Just want to thank you for the help. And it did help. It broke a stalemate in trying to find any more infor. on my great grandparents. Again thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" <circlescape@gmail.com> To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] married names Hi Shirley- I have come across that situation a few times and in almost all cases, yes, it meant that she was previously married. However, and I only figured this out after doing more in-depth searching..., in one circumstance the bride's father had died and her mother re-married. She used the step-father's surname like it was a previous marriage. In one census I had found all the children listed under the step-father's surname. That was why I couldn't find the family for that one census. If you look at the LDS site; search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start , you'll see that both Martha and Robert were each married once previously. The one that still puzzles me is the bride that used her sister's husband's name as HER father's name. I just wonder who filled out the application. SISU! John in Racine WI Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:17:53 -0400 > From: "shirley m brown" <yankeeduck43@cfl.rr.com> > Subject: [MI-GENEALOGY] married names > To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> > > My great grandmother's last name was Fletcher. When she married, on the > marriage certificat it showed Martha Fletcher Elsworth. Does her last name > mean she was married before taking on the Hoffman's name? I know that her > last name is Fletcher because on the marriage certificate it states her > father's name as John Fletcher. > > -- “The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face.” *Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handy* ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. MI-Genealogy Mail List Information http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html ***************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
When was Benjamin Sneden born? Do you have his death record from Kent County, or did he die somewhere else? Do you know what year he died? -----Original Message----- From: mi-genealogy-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mi-genealogy-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of cssnowstar@cs.com Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 6:48 PM To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com Subject: [MI-GENEALOGY] TRYING TO CONNECT MY GGGGrandfather Sneden to his Parents Hi everyone, My Great great great grandfather Benjamin Sneden, who settled in Kent County prior to the 1860 census, reputedly came from New York. Michigan census data confirms a New York birth. He came to Michigan via Huron County, Ohio (where my GGGrandfather Herman was born according to his Civil War enlistment papers) and Wood County, Ohio, where his first wife (my ggggrandmother) died, as did one of his sons. He remarried while in Wood County. The second wife is buried with him in Michigan (although his name is also listed on my ggggrandmother's tombstone). Here's my issue. I BELIEVE (note the verb -- I have no proof) that his parents were Abraham Sneden (alt spelling Sneeden) Jr. & his wife Catherine. I can't find them in the Ohio census records or the New York census records. I don't know when they might have arrived in Ohio. There are family trees on line which indicate that they died in Ohio in approximately 1846 (not necessarily Wood County). I can't find death records on them. I'm a member of both the Wood County and Lorain County branches of the Ohio Genealogical Society but haven't been able to find anything helpful on this subject via that route. Does anybody have anything to suggest on what to try next? I live in Hawaii, so solutions requiring personal visits to locations will not work well. Cathy ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. MI-Genealogy Mail List Information http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html ***************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. MI-Genealogy Mail List Information http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html ***************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi everyone, My Great great great grandfather Benjamin Sneden, who settled in Kent County prior to the 1860 census, reputedly came from New York. Michigan census data confirms a New York birth. He came to Michigan via Huron County, Ohio (where my GGGrandfather Herman was born according to his Civil War enlistment papers) and Wood County, Ohio, where his first wife (my ggggrandmother) died, as did one of his sons. He remarried while in Wood County. The second wife is buried with him in Michigan (although his name is also listed on my ggggrandmother's tombstone). Here's my issue. I BELIEVE (note the verb -- I have no proof) that his parents were Abraham Sneden (alt spelling Sneeden) Jr. & his wife Catherine. I can't find them in the Ohio census records or the New York census records. I don't know when they might have arrived in Ohio. There are family trees on line which indicate that they died in Ohio in approximately 1846 (not necessarily Wood County). I can't find death records on them. I'm a member of both the Wood County and Lorain County branches of the Ohio Genealogical Society but haven't been able to find anything helpful on this subject via that route. Does anybody have anything to suggest on what to try next? I live in Hawaii, so solutions requiring personal visits to locations will not work well. Cathy ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. MI-Genealogy Mail List Information http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html ***************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com
