In a message dated 6/12/2009 8:47:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bbffrrpp@comcast.net writes: << By the way, Asa and Maria ("Betsey??") KIDDER had a 3rd child, Edna C. KIDDER, b1839. She seems to have never married and was a teacher. She is found living with her parents in Paw Paw in 1870 and 1880 >> Edna's death certificate found on Library of Michigan's 'Seeking Michigan' site > _http://haldigitalcollections.cdmhost.com/seeking_michigan/discover_item_vie wer.php?CISOROOT=/p129401coll7&CISOPTR=224345&search=CISOOP1%3Dany%26CISOFIE LD1%3DCISOSEARCHALL%26CISOROOT%3Dall%26CISOBOX1%3Dkidder%26search-button.x%3 D45%26search-button.y%3D13%26CISOSTART%3D1%2C61&search_position=72_ (http://haldigitalcollections.cdmhost.com/seeking_michigan/discover_item_viewer.php? CISOROOT=/p129401coll7&CISOPTR=224345&search=CISOOP1=any&CISOFIELD1=CISOSEAR CHALL&CISOROOT=all&CISOBOX1=kidder&search-button.x=45&search-button.y=13&CIS OSTART=1,61&search_position=72) Edna Clinette Kidder b. 31 Oct 1839 New York, d. 10 Aug 1905 Paw Paw, Van Buren Co., Michigan. Single. Age at death 65 yrs 9 mos 10 days father: Asa Kidder b. NY mother: Betsey Burbank b. NH Jean C. Michigan

In a message dated 6/12/2009 8:47:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bbffrrpp@comcast.net writes: << By the way, Asa and Maria ("Betsey??") KIDDER had a 3rd child, Edna C. KIDDER, b1839. She seems to have never married and was a teacher. She is found living with her parents in Paw Paw in 1870 and 1880 >> Edna's death certificate found on Seaking Michigan > _http://haldigitalcollections.cdmhost.com/seeking_michigan/discover_item_vie wer.php?CISOROOT=/p129401coll7&CISOPTR=224345&search=CISOOP1%3Dany%26CISOFIE LD1%3DCISOSEARCHALL%26CISOROOT%3Dall%26CISOBOX1%3Dkidder%26search-button.x%3 D45%26search-button.y%3D13%26CISOSTART%3D1%2C61&search_position=72_ (http://haldigitalcollections.cdmhost.com/seeking_michigan/discover_item_viewer.php? CISOROOT=/p129401coll7&CISOPTR=224345&search=CISOOP1=any&CISOFIELD1=CISOSEAR CHALL&CISOROOT=all&CISOBOX1=kidder&search-button.x=45&search-button.y=13&CIS OSTART=1,61&search_position=72) Edna Clinette Kidder b. 31 Oct 1839 New York, d. 10 aig 1905 Paw Paw, Van Buren Co., Michgian. Single. Age at death 65 yrs 9 mos 10 days father: Asa Kidder b. NY mother: Betsey Burbank b. NH Jean C. Michigan

Hello, I've spent a week working on a "KIDDER family" mystery. I started it a couple years ago and am working on it again. It involves 2 Joseph KIDDER "teens" who were cousins, and both seem to have fought in the Revolutionary War as teens. One was Joseph, son of Francis, of MA, and the other, Joseph, Jr., of NH. The problem is that one seems to have died in Saratoga, NY, in 1777, and one seems to have survived and went to Temple, NH, to marry and have children. The "KIDDER book" says that it was Joseph, son of Francis, who survived and moved to Temple where he married Huldah STILES in 1795. And, very little is known about Joseph, Jr., "of Temple." I've gone over all my notes this week, and my "hunch" is that the researchers in the 1800's confused the 2 boys and that it was Joseph, Jr., who married Huldah. To get to the Michigan part of the story, Joseph and Huldah KIDDER had 6 children who survived, 3 sons and 3 daughters. Their first son, Asa KIDDER, married in NY to Maria BURBANK. Asa and Maria KIDDER were probably in NY State for a while, but they seem to have moved to Michigan at some point. Their first child, George KIDDER, died as a teen in NY in 1850. Their 2nd child, Stella KIDDER, married in 1862 in NY to James M. SERVOSS. But, the "KIDDER book" says that James and Stella SERVOSS lived in Marshall, Calhoun Co., MI. I checked census data last night, and I found the couple in Paw Paw, Van Buren, MI, in 1870. And, Asa and Betsey KIDDER, are living beside them. The book says that James and Stella SERVOSS had twins in 1806, George and Bessie. But in 1870 there was only George. But, in 1880, there is George, 13, and a younger sister, Bessie, 6. I couldn't find this family in 1900 - anywhere, including the SERVOS spelling. I was wondering if anyone knows anything about this family. One tidbit of information which would help me to find out which Joseph KIDDER back in NH died in 1777 and which one married Hulda - is finding the corrent name of Asa KIDDER's father. By the way, Asa and Maria ("Betsey??") KIDDER had a 3rd child, Edna C. KIDDER, b1839. She seems to have never married and was a teacher. She is found living with her parents in Paw Paw in 1870 and 1880. Asa is listed as a wagon maker. Betty (near Lowell, MA) (on Lists for 8 years; now an Administrator of 8 Lists, including CAN-USA-Migration) FYI: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/1255/1255.htm There is much discussion on the Lists about "Geocities" closing down. If you go to Yahoo's home page, you should be able to find the latest information on that. George Kidder in FL is working on getting his web site to another place !

