Hello Carolyn, Thanks so much for going to the trouble of searching for me! From an assortment of family members, I know she was born in Athens MI. She died in 1962 at the age of approximately 80-82 years old. Outman (not sure of the spelling) was her maiden name. She was married twice. The first marriage was to a man with the last name of Curtis. The 2nd marriage was to Oren Wellington. (My grandfather's Father) I was told her birthday was possibly November 11th. The year would be possibly 1882-1885. Thanks again for your reply. Jodi ----- Original Message ----- From: Carolyn K. McGrath<mailto:carolyn18@cox.net> To: MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 12:55 PM Subject: [MI-Genealogy] Outman On familysearch.org I found an Elizabeth Outman b. 16 Oct. 1893 in Grand haven, Ottawa Co, MI, daugher of Abel and Bessie. Would this date fit for you great-grandmother. What do the Curis and Wellington refer to? carolyn in rhode island Jodi Walder wrote: >Hello All! >I am just getting started on searching for my Great-Grandmother. Her name is Survilla Betsy Outman,Curtis,Wellington. I only have access to her obituary and a guess at her birthdate. I can't find her anywhere! She was supposedly born in Athens Michigan and lived in Kalamazoo. Where do you suggest getting started and do you have any ideas of searches I should try? I am baffled! >Thanks, >Jodi VanEngen-Walder > > >==== MI-GENEALOGY Mailing List ==== >MI-Genealogy Subscribe and Unsubscribe Instructions >Administrator Contacts, Rules and Guidelines >http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/maillist.html > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx> > > > > ==== MI-GENEALOGY Mailing List ==== MI-Genealogy Subscribe and Unsubscribe Instructions Administrator Contacts, Rules and Guidelines http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/maillist.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/maillist.html> ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx>

Kes, Where are you in Northern California? I'm in cold cold Modesto :) Julie I'm always needing info on the Willets line in Michigan. Especially any info on Sarah E. Waterhouse (Willets) b. 1844 - Death record - Birth record or anything at all :) Benjamin Willets b. 1809 William H. Willets b. 1839 (spouse of Sarah E. Waterhouse) Daniel W. Willets b. 1869 Stephen T. Willets b. 1879 Robert Willets b. 1882 Mostly Ionia, Cheboygan & Branch County. Any Michigan Willets information would be greatly appreciated. ----- Original Message ----- From: <BUNAY@aol.com> To: <MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [MI-Genealogy] just worn out Where are searching for info (census, marriage records, land, ss)? Are you using her maiden name or her married name? Do you know her father's name? I found most info about my 3rd great grandmother by searching out her father's family and her husband's records. I found her maiden name by searching for 3rd great grandfather in marriage records, that led to her maiden name and I was able to locate her family and her as far back as 1850 in census records. kes in northern ca -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.0 - Release Date: 01/17/2005