Hi everyone, My Great great great grandfather Benjamin Sneden, who settled in Kent County prior to the 1860 census, reputedly came from New York. Michigan census data confirms a New York birth. He came to Michigan via Huron County, Ohio (where my GGGrandfather Herman was born according to his Civil War enlistment papers) and Wood County, Ohio, where his first wife (my ggggrandmother) died, as did one of his sons. He remarried while in Wood County. The second wife is buried with him in Michigan (although his name is also listed on my ggggrandmother's tombstone). Here's my issue. I BELIEVE (note the verb -- I have no proof) that his parents were Abraham Sneden (alt spelling Sneeden) Jr. & his wife Catherine. I can't find them in the Ohio census records or the New York census records. I don't know when they might have arrived in Ohio. There are family trees on line which indicate that they died in Ohio in approximately 1846 (not necessarily Wood County). I can't find death records on them. I'm a member of both the Wood County and Lorain County branches of the Ohio Genealogical Society but haven't been able to find anything helpful on this subject via that route. Does anybody have anything to suggest on what to try next? I live in Hawaii, so solutions requiring personal visits to locations will not work well. Cathy ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. MI-Genealogy Mail List Information http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html ***************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com
Good idea, Pat. But, it will take a lot of volunteers and would have to be started soon. John On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 11:28 AM, PATSY <precious2842@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > plus if all the info was put on cds.....it would take less storage > room....so the donated money could go to buying the cds....or cds. could be > donated..... > > --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Leisa Shewalter <lmshewalt@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > From: Leisa Shewalter <lmshewalt@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Ways to Save the State of Michigan Library > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 10:28 AM > > > > Kathy, I absolutely agree. A small fee from each user could add up to a lot > of support. I think of it this way: when we consider going to a movie we > automatically accept the ticket will cost X amount of dollars. Why not give > up a movie or two and give the money to the Library instead. > Leisa > > --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Kathy Londo Barnes <digginroots@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > From: Kathy Londo Barnes <digginroots@yahoo.com> > > Subject: [MI-GENEALOGY] Ways to Save the State of Michigan Library > > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > > Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 10:14 AM > > We already pay parking. We already > > pay for copies. Why not pay a minute entrance fee to the > > facilities? Yes, I know our taxes already support the > > running of the library, archives and the museum. However, > > I'd gladly pay a dollar or two to walk into the library. > > It might help pay for the electricity that's running the > > computers that are used by those who don't have one at > > home. That dollar or two would be taken from everyone who > > walks in. Walk into the archives-pay your dollar or two. > > It's cheap entertainment (for someone like me who really > > enjoys such things it's entertaining....) Same with the > > museum. I have to pay to walk into any other museum in the > > state, why not? > > > > Said my piece. > > > > Kathy Londo Barnes > > Let's Save our Library!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > ***************************** > > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. > > Please respect others by keeping your postings to this > > theme. > > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > > ***************************** > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ***************************** > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect > others by keeping your postings to this theme. > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > ***************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ***************************** > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect > others by keeping your postings to this theme. > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > ***************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Thank you for your suggestion, Uretta.