Dear Cecelia, Thank you for you kind message. I hate to see someone's family pics being for sale like that but I know if I don't buy them and they may just get thrown away and I can't stand for that to happen when there are family out there looking for anything on their ancestors and they might just be theirs. I would hope someone would find pics of my family would retrieve them. Usually they don't charge much for the pics so isn't any big deal there. But just like to find the family they belong too. Thank you again for your kind words. vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cecelia K Parks" <ckparks54@yahoo.com> To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 6:41 PM Subject: [MI-GENEALOGY] Recovered pictures Thank you Vivian for posting your article about the found pictures. They are not my relatives, but I just discovered that a desk drawer of such treasures were left behind during the sale of the family farm in the 1960's. The last name was WAISANEN and the farm was Rt. 2 Daggett, Menominee County, MI. I sure wish someone had those papers that were disregarded so many years ago. Thanks for being so kind. Cecelia ________________________________ From: brandal <wintertime@netonecom.net> To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 2:29:19 PM Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] George Washington Hi, This is for anyone who has ancestors living in MI. In the Mecosta co. or surrounding areas. We were at a yard sale yesterday in Big Rapids and I found a scrap book that they were selling and found four pictures in the book. Didn't know why they were selling them unless they found them a house that they bought. The first picture looks to be about maybe in the very late 1800's to the early 1900's as the dresses are knee length. There is a log cabin behind them with a barn next to it. There is two men and two women with a child about 3or 4 years of age. and on the back is written grandpa and grandma Benkerski or Benherski and Aunt Hattie, Vernon or Veron, Char Slakajlys. It is hard to read the writting so maybe actually spelled differently. Two of the other pics are senior pictures one of Tom Stefonek 1964 and Bernard Schulz graduate 1949. And the last picture is a group pic of Rhinelander's Junior High School Band. Class of 1949/1950. If anyone who maybe related to these families please let me know and I will give you the pictures. I did not want them to get throw out as so many do. Sorry that this is so long. Vivian Brandal ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. MI-Genealogy Mail List Information http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html ***************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. MI-Genealogy Mail List Information http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html ***************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

thanks to all the replies If you want to feel rich, just count all the things you have that money can't buy. > From: wintertime@netonecom.net > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 01:26:04 -0500 > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Recovered pictures > > hi, > > well i have lived all my live in MI and learn something new everyday. I > thought there was a Monroe co. but couldn't remember. > vivian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <RCook96444@aol.com> > To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:08 PM > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Recovered pictures > > > > Vivian, > > > > From the Michigan map, Monroe is located in Monroe County, Michigan, > > bordering Ohio and north of Toledo. > > > > Ralph Cook > > Meridian, Idaho > > > > *************************************** > > > > > > In a message dated 6/3/2009 2:20:42 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > > wintertime@netonecom.net writes: > > > > Peni, > > > > My best guess would be in Lansing at the vital records or maybe where > > they > > do the licensing. Or maybe even the county where he would have set up > > shop. > > I'm not sure right off hand what county Monroe is in could possibly be > > Wayne co. > > > > I live in MI and I am not really sure but that would be my best guess. > > Maybe > > someone else out there would have a better idea. But thought that might > > help. > > > > Vivian > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "PENI ANDREWS" <plandrews@msn.com> > > To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 7:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Recovered pictures > > > > > >> > >> Im looking for info on Shoups, my grandfather and grandmother lived in > >> Monroe, he was a Barber there for many years, any one know how I might > > get > >> a copy of his barbers license? > >> > >> also how do you get Christening certificates, if your not sure of the > >> religion > >> > >> > >> > >> Texas cuz > >> > >> Peni > >> > >> > >> > >> If you want to feel rich, just count all the things you have that money > >> can't buy. > >> > >> > >> > >>> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:41:30 -0700 > >>> From: ckparks54@yahoo.com > >>> To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > >>> Subject: [MI-GENEALOGY] Recovered pictures > >>> > >>> Thank you Vivian for posting your article about the found pictures. > > They > >>> are not my relatives, but I just discovered that a desk drawer of such > >>> treasures were left behind during the sale of the family farm in the > >>> 1960's. The last name was WAISANEN and the farm was Rt. 2 Daggett, > >>> Menominee County, MI. I sure wish someone had those papers that were > >>> disregarded so many years ago. Thanks for being so kind. > >>> > >>> Cecelia > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> From: brandal <wintertime@netonecom.net> > >>> To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > >>> Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 2:29:19 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] George Washington > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> This is for anyone who has ancestors living in MI. In the Mecosta co. > >>> or > >>> surrounding areas. We were at a yard sale yesterday in Big Rapids and > > I > >>> found a scrap book that they were selling and found four pictures in > >>> the > >>> book. > >>> Didn't know why they were selling them unless they found them a house > >>> that > >>> they bought. > >>> The first picture looks to be about maybe in the very late 1800's to > >>> the > >>> early 1900's as the dresses are knee length. > >>> There is a log cabin behind them with a barn next to it. > >>> There is two men and two women with a child about 3or 4 years of age. > > and > >>> on > >>> the back is written grandpa and grandma Benkerski or Benherski and > >>> Aunt > >>> Hattie, Vernon or Veron, Char Slakajlys. It is hard to read the > > writting > >>> so > >>> maybe actually spelled differently. > >>> Two of the other pics are senior pictures one of Tom Stefonek 1964 and > >>> Bernard Schulz graduate 1949. > >>> And the last picture is a group pic of Rhinelander's Junior High School > >>> Band. Class of 1949/1950. > >>> If anyone who maybe related to these families please let me know and I > >>> will > >>> give you the pictures. I did not want them to get throw out as so many > >>> do. > >>> Sorry that this is so long. > >>> > >>> Vivian Brandal > >>> > >>> ***************************** > >>> The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please > > respect > >>> others by keeping your postings to this theme. > >>> MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > >>> http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > >>> ***************************** > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ***************************** > >>> The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. 