Jodi, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1920 > MICHIGAN > KALAMAZOO > 5-WD KALAMAZOO Series: T625 Roll: 775 Page: 281 WELLINGTON ORAN 44 M W MI MI KALAMAZOO 5-WD KALAMAZOO 1920 Wellington, Oran Head 44(age) MI(born) NY(father born) IN(mother born) Furnisher Paper Mill Wellington, Survila V. Wife 49(age) MI MI IN Saw Helper Sled Factory Wellington, Imarve/Irnarae? Dau 12(age) MI MI MI Wellington, Budd Son 9(age) MI MI MI Wellington, Boyd E. Son 8(age) MI MI MI ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1910 > MICHIGAN > ALLEGAN > CASCO TWP Series: T624 Roll: 634 Page: 204 WELLINGTON OLAN 34 M W MI MI ALLEGAN CASCO TWP 1910 Wellington, Olan Head 34 M 9(yrs) MI NY IN Farmer General Farm Wellington, Survilla Wife 36 M 9(yrs) 5(children) 4(living) MI MI IN Welllington, Ima R. Dau 2 MI MI MI Wellington, Frey? Son 2/12 MI MI MI Wellington, Mary J. Mother 59? Wd 10(children) 6(living) IN IN IN ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ There are several Outman's in 1900 Athens, MI, but I did not see Survilla living with any of them. Perhaps she was already married to Mr. Curtis. Good luck, Melinda -----Original Message----- From: Jodi Walder [mailto:divadiva111@msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 12:30 PM To: MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MI-Genealogy] Outman Hello Carolyn, Thanks so much for going to the trouble of searching for me! From an assortment of family members, I know she was born in Athens MI. She died in 1962 at the age of approximately 80-82 years old. Outman (not sure of the spelling) was her maiden name. She was married twice. The first marriage was to a man with the last name of Curtis. The 2nd marriage was to Oren Wellington. (My grandfather's Father) I was told her birthday was possibly November 11th. The year would be possibly 1882-1885. Thanks again for your reply. Jodi ----- Original Message ----- From: Carolyn K. McGrath<mailto:carolyn18@cox.net> To: MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 12:55 PM Subject: [MI-Genealogy] Outman On familysearch.org I found an Elizabeth Outman b. 16 Oct. 1893 in Grand haven, Ottawa Co, MI, daugher of Abel and Bessie. Would this date fit for you great-grandmother. What do the Curis and Wellington refer to? carolyn in rhode island Jodi Walder wrote: >Hello All! >I am just getting started on searching for my Great-Grandmother. Her name is Survilla Betsy Outman,Curtis,Wellington. I only have access to her obituary and a guess at her birthdate. I can't find her anywhere! She was supposedly born in Athens Michigan and lived in Kalamazoo. Where do you suggest getting started and do you have any ideas of searches I should try? I am baffled! >Thanks, >Jodi VanEngen-Walder > > >==== MI-GENEALOGY Mailing List ==== >MI-Genealogy Subscribe and Unsubscribe Instructions >Administrator Contacts, Rules and Guidelines >http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/maillist.html > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ash x> > > > > ==== MI-GENEALOGY Mailing List ==== MI-Genealogy Subscribe and Unsubscribe Instructions Administrator Contacts, Rules and Guidelines http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/maillist.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/~mig enweb/maillist.html> ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ash x> ______________________________

