Saginaw News Obits Index _http://obits.netsource-one.net/_ (http://obits.netsource-one.net/) Saginaw City Cemeteries _http://cemeteries.saginaw-mi.com/search/_ (http://cemeteries.saginaw-mi.com/search/) Michigan Deaths 1867-1897 _http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1452402;p=collectio nDetails;t=searchable_ (http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1452402;p=collectionDetails;t=searchable) Michigan Deaths 1897-1920 _http://haldigitalcollections.cdmhost.com/seeking_michigan/seek_advanced.php _ (http://haldigitalcollections.cdmhost.com/seeking_michigan/seek_advanced.php) Michigan Deaths 1971-1996 _http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=3171&cj=1&sid=dimi&o_xid=000058 4978&o_lid=0000584978_ (http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=3171&cj=1&sid=dimi&o_xid=0000584978&o_lid=0000584978) In a message dated 7/25/2009 8:22:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, psinjun@yahoo.com writes: Does anyone have a favorite online site for deaths in Saginaw County? I have been researching several family lines for nearly thirty years and have used all the standard sites (Ancestry, FamilySearch, FindAGrave, SeekingMichigan, etc) but have failed to find some of the death dates I need. I have been to the county clerks office several times as well as several cemeteries. Now I am simply asking for more sites on the off chance my searches have missed something new or obscure. Leigh **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x12213230 48x1201367271/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62)

Peggy, Thank you for taking the time to clarify the issues at hand. I am in full agreement with your stand on the defined problem. I am very vigilant to make sure valuable information is retained to make our history more complete, thusly our genealogy, never becomes "obsolete" and will always be believed to be worthy to be preserved. This is the problem I have had for over 15 years of actively searching for information on my father and my paternal grandfather. My father was born August 11, 1917 in the Providence Hospital in Detroit. My maternal grandmother was Hilja Maria Niemi(nen) and my grandfather is listed as Ivar/Ivori/Ivor Niemi. Both came from Finland. I can not even find my father's birth information. He gave me his birth certificate just before he died so I feel blessed. I have been able to find my paternal Finnish family in Jämsä, Finland though nothing on when and how she got to USA. I have no information on my paternal grandfather. This is why I will fight to keep all information open to all. I know there is information for me though I just haven't asked it to the right person, to the right list or at the right time. We, as personal historians, have to be bigger than that. Thank you, Dorothea **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221323048x1201367271/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62)

I am looking for the birth and death dates of Thomas Wesley Clark, born in Michigan and lived in the Gladwin area. He was married to Eva Nellie Siepke, b. 17 August 1912; d. 22 April 1987, Midland. They had one son, Thomas Lee Clark, b. 03 May 1940. We (the family) have searched all the usual records, I.e., SS Death Records, etc. with no success. Your help will be appreciated. Forrest **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115)

You have probably looked at this site, but, since you didn't mention it below, I'm sending it along: http://www.mdch.state.mi.us/pha/osr/gendisx/search2.htm Since you have been to the county clerks office, I am going to assume that the deaths were maybe before good record keeping began in MI, or that these people might possibly have died and/or been buried in an adjoining county. Have you explored those other counties? Also, if the deaths are really old, the only place that you might be able to find a mention would be from old church records, if they happen to still be around, or looking at old newspaper microfilm on the off chance that they might have been mentioned in the brevities section. Just some of my thoughts. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny/Leigh" <psinjun@yahoo.com> Does anyone have a favorite online site for deaths in Saginaw County? I have been researching several family lines for nearly thirty years and have used all the standard sites (Ancestry, FamilySearch, FindAGrave, SeekingMichigan, etc) but have failed to find some of the death dates I need. I have been to the county clerks office several times as well as several cemeteries. Now I am simply asking for more sites on the off chance my searches have missed something new or obscure. Leigh

If you know the names (last names) you can search the Public Libraries of Saginaw Obituary Index -- _plosgene@saginawlibrary.org_ (mailto:plosgene@saginawlibrary.org) . I have found a lot of my relatives dating back to 1919. They will send you five obits at a time and only ask for a small donation if you can afford one. It's not required. Good luck. In a message dated 7/25/2009 8:23:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, psinjun@yahoo.com writes: Does anyone have a favorite online site for deaths in Saginaw County? I have been researching several family lines for nearly thirty years and have used all the standard sites (Ancestry, FamilySearch, FindAGrave, SeekingMichigan, etc) but have failed to find some of the death dates I need. I have been to the county clerks office several times as well as several cemeteries. Now I am simply asking for more sites on the off chance my searches have missed something new or obscure. Leigh ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. MI-Genealogy Mail List Information http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html ***************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115)

Does anyone have a favorite online site for deaths in Saginaw County?  I have been researching several family lines for nearly thirty years and have used all the standard sites (Ancestry, FamilySearch, FindAGrave, SeekingMichigan, etc) but have failed to find some of the death dates I need. I have been to the county clerks office several times as well as several  cemeteries.  Now I am simply asking for more sites on the off chance my searches have missed something new or obscure. Leigh