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thanks, we did have a John Shoup in our line, think his wifes name was Mary, thanks again Peni If you want to feel rich, just count all the things you have that money can't buy. > Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 02:40:47 -0700 > From: psinjun@yahoo.com > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MI-GENEALOGY] 832931.52348.qm@web45009.mail.sp1.yahoo.com > > The spelling of Jack's last name is Schaupp. It was a sad day when the bakery closed. It was centrally placed in the small town of Clio where I grew up. My parents and grandparents were friends of the Schaupp family. My grandmother was a life-long friend of Margaret Schaupp beginning when they were both girls in St. Charles. > > > Penny Langworthy Saintjohn > > > Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:58:03 -0700 (PDT) > From: Robert Surbrook <rbrtsrbrk@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Recovered pictures > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <832931.52348.qm@web45009.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > The Shoup family had a Bakery in St. Charles,Michigan,(Saginaw county )in the 1930s.Their son Jack (John) Shoup later had a Bakery in Clio Michigan(Genesee County)in the 1970,s I last saw Jack in Jackensovill FL. at the Mayo Clinic in the early 1980s I did not know them, > only in passing., > Hope this is of some help. > > Bob & Marilyn Surbrok > > > > ***************************** > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > ***************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat, I forgive you! John On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Pat<ddshepherds@yahoo.com> wrote: > John, > > Thank you, I am sorry I jumped into your message about your Florence. > > Pat > > --- On Sun, 6/7/09, John Long <longjohn144@gmail.com> wrote: > > > From: John Long <longjohn144@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Correction to all > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > Date: Sunday, June 7, 2009, 2:23 PM > > > You did clear it up, Pat > I am no longer confused. > The world is right side up again. > I can relax. > > John > > On 6/7/09, Pat <ddshepherds@yahoo.com> wrote: >> I am very sorry if I might of stepped on any ones toes but I am looking for >> any information on Florence Sanford Bolde born abt 1899.  She had a daughter >> named Lenora Bolde. >> >> Lenora would ob been my second cousin.  She was born abt 1918. >> >> Thanks again and I hope I cleaned up the confusion. >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> ***************************** >> The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect >> others by keeping your postings to this theme. >> MI-Genealogy Mail List Information >> http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html >> ***************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ***************************** > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > ***************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ***************************** > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > ***************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You did clear it up, Pat I am no longer confused. The world is right side up again. I can relax. John On 6/7/09, Pat <ddshepherds@yahoo.com> wrote: > I am very sorry if I might of stepped on any ones toes but I am looking for > any information on Florence Sanford Bolde born abt 1899.  She had a daughter > named Lenora Bolde. > > Lenora would ob been my second cousin.  She was born abt 1918. > > Thanks again and I hope I cleaned up the confusion. > > Pat > > > > ***************************** > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect > others by keeping your postings to this theme. > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > ***************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

John,   Thank you, I am sorry I jumped into your message about your Florence.   Pat --- On Sun, 6/7/09, John Long <longjohn144@gmail.com> wrote: From: John Long <longjohn144@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Correction to all To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, June 7, 2009, 2:23 PM You did clear it up, Pat I am no longer confused. The world is right side up again. I can relax. John On 6/7/09, Pat <ddshepherds@yahoo.com> wrote: > I am very sorry if I might of stepped on any ones toes but I am looking for > any information on Florence Sanford Bolde born abt 1899.  She had a daughter > named Lenora Bolde. > > Lenora would ob been my second cousin.  She was born abt 1918. > > Thanks again and I hope I cleaned up the confusion. > > Pat > > > > ***************************** > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect > others by keeping your postings to this theme. > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > ***************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. MI-Genealogy Mail List Information http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html ***************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am very sorry if I might of stepped on any ones toes but I am looking for any information on Florence Sanford Bolde born abt 1899.  She had a daughter named Lenora Bolde.   Lenora would ob been my second cousin.  She was born abt 1918.   Thanks again and I hope I cleaned up the confusion.   Pat

Back in April, Bella asked if someone could look up the the death notice of W.J. Jones. In case no one has replied, here you go: JONES, WILLIAM J. 4720 Bristol Age 66, died Thursday morning at the home. He was a resident of Lansing and vicinity for 15 years, coming here from Detroit. For the last 9 years, Mr. Jones was an accountant for the Michigan department of revenue and from 1919 to 1929 was the owner and teacher of Douglas Business college in Uniontown, Pa. Surviving are the widow, Sarah; 2 daughters, Mrs. Betty King and Mrs. Anna M. Sproat, both of Lansing; 2 brothers, Joseph R. Jones of Seattle, James M. Jones of Kansas,and 2 grandchildren. Funeral services will be held at 2:30 p.m. Saturday at the Estes Leadley Colonial chapel with Rev. Jack Kline officiating and interment in Deepdale cemetery. [Lansing State Journal, Jan. 19, 1956, pg. 54.]

John The Florence Sanford info is not for you That lady replied to the info that was meant for you Susan Michigan In a message dated 6/6/2009 9:18:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, longjohn144@gmail.com writes: Gail, Was this meant to be sent to me? I am deeply involved in searching for all the given name people you mention… but not a Sanford. That's probably the only surname I don't have in my family tree… but thanks for thinking abt me, anyway… John E Long On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 10:39 PM, <gigitulsaok@cox.net> wrote: > On Ancestry: > Canadian births 1901 > Florence Irene Sanford born Aug 8 1901 > Father: William Ezra Sanford > Mother: Bertha Kelly > Hope this helps. > Gail > > > ---- Pat <ddshepherds@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Thanks but no, Florence Sanford's parents were either George Edward William Sanford or William Sanford and Bertha. Some one said Bertha's maiden name was Foster. I have not confirmed that as of yet. > > Thanks again > Pat > > --- On Fri, 6/5/09, SCIGSC@aol.com <SCIGSC@aol.com> wrote: > > > From: SCIGSC@aol.com <SCIGSC@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Lost cousin > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > Date: Friday, June 5, 2009, 12:49 PM > > John > > Were Florence's parents Bernard and Jennie? > I found one marriage record > > Marriage date: 07 Jun 1925 > Marriage place: Lake City, Missaukee, Michigan > > Bride name: Florence Ermins Miller > Bride birth year: 1907 > Bride age: 18 years > Bride birth place: Cadillac, Mich. > Father of bride name: Bernard Miller > Mother of bride name: Jennie Long > > Groom name: Kenneth Elwood Scott > Groom birth year: 1902 > Groom age: 23 years > Groom birth place: Marion, Mich. > Father of groom name: Adelbert Scott > Mother of groom name: Frances Leach > > Good Luck > Susan L. Warner > Michigan > > replying to this message > In a message dated 6/5/2009 9:08:26 A.M., longjohn144@gmail.com writes: > I am searching for any info on a cousin. > All I have is name: Florence E Miller, > b. 1908, Cadillac, Wexford Co, MI. > Was married and had at least one dau. > Any data at all would be appreciated. > John > ***** **************We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld’ diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml cntnew00000007)