Janet, Here is what looks to be John O.(Oliver) Millmine/Milmine and Lillian E.(Elizabeth) in Michigan in the 1920, 1910, and 1900 censuses: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1920 > MICHIGAN > OAKLAND > HOLLY Series: T625 Roll: 789 Page: 1 MILLMINE JOHN O 48 M W MI MI OAKLAND HOLLY 1920 Millmine, John O. Head R(renting) 48 MI(born) MI(father born) MI(mother born) Farmer General Farm Millmine, Lillian E. Wife 41 MI Can Can Millmine, John L. Son 11 MI MI MI Millmine, Goldie V. Dau 8 MI MI MI Millmine, Cecil L. Son 5 MI MI MI Millmine, Ohmar Son 7/12 MI MI MI ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1910 > MICHIGAN > OAKLAND > 3-WD PONTIAC Series: T624 Roll: 668 Page: 59 MILMINE JOHN 38 M W CANA MI OAKLAND 3-WD PONTIAC 1910 Milmine, John Head 38(age) M1(1st) 14(yrs) CanFrench CanFrench CanFrench 1899(imm) Al(alien) Carpenter House Milmine, Lillie Wife 32(age) M1(1st) 14(yrs) 6(children) 6(living) MI CanFrench CanFrench Milmine, Gladys Dau 13 MI CanFrench MI Milmine, Lillie Dau 11 MI CanFrench MI Milmine, Ethel Dau 9 MI CanFrench MI Milmine, George Son 7 MI CanFrench MI Milmine, Henry Son 5 MI CanFrench MI Milmine, John Son 2 MI CanFrench MI ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1900 > MICHIGAN > ARENAC > MASON TWP Series: T623 Roll: 700 Page: 218 MILMINE JOHN 29 M W CANA MI ARENAC MASON TWP 1900 Milmine, John Head May 1871 29(age) M 5(yrs) CanEnglish CanEnglish CanEnglish 1894(imm) 6(yrs) Al(alien) Carpenter Milmine, Lillie Wife Feb 1877 23(age) M 5(yrs) 3(children) 3(living) MI CanEnglish New York Milmine, Gladys Dau Dec 1896 3(age) S MI CanEnglish MI Milmine, Lillie Dau Jun 1898 2(age) S MI CanEnglish MI Milmine, Ethel Dau May 1900 0(age in yrs) S MI CanEnglish MI ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Then, here is what appears to be John Oliver Milmine living with his parents and siblings in Norfolk, Ontario, Canada: 1881 Canadian Census: Source Information: Census Place Middleton, Norfolk North, Ontario Family History Library Film 1375899 NA Film Number C-13263 District 158 Sub-district D Division 2 Page Number 47 Household Number 231 George MILMINE Household Male Other Information: Birth Year <1826> Birthplace O <Ontario> Age 55 Occupation Farmer Marital Status M <Married> Ethnic Origin Scottish Head of Household George MILMINE Religion E. Methodist Christiana MILMINE Household Female Other Information: Birth Year <1829> Birthplace O <Ontario> Age 52 Occupation Marital Status M <Married> Ethnic Origin German Head of Household George MILMINE Religion E. Methodist Emalia MILMINE Household Female Other Information: Birth Year <1861> Birthplace O <Ontario> Age 20 Occupation Marital Status Ethnic Origin Scottish Head of Household George MILMINE Religion E. Methodist Charles Edward MILMINE Household Male Other Information: Birth Year <1867> Birthplace O <Ontario> Age 14 Occupation Marital Status Ethnic Origin Scottish Head of Household George MILMINE Religion E. Methodist Frances A MILMINE Household Male Other Information: Birth Year <1869> Birthplace O <Ontario> Age 12 Occupation Marital Status Ethnic Origin Scottish Head of Household George MILMINE Religion E. Methodist John Aliver MILMINE Household...................probably middle name should be Oliver Male Other Information: Birth Year <1871> Birthplace O <Ontario> Age 10 Occupation Marital Status Ethnic Origin Scottish Head of Household George MILMINE Religion E. Methodist Ethel MILMINE Household Female Other Information: Birth Year <1876> Birthplace O <Ontario> Age 5 Occupation Marital Status Ethnic Origin Scottish Head of Household George MILMINE Religion E. Methodist I would be only guessing to try to find Lillian Elizabeth ________ unless I knew her name. Do you know any of her siblings names? Melinda -----Original Message----- From: Janet Fritz [mailto:jiff@mailaka.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 1:22 PM To: MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: just worn out I found info on g-g-grandfather but no one knew anything about my grand mother. She died when I was 3. How do I find info whenever I search. It always says, Your search results came up "0". Her married name was Lillian Elizebeth Milmine/Millmine. b. 1877/d.1945. Married to John Oliver Milmine. Is there any way you might be able to help me.? I understand she was born in Saginaw County Michigan and they also come up "0". Help.!!!!! jiff@mailaka.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.11 - Release Date: 1/12/2005

What was her maiden name? Kathy --- Janet Fritz <jiff@mailaka.net> wrote: > I found info on g-g-grandfather but no one knew > anything about my grand > mother. She died when I was 3. How do I find info > whenever I search. It > always says, Your search results came up "0". Her > married name was Lillian > Elizebeth Milmine/Millmine. b. 1877/d.1945. Married > to John Oliver Milmine. > Is there any way you might be able to help me.? I > understand she was born > in Saginaw County Michigan and they also come up > "0". Help.!!!!! > jiff@mailaka.net > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.11 - > Release Date: 1/12/2005 > > > ==== MI-GENEALOGY Mailing List ==== > Share memories about Michigan, to join > MI-MEMORIES-L, send mail to > MI-MEMORIES-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single > word subscribe in the message subject and body. To > join MI-MEMORIES-D, do the same thing with > MI-MEMORIES-D-request@rootsweb.com. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about > your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the > last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

