Hi I did some figuring and my Henry would have been 71 years old in 1917 So this is probably not him.He and his wife are listed in passenger and passport list as coming toHancock michigan in 1904 from Finland with children but they are not named. I thought my great grandmother Johanna Karppinen Fraki came with him but she was married in Hancock Michigan in 1902 so that cant be .she was already here. I find no record of Henry born 1846 in any census records . I cant find them at the Elis Island site. and I can find no record of Johanna in any passenger or passport lists.So I dont know when or how or if she came with someone. Also I can find no record of her Husband Isaac Fraki in any passenger passport or ships records coming from Finland I did find one that he was on the Cymric from liverpool to New York but cant find it at Ellis Island site. Anyway to make a long story short ( I know to late) I do not know how my great grandmother Johanna came to USA or how her Father Henry came exactly or where he went after he got here except that it was in Hancock or that area. Also I did find a Jacob fraki In ellis Island records. Wrong name ,age was a few years off but It was the SS Cymric and the right year.Jacob is a big change from Isaac and his middle name was William Robin > It probably means he was a Boarder at 87 Frenchtown > bds=board and 87=house number and the Frenchtown is most likely the > Street. > Anyone else have any ideas for Robin? > Pamela Cutway > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <rob710@juno.com> > To: <MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 12:31 PM > Subject: [MI-Genealogy] Finnish lutheran book printer > > > > Hi > > I just found this listing in the Hancock polk directory 1916-1917 > My > > great great grandfather was Henry Karppinen . What is the finnish > > Lutheran Book Concern. where can I find one and where was > Frenchtown what > > dose bds 87 mean .As his age is not listed I do not know for sure > if this > > my Henry but I would like to find out more > > Robin > > > > Karppinen Henry, printer Finnish Lutheran Book Concern, bds 87 > Frenchtown > > > > > > ==== MI-GENEALOGY Mailing List ==== > > MI-Genealogy Subscribe and Unsubscribe Instructions > > Administrator Contacts, Rules and Guidelines > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/maillist.html > > > > ============================== > > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > > > > ==== MI-GENEALOGY Mailing List ==== > MIGenWeb. Michigan Genealogy. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/ > Locate resources, browse counties, search and contribute to special > projects. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > >

Your ancestors could of entered through Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: <rob710@juno.com> To: <MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [MI-Genealogy] Karppinen finnish book printer > > Hi > I did some figuring and my Henry would have been 71 years old in 1917 So > this is probably not him.He and his wife are listed in passenger and > passport list as coming toHancock michigan in 1904 from Finland with > children but they are not named. I thought my great grandmother Johanna > Karppinen Fraki came with him but she was married in Hancock Michigan in > 1902 so that cant be .she was already here. I find no record of Henry > born 1846 in any census records . I cant find them at the Elis Island > site. and I can find no record of Johanna in any passenger or passport > lists.So I dont know when or how or if she came with someone. > Also I can find no record of her Husband Isaac Fraki in any passenger > passport or ships records coming from Finland I did find one that he was > on the Cymric from liverpool to New York but cant find it at Ellis Island > site. > Anyway to make a long story short ( I know to late) I do not know how my > great grandmother Johanna came to USA or how her Father Henry came > exactly or where he went after he got here except that it was in Hancock > or that area. > Also I did find a Jacob fraki In ellis Island records. Wrong name ,age > was a few years off but It was the SS Cymric and the right year.Jacob is > a big change from Isaac and his middle name was William > Robin >> It probably means he was a Boarder at 87 Frenchtown >> bds=board and 87=house number and the Frenchtown is most likely the >> Street. >> Anyone else have any ideas for Robin? >> Pamela Cutway >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <rob710@juno.com> >> To: <MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 12:31 PM >> Subject: [MI-Genealogy] Finnish lutheran book printer >> >> >> > Hi >> > I just found this listing in the Hancock polk directory 1916-1917 >> My >> > great great grandfather was Henry Karppinen . What is the finnish >> > Lutheran Book Concern. where can I find one and where was >> Frenchtown what >> > dose bds 87 mean .As his age is not listed I do not know for sure >> if this >> > my Henry but I would like to find out more >> > Robin >> > >> > Karppinen Henry, printer Finnish Lutheran Book Concern, bds 87 >> Frenchtown >> > >> > >> > ==== MI-GENEALOGY Mailing List ==== >> > MI-Genealogy Subscribe and Unsubscribe Instructions >> > Administrator Contacts, Rules and Guidelines >> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/maillist.html >> > >> > ============================== >> > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> > >> > >> >> >> ==== MI-GENEALOGY Mailing List ==== >> MIGenWeb. Michigan Genealogy. >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/ >> Locate resources, browse counties, search and contribute to special >> projects. >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> >> >> > > > ==== MI-GENEALOGY Mailing List ==== > MI-Genealogy Subscribe and Unsubscribe Instructions > Administrator Contacts, Rules and Guidelines > http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/maillist.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

At 6:23 PM -0500 12/3/04, rob710@juno.com wrote: >Hi >I did some figuring and my Henry would have been 71 years old in 1917 So >this is probably not him. Why not? People did live that long. You might see if you can find Lutheran church records (since according to your city directory entry, he printed Lutheran books). Also, printers tend to leave a paper trail, so look for books published by the "Lutheran Book Concern" or whatever it was called. Maybe there's some history of him or his family as publishers. Also, try getting a Michigan death record for him. They start in 1867. Start with the year he disappears from the city directory. He might have been Henrik or Heiki or something close to Henry. (Usually these just list country of origin, but you never know, they might name a city or town.) Look at Michigan Archives site, they have some of the naturalization indices online. Look by county. >1902 so that cant be .she was already here. I find no record of Henry >born 1846 in any census records . I cant find them at the Elis Island >site. and I can find no record of Johanna in any passenger or passport >lists.So I dont know when or how or if she came with someone. I suggest you use Stephen Morse's Ellis Island search tool on http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/ if you haven't already. Try the white form for non-jewish passengers. Your search can include the year and ship name if you want. I find an Anna Karpinen in 1902, a Johanna Karvonen in 1902, and Johanna Karhunen in 1900, all Finnish, though none of these says anything about heading for Michigan. I don't know how old your Johanna might be, but one of these could be her. Look at the age, destination, and person going to meet in the U.S. Carolyn -- Carolyn Ybarra Family Research Services 1017 El Camino Real, #332 Redwood City, CA 94063 ybarra@FamilyResearchServices.com http://www.genealogypro.com/family-research-services.html Researching SOUTHWELL (MA 1600s, CT 1700s, VT 1790-1810, NY 1800-1840, MI 1836 - present) BUSKE (MI and IL 1872-) EIGHMEY (NY 1800s) BISHOP (CT 1700s, NY 1800-1850) McKEE, MAGEE (NY 1800-1840, MI 1836-) ABBOTT (NY?, MI 1836-) WENDROW (NY 1900's) FULTERMAN/FUTTERMAN (NY 1900's) SOBEL (NY, NJ 1920-)