Hi Dorothea, Make no mistake, I am not happy about the situation with the Library. If you will look back at the list archives you will see that I am the person who made the initial postings. My intention was to motivate people to become involved in saving the library. I am very aware of the definition of history and genealogy. What I am objecting to in regards to postings to the list are those remarks about politics, which have no bearing whatsoever on genealogy or history. The remarks are personal opinions only and should be saved for someplace other than on a genealogy mailing list. There are any number of people on the Michigan Genealogy mailing list-- including myself--who attempt to help others find their roots. I spent many years trying to connect a 3x-great grandfather to his parents, so I know about frustration. I have another 3x-great grandfather for whom I probably will never find parents, and he was born in Michigan. If you need assistance, please don't hesitate to post a request to the list. I can assure you, at the very least you will have one person try to help. We are all on this mailing list for the same reason--genealogy. Everyone is entitled to their feelings about those holding elected offices, but a genealogy list is no place for those feelings to be aired. Regards, Peggy On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 2:28 PM, <Dw819@aol.com> wrote: > Peggy, > History and Genealogy are the same only looking at it from a personal or > public view. Denying us any information to this information is denying > all > from genealogy of some and history from all. > No, my relatives did not make any big history though without them doing > what they did would be saying they weren't important to history. This is > my > genealogy that is being cut off when I can't find several of my main line > relatives. > I need time and help. I have not been able to find the right person with > the right information to help me. > Dorothea > > >

Please let me handle the emails that come in to the list. If you have a remark to make as far as the politicians go, or on what I have said, please email me privately, not the list. I will take care of people who don't respect the list rules privately. My email is janacortez@charter.net. Thanks, Jan

Peggy, History and Genealogy are the same only looking at it from a personal or public view. Denying us any information to this information is denying all from genealogy of some and history from all. No, my relatives did not make any big history though without them doing what they did would be saying they weren't important to history. This is my genealogy that is being cut off when I can't find several of my main line relatives. I need time and help. I have not been able to find the right person with the right information to help me. Dorothea In a message dated 7/25/2009 5:08:54 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, peggy.youngs@gmail.com writes: I THOUGHT THIS LIST WAS FOR GENEALOGY, NOT ESPOUSING YOUR FAVORITE BRAND OF POLITICS. Peggy On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 12:52 AM, <Dw819@aol.com> wrote: > I agree with what you are saying. I also know that important people in > our history are being eliminated from the history books. The two that > come > to mind is Joe Hill and now Ceasar Chavez (this is happening in TX). > Our children and grandchildren are being denied our history. > Dorothea > > > In a message dated 7/24/2009 8:07:10 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > christelmarlene@sbcglobal.net writes: > > I agree with you, John, you have the constitutional right to speak your > mind. The current governor is no friend to genealogists, or history buffs > for that matter, regardless of political party affiliation. You most > certainly earned the right to speak out by fighting for the good old USA > during > WWII. It is the soldier who gave us our freedom, not some reporter, as > the > poem goes. > > We need to protect and preserve our history, not relegate it to some > government committee, where history might be re-written. > > As Patrick Henry stated famously...."Give me liberty, or give me death!" > Our ancestors fought for freedom. > That means freedom to speak one's mind. > > George Santayana said "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to > repeat it." How can we learn from history if our libraries aren't > protected? > > Norman Cousins said " A library, to modify the famous metaphor of > Socrates, should be the delivery room for the birth of ideas- a place > where history > comes to life." We need our libraries. Michigan library might be first, > what is next, our local libraries? Very bad precedence. > > Christel > Member of Michigan Mayflower Society > Member of Michigan Daughters of the American Revolution > > > > ________________________________ > From: John Long <longjohn144@gmail.com> > To: brandal <wintertime@netonecom.net> > Cc: Robert J. DeMott <bobdemott@hotmail.com>; mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com; > Kenny Long <greatwhite1116@yahoo.com>; mary rathbun > <upnorthishome@yahoo.com> > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 5:04:47 PM > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] WHEN WRITING TO ELECTED OFFICIALS ABOUT > THELIBRARY... > > To all my friends in MI, > > Sorry if I ruffled anyone's feathers. I'm thinking of my genealogical > forefathers in the Continental Congress …what would they think abt the > deterioration of the "freedom of speech" issue now… after all these years. > Let's look at the American Constitution and the Bill of Rights, again. For > those who don't know where to look… I suggest you go to your local > LIBRARY… > don't you know. There may be some passages that could prove of interest. > And > those wonderful people… the librarian folks …are only too willing to help > you. > > Don't think for one minute I'm not concerned abt my beloved MI. From 1942 > to > 1946, I was on the beaches in the Pacific… from Guadalcanal to Saipan. > Why? > I believe it was to keep the enemy from MI …and also, to protect my > "freedom > of speech" don't you see. > > I don't intend to beat the issue any further. Just had to make my > statement. > Believe I earned to right to do so. Will now retreat back again… back to > the > hiding generation. Bye! > > John E Long > Member Society of Mayflower Descendants > Member of Sons of the American Revolution > Etc…………… > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:15 PM, brandal <wintertime@netonecom.net> > wrote: > > > I am so with you. That Michigan's problems will be gone come next year. > I > > can't wait. She is destroying MI. She is cutting things she shouldn't > even > > be touching and yet her and friends live in the lap of luxury. (sp). > She > > needs to cut spending right there in her own office and leave everything > > else alone. > > > > I will call the sexton of Marion again. He hasn't called me back yet. > > > > Vivian > > > > Kevin would probably call anyone kook if it exposes them. > > ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. MI-Genealogy Mail List Information http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html ***************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A bad credit score is 600 & below. Checking won't affect your score. See now! 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I sent an email yesterday asking nicely that we do not reference elected officials and what we think of them. We are only looking at ways to save the Library of MI. I get online today and more references have been made. STOP it now! If I see any more references on this list, you will be moderated. I don't want to even see anyone referring to this email with yeahs and nays.. Genealogy ONLY and ways to save the State of MI Library. Thank you, Jan Cortez Co-Listowner

Dear sirs, I do not know of any of these people being related to the Teets I am looking for But thank you for your time and service, Uretta.