On familysearch.org I found an Elizabeth Outman b. 16 Oct. 1893 in Grand haven, Ottawa Co, MI, daugher of Abel and Bessie. Would this date fit for you great-grandmother. What do the Curis and Wellington refer to? carolyn in rhode island Jodi Walder wrote: >Hello All! >I am just getting started on searching for my Great-Grandmother. Her name is Survilla Betsy Outman,Curtis,Wellington. I only have access to her obituary and a guess at her birthdate. I can't find her anywhere! She was supposedly born in Athens Michigan and lived in Kalamazoo. Where do you suggest getting started and do you have any ideas of searches I should try? I am baffled! >Thanks, >Jodi VanEngen-Walder > > >==== MI-GENEALOGY Mailing List ==== >MI-Genealogy Subscribe and Unsubscribe Instructions >Administrator Contacts, Rules and Guidelines >http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/maillist.html > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > >

Thank you all for your responses on the 1918 flu epidemic. I feel so stupid for not knowing more about it, but thanks to you now I will. P.

Hi, Jody, Have you tried talking with relatives who may have some memory of her, or even may have known her? You can also try the County Clerk's office for Kalamazoo county and the surrounding vicinity to see if they have nay kind of records on her. Have you done nmae serch on Ancestry.com? How about Rootsweb.com? I have found both these sites to be very helpful in my research. I would also strongly suggest checking out your local genealogical/historical society. quite often they have tips and resources to help you. Most of enjoy the search! Yours truly, 'Cathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jodi Walder" <divadiva111@msn.com> To: <MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 11:16 AM Subject: [MI-Genealogy] Just getting started... > Hello All! > I am just getting started on searching for my Great-Grandmother. Her name > is Survilla Betsy Outman,Curtis,Wellington. I only have access to her > obituary and a guess at her birthdate. I can't find her anywhere! She was > supposedly born in Athens Michigan and lived in Kalamazoo. Where do you > suggest getting started and do you have any ideas of searches I should > try? I am baffled! > Thanks, > Jodi VanEngen-Walder > > > ==== MI-GENEALOGY Mailing List ==== > MI-Genealogy Subscribe and Unsubscribe Instructions > Administrator Contacts, Rules and Guidelines > http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/maillist.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

Hello All! I am just getting started on searching for my Great-Grandmother. Her name is Survilla Betsy Outman,Curtis,Wellington. I only have access to her obituary and a guess at her birthdate. I can't find her anywhere! She was supposedly born in Athens Michigan and lived in Kalamazoo. Where do you suggest getting started and do you have any ideas of searches I should try? I am baffled! Thanks, Jodi VanEngen-Walder