Hi Shirley- I have come across that situation a few times and in almost all cases, yes, it meant that she was previously married. However, and I only figured this out after doing more in-depth searching..., in one circumstance the bride's father had died and her mother re-married. She used the step-father's surname like it was a previous marriage. In one census I had found all the children listed under the step-father's surname. That was why I couldn't find the family for that one census. If you look at the LDS site; search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start , you'll see that both Martha and Robert were each married once previously. The one that still puzzles me is the bride that used her sister's husband's name as HER father's name. I just wonder who filled out the application. SISU! John in Racine WI Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:17:53 -0400 > From: "shirley m brown" <yankeeduck43@cfl.rr.com> > Subject: [MI-GENEALOGY] married names > To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> > > My great grandmother's last name was Fletcher. When she married, on the > marriage certificat it showed Martha Fletcher Elsworth. Does her last name > mean she was married before taking on the Hoffman's name? I know that her > last name is Fletcher because on the marriage certificate it states her > father's name as John Fletcher. > > -- “The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face.” *Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handy*
another thing that makes it hard to find someone....is the spelling of the name... my line started out REIJNERSE back in the 1400s...and my name is RHYNDRESS he is my grtgrtgrtgrtgrandfather..... and in doing census search....i had one census where the father, his son, his daughter all spelled their name diff.... that is the reason for sound search...those that didn't know how to spell , the census taker would spell the best he could,....so now i have about 12 different spellings of my last name.....that's fun, trying to find someone.. just like right now i'm trying to find where my grtgrndmother died and when...i have her on the 1920 census with Jacob Clark as servant...her last married name was FOOT(E)..with an E according to marriage license.1908..that i have a copy of...she has a son that dropped down to Pontiac, Oakland, MI and a son that went to California... and we can't find her on the 1930 census....last known in West Branch, Ogemaw, MI Patsy --- On Mon, 7/27/09, John <circlescape@gmail.com> wrote: From: John <circlescape@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] married names To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 11:35 AM Hi Shirley- I have come across that situation a few times and in almost all cases, yes, it meant that she was previously married. However, and I only figured this out after doing more in-depth searching..., in one circumstance the bride's father had died and her mother re-married. She used the step-father's surname like it was a previous marriage. In one census I had found all the children listed under the step-father's surname. That was why I couldn't find the family for that one census. If you look at the LDS site; search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start , you'll see that both Martha and Robert were each married once previously. The one that still puzzles me is the bride that used her sister's husband's name as HER father's name. I just wonder who filled out the application. SISU! John in Racine WI Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:17:53 -0400 > From: "shirley m brown" <yankeeduck43@cfl.rr.com> > Subject: [MI-GENEALOGY] married names > To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> > > My great grandmother's last name was Fletcher. When she married, on the > marriage certificat it showed Martha Fletcher Elsworth. Does her last name > mean she was married before taking on the Hoffman's name? I know that her > last name is Fletcher because on the marriage certificate it states her > father's name as John Fletcher. > > -- “The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face.” *Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handy* ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. MI-Genealogy Mail List Information http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html ***************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
The link I use to find Saginaw deaths is: http://obits.netsource-one.net/ This has helped me greatly as I'm in FL and all my relatives on all sides are in Saginaw and Reese. Cinder
It appears as though she was married more than once. If you could get a copy of the marriage record it would tell you if she was previously married. Jack & Marianne Dibean - Lansing Michigan GenWeb Archives: http://usgwarchives.org/marriages/michigan/michigan.htm Email Address: jackdibean@modempool.com WWII Memorial: www.wwiimemorial.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "shirley m brown" <yankeeduck43@cfl.rr.com> To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: [MI-GENEALOGY] married names > My great grandmother's last name was Fletcher. When she married, on the > marriage certificat it showed Martha Fletcher Elsworth. Does her last name > mean she was married before taking on the Hoffman's name? I know that her > last name is Fletcher because on the marriage certificate it states her > father's name as John Fletcher. > ***************************** > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect > others by keeping your postings to this theme. > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > ***************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