Patsy, please respect what Jan has requested of us. I could blame General Motor's bankruptcy & layoffs on Michigan's loss of funds but that wouldn't solve anything. Your bitterness is out of place on this list. You can express your opinions more appropriately in other ways. Respectfully, Leisa --- On Sat, 7/25/09, PATSY <precious2842@yahoo.com> wrote: > From: PATSY <precious2842@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] NO POLITICS > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 11:20 AM > > > > Jan > unfortunately, that is exactly what it is.....its politics > that is removing it and politics is not going to let a > bunch do anything else with it...how can we save it....do > we have anyone that can start a genealogy library...and if > we did, they aren't going to let us have all those books and > cds..... >   > it boils down to the fact that like the rest....once we > vote them in, then we loose everything....all rights to say > anything...  > > --- On Sat, 7/25/09, Jan Cortez <janacortez@charter.net> > wrote: > > > From: Jan Cortez <janacortez@charter.net> > Subject: [MI-GENEALOGY] NO POLITICS > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 9:49 AM > > > I sent an email yesterday asking nicely that we do not > reference elected > officials and what we think of them.  We are only looking > at ways to save > the Library of MI.  I get online today and more references > have been made. > STOP it now! > > If I see any more references on this list, you will be > moderated.  I don't > want to even see anyone referring to this email with yeahs > and nays.. > > Genealogy ONLY and ways to save the State of MI Library. > > Thank you, > > Jan Cortez > Co-Listowner > > > ***************************** > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. > Please respect others by keeping your postings to this > theme. > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > ***************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > >       > ***************************** > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. > Please respect others by keeping your postings to this > theme. > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > ***************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Jan unfortunately, that is exactly what it is.....its politics that is removing it and politics is not going to let a bunch do anything else with it...how can we save it....do we have anyone that can start a genealogy library...and if we did, they aren't going to let us have all those books and cds.....   it boils down to the fact that like the rest....once we vote them in, then we loose everything....all rights to say anything...  --- On Sat, 7/25/09, Jan Cortez <janacortez@charter.net> wrote: From: Jan Cortez <janacortez@charter.net> Subject: [MI-GENEALOGY] NO POLITICS To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 9:49 AM I sent an email yesterday asking nicely that we do not reference elected officials and what we think of them.  We are only looking at ways to save the Library of MI.  I get online today and more references have been made. STOP it now! If I see any more references on this list, you will be moderated.  I don't want to even see anyone referring to this email with yeahs and nays.. Genealogy ONLY and ways to save the State of MI Library. Thank you, Jan Cortez Co-Listowner ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. MI-Genealogy Mail List Information http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html ***************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I THOUGHT THIS LIST WAS FOR GENEALOGY, NOT ESPOUSING YOUR FAVORITE BRAND OF POLITICS. Peggy On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 12:52 AM, <Dw819@aol.com> wrote: > I agree with what you are saying. I also know that important people in > our history are being eliminated from the history books. The two that > come > to mind is Joe Hill and now Ceasar Chavez (this is happening in TX). > Our children and grandchildren are being denied our history. > Dorothea > > > In a message dated 7/24/2009 8:07:10 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > christelmarlene@sbcglobal.net writes: > > I agree with you, John, you have the constitutional right to speak your > mind. The current governor is no friend to genealogists, or history buffs > for that matter, regardless of political party affiliation. You most > certainly earned the right to speak out by fighting for the good old USA > during > WWII. It is the soldier who gave us our freedom, not some reporter, as > the > poem goes. > > We need to protect and preserve our history, not relegate it to some > government committee, where history might be re-written. > > As Patrick Henry stated famously...."Give me liberty, or give me death!" > Our ancestors fought for freedom. > That means freedom to speak one's mind. > > George Santayana said "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to > repeat it." How can we learn from history if our libraries aren't > protected? > > Norman Cousins said " A library, to modify the famous metaphor of > Socrates, should be the delivery room for the birth of ideas- a place > where history > comes to life." We need our libraries. Michigan library might be first, > what is next, our local libraries? Very bad precedence. > > Christel > Member of Michigan Mayflower Society > Member of Michigan Daughters of the American Revolution > > > > ________________________________ > From: John Long <longjohn144@gmail.com> > To: brandal <wintertime@netonecom.net> > Cc: Robert J. DeMott <bobdemott@hotmail.com>; mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com; > Kenny Long <greatwhite1116@yahoo.com>; mary rathbun > <upnorthishome@yahoo.com> > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 5:04:47 PM > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] WHEN WRITING TO ELECTED OFFICIALS ABOUT > THELIBRARY... > > To all my friends in MI, > > Sorry if I ruffled anyone's feathers. I'm thinking of my genealogical > forefathers in the Continental Congress …what would they think abt the > deterioration of the "freedom of speech" issue now… after all these years. > Let's look at the American Constitution and the Bill of Rights, again. For > those who don't know where to look… I suggest you go to your local > LIBRARY… > don't you know. There may be some passages that could prove of interest. > And > those wonderful people… the librarian folks …are only too willing to help > you. > > Don't think for one minute I'm not concerned abt my beloved MI. From 1942 > to > 1946, I was on the beaches in the Pacific… from Guadalcanal to Saipan. > Why? > I believe it was to keep the enemy from MI …and also, to protect my > "freedom > of speech" don't you see. > > I don't intend to beat the issue any further. Just had to make my > statement. > Believe I earned to right to do so. Will now retreat back again… back to > the > hiding generation. Bye! > > John E Long > Member Society of Mayflower Descendants > Member of Sons of the American Revolution > Etc…………… > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:15 PM, brandal <wintertime@netonecom.net> > wrote: > > > I am so with you. That Michigan's problems will be gone come next year. > I > > can't wait. She is destroying MI. She is cutting things she shouldn't > even > > be touching and yet her and friends live in the lap of luxury. (sp). > She > > needs to cut spending right there in her own office and leave everything > > else alone. > > > > I will call the sexton of Marion again. He hasn't called me back yet. > > > > Vivian > > > > Kevin would probably call anyone kook if it exposes them. > >