My grandmother's sister also died in the flu epidemic, and she died in February 1920 in Ann Arbor, Michigan. I had questioned her 1920 death as part of the flu epidemic, since most references talk about the flu epidemic of 1918, but indeed there were various "waves" of this lethal flu, extending into 1920. There are numerous and fascinating books on the flu epidemic of 1918, and PBS has a wonderful video about it as well. Here is some information on the books and video that I've read/watched: (Just do a Google search on any of these titles to find and buy them) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------- Americas Forgotten Pandemic : The Influenza of 1918 by Authors: Alfred W. Crosby Released: 21 July, 2003 ISBN: 0521541751 Paperback "Between August 1918 and March 1919 the Spanish influenza spread worldwide, claiming over 25 million lives - more people than perished in the fighting of the First World War. It proved fatal to at least a half-million Americans. Yet, the Spanish flu pandemic is largely forgotten today. In this vivid narrative, Alfred W. Crosby recounts the course of the pandemic during the panic-stricken months of 1918 and 1919, measures its impact on American society, and probes the curious loss of national memory of this cataclysmic event. In a new edition, with a new preface discussing the recent outbreaks of diseases, including the Asian flu and the SARS epidemic, America's Forgotten Pandemic remains both prescient and relevant." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- The Great Influenza: The Epic Story of the Deadliest Plague In History by John M. Barry; Hardcover "In 1918, a plague swept across the world virtually without warning, killing healthy young adults as well as vulnerable infants and the elderly. Hospitals and morgues were quickly overwhelmed; in Philadelphia, 4,597 people died in one week alone and bodies piled up on the streets to be carted off to mass graves. But this was not the dreaded Black Death-it was "only influenza." In this sweeping history, Barry (Rising Tide) explores how the deadly confluence of biology (a swiftly mutating flu virus that can pass between animals and humans) and politics (President Wilson's all-out war effort in WWI) created conditions in which the virus thrived, killing more than 50 million worldwide and perhaps as many as 100 million in just a year. Overcrowded military camps and wide-ranging troop deployments allowed the highly contagious flu to spread quickly; transport ships became "floating caskets." Yet the U.S. government refused to shift priorities away from the war and, in effect, ignored the crisis. Shortages of doctors and nurses hurt military and civilian populations alike, and the ineptitude of public health officials exacerbated the death toll. In Philadelphia, the hardest-hit municipality in the U.S., "the entire city government had done nothing" to either contain the disease or assist afflicted families. Instead, official lies and misinformation, Barry argues, created a climate of "fear... [that] threatened to break the society apart." Barry captures the sense of panic and despair that overwhelmed stricken communities and hits hard at those who failed to use their power to protect the public good. He also describes the work of the dedicated researchers who rushed to find the cause of the disease and create vaccines. Flu shots are widely available today because of their heroic efforts, yet we remain vulnerable to a virus that can mutate to a deadly strain without warning. Society's ability to survive another devastating flu pandemic, Barry argues, is as much a political question as a medical one." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------- American Experience, The: Influenza 1918 (VHS) Item no: AMER905 www.ShopPBS.org "In the spring of 1918, as the nation mobilized for war, Private Albert Gitchell reported to an Army hospital in Kansas. He was diagnosed with the flu, a disease doctors knew little about. Before the year ended, America was ravaged by a flu epidemic that killed 675,000 people, young and old, more than in all the wars of this century combined. The disease then disappeared as mysteriously as it began." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------- Hope this helps ! Sue Perry Ann Arbor, Michigan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------- From: "Art Clark" <aclar@ncmc.cc.mi.us> To: <MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 10:37 PM Subject: Flu > Patricia : > I am quite sure it was the year 1918 . Anyone that is interested in > burial records for Emmet Co. . I recently purchased a complete set . Oct. > 2004 of the records from the Greenwood Cemetary here in Petoskey, Mi . It > includes all of the county . Hopefully I will have time to look up what > anyone would want from here . Approx. 2000 pages printed both sides . > aclar@ncmc.cc.mi.us . Arthur , Hope this is someones answer. > > > Thanks Marlene, ----- Original Message ----- From: <Saginawsue@aol.com> To: <MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 10:19 PM Subject: Flu > The flu that struck all around the United States in 1918-19 was a world wide > pandemic and killed millions. > > Mary Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: <Patforshort@aol.com> To: <MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 9:34 PM Subject: Flu > Thanks Marlene, > > For all I know it could have been. I'll need to do more digging. Maybe > someone in Michigan can come up with a good time frame. I have looked on the > Michigan web site, but nothing was said about the flu epidemic in their history of > events. > > Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela Schaberg" <pamscha@earthlink.net> To: <MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 8:11 PM Subject: MARVIN > My grandfather and a young uncle died about 5 days apart during the Soanish > flu epidemic in 1920. This was in Saginaw Co., Michigan. Pam S. in > Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Keith" <keithnancy@t-one.net> To: <MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 8:05 PM Subject: MARVIN > That flu epidemic killed people all over the nation - probably outside > the U S, too. My dad described people actually dropping dead in the > streets, and that was in Tennessee. I think that you can go into any U > S cemetery and find whole families dying in 1917-18. It was really > scary and so very sad. There was nothing that they could do about it. > > Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: <MMoodygma@aol.com> To: <MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:19 PM Subject: MARVIN > Patricia, > > About the timing of the flu epidemic in Michigan--I'm wondering if it was > around the same time as the flu that killed many people in Iowa, which I > believe was around 1918. > Marlene