I think it was for Pat but not sure if they are who she is looking for, but a possibility. Gail ---- John Long <longjohn144@gmail.com> wrote: > Gail, > Was this meant to be sent to me? I am deeply involved in searching for > all the given name people you mention… but not a Sanford. That's > probably the only surname I don't have in my family tree… but thanks > for thinking abt me, anyway… > John E Long > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 10:39 PM, <gigitulsaok@cox.net> wrote: > > On Ancestry: > > Canadian births 1901 > > Florence Irene Sanford born Aug 8 1901 > > Father: William Ezra Sanford > > Mother: Bertha Kelly > > Hope this helps. > > Gail > > > > > > ---- Pat <ddshepherds@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Thanks but no, Florence Sanford's parents were either George Edward William Sanford or William Sanford and Bertha.  Some one said Bertha's maiden name was Foster.  I have not confirmed that as of yet. > > > > Thanks again > > Pat > > > > --- On Fri, 6/5/09, SCIGSC@aol.com <SCIGSC@aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > From: SCIGSC@aol.com <SCIGSC@aol.com> > > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Lost cousin > > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > > Date: Friday, June 5, 2009, 12:49 PM > > > > > > John > > > > Were Florence's parents Bernard and Jennie? > > I found one marriage record > > > > Marriage date: 07 Jun 1925 > > Marriage place: Lake City,  Missaukee, Michigan > > > > Bride name: Florence Ermins Miller > > Bride birth year:  1907 > > Bride age: 18 years > > Bride birth place: Cadillac, Mich. > > Father of  bride name: Bernard Miller > > Mother of bride name: Jennie Long > > > > Groom name: Kenneth Elwood Scott > > Groom birth year:  1902 > > Groom age: 23 years > > Groom birth place: Marion, Mich. > > Father of  groom name: Adelbert Scott > > Mother of groom name: Frances Leach > > > > Good Luck > > Susan L. Warner > > Michigan > > > > > > replying to this message > > > > In a message dated 6/5/2009 9:08:26 A.M.,  longjohn144@gmail.com writes: > > > > I am searching for any info on a cousin. > > All I have is name: Florence E Miller, > > b. 1908, Cadillac, Wexford Co, MI. > > Was married and had at least one dau. > > Any data at all would be  appreciated. > > John > > ***** > > > > > > > > **************We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld’ > > diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. > > (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml > > cntnew00000007) > > ***************************** > > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. > > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > > ***************************** > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ***************************** > > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. > > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > > ***************************** > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ***************************** > > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. > > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > > ***************************** > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ***************************** > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > ***************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gail, Was this meant to be sent to me? I am deeply involved in searching for all the given name people you mention… but not a Sanford. That's probably the only surname I don't have in my family tree… but thanks for thinking abt me, anyway… John E Long On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 10:39 PM, <gigitulsaok@cox.net> wrote: > On Ancestry: > Canadian births 1901 > Florence Irene Sanford born Aug 8 1901 > Father: William Ezra Sanford > Mother: Bertha Kelly > Hope this helps. > Gail > > > ---- Pat <ddshepherds@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Thanks but no, Florence Sanford's parents were either George Edward William Sanford or William Sanford and Bertha.  Some one said Bertha's maiden name was Foster.  I have not confirmed that as of yet. > > Thanks again > Pat > > --- On Fri, 6/5/09, SCIGSC@aol.com <SCIGSC@aol.com> wrote: > > > From: SCIGSC@aol.com <SCIGSC@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Lost cousin > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > Date: Friday, June 5, 2009, 12:49 PM > > > John > > Were Florence's parents Bernard and Jennie? > I found one marriage record > > Marriage date: 07 Jun 1925 > Marriage place: Lake City,  Missaukee, Michigan > > Bride name: Florence Ermins Miller > Bride birth year:  1907 > Bride age: 18 years > Bride birth place: Cadillac, Mich. > Father of  bride name: Bernard Miller > Mother of bride name: Jennie Long > > Groom name: Kenneth Elwood Scott > Groom birth year:  1902 > Groom age: 23 years > Groom birth place: Marion, Mich. > Father of  groom name: Adelbert Scott > Mother of groom name: Frances Leach > > Good Luck > Susan L. Warner > Michigan > > > replying to this message > > In a message dated 6/5/2009 9:08:26 A.M.,  longjohn144@gmail.com writes: > > I am searching for any info on a cousin. > All I have is name: Florence E Miller, > b. 1908, Cadillac, Wexford Co, MI. > Was married and had at least one dau. > Any data at all would be  appreciated. > John > ***** > > > > **************We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld’ > diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. > (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml > cntnew00000007) > ***************************** > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > ***************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ***************************** > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > ***************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ***************************** > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > ***************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The spelling of Jack's last name is Schaupp.  It was a sad day when the bakery closed.  It was centrally placed in the small town of Clio where I grew up.  My parents and grandparents were friends of the Schaupp family.  My grandmother was a life-long friend of Margaret Schaupp beginning when they were both girls in St. Charles.     Penny Langworthy Saintjohn     Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:58:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Surbrook <rbrtsrbrk@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Recovered pictures To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <832931.52348.qm@web45009.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 The Shoup family had a Bakery in St. Charles,Michigan,(Saginaw county )in the 1930s.Their son Jack (John) Shoup later had a Bakery in Clio Michigan(Genesee County)in the 1970,s I last saw Jack in Jackensovill FL. at the Mayo Clinic in the early 1980s I did not know them, only in passing., Hope this is of some help. Bob & Marilyn Surbrok