I agree with what you are saying. I also know that important people in our history are being eliminated from the history books. The two that come to mind is Joe Hill and now Ceasar Chavez (this is happening in TX). Our children and grandchildren are being denied our history. Dorothea In a message dated 7/24/2009 8:07:10 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, christelmarlene@sbcglobal.net writes: I agree with you, John, you have the constitutional right to speak your mind. The current governor is no friend to genealogists, or history buffs for that matter, regardless of political party affiliation. You most certainly earned the right to speak out by fighting for the good old USA during WWII. It is the soldier who gave us our freedom, not some reporter, as the poem goes. We need to protect and preserve our history, not relegate it to some government committee, where history might be re-written. As Patrick Henry stated famously...."Give me liberty, or give me death!" Our ancestors fought for freedom. That means freedom to speak one's mind. George Santayana said "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." How can we learn from history if our libraries aren't protected? Norman Cousins said " A library, to modify the famous metaphor of Socrates, should be the delivery room for the birth of ideas- a place where history comes to life." We need our libraries. Michigan library might be first, what is next, our local libraries? Very bad precedence. Christel Member of Michigan Mayflower Society Member of Michigan Daughters of the American Revolution ________________________________ From: John Long <longjohn144@gmail.com> To: brandal <wintertime@netonecom.net> Cc: Robert J. DeMott <bobdemott@hotmail.com>; mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com; Kenny Long <greatwhite1116@yahoo.com>; mary rathbun <upnorthishome@yahoo.com> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 5:04:47 PM Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] WHEN WRITING TO ELECTED OFFICIALS ABOUT THELIBRARY... To all my friends in MI, Sorry if I ruffled anyone's feathers. I'm thinking of my genealogical forefathers in the Continental Congress …what would they think abt the deterioration of the "freedom of speech" issue now… after all these years. Let's look at the American Constitution and the Bill of Rights, again. For those who don't know where to look… I suggest you go to your local LIBRARY… don't you know. There may be some passages that could prove of interest. And those wonderful people… the librarian folks …are only too willing to help you. Don't think for one minute I'm not concerned abt my beloved MI. From 1942 to 1946, I was on the beaches in the Pacific… from Guadalcanal to Saipan. Why? I believe it was to keep the enemy from MI …and also, to protect my "freedom of speech" don't you see. I don't intend to beat the issue any further. Just had to make my statement. Believe I earned to right to do so. Will now retreat back again… back to the hiding generation. Bye! John E Long Member Society of Mayflower Descendants Member of Sons of the American Revolution Etc…………… On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:15 PM, brandal <wintertime@netonecom.net> wrote: > I am so with you. That Michigan's problems will be gone come next year. I > can't wait. She is destroying MI. She is cutting things she shouldn't even > be touching and yet her and friends live in the lap of luxury. (sp). She > needs to cut spending right there in her own office and leave everything > else alone. > > I will call the sexton of Marion again. He hasn't called me back yet. > > Vivian > > Kevin would probably call anyone kook if it exposes them. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Long" <longjohn144@gmail.com> > To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "Kenny Long" <greatwhite1116@yahoo.com>; "Irvin C Rabideau" < > icr@waterford.lib.mi.us> > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:17 AM > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] WHEN WRITING TO ELECTED OFFICIALS ABOUT > THELIBRARY... > > > > What Kevin O'Brien tells you is not just some idle rambling from "a kook > in California." I am somewhat surprised that one of us homo sapiens would > take the time to speak the truth concerning one of the problems in our > political system. In a few more months, our problem in Lansing will leave > office… and we may be lucky in the next office holder who, hopefully, will > have a more realistic set of priorities. > > I'm a Floridian, now. Escaped from Michigan a few yrs back. May return > …if "the economic climate" ever gets better. Incidentally, I hold 3 college > degrees, plus a lotta post-grad work …just in case you think me a "kook in > Florida." …but, I still may be …may have to think abt that. > > Concerning libraries …all of us should realize that they are the best > source of education for all of us …especially the underprivileged and near > poverty stricken children… our future leaders. Politicians should take note > of this fact …if they really care. > > John > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Kevin O'Brien <kevinobrien8527@cox.net > >wrote: > > Dear Friends, >> Unfortunately I live in California so other than offering some advice I >> am powerless to help much, but I am sharing what I know about political >> efforts and getting the attention of your elected officials. >> When writing or contacting any elected official, remember they receive >> hundreds of submissions every day regarding different subjects. In order >> to >> make their work easier and streamline the volume they receive, they use a >> quiet algorythm that is worked against some mathematical formula regarding >> the populous of their district and state to determine the worth of all >> contacts andthe level of risk a politician has if they do not give the >> particular issue public attention. In a nutshell here is how it works: >> >> When they receive E-MAIL contacts they are bundled into sheer numbers >> alone >> and aside from an automatically generated letter back to the sender, >> LITTLE >> IF ANY REVIEW takes place as they are LOWEST in vote risk worth. >> >> ONLINE PETITIONS ARE ALMOST ALWAYS INNEFECTIVE AND ARE GENERALLY IGNORED >> ALTOGETHER, because there is no way to verify the sender, their location >> in >> the elected official's district and they are almost always in an improper >> format. >> >> LETTERS WRITTEN USING YOUR COMPUTER that are NOT boiler plate outlines >> drafted by someone else, rate higher on the vote risk scale. >> >> HAND TYPED LETTERS ON A TYPEWRITER, rate even higher on the vote risk >> scale >> but not by much, but they show a direct effort by the writer. Pretty >> goofy, >> eh? >> >> TELEPHONE CALLS are attention getters too, but in the end all they do is >> count the numbers and compare them against the population at large. Rarely >> is a call ever returned by anyone but an office pogue. >> >> THE MOST EFFECTIVE TYPE OF CORRESPONDENCE that will almost always get to >> them or at least their Chief or Staff are HANDWRITTEN letters in BLUE INK >> (more personal than business black) on PERSONAL STATIONERY like grandma >> uses >> when she writes a letter to you. In the formula they have established that >> a >> single handwritten letter in this manner potentially translates to >> thousands >> of potential votes at risk, or even higher based upon the population. I >> don't get it either. >> >> I know this whole thing sounds goofy and you are free to shake your head >> and dismiss it as just babble from some kook from California, but I work >> for >> an elected official and have worked on several campaigns for public >> positions. Please focus your efforts and use the economy of your forces >> to >> make the biggest impact! I have always enjoyed the genealogical resources >> Michigan has to offer and especially all the effort the Rootsweb >> volunteers >> like Pat Hamp and Caroline Obertien in the Saginaw and Midland areas and >> the >> hundreds of other county listowners. Good luck with your fight and thank >> your all of your efforts on behalf of those of us from other states. >> >> Sincerely, >> Kevin O'Brien >> Laguna Hills, CA >> >> ***************************** >> The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. 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good John....you are right....my daddy was right there with you...he was on a tender the USS Blackhawk....   it is wrong to do that witht the history....  --- On Fri, 7/24/09, John Long <longjohn144@gmail.com> wrote: From: John Long <longjohn144@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] WHEN WRITING TO ELECTED OFFICIALS ABOUT THELIBRARY... To: "brandal" <wintertime@netonecom.net> Cc: "Robert J. DeMott" <bobdemott@hotmail.com>, mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com, "Kenny Long" <greatwhite1116@yahoo.com>, "mary rathbun" <upnorthishome@yahoo.com> Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 5:04 PM To all my friends in MI, Sorry if I ruffled anyone's feathers. I'm thinking of my genealogical forefathers in the Continental Congress …what would they think abt the deterioration of the "freedom of speech" issue now… after all these years. Let's look at the American Constitution and the Bill of Rights, again. For those who don't know where to look… I suggest you go to your local LIBRARY… don't you know. There may be some passages that could prove of interest. And those wonderful people… the librarian folks …are only too willing to help you. Don't think for one minute I'm not concerned abt my beloved MI. From 1942 to 1946, I was on the beaches in the Pacific… from Guadalcanal to Saipan. Why? I believe it was to keep the enemy from MI …and also, to protect my "freedom of speech" don't you see. I don't intend to beat the issue any further. Just had to make my statement. Believe I earned to right to do so. Will now retreat back again… back to the hiding generation. Bye! John E Long Member Society of Mayflower Descendants Member of Sons of the American Revolution Etc…………… On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:15 PM, brandal <wintertime@netonecom.net> wrote: > I am so with you. That Michigan's problems will be gone come next year.  I > can't wait. She is destroying MI.  She is cutting things she shouldn't even > be touching and yet her and friends live in the lap of luxury. (sp). She > needs to cut spending right there in her own office and leave everything > else alone. > > I will call the sexton of Marion again. He hasn't called me back yet. > > Vivian > > Kevin would probably call anyone kook if it exposes them. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Long" <longjohn144@gmail.com> > To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "Kenny Long" <greatwhite1116@yahoo.com>; "Irvin C Rabideau" < > icr@waterford.lib.mi.us> > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:17 AM > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] WHEN WRITING TO ELECTED OFFICIALS ABOUT > THELIBRARY... > > > >   What Kevin O'Brien tells you is not just some idle rambling from "a kook > in California." I am somewhat surprised that one of us homo sapiens would > take the time to speak the truth concerning one of the problems in our > political system. In a few more months, our problem in Lansing will leave > office… and we may be lucky in the next office holder who, hopefully, will > have a more realistic set of priorities. > >    I'm a Floridian, now. Escaped from Michigan a few yrs back. May return > …if "the economic climate" ever gets better. Incidentally, I hold 3 college > degrees,  plus a lotta post-grad work …just in case you think me a "kook in > Florida." …but, I still may be …may have to think abt that. > >   Concerning libraries …all of us should realize that they are the best > source of education for all of us …especially the underprivileged and near > poverty stricken children… our future leaders. Politicians should take note > of this fact …if they really care. > >   John > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Kevin O'Brien <kevinobrien8527@cox.net > >wrote: > >  Dear Friends, >>   Unfortunately I live in California so other than offering some advice I >> am powerless to help much, but I am sharing what I know about political >> efforts and getting the attention of your  elected officials. >>   When writing or contacting any elected official, remember they receive >> hundreds of submissions every day regarding different subjects. In order >> to >> make their work easier and streamline the volume they receive, they use a >> quiet algorythm that is worked against some mathematical formula regarding >> the populous of their district and state to determine the worth of all >> contacts andthe level of risk a politician has if they do not give the >> particular issue public attention. In a nutshell here is how it works: >> >> When they receive E-MAIL contacts they are bundled into sheer numbers >> alone >> and aside from an automatically generated letter back to the sender, >> LITTLE >> IF ANY REVIEW takes place as they are LOWEST in vote risk worth. >> >> ONLINE PETITIONS ARE ALMOST ALWAYS INNEFECTIVE AND ARE GENERALLY IGNORED >> ALTOGETHER, because there is no way to verify the sender, their location >> in >> the elected official's district and they are almost always in an improper >> format. >> >> LETTERS WRITTEN USING YOUR COMPUTER that are NOT boiler plate outlines >> drafted by someone else, rate higher on the vote risk scale. >> >> HAND TYPED LETTERS ON A TYPEWRITER, rate even higher on the vote risk >> scale >> but not by much, but they show a direct effort by the writer. Pretty >> goofy, >> eh? >> >> TELEPHONE CALLS are attention getters too, but in the end all they do is >> count the numbers and compare them against the population at large. Rarely >> is a call ever returned by anyone but an office pogue. >> >> THE MOST EFFECTIVE TYPE OF CORRESPONDENCE that will almost always get to >> them or at least their Chief or Staff are HANDWRITTEN letters in BLUE INK >> (more personal than business black) on PERSONAL STATIONERY like grandma >> uses >> when she writes a letter to you. In the formula they have established that >> a >> single handwritten letter in this manner potentially translates to >> thousands >> of potential votes at risk, or even higher based upon the population. I >> don't get it either. >> >>   I know this whole thing sounds goofy and you are free to shake your head >> and dismiss it as just babble from some kook from California, but I work >> for >> an elected official and have worked on several campaigns for public >> positions.  