Jodi, The best advice ANYONE can give you is to start with yourself and work backwards. Try to assemble a history of your life, then your mom and dad's, then your grandparents, then your greatgrandparents and give you something very easy and concise to look back at. It will save you a lot of trouble down the road! Next, talk to your family. Your family may know things, and if you start to talk about them, you may job memories (or better, gain a "you know who would know about that is...") Now, on to your query. Rootsweb is a great place to start! Athens and Kalamazoo are great hints - they're both in Calhoun County, Michigan. So start with what resources and information you can get off of the Calhoun County GenWeb, http://www.rootsweb.com/~micalhou/index.htm. I will warn you, however, that genealogy is typically recorded with the man's information since they were head of the household. So here are a few questions you'll probably need: 1. What's your great grandmother's married name vs maiden name? She'd be recorded under her father's household before she married *unless she had special circumstances*, and after she married, she'd be recorded under her married name. 2. When was she born and when did she die? Calhoun County has great cemetery resources, and you may find more of the family that way. When she was born will give you hints as to whether to search the 1850 or the 1880 census to find her. 3. Does her obituary give you any clues, like a parents name, a brothers name, etc? Those can help you place a missing female. Post what you know! Post everything but information about living individuals. The more you post, the more chance that someone will recognize a name. Calhoun County has two mailing lists, one for Rootsweb and one for its Genealogy Society. MICALHOU-L@Rootsweb.com and CALHOUNCOUNTYGS@yahoogroups.com . The subscription information is near the bottom of the Calhoun County GenWeb site. Hopefully that's some useful help! Concetta Franco Alpena County GenWeb Coordinator (far, far away from Calhoun County :-) ) --- Jodi Walder <divadiva111@msn.com> wrote: > Hello All! > I am just getting started on searching for my > Great-Grandmother. Her name is Survilla Betsy > Outman,Curtis,Wellington. I only have access to her > obituary and a guess at her birthdate. I can't find > her anywhere! She was supposedly born in Athens > Michigan and lived in Kalamazoo. Where do you > suggest getting started and do you have any ideas of > searches I should try? I am baffled! > Thanks, > Jodi VanEngen-Walder > > > ==== MI-GENEALOGY Mailing List ==== > MI-Genealogy Subscribe and Unsubscribe Instructions > Administrator Contacts, Rules and Guidelines > http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/maillist.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million > records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the > world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hint for the future Jodi - put at least the surname of your ancestor(s) in your subject line. It will capture the attention of others researching the same names. Welcome to the club! Linda -----Original Message----- From: MI-GENEALOGY-L-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:MI-GENEALOGY-L-request@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Jodi Walder Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 8:17 AM To: MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MI-Genealogy] Just getting started... Hello All! I am just getting started on searching for my Great-Grandmother. Her name is Survilla Betsy Outman,Curtis,Wellington. I only have access to her obituary and a guess at her birthdate. I can't find her anywhere! She was supposedly born in Athens Michigan and lived in Kalamazoo. Where do you suggest getting started and do you have any ideas of searches I should try? I am baffled! Thanks, Jodi VanEngen-Walder ==== MI-GENEALOGY Mailing List ==== MI-Genealogy Subscribe and Unsubscribe Instructions Administrator Contacts, Rules and Guidelines http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/maillist.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Another story - It went into 1920 in lower Michigan, St. Joseph Co., Three Rivers, MI. An aunt died one day and her Mother died the next and they had double funeral services To make it more pathetic the aunt and uncle had only been married 9 days! Good luck all on your searches.....