I certainly don't want to wade into any political talk BUT I do want to thank you all for being so positive about your Libraries. I happen to work at the Vancouver Public Library in Vancouver British Columbia. Susan > From: mi-genealogy-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: MI-GENEALOGY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 177 > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:08:04 -0600 > > > > ***************************** > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > ***************************** > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Portage South Cemetery (Swgrinder@aol.com) > 2. Re: Portage South Cemetery (Carol Lloyd) > 3. Re: Ways to Save the State of Michigan Library (BACON) > 4. Re: Ways to Save the State of Michigan Library (Peggy Youngs) > 5. Re: Ways to Save the State of Michigan Library (Jan Cortez) > 6. Bacon Family History (Althea Blackburn) > 7. Re: Ways to Save the State of Michigan Library (John Long) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:35:25 EDT > From: Swgrinder@aol.com > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Portage South Cemetery > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <c19.5c2b1afe.379deddd@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Carol, > > You can visit our Kalamazoo County, Mi; Cemeteries on the Web website. We > have the South Cemetery (aka Portage South Cemetery) indexed with > photographs. > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mikccem/ > > Scott > Project Founder > > > Subj: [MI-GENEALOGY] Portage South Cemetery > > Date: 7/26/2009 11:43:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time > > From: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk > > Reply-to: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > > Sent from the Internet > > > > > > > > > > Hi listers, > > I was wondering if anyone has any information about the above cemetery? > > Is it in Kalamazoo? > > My relative is buried there. > > Regards, > > Carol > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Windows Live Messenger: Happy 10-Year Anniversary?get free winks and > > emoticons. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/ > > ***************************** > > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. 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We > > have the South Cemetery (aka Portage South Cemetery) indexed with > > photographs. > > > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mikccem/ > > > > Scott > > Project Founder > > > > > Subj: [MI-GENEALOGY] Portage South Cemetery > > > Date: 7/26/2009 11:43:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time > > > From: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk > > > Reply-to: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > > > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > > > Sent from the Internet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi listers, > > > I was wondering if anyone has any information about the above cemetery? > > > Is it in Kalamazoo? > > > My relative is buried there. > > > Regards, > > > Carol > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Windows Live Messenger: Happy 10-Year Anniversary?get free winks and > > > emoticons. > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/ > > > ***************************** > > > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. 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Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. > > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > > ***************************** > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live Messenger: Celebrate 10 amazing years with free winks and emoticons. > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 14:35:48 -0400 > From: "BACON" <dogon@iserv.net> > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Ways to Save the State of Michigan Library > To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <AE5E3FAFEA764030847A16F12E3CFA7F@D33R7CD1> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I'm not against the idea, but... > > doesn't it run contrary to the concept of a public library, as proposed by > Benjamin Franklin? Nevertheless, so many services have already gone the > way of "user fee", it may become the only way to preserve the services for > those who wish to have them available, even if they may become unaffordable > to the indigent. > > F. Bacon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathy Londo Barnes" <digginroots@yahoo.com> > To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> > Sent: July 26, 2009 10:14 AM > Subject: [MI-GENEALOGY] Ways to Save the State of Michigan Library > > > > We already pay parking. We already pay for copies. Why not pay a minute > > entrance fee to the facilities? Yes, I know our taxes already support the > > running of the library, archives and the museum. However, I'd gladly pay a > > dollar or two to walk into the library. It might help pay for the > > electricity that's running the computers that are used by those who don't > > have one at home. That dollar or two would be taken from everyone who > > walks in. Walk into the archives-pay your dollar or two. It's cheap > > entertainment (for someone like me who really enjoys such things it's > > entertaining....) Same with the museum. I have to pay to walk into any > > other museum in the state, why not? > > > > Said my piece. > > > > Kathy Londo Barnes > > Let's Save our Library!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > ***************************** > > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect > > others by keeping your postings to this theme. > > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > > ***************************** > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:29:37 -0400 > From: Peggy Youngs <peggy.youngs@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Ways to Save the State of Michigan Library > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <2b2a40b60907261229t49e975a9j9fa580a928a42d1@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > If one wants to use any of the materials in the closed stacks at the Detroit > Public Library, such as those in the Burton Historical Collection, you must > be a resident of the City of Detroit to access those materials without > charge. > Non-Detroit residents are assessed a $10.00 per day fee or $100.00 per > year charge. > > I do not think that "pay to play" at the Library of Michigan is against the > concept > of a public library. When I wrote to my representative, I posed the