Please focus your efforts and use the economy of your forces >> to >> make the biggest impact!  I have always enjoyed the genealogical resources >> Michigan has to offer and especially all the effort the Rootsweb >> volunteers >> like Pat Hamp and Caroline Obertien in the Saginaw and Midland areas and >> the >> hundreds of other county listowners.  Good luck with your fight and thank >> your all of your efforts on behalf of those of us from other states. >> >> Sincerely, >> Kevin O'Brien >> Laguna Hills, CA >> >> ***************************** >> The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect >> others by keeping your postings to this theme. >> MI-Genealogy Mail List Information >> http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html >> ***************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>  ***************************** > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect > others by keeping your postings to this theme. > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > ***************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. 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someone needs to make her aware that SHE TOO will be removed from history as govenor....ah too bad...   give me a break...this is crazy....  --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Brian A Walters <christelmarlene@sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Brian A Walters <christelmarlene@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] WHEN WRITING TO ELECTED OFFICIALS ABOUT THELIBRARY... To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 10:54 PM I agree with you, John, you have the constitutional right to speak your mind.  The current governor is no friend to genealogists, or history buffs for that matter, regardless of political party affiliation.  You most certainly earned the right to speak out by fighting for the good old USA during WWII.  It is the soldier who gave us our freedom, not some reporter, as the poem goes. We need to protect and preserve our history, not relegate it to some government committee, where history might be re-written.  As Patrick Henry stated famously...."Give me liberty, or give me death!"  Our ancestors fought for freedom. That means freedom to speak one's mind. George Santayana said "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it."  How can we learn from history if our libraries aren't protected? Norman Cousins said " A library, to modify the famous metaphor of Socrates, should be the delivery room for the birth of ideas- a place where history comes to life." We need our libraries.  Michigan library might be first, what is next, our local libraries?  Very bad precedence. Christel Member of Michigan Mayflower Society Member of Michigan Daughters of the American Revolution ________________________________ From: John Long <longjohn144@gmail.com> To: brandal <wintertime@netonecom.net> Cc: Robert J. DeMott <bobdemott@hotmail.com>; mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com; Kenny Long <greatwhite1116@yahoo.com>; mary rathbun <upnorthishome@yahoo.com> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 5:04:47 PM Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] WHEN WRITING TO ELECTED OFFICIALS ABOUT THELIBRARY... To all my friends in MI, Sorry if I ruffled anyone's feathers. I'm thinking of my genealogical forefathers in the Continental Congress …what would they think abt the deterioration of the "freedom of speech" issue now… after all these years. Let's look at the American Constitution and the Bill of Rights, again. For those who don't know where to look… I suggest you go to your local LIBRARY… don't you know. There may be some passages that could prove of interest. And those wonderful people… the librarian folks …are only too willing to help you. Don't think for one minute I'm not concerned abt my beloved MI. From 1942 to 1946, I was on the beaches in the Pacific… from Guadalcanal to Saipan. Why? I believe it was to keep the enemy from MI …and also, to protect my "freedom of speech" don't you see. I don't intend to beat the issue any further. Just had to make my statement. Believe I earned to right to do so. Will now retreat back again… back to the hiding generation. Bye! John E Long Member Society of Mayflower Descendants Member of Sons of the American Revolution Etc…………… On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:15 PM, brandal <wintertime@netonecom.net> wrote: > I am so with you. That Michigan's problems will be gone come next year.  I > can't wait. She is destroying MI.  She is cutting things she shouldn't even > be touching and yet her and friends live in the lap of luxury. (sp). She > needs to cut spending right there in her own office and leave everything > else alone. > > I will call the sexton of Marion again. He hasn't called me back yet. > > Vivian > > Kevin would probably call anyone kook if it exposes them. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Long" <longjohn144@gmail.com> > To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "Kenny Long" <greatwhite1116@yahoo.com>; "Irvin C Rabideau" < > icr@waterford.lib.mi.us> > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:17 AM > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] WHEN WRITING TO ELECTED OFFICIALS ABOUT > THELIBRARY... > > > >   What Kevin O'Brien tells you is not just some idle rambling from "a kook > in California." I am somewhat surprised that one of us homo sapiens would > take the time to speak the truth concerning one of the problems in our > political system. In a few more months, our problem in Lansing will leave > office… and we may be lucky in the next office holder who, hopefully, will > have a more realistic set of priorities. > >    I'm a Floridian, now. Escaped from Michigan a few yrs back. May return > …if "the economic climate" ever gets better. Incidentally, I hold 3 college > degrees,  plus a lotta post-grad work …just in case you think me a "kook in > Florida." …but, I still may be …may have to think abt that. > >   Concerning libraries …all of us should realize that they are the best > source of education for all of us …especially the underprivileged and near > poverty stricken children… our future leaders. Politicians should take note > of this fact …if they really care. > >   John > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Kevin O'Brien <kevinobrien8527@cox.net > >wrote: > >  Dear