Patricia : I am quite sure it was the year 1918 . Anyone that is interested in burial records for Emmet Co. . I recently purchased a complete set . Oct. 2004 of the records from the Greenwood Cemetary here in Petoskey, Mi . It includes all of the county . Hopefully I will have time to look up what anyone would want from here . Approx. 2000 pages printed both sides . aclar@ncmc.cc.mi.us . Arthur , Hope this is someones answer. > Thanks Marlene, > > For all I know it could have been. I'll need to do more digging. Maybe > someone in Michigan can come up with a good time frame. I have looked on > the Michigan web site, but nothing was said about the flu epidemic in > their history of events. > > Patricia > > > ==== MI-GENEALOGY Mailing List ==== > MI-Genealogy Subscribe and Unsubscribe Instructions > Administrator Contacts, Rules and Guidelines > http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/maillist.html > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and is believed to be clean.

The flu that struck all around the United States in 1918-19 was a world wide pandemic and killed millions. Mary Sue

Thanks Marlene, For all I know it could have been. I'll need to do more digging. Maybe someone in Michigan can come up with a good time frame. I have looked on the Michigan web site, but nothing was said about the flu epidemic in their history of events. Patricia

I am not in Michigan at this time or perhaps could help you more, but have you tried Michigan cemeteries, click GO and then to Mecosta Co. Not sure if the cemeteries have names listed. Also, the newspaper in Big Rapids is The Pioneer. Here is a toll free number, 1-888-796-4831. You can also contact them at - _info@pioneergroup.net_ (mailto:info@pioneergroup.net) . Hope you can get some info. AW

My grandfather and a young uncle died about 5 days apart during the Soanish flu epidemic in 1920. This was in Saginaw Co., Michigan. Pam S. in Michigan > [Original Message] > From: Nancy Keith <keithnancy@t-one.net> > To: <MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 1/18/2005 7:59:09 PM > Subject: Re: [MI-Genealogy] MARVIN > > That flu epidemic killed people all over the nation - probably outside > the U S, too. My dad described people actually dropping dead in the > streets, and that was in Tennessee. I think that you can go into any U > S cemetery and find whole families dying in 1917-18. It was really > scary and so very sad. There was nothing that they could do about it. > > Nancy > in cooooooooooold northern lower Michigan > > > > MMoodygma@aol.com wrote: > > >Patricia, > > > > About the timing of the flu epidemic in Michigan--I'm wondering if it was > >around the same time as the flu that killed many people in Iowa, which I > >believe was around 1918. > > > >Marlene > > > > > >==== MI-GENEALOGY Mailing List ==== > >MI-Genealogy Subscribe and Unsubscribe Instructions > >Administrator Contacts, Rules and Guidelines > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/maillist.html > > > >============================== > >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > >. > > > > > > > ==== MI-GENEALOGY Mailing List ==== > MI-Genealogy Subscribe and Unsubscribe Instructions > Administrator Contacts, Rules and Guidelines > http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/maillist.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

That flu epidemic killed people all over the nation - probably outside the U S, too. My dad described people actually dropping dead in the streets, and that was in Tennessee. I think that you can go into any U S cemetery and find whole families dying in 1917-18. It was really scary and so very sad. There was nothing that they could do about it. Nancy in cooooooooooold northern lower Michigan MMoodygma@aol.com wrote: >Patricia, > > About the timing of the flu epidemic in Michigan--I'm wondering if it was >around the same time as the flu that killed many people in Iowa, which I >believe was around 1918. > >Marlene > > >==== MI-GENEALOGY Mailing List ==== >MI-Genealogy Subscribe and Unsubscribe Instructions >Administrator Contacts, Rules and Guidelines >http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/maillist.html > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >. >

Patricia, About the timing of the flu epidemic in Michigan--I'm wondering if it was around the same time as the flu that killed many people in Iowa, which I believe was around 1918. Marlene