idea of > a > purchased library card to him. > > Peggy > > On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 2:35 PM, BACON <dogon@iserv.net> wrote: > > > I'm not against the idea, but... > > > > doesn't it run contrary to the concept of a public library, as proposed by > > Benjamin Franklin? Nevertheless, so many services have already gone the > > way of "user fee", it may become the only way to preserve the services for > > those who wish to have them available, even if they may become unaffordable > > to the indigent. > > > > F. Bacon > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:46:25 -0400 > From: "Jan Cortez" <janacortez@charter.net> > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Ways to Save the State of Michigan Library > To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <5386F7BB8FE841D38123F9A92C3E6D65@jan3b6d78105b3> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I guess that I have mixed feelings about this. Go figure..... Myself > personally, I wouldn't object to paying a fee of a couple dollars for the > use of the Library of Michigan. It's kind of like where I live. I am > restricted to a local rural library that is so small I may have more books > at home in my own library than they do. That is where the penal fines go > and also the ones supported by local government, etc.., etc. If I want to > go into town, which is just as close, I have to pay a $25.00 a year fee for > a library card and the ability to check out books. <sigh> > > What I don't like about the charging of fees for entrance is that the family > who may be living on minimum wage, if they are lucky, or the unemployed > families that want to take their child to the Library of Michigan and can't > afford the fee are out of luck. We talk so much about families and doing > things with our children, but, government is making it so restrictive that > the poor family can't even take their children to a State park without > paying a daily or yearly fee to enter. It just isn't right. > > I live close to Ferris State University and I watch them build, remodel and > tear down older buildings, that look pretty darn good to me, and I wonder > where the money comes from for that? Grants, probably. But, why are they > building when the economy is so bad in MI and fewer and fewer people can > afford to send their children to college. Seems like that money could be > used to better service the residents and the children of this State by > saving our History and preserving it right where we have it. > > Moving the materials from the Library of MI would entail a great deal of > cost and then to remodel the Library for other uses. I'd like to see what > the cost savings would really be in the end... Probably wouldn't be any. > > What is the solution? I really don't know. They can't add another fee on to > the smoker, as we have taxed them to death in this State as it is. Maybe > eliminate the border police for out of state cigarette buying? I wonder how > much that costs? How about the drinker? More tax on alcohol to support the > library? Both of those leave it to certain segments of the population that > have to pay for everything it seems. > > I once saw an article written in to the Grand Rapids Press where some one > advocated putting a tax on TP, as everyone uses it. <g> > > Now, I think that I am going to go hide before Pat, my Co-Coordinator of > this list moderates me and she probably will. > > Jan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peggy Youngs" <peggy.youngs@gmail.com> > > > > If one wants to use any of the materials in the closed stacks at the > > Detroit > > Public Library, such as those in the Burton Historical Collection, you > > must > > be a resident of the City of Detroit to access those materials without > > charge. > > Non-Detroit residents are assessed a $10.00 per day fee or $100.00 per > > year charge. > > > > I do not think that "pay to play" at the Library of Michigan is against > > the > > concept > > of a public library. When I wrote to my representative, I posed the idea > > of > > a > > purchased library card to him. > > > > Peggy > > > > On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 2:35 PM, BACON <dogon@iserv.net> wrote: > > > >> I'm not against the idea, but... > >> > >> doesn't it run contrary to the concept of a public library, as proposed > >> by > >> Benjamin Franklin? Nevertheless, so many services have already gone the > >> way of "user fee", it may become the only way to preserve the services > >> for > >> those who wish to have them available, even if they may become > >> unaffordable > >> to the indigent. > >> > >> F. Bacon > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:37:02 -0600 > From: "Althea Blackburn" <xanadune@collinscom.net> > Subject: [MI-GENEALOGY] Bacon Family History > To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <7DACA358A1B845D2994008D59BBC948D@LloydPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Sorry to send a personal message, but it failed trying to email F. Bacon who > sent the last message below, I have a Bacon family from Jackson Co, MI I am > working on, the first known ancestor is from England, if you connect, please > contact me, thanks, Althea > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BACON" <dogon@iserv.net> > To: <mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 12:35 PM > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Ways to Save the State of Michigan Library > > > > I'm not against the idea, but... > > > > doesn't it run contrary to the concept of a public library, as proposed by > > Benjamin Franklin? Nevertheless, so many services have already gone the > > way of "user fee", it may become the only way to preserve the services for > > those who wish to have them available, even if they may become > > unaffordable > > to the indigent. > > > > F. Bacon > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:07:52 -0400 > From: John Long <longjohn144@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Ways to Save the State of Michigan Library > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <277540fb0907261507s2397a271k4d96985c18e69269@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Dear