!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > ***************************** > > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect > > others by keeping your postings to this theme. > > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > > ***************************** > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:29:37 -0400 > From: Peggy Youngs <peggy.youngs@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Ways to Save the State of Michigan Library > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <2b2a40b60907261229t49e975a9j9fa580a928a42d1@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > If one wants to use any of the materials in the closed stacks at the Detroit > Public Library, such as those in the Burton Historical Collection, you must > be a resident of the City of Detroit to access those materials without > charge. > Non-Detroit residents are assessed a $10.00 per day fee or $100.00 per > year charge. > > I do not think that "pay to play" at the Library of Michigan is against the > concept > of a public library. When I wrote to my representative, I posed the idea of > a > purchased library card to him. > > Peggy > > On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 2:35 PM, BACON <dogon@iserv.net> wrote: > > > I'm not against the idea, but... > > > > doesn't it run contrary to the concept of a public library, as proposed by > > Benjamin Franklin? Nevertheless, so many services have already gone the > > way of "user fee", it may become the only way to preserve the services for > > those who wish to have them available, even if they may become unaffordable > > to the indigent. > > > > F. Bacon > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:46:25 -0400 > From: "Jan Cortez" <janacortez@charter.net> > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Ways to Save the State of Michigan Library > To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <5386F7BB8FE841D38123F9A92C3E6D65@jan3b6d78105b3> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I guess that I have mixed feelings about this. Go figure..... Myself > personally, I wouldn't object to paying a fee of a couple dollars for the > use of the Library of Michigan. It's kind of like where I live. I am > restricted to a local rural library that is so small I may have more books > at home in my own library than they do. That is where the penal fines go > and also the ones supported by local government, etc.., etc. If I want to > go into town, which is just as close, I have to pay a $25.00 a year fee for > a library card and the ability to check out books. <sigh> > > What I don't like about the charging of fees for entrance is that the family > who may be living on minimum wage, if they are lucky, or the unemployed > families that want to take their child to the Library of Michigan and can't > afford the fee are out of luck. We talk so much about families and doing > things with our children, but, government is making it so restrictive that > the poor family can't even take their children to a State park without > paying a daily or yearly fee to enter. It just isn't right. > > I live close to Ferris State University and I watch them build, remodel and > tear down older buildings, that look pretty darn good to me, and I wonder > where the money comes from for that? Grants, probably. But, why are they > building when the economy is so bad in MI and fewer and fewer people can > afford to send their children to college. Seems like that money could be > used to better service the residents and the children of this State by > saving our History and preserving it right where we have it. > > Moving the materials from the Library of MI would entail a great deal of > cost and then to remodel the Library for other uses. I'd like to see what > the cost savings would really be in the end... Probably wouldn't be any. > > What is the solution? I really don't know. They can't add another fee on to > the smoker, as we have taxed them to death in this State as it is. Maybe > eliminate the border police for out of state cigarette buying? I wonder how > much that costs? How about the drinker? More tax on alcohol to support the > library? Both of those leave it to certain segments of the population that > have to pay for everything it seems. > > I once saw an article written in to the Grand Rapids Press where some one > advocated putting a tax on TP, as everyone uses it. <g> > > Now, I think that I am going to go hide before Pat, my Co-Coordinator of > this list moderates me and she probably will. > > Jan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peggy Youngs" <peggy.youngs@gmail.com> > > > > If one wants to use any of the materials in the closed stacks at the > > Detroit > > Public Library, such as those in the Burton Historical Collection, you > > must > > be a resident of the City of Detroit to access those materials without > > charge. > > Non-Detroit residents are assessed a $10.00 per day fee or $100.00 per > > year charge. > > > > I do not think that "pay to play" at the Library of Michigan is against > > the > > concept > > of a public library. When I wrote to my representative, I posed the idea > > of > > a > > purchased library card to him. > > > > Peggy > > > > On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 2:35 PM, BACON <dogon@iserv.net> wrote: > > > >> I'm not against the idea, but... > >> > >> doesn't it run contrary to the concept of a public library, as proposed > >> by > >> Benjamin Franklin? Nevertheless, so many services have already gone the > >> way of "user fee", it may become the only way to preserve the services > >> for > >> those who wish to have them available, even if they may become > >> unaffordable > >> to the indigent. > >> > >> F. Bacon > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:37:02 -0600 > From: "Althea Blackburn" <xanadune@collinscom.net> > Subject: [MI-GENEALOGY] Bacon Family History > To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <7DACA358A1B845D2994008D59BBC948D@LloydPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Sorry to send a personal message, but it failed trying to email F. Bacon who > sent the last message below, I have a Bacon family from Jackson Co, MI I am > working on, the first known ancestor is from England, if you connect, please > contact me, thanks, Althea > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BACON" <dogon@iserv.net> > To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 12:35 PM > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Ways to Save the State of Michigan Library > > > > I'm not against the idea, but... > > > > doesn't it run contrary to the concept of a public library, as proposed by > > Benjamin Franklin? Nevertheless, so many services have already gone the > > way of "user fee", it may become the only way to preserve the services for > > those who wish to have them available, even if they may become > > unaffordable > > to the indigent. > > > > F. Bacon > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:07:52 -0400 > From: John Long <longjohn144@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Ways to Save the State of Michigan Library > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <277540fb0907261507s2397a271k4d96985c18e69269@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Dear Jan, > A couple days ago, I swore that I would retreat back to the "hiding > generation" and not get involved anymore in this discussion? but I just have > to say "this abt that"? with due respect to the memory of JFK. From reading > your written words of wisdom ?and reading into those words? things you leave > unexpressed? I see (or at least sincerely believe) you have a good grasp of > the situation existing in the real world of ?do I dare say it? MI political > economy. I agree with you 99.99% in what you say. But, it all depends on > whose ox is being gored?don't you know. > Incidentally, I do have a lot of GENEALOGICAL and Historical data on the > Joseph Kennedy Family ?from my Master's thesis research? that I was going to > leave to the Library of Michigan, on passing ?but now, I can't go ?don't you > see. > John > > On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Jan Cortez <janacortez@charter.net> wrote: > > > I guess that I have mixed feelings about this. Go figure..... Myself > > personally, I wouldn't object to paying a fee of a couple dollars for the > > use of the Library of Michigan. It's kind of like where I live. I am > > restricted to a local rural library that is so small I may have more books > > at home in my own library than they do. That is where the penal fines go > > and also the ones supported by local government, etc.., etc. If I want to > > go into town, which is just as close, I have to pay a $25.00 a year fee for > > a library card and the ability to check out books. <sigh> > > > > What I don't like about the charging of fees for entrance is that the > > family > > who may be living on minimum wage, if they are lucky, or the unemployed > > families that want to take their child to the Library of Michigan and > > can't > > afford the fee are out of luck. We talk so much about families and doing > > things with our children, but, government is making it so restrictive that > > the poor family can't even take their children to a State park without > > paying a daily or yearly fee to enter. It just isn't right. > > > > I live close to Ferris State University and I watch them build, remodel and > > tear down older buildings, that look pretty darn good to me, and I wonder > > where the money comes from for that? Grants, probably. But, why are they > > building when the economy is so bad in MI and fewer and fewer people can > > afford to send their children to college. Seems like that money could be > > used to better service the residents and the children of this State by > > saving our History and preserving it right where we have it. > > > > Moving the materials from the Library of MI would entail a great deal of > > cost and then to remodel the Library for other uses. I'd like to see what > > the cost savings would really be in the end... Probably wouldn't be any. > > > > What is the solution? I really don't know. They can't add another fee on > > to > > the smoker, as we have taxed them to death in this State as it is. Maybe > > eliminate the border police for out of state cigarette buying? I wonder > > how > > much that costs? How about the drinker? More tax on alcohol to support > > the > > library? Both of those leave it to certain segments of the population that > > have to pay for everything it seems. > > > > I once saw an article written in to the Grand Rapids Press where some one > > advocated putting a tax on TP, as everyone uses it. <g> > > > > Now, I think that I am going to go hide before Pat, my Co-Coordinator of > > this list moderates me and she probably will. > > > > Jan > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peggy Youngs" <peggy.youngs@gmail.com> > > > > > > > If one wants to use any of the materials in the closed stacks at the > > > Detroit > > > Public Library, such as those in the Burton Historical Collection, you > > > must > > > be a resident of the City of Detroit to access those materials without > > > charge. > > > Non-Detroit residents are assessed a $10.00 per day fee or $100.00 per > > > year charge. > > > > > > I do not think that "pay to play" at the Library of Michigan is against > > > the > > > concept > > > of a public library. When I wrote to my representative, I posed the idea > > > of > > > a > > > purchased library card to him. > > > > > > Peggy > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 2:35 PM, BACON <dogon@iserv.net> wrote: > > > > > >> I'm not against the idea, but... > > >> > > >> doesn't it run contrary to the concept of a public library, as proposed > > >> by > > >> Benjamin Franklin? Nevertheless, so many services have already gone > > the > > >> way of "user fee", it may become the only way to preserve the services > > >> for > > >> those who wish to have them available, even if they may become > > >> unaffordable > > >> to the indigent. > > >> > > >> F. Bacon > > > > ***************************** > > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. 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