On Ancestry: Canadian births 1901 Florence Irene Sanford born Aug 8 1901 Father: William Ezra Sanford Mother: Bertha Kelly Hope this helps. Gail ---- Pat <ddshepherds@yahoo.com> wrote: > Thanks but no, Florence Sanford's parents were either George Edward William Sanford or William Sanford and Bertha.  Some one said Bertha's maiden name was Foster.  I have not confirmed that as of yet.   Thanks again Pat --- On Fri, 6/5/09, SCIGSC@aol.com <SCIGSC@aol.com> wrote: From: SCIGSC@aol.com <SCIGSC@aol.com> Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Lost cousin To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, June 5, 2009, 12:49 PM John Were Florence's parents Bernard and Jennie? I found one marriage record Marriage date: 07 Jun 1925 Marriage place: Lake City,  Missaukee, Michigan Bride name: Florence Ermins Miller Bride birth year:  1907 Bride age: 18 years Bride birth place: Cadillac, Mich. Father of  bride name: Bernard Miller Mother of bride name: Jennie Long Groom name: Kenneth Elwood Scott Groom birth year:  1902 Groom age: 23 years Groom birth place: Marion, Mich. Father of  groom name: Adelbert Scott Mother of groom name: Frances Leach Good Luck Susan L. Warner Michigan replying to this message In a message dated 6/5/2009 9:08:26 A.M.,  longjohn144@gmail.com writes: I am searching for any info on a cousin. All I have is name: Florence E Miller,  b. 1908, Cadillac, Wexford Co, MI. Was married and had at least one dau. Any data at all would be  appreciated. John ***** **************We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld’ diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml cntnew00000007) ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. MI-Genealogy Mail List Information http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html ***************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. MI-Genealogy Mail List Information http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html ***************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

His name is Ludwig Werner born in Germany abt 1804 Came to America in 1866 learning to dance in the rain! Barbara > From: mi-genealogy-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: MI-GENEALOGY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 133 > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:26:10 -0600 > > > > ***************************** > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > ***************************** > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: MI-GENEALOGY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 131 (Laura Gould) > 2. Re: Port Crescent Michigan / Schlegelmilch (Acrapidriver@aol.com) > 3. Re: Port Crescent Michigan / Schlegelmilch (Acrapidriver@aol.com) > 4. Re: Recovered pictures (brandal) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:17:31 -0400 > From: "Laura Gould" <ljgould@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] MI-GENEALOGY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 131 > To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001201c9e583$c8385020$58a8f060$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > What's his name? > > -----Original Message----- > From: mi-genealogy-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:mi-genealogy-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Werner > Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 6:09 PM > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] MI-GENEALOGY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 131 > > > Trying to locate my ggggrandfather he is in the 1870 censes, in daallas > township clinton co michigan but not 1880, I have searched the clinton co > death records and ionia co death records...where do I go now? > > Barbara > > > > > > From: mi-genealogy-request@rootsweb.com > > Subject: MI-GENEALOGY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 131 > > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > > Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 01:00:37 -0600 > > > > > > > > ***************************** > > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect > others by keeping your postings to this theme. > > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > > ***************************** > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Recovered pictures (PENI ANDREWS) > > 2. Fwd: Port Crescent Cemetery (Flora Mcrae) > > 3. Re: Port Crescent Michigan / Schlegelmilch (EwokPT@aol.com) > > 4. Re: Recovered pictures (RCook96444@aol.com) > > 5. St. Mary's Cemetery/Sanilac (Collins) (cindyfoster59@yahoo.com) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:51:03 -0500 > > From: PENI ANDREWS <plandrews@msn.com> > > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Recovered pictures > > To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <BAY106-W448F7E962E1B815C08FE5CA14A0@phx.gbl> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > thanks for the info , wasnt sure where to start > > > > If you want to feel rich, just count all the things you have that money > can't buy. > > > > > > > > > From: wintertime@netonecom.net > > > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:19:52 -0500 > > > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Recovered pictures > > > > > > Peni, > > > > > > My best guess would be in Lansing at the vital records or maybe where > they > > > do the licensing. Or maybe even the county where he would have set up > shop. > > > I'm not sure right off hand what county Monroe is in could possibly be > > > Wayne co. > > > > > > I live in MI and I am not really sure but that would be my best guess. > Maybe > > > someone else out there would have a better idea. But thought that might > > > help. > > > > > > Vivian > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "PENI ANDREWS" <plandrews@msn.com> > > > To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 7:40 PM > > > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Recovered pictures > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Im looking for info on Shoups, my grandfather and grandmother lived in > > > > > Monroe, he was a Barber there for many years, any one know how I might > get > > > > a copy of his barbers license? > > > > > > > > also how do you get Christening certificates, if your not sure of the > > > > religion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Texas cuz > > > > > > > > Peni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to feel rich, just count all the things you have that > money > > > > can't buy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:41:30 -0700 > > > >> From: ckparks54@yahoo.com > > > >> To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > > > >> Subject: [MI-GENEALOGY] Recovered pictures > > > >> > > > >> Thank you Vivian for posting your article about the found pictures. > They > > > >> are not my relatives, but I just discovered that a desk drawer of > such > > > >> treasures were left behind during the sale of the family farm in the > > > >> 1960's. The last name was WAISANEN and the farm was Rt. 2 Daggett, > > > >> Menominee County, MI. I sure wish someone had those papers that were > > > >> disregarded so many years ago. Thanks for being so kind. > > > >> > > > >> Cecelia > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ________________________________ > > > >> From: brandal <wintertime@netonecom.net> > > > >> To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > > > >> Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 2:29:19 PM > > > >> Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] George Washington > > > >> > > > >> Hi, > > > >> > > > >> This is for anyone who has ancestors living in MI. In the Mecosta co. > or > > > >> surrounding areas. We were at a yard sale yesterday in Big Rapids and > I > > > >> found a scrap book that they were selling and found four pictures in > the > > > >> book. > > > >> Didn't know why they were selling them unless they found them a house > > > > >> that > > > >> they bought. > > > >> The first picture looks to be about maybe in the very late 1800's to > the > > > >> early 1900's as the dresses are knee length. > > > >> There is a log cabin behind them with a barn next to it. > > > >> There is two men and two women with a child about 3or 