Jan, > A couple days ago, I swore that I would retreat back to the "hiding > generation" and not get involved anymore in this discussion? but I just have > to say "this abt that"? with due respect to the memory of JFK. From reading > your written words of wisdom ?and reading into those words? things you leave > unexpressed? I see (or at least sincerely believe) you have a good grasp of > the situation existing in the real world of ?do I dare say it? MI political > economy. I agree with you 99.99% in what you say. But, it all depends on > whose ox is being gored?don't you know. > Incidentally, I do have a lot of GENEALOGICAL and Historical data on the > Joseph Kennedy Family ?from my Master's thesis research? that I was going to > leave to the Library of Michigan, on passing ?but now, I can't go ?don't you > see. > John > > On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Jan Cortez <janacortez@charter.net> wrote: > > > I guess that I have mixed feelings about this. Go figure..... Myself > > personally, I wouldn't object to paying a fee of a couple dollars for the > > use of the Library of Michigan. It's kind of like where I live. I am > > restricted to a local rural library that is so small I may have more books > > at home in my own library than they do. That is where the penal fines go > > and also the ones supported by local government, etc.., etc. If I want to > > go into town, which is just as close, I have to pay a $25.00 a year fee for > > a library card and the ability to check out books. <sigh> > > > > What I don't like about the charging of fees for entrance is that the > > family > > who may be living on minimum wage, if they are lucky, or the unemployed > > families that want to take their child to the Library of Michigan and > > can't > > afford the fee are out of luck. We talk so much about families and doing > > things with our children, but, government is making it so restrictive that > > the poor family can't even take their children to a State park without > > paying a daily or yearly fee to enter. It just isn't right. > > > > I live close to Ferris State University and I watch them build, remodel and > > tear down older buildings, that look pretty darn good to me, and I wonder > > where the money comes from for that? Grants, probably. But, why are they > > building when the economy is so bad in MI and fewer and fewer people can > > afford to send their children to college. Seems like that money could be > > used to better service the residents and the children of this State by > > saving our History and preserving it right where we have it. > > > > Moving the materials from the Library of MI would entail a great deal of > > cost and then to remodel the Library for other uses. I'd like to see what > > the cost savings would really be in the end... Probably wouldn't be any. > > > > What is the solution? I really don't know. They can't add another fee on > > to > > the smoker, as we have taxed them to death in this State as it is. Maybe > > eliminate the border police for out of state cigarette buying? I wonder > > how > > much that costs? How about the drinker? More tax on alcohol to support > > the > > library? Both of those leave it to certain segments of the population that > > have to pay for everything it seems. > > > > I once saw an article written in to the Grand Rapids Press where some one > > advocated putting a tax on TP, as everyone uses it. <g> > > > > Now, I think that I am going to go hide before Pat, my Co-Coordinator of > > this list moderates me and she probably will. > > > > Jan > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peggy Youngs" <peggy.youngs@gmail.com> > > > > > > > If one wants to use any of the materials in the closed stacks at the > > > Detroit > > > Public Library, such as those in the Burton Historical Collection, you > > > must > > > be a resident of the City of Detroit to access those materials without > > > charge. > > > Non-Detroit residents are assessed a $10.00 per day fee or $100.00 per > > > year charge. > > > > > > I do not think that "pay to play" at the Library of Michigan is against > > > the > > > concept > > > of a public library. When I wrote to my representative, I posed the idea > > > of > > > a > > > purchased library card to him. > > > > > > Peggy > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 2:35 PM, BACON <dogon@iserv.net> wrote: > > > > > >> I'm not against the idea, but... > > >> > > >> doesn't it run contrary to the concept of a public library, as proposed > > >> by > > >> Benjamin Franklin? Nevertheless, so many services have already gone > > the > > >> way of "user fee", it may become the only way to preserve the services > > >> for > > >> those who wish to have them available, even if they may become > > >> unaffordable > > >> to the indigent. > > >> > > >> F. Bacon > > > > ***************************** > > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. 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Hi Brenda. Walter Romig's book, "Michigan Place Names" has two Wheatfield's listed in Michigan. [pgs 596-597] Wheatfield, Calhoun County: Got its name in 1881 when its post office opened and the post office closed in 1896. Wheatfield, Ingham County: Got its name in 1841, opened its first post office in 1851 and the post office closed in 1855. Regards ~ Donna
> > Here is a site I use sometimes also to get death dates (forgot where I found it At but does work) > http://www.tribalpages.com >
Brenda: That would be Wheatfield Twp, Ingham Co, MI. I live in the area and can perhaps find the grave for you. There is a cemetery in Wheatfield Twp, also Summit Cemetery in Williamston, the town closest to Wheatfield Twp. Bev **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115)
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My great grandmother's last name was Fletcher. When she married, on the marriage certificat it showed Martha Fletcher Elsworth. Does her last name mean she was married before taking on the Hoffman's name? I know that her last name is Fletcher because on the marriage certificate it states her father's name as John Fletcher.