Friends, >>   Unfortunately I live in California so other than offering some advice I >> am powerless to help much, but I am sharing what I know about political >> efforts and getting the attention of your  elected officials. >>   When writing or contacting any elected official, remember they receive >> hundreds of submissions every day regarding different subjects. In order >> to >> make their work easier and streamline the volume they receive, they use a >> quiet algorythm that is worked against some mathematical formula regarding >> the populous of their district and state to determine the worth of all >> contacts andthe level of risk a politician has if they do not give the >> particular issue public attention. In a nutshell here is how it works: >> >> When they receive E-MAIL contacts they are bundled into sheer numbers >> alone >> and aside from an automatically generated letter back to the sender, >> LITTLE >> IF ANY REVIEW takes place as they are LOWEST in vote risk worth. >> >> ONLINE PETITIONS ARE ALMOST ALWAYS INNEFECTIVE AND ARE GENERALLY IGNORED >> ALTOGETHER, because there is no way to verify the sender, their location >> in >> the elected official's district and they are almost always in an improper >> format. >> >> LETTERS WRITTEN USING YOUR COMPUTER that are NOT boiler plate outlines >> drafted by someone else, rate higher on the vote risk scale. >> >> HAND TYPED LETTERS ON A TYPEWRITER, rate even higher on the vote risk >> scale >> but not by much, but they show a direct effort by the writer. Pretty >> goofy, >> eh? >> >> TELEPHONE CALLS are attention getters too, but in the end all they do is >> count the numbers and compare them against the population at large. Rarely >> is a call ever returned by anyone but an office pogue. >> >> THE MOST EFFECTIVE TYPE OF CORRESPONDENCE that will almost always get to >> them or at least their Chief or Staff are HANDWRITTEN letters in BLUE INK >> (more personal than business black) on PERSONAL STATIONERY like grandma >> uses >> when she writes a letter to you. In the formula they have established that >> a >> single handwritten letter in this manner potentially translates to >> thousands >> of potential votes at risk, or even higher based upon the population. I >> don't get it either. >> >>   I know this whole thing sounds goofy and you are free to shake your head >> and dismiss it as just babble from some kook from California, but I work >> for >> an elected official and have worked on several campaigns for public >> positions.  Please focus your efforts and use the economy of your forces >> to >> make the biggest impact!  I have always enjoyed the genealogical resources >> Michigan has to offer and especially all the effort the Rootsweb >> volunteers >> like Pat Hamp and Caroline Obertien in the Saginaw and Midland areas and >> the >> hundreds of other county listowners.  Good luck with your fight and thank >> your all of your efforts on behalf of those of us from other states. >> >> Sincerely, >> Kevin O'Brien >> Laguna Hills, CA >> >> ***************************** >> The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect >> others by keeping your postings to this theme. >> MI-Genealogy Mail List Information >> http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html >> ***************************** >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>  ***************************** > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect > others by keeping your postings to this theme. > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > ***************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. 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The following is a list of records from the Michigan Marriage Index Database: NAME,SPOUSE,COUNTY,COUNTY2,DATE,DOCUMENT,INFO ======================================================== BETSY CECELIA TEETS,WELLINGTON W PIERCE,SANILAC,--,17 AUG 1885,--,-- CAROL L TEETS,EDWARD S MAYER,SHIAWASSEE,--,00 XXB 1956,--,-- ELIZABETH - TEETS,HIRAM - MARSTON,ALPENA,--,16 AUG 1882,--,-- EMMA - TEETS,GEORGE W HUIT,SANILAC,--,12 JUL 1879,--,-- GEORGE NELSON TEETS,SARAH JAINE LETT,SANILAC,--,08 OCT 1875,--,-- ISAAC - TEETS,MARY N NEIMAN,BERRIEN,--,28 SEP 1873,CTY REC# 0321,-- JOHN - TEETS,ELIZABETH - RAMSAY,WASHTENAW,--,10 FEB 1866,--,-- LILLIAN - TEETS,HENRY J WESTPHAL,BERRIEN,--,18 APR 1894,CTY REC# 0090,-- SARAH ANN TEETS,WILLIAM - HINKLEY,SANILAC,--,11 APR 1876,--,-- SHARON - TEETS,RICHARD LEE THAYER,UNKNOWN,--,00 XXX 1967,--,jackdibean@modempool.com Please let us know if you find any family connection. Jack & Marianne Dibean - Lansing Michigan GenWeb Archives: http://usgwarchives.org/marriages/michigan/michigan.htm Email Address: jackdibean@modempool.com WWII Memorial: www.wwiimemorial.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "uretta mitchell" <urettaj@centurytel.net> To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Willing to research for you on Ancestry > Thank you for offering I am looking for the dearth date and burial of > Richie > E. Teets , > Born in 1864 in Ohio. Lived in Perry, Allen Co., Ohio in 1880 and was 16 > years old Father was David Teets, was born @1833, Mother was Mary > Engsley, > both born in Ohio. Beleive whole family lived in Perry, Ohio > Richie married Jeanette born @ 1869 Ohio. and they had four children. But > beleive they moved to MI and all children were born in MI. Had two boys > and > two girls. Females werre Glenna C., and Helene M. boys are Vivian E and > Paul > T. they all live in Detroit in 1922 as that is when he marr. my > grandmother > Agnes Teets. 21 Oct. 1922. Both Richie and Agnes were widowiers . Hope > this > gives you enough info to find something.Uretta. > > ***************************** > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect > others by keeping your postings to this theme. > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > ***************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I agree with you, John, you have the constitutional right to speak your mind. The current governor is no friend to genealogists, or history buffs for that matter, regardless of political party affiliation. You most certainly earned the right to speak out by fighting for the good old USA during WWII. It is the soldier who gave us our freedom, not some reporter, as the poem goes. We need to protect and preserve our history, not relegate it to some government committee, where history might be re-written. As Patrick Henry stated famously...."Give me liberty, or give me death!" Our ancestors fought for freedom. That means freedom to speak one's mind. George Santayana said "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." How can we learn from history if our libraries aren't protected? Norman Cousins said " A library, to modify the famous metaphor of Socrates, should be the delivery room for the birth of ideas- a place where history comes to life." We need our libraries. Michigan library might be first, what is next, our local libraries? Very bad precedence. Christel Member of Michigan Mayflower Society Member of Michigan Daughters of the American Revolution ________________________________ From: John Long <longjohn144@gmail.com> To: brandal <wintertime@netonecom.net> Cc: Robert J. DeMott <bobdemott@hotmail.com>; mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com; Kenny Long <greatwhite1116@yahoo.com>; mary rathbun <upnorthishome@yahoo.com> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 5:04:47 PM Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] WHEN WRITING TO ELECTED OFFICIALS ABOUT THELIBRARY... To all my friends in MI, Sorry if I ruffled anyone's feathers. I'm thinking of my genealogical forefathers in the Continental Congress …what would they think abt the deterioration of the "freedom of speech" issue now… after all these years. Let's look at the American Constitution and the Bill of Rights, again. For those who don't know where to look… I suggest you go to your local LIBRARY… don't you know. There may be some passages that could prove of interest. And those wonderful people… the librarian folks …are only too willing to help you. Don't think for one minute I'm not concerned abt my beloved MI. From 1942 to 1946, I was on the beaches in the Pacific… from Guadalcanal to Saipan. Why? I believe it was to keep the enemy from MI …and also, to protect my "freedom of speech" don't you see. I don't intend to beat the issue any further. Just had to make my statement. Believe I earned to right to do so. Will now retreat back again… back to the hiding generation. Bye! John E Long Member Society of Mayflower Descendants Member of Sons of the American Revolution Etc…………… On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:15 PM, brandal <wintertime@netonecom.net> wrote: > I am so with you. That Michigan's problems will be gone come next year. I > can't wait. She is destroying MI. She is cutting things she shouldn't even > be touching and yet her and friends live in the lap of luxury. (sp). She > needs to cut spending right there in her own office and leave everything > else alone. > > I will call the sexton of Marion again. He hasn't called me back yet. > > Vivian > > Kevin would probably call anyone kook if it exposes them. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Long" <longjohn144@gmail.com> > To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "Kenny Long" <greatwhite1116@yahoo.com>; "Irvin C Rabideau" < > icr@waterford.lib.mi.us> > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:17 AM > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] WHEN WRITING TO ELECTED OFFICIALS ABOUT > THELIBRARY... > > > > What Kevin O'Brien tells you is not just some idle rambling from "a kook > in California." I am somewhat surprised that one of us homo sapiens would > take the time to speak the truth concerning one of the problems in our > political system. In a few more months, our problem in Lansing will leave > office… and we may be lucky in the next office holder who, hopefully, will > have a more realistic set of priorities. > > I'm a Floridian, now. Escaped from Michigan a few yrs back. May return > …if "the economic climate" ever gets better. Incidentally, I hold 3 college > degrees, plus a lotta post-grad work …just in case you think me a "kook in > Florida." …but, I still may be …may have to think abt that. > > Concerning libraries …all of us should realize that they are the best > source of education for all of us …especially the underprivileged and near > poverty stricken children… our future leaders. Politicians should take note > of this fact …if they really care. > > John > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Kevin O'Brien <kevinobrien8527@cox.net > >wrote: > > Dear Friends, >> Unfortunately I live in California so other than offering some advice I >> am powerless to help much, but I am sharing what I know about political >> efforts and getting the attention of your elected officials. >> When writing or contacting any elected official, remember they receive >> hundreds of submissions every day regarding different subjects. In order >> to >> make their work easier and streamline the volume they receive, they use a >> quiet algorythm that is worked against some mathematical formula regarding >> the populous of their district and state to determine the worth of all >> contacts andthe level of risk a politician has if they do not give the >> particular issue public attention. In a nutshell here is how it works: >> >> When they receive E-MAIL contacts they are bundled into sheer numbers >> alone >> and aside from an automatically generated letter back to the sender, >> LITTLE >> IF ANY REVIEW takes place as they are LOWEST in vote risk worth. >> >> ONLINE PETITIONS ARE ALMOST ALWAYS INNEFECTIVE AND ARE GENERALLY IGNORED >> ALTOGETHER, because there is no way to verify the sender, their location >> in >> the elected official's district and they are almost always in an improper >> format. >> >> LETTERS WRITTEN USING YOUR COMPUTER that are NOT boiler plate outlines >> drafted by someone else, rate higher on the vote risk scale. >> >> HAND TYPED LETTERS ON A TYPEWRITER, rate even higher on the vote risk >> scale >> but not by much, but they show a direct effort by the writer. Pretty >> goofy, >> eh? >> >> TELEPHONE CALLS are attention getters too, but in the end all they do is >> count the numbers and compare them against the population at large. Rarely >> is a call ever returned by anyone but an office pogue. >> >> THE MOST EFFECTIVE TYPE OF CORRESPONDENCE that will almost always get to >> them or at least their Chief or Staff are HANDWRITTEN letters in BLUE INK >> (more personal than business black) on PERSONAL STATIONERY like grandma >> uses >> when she writes a letter to you. In the formula they have established that >> a >> single handwritten letter in this manner potentially translates to >> thousands >> of potential votes at risk, or even higher based upon the population. I >> don't get it either. >> >> I know this whole thing sounds goofy and you are free to shake your head >> and dismiss it as just babble from some kook from California, but I work >> for >> an elected official and have worked on several campaigns for public >> positions. Please focus your efforts and use the economy of your forces >> to >> make the biggest impact! I have always enjoyed the genealogical resources >> Michigan has to offer and especially all the effort the Rootsweb >> volunteers >> like Pat Hamp and Caroline Obertien in the Saginaw and Midland areas and >> the >> hundreds of other county listowners. Good luck with your fight and thank >> your all of your efforts on behalf of those of us from other states. >> >> Sincerely, >> Kevin O'Brien >> Laguna Hills, CA >> >> ***************************** >> The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. 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Can we please just stick to issues about the Library of MI and ways to contact our elected officials and ask for their help in keeping Michigan's valuable resources. I know we all have feelings about the officials elected in Michigan, however they were elected and that point doesn't have anything to do with our genealogy, other than us trying our best to convince them to leave this most valuable resource alone for future generations to come. Thanks for your cooperation. Jan Co-Listowner