4 years of age. > and > > > >> on > > > >> the back is written grandpa and grandma Benkerski or Benherski and > Aunt > > > >> Hattie, Vernon or Veron, Char Slakajlys. It is hard to read the > writting > > > >> so > > > >> maybe actually spelled differently. > > > >> Two of the other pics are senior pictures one of Tom Stefonek 1964 > and > > > >> Bernard Schulz graduate 1949. > > > >> And the last picture is a group pic of Rhinelander's Junior High > School > > > >> Band. Class of 1949/1950. > > > >> If anyone who maybe related to these families please let me know and > I > > > >> will > > > >> give you the pictures. I did not want them to get throw out as so > many > > > >> do. > > > >> Sorry that this is so long. > > > >> > > > >> Vivian Brandal > > > >> > > > >> ***************************** > > > >> The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please > respect > > > >> others by keeping your postings to this theme. > > > >> MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > > > >> http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > > > >> ***************************** > > > >> ------------------------------- > > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > >> MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ***************************** > > > >> The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please > respect > > > >> others by keeping your postings to this theme. > > > >> MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > > > >> http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > > > >> ***************************** > > > >> ------------------------------- > > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > >> MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ***************************** > > > > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please > respect > > > > others by keeping your postings to this theme. > > > > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > > > > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > > > > ***************************** > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ***************************** > > > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please > respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. > > > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > > > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > > > ***************************** > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:02:46 -0400 > > From: Flora Mcrae <fjm4160@aol.com> > > Subject: [MI-GENEALOGY] Fwd: Port Crescent Cemetery > > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <10AE9DE8-803B-42AA-A189-12DC17760C85@aol.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > > > You might also want to check out MI GENWEB. Jan is hosting a cite > > called MI Tombstone Project where volunteers around the state are > > photographing > > markers in their area. > > > > flora > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:43:14 -0500 > > From: "Dalle, Nancy, Civ, 126 CES, CEOR, 4878" > > <Nancy.Dalle@ilscot.ang.af.mil> > > Subject: [MI-GENEALOGY] Port Crescent Michigan / Schlegelmilch > > > > Looking to see if anyone is from or near the Old City of Port > > Crescent. I'm > > told there is a cemetery there with a lot of Schleglemilch's buried. Am > > looking to find picture of gravestones or just names, dates and places. > > > > Any help would be welcomed. > > > > Nancy > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:01:00 -0400 > > From: Megan Heyl <jester1380@chartermi.net> > > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Port Crescent Michigan / Schlegelmilch > > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <4F9927D7-808B-4A91-85D8-72488444C53C@chartermi.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > > > You might want to sign up on Find A Grave. > > People from all over vol. to go to cemeteries and take photos for > > others. > > The sight is pretty easy to navigate. Just a thought in case you had > > not used the service before. > > And... it is free. > > Meg in Michigan > > > > On Jun 3, 2009, at 4:43 PM, Dalle, Nancy, Civ, 126 CES, CEOR, 4878 > > wrote: > > > > > Looking to see if anyone is from or near the Old City of Port > > > Crescent. I'm > > > told there is a cemetery there with a lot of Schleglemilch's > > > buried. Am > > > looking to find picture of gravestones or just names, dates and > > > places. > > > > > > Any help would be welcomed. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:35:46 EDT > > From: EwokPT@aol.com > > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Port Crescent Michigan / Schlegelmilch > > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <d24.4ac574b3.37587ef2@aol.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > Try _www.findagrave.com_ (http://www.findagrave.com) . > > **************Shop Inspiron, Studio and XPS Laptops at Dell.com > > > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222616459x1201464730/aol?redir=htt > p:%2F%2Fad.d > > oubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215218145%3B37264238%3Bd) > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:08:28 EDT > > From: RCook96444@aol.com > > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Recovered pictures > > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <c41.5c8e4cba.3758869c@aol.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > Vivian, > > > > >From the Michigan map, Monroe is located in Monroe County, Michigan, > > bordering Ohio and north of Toledo. > > > > Ralph Cook > > Meridian, Idaho > > > > *************************************** > > > > > > In a message dated 6/3/2009 2:20:42 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > > wintertime@netonecom.net writes: > > > > Peni, > > > > My best guess would be in Lansing at the vital records or maybe where they > > > do the licensing. Or maybe even the county where he would have set up > > shop. > > I'm not sure right off hand what county Monroe is in could possibly be > > Wayne co. > > > > I live in MI and I am not really sure but that would be my best guess. > > Maybe > > someone else out there would have a better idea. But thought that might > > help. > > > > Vivian > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "PENI ANDREWS" <plandrews@msn.com> > > To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 7:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Recovered pictures > > > > > > > > > > Im looking for info on Shoups, my grandfather and grandmother lived in > > > Monroe, he was a Barber there for many years, any one know how I might > > get > > > a copy of his barbers license? > > > > > > also how do you get Christening certificates, if your not sure of the > > > religion > > > > > > > > > > > > Texas cuz > > > > > > Peni > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to feel rich, just count all the things you have that money > > > can't buy. > > > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:41:30 -0700 > > >> From: ckparks54@yahoo.com > > >> To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > > >> Subject: [MI-GENEALOGY] Recovered pictures > > >> > > >> Thank you Vivian for posting your article about the found pictures. > > They > > >> are not my relatives, but I just discovered that a desk drawer of such > > >> treasures were left behind during the sale of the family farm in the > > >> 1960's. The last name was WAISANEN and the farm was Rt. 2 Daggett, > > >> Menominee County, MI. I sure wish someone had those papers that were > > >> disregarded so many years ago. Thanks for being so kind. > > >> > > >> Cecelia > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ________________________________ > > >> From: brandal <wintertime@netonecom.net> > > >> To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > > >> Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 2:29:19 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] George Washington > > >> > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> This is for anyone who has ancestors living in MI. In the Mecosta co. > or > > >> surrounding areas. We were at a yard sale yesterday in Big Rapids and > > I > > >> found a scrap book that they were selling and found four pictures in > the > > >> book. > > >> Didn't know why they were selling them unless they found them a house > > >> that > > >> they bought. > > >> The first picture looks to be about maybe in the very late 1800's to > the > > >> early 1900's as the dresses are knee length. > > >> There is a log cabin behind them with a barn next to it. > > >> There is two men and two women with a child about 3or 4 years of age. > > and > > >> on > > >> the back is written grandpa and grandma Benkerski or Benherski and Aunt > > >> Hattie, Vernon or Veron, Char Slakajlys. It is hard to read the > > writting > > >> so > > >> maybe actually spelled differently. > > >> Two of the other pics are senior pictures one of Tom Stefonek 1964 and > > >> Bernard Schulz graduate 1949. > > >> And the last picture is a group pic of Rhinelander's Junior High School > > >> Band. Class of 1949/1950. > > >> If anyone who maybe related to these families please let me know and I > > >> will > > >> give you the pictures. I did not want them to get throw out as so many > > >> do. > > >> Sorry that this is so long. > > >> > > >> Vivian Brandal > > >> > > >> ***************************** > > >> The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please > > respect > > >> others by keeping your postings to this theme. > > >> MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > > >> http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > > >> ***************************** > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ***************************** > > >> The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. 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Explore WhereItsAt.com. > > > (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youv > e-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml > > cntnew00000007) > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:54:55 -0700 (PDT) > > From: cindyfoster59@yahoo.com > > Subject: [MI-GENEALOGY] St. Mary's Cemetery/Sanilac (Collins) > > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <853668.63735.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > > If anyone lives near Old St. Mary's Catholic Cemetery in Sanilac, MI.... > on Sanilac Rd. close to State St....?? I would really love some photos of my > ancestors gravestones. > > ? > > All surnames are Collins: > > ? > > > > Germain (or Jeremiah) Collins???? d:??July 3, 1900 > > Hannah Collins????????????????????????? d:? Oct. 28, 1895 > > Marcella Collins???????????????????????? d:? Sept. 29, 1892 > > Nicholas Collins???????????????????????? d: Oct. 31, 1898 > > Rose Ann Collins?????????????????????? d: July 6, 1890 > > Louisa Collins??????????????????????????? d: May 29, 1881 > > Bernard Collins????????????????????????? d: 1959 > > ? > > ? > > AND/OR > > ? > > Does anyone know if St. Mary's Catholic Church in Sanilac is the same > church that existed in the late 1800's??? 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Please respect > others by keeping your postings to this theme. > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > ***************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:43:44 EDT > From: Acrapidriver@aol.com > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Port Crescent Michigan / Schlegelmilch > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <c29.5a18f06e.3759e060@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > If I am correct, that would be Huron Co. but I'm not able to come up with > anything for Port Crescent. > Here is what I've found for Huron Co.: > > Marriage of Fred W. Schlegelmilch to Mary Davis on July 02, 1890 in Port > Austin, Huron, Mi. > > Marriage of Mabel E Schlegelmilch to Geo. M. Legallee on November 01, 1918 > in Detroit, Wayne, Mi. This looks like the daughter of the above. > > Marriage of Albert Schlegelmilch to Nicholina Nelson on January 19, 1874 in > Meade, Huron, Michigan. > > Birth of Frank Schlegelmilch on May 15, 1869 to Ulric C. & Helen > Schlegelmilch in Hume, Huron, Mi. > > Birth of Lottie Schlegelmilch on June 15, 1873 to Julius & Ellen > Schlegelmilch in Hume, Huron, Mi. > > Death of Albert Schlegelmilch on November 14, 1881 in Meade, Huron, Mi. > Parents: C.F. & Mary Schleglemilch. > > Birth of William F. Schlegelmilch in 1891 to Frederick and Mary > Schlegelmilch in Dwight, Huron, Mi. > > Hope this helps & I'll keep looking for death record for that area. > > Angie > **************We found the real ?Hotel California? and the ?Seinfeld? > diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. > (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml > cntnew00000007) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:23:32 EDT > From: Acrapidriver@aol.com > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Port Crescent Michigan / Schlegelmilch > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <c38.560b0d17.3759e9b4@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Nancy, > I found some more. Let me know if I have the correct family. > Schlegelmilch: > Christian F son of John Schlegelmilch and Mary M. Brown, b. February 2, > 1823 d. April 12, 1906 of some type of bladder and prostate condition. > Burial Port Crescent Cemetery. > Dorothy, daughter of Julius Schlegelmilch & Stella Oades, b. September 17, > 1915 d. December 18, 1915 of Malnutrition. Burial Hume Cemetery. > Julius Moodrow, daughter of Julius Schlegelmilch & Estella Oades b. > November 10, 1916 d. May 2, 1918 of toxemia. Burial Port Cresent. > Elizabeth, widow, b. May 26, 1833 d. October 23, 1907, I can't make out > the cause of death, burial Port Crescent Cemetery. > Julia, son of Julius Schlegelmilch & Estella Oades b. November 2, 1912 d. > Oct 5, 1914 of accidental drowning. Burial Hume Cemetery, Huron Co., Mi. > Carolyne M., daughter of Albert Schlegelmilch, b. March 3, 1881 d. June > 17, 1914 of organic heart disease. Burial Lakeside Cem. Port Huron Twp., St. > Clair Co., Mi. > May b. 1892 d. November 20, 1893. Burial Port Austin Twp., Cemetery, > Huron Co. > > Angie > **************We found the real ?Hotel California? and the ?Seinfeld? > diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. > (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml > cntnew00000007) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 01:26:04 -0500 > From: "brandal" <wintertime@netonecom.net> > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Recovered pictures > To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <90D3B85567AF40FD8E19298FDF622C81@terryamoicl8tm> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=original > > hi, > > well i have lived all my live in MI and learn something new everyday. I > thought there was a Monroe co. but couldn't remember. > vivian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <RCook96444@aol.com> > To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:08 PM > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Recovered pictures > > > > Vivian, > > > > From the Michigan map, Monroe is located in Monroe County, Michigan, > > bordering Ohio and north of Toledo. > > > > Ralph Cook > > Meridian, Idaho > > > > *************************************** > > > > > > In a message dated 6/3/2009 2:20:42 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > > wintertime@netonecom.net writes: > > > > Peni, > > > > My best guess would be in Lansing at the vital records or maybe where > > they > > do the licensing. Or maybe even the county where he would have set up > > shop. > > I'm not sure right off hand what county Monroe is in could possibly be > > Wayne co. > > > > I live in MI and I am not really sure but that would be my best guess. > > Maybe > > someone else out there would have a better idea. But thought that might > > help. > > > > Vivian > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "PENI ANDREWS" <plandrews@msn.com> > > To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 7:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Recovered pictures > > > > > >> > >> Im looking for info on Shoups, my grandfather and grandmother lived in > >> Monroe, he was a Barber there for many years, any one know how I might > > get > >> a copy of his barbers license? > >> > >> also how do you get Christening certificates, if your not sure of the > >> religion > >> > >> > >> > >> Texas cuz > >> > >> Peni > >> > >> > >> > >> If you want to feel rich, just count all the things you have that money > >> can't buy. > >> > >> > >> > >>> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:41:30 -0700 > >>> From: ckparks54@yahoo.com > >>> To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > >>> Subject: [MI-GENEALOGY] Recovered pictures > >>> > >>> Thank you Vivian for posting your article about the found pictures. > > They > >>> are not my relatives, but I just discovered that a desk drawer of such > >>> treasures were left behind during the sale of the family farm in the > >>> 1960's. The last name was WAISANEN and the farm was Rt. 2 Daggett, > >>> Menominee County, MI. I sure wish someone had those papers that were > >>> disregarded so many years ago. Thanks for being so kind. > >>> > >>> Cecelia > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> From: brandal <wintertime@netonecom.net> > >>> To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > >>> Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 2:29:19 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] George Washington > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> This is for anyone who has ancestors living in MI. In the Mecosta co. > >>> or > >>> surrounding areas. We were at a yard sale yesterday in Big Rapids and > > I > >>> found a scrap book that they were selling and found four pictures in > >>> the > >>> book. > >>> Didn't know why they were selling them unless they found them a house > >>> that > >>> they bought. > >>> The first picture looks to be about maybe in the very late 1800's to > >>> the > >>> early 1900's as the dresses are knee length. > >>> There is a log cabin behind them with a barn next to it. > >>> There is two men and two women with a child about 3or 4 years of age. > > and > >>> on > >>> the back is written grandpa and grandma Benkerski or Benherski and > >>> Aunt > >>> Hattie, Vernon or Veron, Char Slakajlys. It is hard to read the > > writting > >>> so > >>> maybe actually spelled differently. > >>> Two of the other pics are senior pictures one of Tom Stefonek 1964 and > >>> Bernard Schulz graduate 1949. > >>> And the last picture is a group pic of Rhinelander's Junior High School > >>> Band. Class of 1949/1950. > >>> If anyone who maybe related to these families please let me know and I > >>> will > >>> give you the pictures. I did not want them to get throw out as so many > >>> do. > >>> Sorry that this is so long. > >>> > >>> Vivian Brandal > >>> > >>> ***************************** > >>> The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please > > respect > >>> others by keeping your postings to this theme. > >>> MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > >>> http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > >>> ***************************** > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ***************************** > >>> The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. 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Thanks but no, Florence Sanford's parents were either George Edward William Sanford or William Sanford and Bertha.  Some one said Bertha's maiden name was Foster.  I have not confirmed that as of yet.   Thanks again Pat --- On Fri, 6/5/09, SCIGSC@aol.com <SCIGSC@aol.com> wrote: From: SCIGSC@aol.com <SCIGSC@aol.com> Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Lost cousin To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, June 5, 2009, 12:49 PM John Were Florence's parents Bernard and Jennie? I found one marriage record Marriage date: 07 Jun 1925 Marriage place: Lake City,  Missaukee, Michigan Bride name: Florence Ermins Miller Bride birth year:  1907 Bride age: 18 years Bride birth place: Cadillac, Mich. Father of  bride name: Bernard Miller Mother of bride name: Jennie Long Groom name: Kenneth Elwood Scott Groom birth year:  1902 Groom age: 23 years Groom birth place: Marion, Mich. Father of  groom name: Adelbert Scott Mother of groom name: Frances Leach Good Luck Susan L. Warner Michigan replying to this message In a message dated 6/5/2009 9:08:26 A.M.,  longjohn144@gmail.com writes: I am searching for any info on a cousin. All I have is name: Florence E Miller,  b. 1908, Cadillac, Wexford Co, MI. Was married and had at least one dau. Any data at all would be  appreciated. John ***** **************We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld’ diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml cntnew00000007) ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. MI-Genealogy Mail List Information http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html ***************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John Were Florence's parents Bernard and Jennie? I found one marriage record Marriage date: 07 Jun 1925 Marriage place: Lake City, Missaukee, Michigan Bride name: Florence Ermins Miller Bride birth year: 1907 Bride age: 18 years Bride birth place: Cadillac, Mich. Father of bride name: Bernard Miller Mother of bride name: Jennie Long Groom name: Kenneth Elwood Scott Groom birth year: 1902 Groom age: 23 years Groom birth place: Marion, Mich. Father of groom name: Adelbert Scott Mother of groom name: Frances Leach Good Luck Susan L. Warner Michigan replying to this message In a message dated 6/5/2009 9:08:26 A.M., longjohn144@gmail.com writes: I am searching for any info on a cousin. All I have is name: Florence E Miller, b. 1908, Cadillac, Wexford Co, MI. Was married and had at least one dau. Any data at all would be appreciated. John ***** **************We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld’ diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml cntnew00000007)

I am sorry I have not used this site before. Simon Press was born in Markham Ontario Canada and was married to Mary Ann Rumohr or Remore. The family came to Michigan some time around 1875 and we have his death in Michigan. His wife Mary Ann Rumohr death 5 Jan 1882 Fairgrove Tuscola Michigan . They had 8 children which one of them is my great grandfather Francis W Press birth is 23 May 1873 Ontarion Canada, death 4 March Ellington Tuscola Michigan. Came to USA around 1875 - 1877 and he was married to Mary Bell Benjamin of Almer Twp Tuscola Caro Michigan. Her parents were George Benjamin birth in Geauge Ohio and his death 11 May 1913 in Columbia Tuscola Co Michigan and his wife was Lura Bardwell she was born in New York Nov 1853 and I have no death on her, but found on your site their marriage and some of their childrens marriages. So thank you for having that, I was tickled to find it. Francis and Mary Bell Benjamin had 6 children that we found. And it looks like all were born in Michigan some in Caro Michigan. My grandfather Harry Press being one of their children. I was born in Michigan, but no longer live there so it is hard for me to get some info. I do know that many of the Press family is buried I belive in Caro Michigan, my mother said they would go to the cemetery when they would go to some big fair there. She said they had a section with the graves and gravestones, said it was old. I have alot of info on the Press family and those who married into it, and pictures if any one would be interested. I looked for a place to add some photos to your site but did not see where I could. Also have census and some other data on them. Also have tree on ancestry. Thank You Debbie debbastra@yahoo.com