Scott, Thank you very much I will check it out :0) Kind Regards Carol In a wet UK is it Summer yet? > From: Swgrinder@aol.com > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:35:25 -0400 > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Portage South Cemetery > > Carol, > > You can visit our Kalamazoo County, Mi; Cemeteries on the Web website. We > have the South Cemetery (aka Portage South Cemetery) indexed with > photographs. > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mikccem/ > > Scott > Project Founder > > > Subj: [MI-GENEALOGY] Portage South Cemetery > > Date: 7/26/2009 11:43:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time > > From: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk > > Reply-to: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > > To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com > > Sent from the Internet > > > > > > > > > > Hi listers, > > I was wondering if anyone has any information about the above cemetery? > > Is it in Kalamazoo? > > My relative is buried there. > > Regards, > > Carol > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Windows Live Messenger: Happy 10-Year Anniversary—get free winks and > > emoticons. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/ > > ***************************** > > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect > > others by keeping your postings to this theme. > > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > > ***************************** > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > > and the body of the message > > > > > ************** > An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy > Steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221323048x1201367271/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& > bcd=JulyExcfooterNO62) > ***************************** > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > ***************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger: Celebrate 10 amazing years with free winks and emoticons. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/
I have to say, in all my visits to the Michigan Historical Complex over the past ten years, the only children I have seen in the building are school groups visiting the Historical Museum. That's not to say that children don't use the library, just that I never see them on the second floor using the collections used by genealogists. I truly don't know if they have a children's section in the library. I do know that the city of Lansing has its own library, so why have a children's section at the state library? Any child living more than a few blocks away would need to be brought there by parents or someone who drove them there. While I do see many MSU students and probably high school students on the second floor, they are always using the computers and I have not seen them using the books or microfilm. I think a library card or some other access charge could be applied for use of the second floor, which contains the Abrams Collection, the city directories, the local and county histories (Michigan Collection), and the newspaper microfilms. In other words, you could say this would be a tax on genealogists. But if you have people--and I know many--who pay $100/year to use the Burton Collection, why not ask us to pay to use the resources in Lansing? While I would not be jumping for joy at the prospect of paying, I would do so if it meant keeping the library. While I have the luxury of not having to pay for a library card to use my local library, I am aware that as funding dries up many libraries are having to ask patrons to pay. Peggy
Dear Jan, A couple days ago, I swore that I would retreat back to the "hiding generation" and not get involved anymore in this discussion… but I just have to say "this abt that"… with due respect to the memory of JFK. From reading your written words of wisdom …and reading into those words… things you leave unexpressed… I see (or at least sincerely believe) you have a good grasp of the situation existing in the real world of …do I dare say it… MI political economy. I agree with you 99.99% in what you say. But, it all depends on whose ox is being gored…don't you know. Incidentally, I do have a lot of GENEALOGICAL and Historical data on the Joseph Kennedy Family …from my Master's thesis research… that I was going to leave to the Library of Michigan, on passing …but now, I can't go …don't you see. John On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Jan Cortez <janacortez@charter.net> wrote: > I guess that I have mixed feelings about this. Go figure..... Myself > personally, I wouldn't object to paying a fee of a couple dollars for the > use of the Library of Michigan. It's kind of like where I live. I am > restricted to a local rural library that is so small I may have more books > at home in my own library than they do. That is where the penal fines go > and also the ones supported by local government, etc.., etc. If I want to > go into town, which is just as close, I have to pay a $25.00 a year fee for > a library card and the ability to check out books. <sigh> > > What I don't like about the charging of fees for entrance is that the > family > who may be living on minimum wage, if they are lucky, or the unemployed > families that want to take their child to the Library of Michigan and > can't > afford the fee are out of luck. We talk so much about families and doing > things with our children, but, government is making it so restrictive that > the poor family can't even take their children to a State park without > paying a daily or yearly fee to enter. It just isn't right. > > I live close to Ferris State University and I watch them build, remodel and > tear down older buildings, that look pretty darn good to me, and I wonder > where the money comes from for that? Grants, probably. But, why are they > building when the economy is so bad in MI and fewer and fewer people can > afford to send their children to college. Seems like that money could be > used to better service the residents and the children of this State by > saving our History and preserving it right where we have it. > > Moving the materials from the Library of MI would entail a great deal of > cost and then to remodel the Library for other uses. I'd like to see what > the cost savings would really be in the end... Probably wouldn't be any. > > What is the solution? I really don't know. They can't add another fee on > to > the smoker, as we have taxed them to death in this State as it is. Maybe > eliminate the border police for out of state cigarette buying? I wonder > how > much that costs? How about the drinker? More tax on alcohol to support > the > library? Both of those leave it to certain segments of the population that > have to pay for everything it seems. > > I once saw an article written in to the Grand Rapids Press where some one > advocated putting a tax on TP, as everyone uses it. <g> > > Now, I think that I am going to go hide before Pat, my Co-Coordinator of > this list moderates me and she probably will. > > Jan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peggy Youngs" <peggy.youngs@gmail.com> > > > > If one wants to use any of the materials in the closed stacks at the > > Detroit > > Public Library, such as those in the Burton Historical Collection, you > > must > > be a resident of the City of Detroit to access those materials without > > charge. > > Non-Detroit residents are assessed a $10.00 per day fee or $100.00 per > > year charge. > > > > I do not think that "pay to play" at the Library of Michigan is against > > the > > concept > > of a public library. When I wrote to my representative, I posed the idea > > of > > a > > purchased library card to him. > > > > Peggy > > > > On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 2:35 PM, BACON <dogon@iserv.net> wrote: > > > >> I'm not against the idea, but... > >> > >> doesn't it run contrary to the concept of a public library, as proposed > >> by > >> Benjamin Franklin? Nevertheless, so many services have already gone > the > >> way of "user fee", it may become the only way to preserve the services > >> for > >> those who wish to have them available, even if they may become > >> unaffordable > >> to the indigent. > >> > >> F. Bacon > > ***************************** > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect > others by keeping your postings to this theme. > MI-Genealogy Mail List Information > http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html > ***************************** > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
You're right Peggy. I haven't seen children anywhere other than the museum. The younger people using the computers probably don't crack the books in the genealogy area. Maybe they could be charged a dollar or two, after all, they're using electricity. I've found that even in a tough economy that people tend to spend their money on what they want to spend it on. For instance, while I don't smoke I know people who do. If I had to pay an entrance fee to the library of $2, a pack of cigarettes would give me two trips to the library? How much is a ticket to Michigan Adventure? Do you see what I mean? I feel that tax payers in the state should be "members" of the library but since that isn't how it works-if paying a couple of dollars would save it, I'd pay it. I don't want to see what we have divided up or boxed and stored not to see the light of day again. Kathy Barnes --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Peggy Youngs <peggy.youngs@gmail.com> wrote: From: Peggy Youngs <peggy.youngs@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Ways to Save the State of Michigan Library To: mi-genealogy@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 6:08 PM I have to say, in all my visits to the Michigan Historical Complex over the past ten years, the only children I have seen in the building are school groups visiting the Historical Museum. That's not to say that children don't use the library, just that I never see them on the second floor using the collections used by genealogists. I truly don't know if they have a children's section in the library. I do know that the city of Lansing has its own library, so why have a children's section at the state library? Any child living more than a few blocks away would need to be brought there by parents or someone who drove them there. While I do see many MSU students and probably high school students on the second floor, they are always using the computers and I have not seen them using the books or microfilm. I think a library card or some other access charge could be applied for use of the second floor, which contains the Abrams Collection, the city directories, the local and county histories (Michigan Collection), and the newspaper microfilms. In other words, you could say this would be a tax on genealogists. But if you have people--and I know many--who pay $100/year to use the Burton Collection, why not ask us to pay to use the resources in Lansing? While I would not be jumping for joy at the prospect of paying, I would do so if it meant keeping the library. While I have the luxury of not having to pay for a library card to use my local library, I am aware that as funding dries up many libraries are having to ask patrons to pay. Peggy ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. MI-Genealogy Mail List Information http://www.migenweb.net/maillist.html ***************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MI-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message