And now, after this message with incorrect spelling, incorrect punctuation, incorrect capitalization, and incorrect grammar, I will unsubscribe. Bye. -----Original Message----- From: JeanPayton [mailto:jeanpayton@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:12 PM To: MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MI-Genealogy] Proper use of subject line and private e-mails. Well I think that this was just a little bit too harsh. Ye, there is netiquette to be followed and very few of any of us follow it. Yes, it is rude to keep the same subject title, but when there is someone new it should be up to every one to help out the newbie. Did you have someone teach you netiquette before you got on the list? Not eveyone has this opportunity to pay someone to teach them how to use the internet and these lists. Although I will say that the first list a person who is new should signup on the GEN-NEWBIE-L@rootsweb.com. This is a list for newcomers. But what is wrong about being kind and considerate of our new comers? As to asking questions, they should all be asked on list and answered on list as there is problably more than one person wanting the answer to the question. That is the most important way to learn how to research and learn techniques and the how and the whys of genealogy. To ask your questions off list is not benefitting anyone. Yes it is correct netiquette to change the line of Subject when you are talking about someone or something else, but hey wait a minute, we are all human beings on this list and we all deserve to be treated with respect and kindness. We are not as perfect as we seem to think we are. We all make mistakes in judgement and don't do what everyone else thinks we should be doing. I am glad that I don't consider myself the perfect person who knows all about netiquette and how everything should be done. When Joyce wrote in all capital letters, she tried explaining why she was doing what she was doing. She didn't know about the capital letters being considered shouting. It would have been much nicer for someone to write her off list and tell what the netiquette was concerning capital letters and try to help her enlarge her fonts instead of every one yelling at her. Everyone was too quick to jump on her and not offer any type of help. So listers, we all need to be considerate of each other and give respect to each other and try and be more accepting of people who are new to the list. You should be the first person to speak up and help a newbie. That will make this list run much better and there will be less mistakes made and on going hype over it. I have been on these lists for a good many years and it makes me feel good to be able to help someone who is new to computers and to genealogy. After all it took a while for you and for me to learn all of the ins and outs of Computers and Genealogy and how to put both to good use on these lists. So if anyone has a question that needs answering, I most certainly read all emails irregardless of the subject matter and I try to help the newbie and even the experienced oldies just give me a shout and I will do my best to help you. That is what these lists are all about. Not just names and dates. Helping each other!!! Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "aardq" <aardq@usol.com> To: <MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:32 PM Subject: [MI-Genealogy] Proper use of subject line and private e-mails. > > > Hello everyone, > > I for one, am sick and tired about all the e-mails about this woman's > lack of knowledge on e-mail etiquette. A couple of e-mails is one > thing, but a lot of people insist on beating this dead horse. ENOUGH! > (and that is shouting!) > > Now on to the subject of this e-mail, which is subject lines. It's > there so that the rest of us know what the e-mail is about. When you > change the topic or the name of the person being researched, then > please have the common courtesy to place e the new info into the > subject line. Today day alone I have received over a dozen e-mail with > the subject, "Looking for help with Barnes". Not one of those e-mail > had anything to do with Barnes, or for that matter, any kind of > search. They were all about the use of capitols in e-mails. > > It's both frustrating and a waste of time (on the part of a lot of > people) to keep repeating the same subject over and over and over. > When you do this, you are misleading the people that may actually want > to help with research instead of talking about the manners or kindness > of other people. By doing this, you show your lack of consideration > for the hundreds (or thousands) of people that receive these e-mails. > Please, put the correct subject matter in the subject line. > > If you wish to ask a specific person a question, or thank a specific > person, then please do so, but do it in a private e-mail, not in a > general posting to the forum. Again you being inconsiderate of the > others on the forum, and you create a lot of extra e-mails for others > to deal with. > > It's true that a lot of people on forum are not computer geeks, and > now one holds that against them, but they should be able to find > someone to teach them the basics. If you're not a cook, would you try > to make a cake without asking someone, or getting the info out of a > cookbook? Then why would you start using forums and e-mail without > learning the basics? > > It all boils down to having consideration for the others in the > forums. > > Dan > > > ==== MI-GENEALOGY Mailing List ==== > MIGenWeb. Michigan Genealogy. http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/ > Locate resources, browse counties, search and contribute to special > projects. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New > content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > ==== MI-GENEALOGY Mailing List ==== MI-Genealogy Subscribe and Unsubscribe Instructions Administrator Contacts, Rules and Guidelines http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/maillist.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

i am really sorry for being so stupid, i have never been so hurt in my life. i didn't know that i committed a crime, Please Please i am old and very sick i don't need this since i have offended so many i will unsubscribe. thank you eveyone who has helped me, and GOD BLESS YOU ALL. JOYCE DEBELLE SOLOMON NUM1GEN@AOL.COM

With all due respect to the administrator(s) of this list, I personally felt that Dan made valid points and was not harsh at all. In fact, I thought he was remarkably polite considering the circumstances. I empathise with the lady who had undergone surgery and wasn't up to par with "netiquette." And I don't have a problem with her use of caps. All I take exception to are the repeated emails about this totally off-topic subject, nine of which I received in my in-box today alone. I would hope that everyone has sufficiently made their respective points, and we can get back to exchanging genealogical information pertaining to the state of Michigan. Thank you very much, and Dan - thank you for voicing what many others of us were afraid to submit to the list. Kelli Mallard

clayton, thanks for your support thank god that there are some great people on line. i appreciate your support. joyce

thanks tam, the support has been great, so thank god for some great people. joyce

thanks john joyce

Well I think that this was just a little bit too harsh. Ye, there is netiquette to be followed and very few of any of us follow it. Yes, it is rude to keep the same subject title, but when there is someone new it should be up to every one to help out the newbie. Did you have someone teach you netiquette before you got on the list? Not eveyone has this opportunity to pay someone to teach them how to use the internet and these lists. Although I will say that the first list a person who is new should signup on the GEN-NEWBIE-L@rootsweb.com. This is a list for newcomers. But what is wrong about being kind and considerate of our new comers? As to asking questions, they should all be asked on list and answered on list as there is problably more than one person wanting the answer to the question. That is the most important way to learn how to research and learn techniques and the how and the whys of genealogy. To ask your questions off list is not benefitting anyone. Yes it is correct netiquette to change the line of Subject when you are talking about someone or something else, but hey wait a minute, we are all human beings on this list and we all deserve to be treated with respect and kindness. We are not as perfect as we seem to think we are. We all make mistakes in judgement and don't do what everyone else thinks we should be doing. I am glad that I don't consider myself the perfect person who knows all about netiquette and how everything should be done. When Joyce wrote in all capital letters, she tried explaining why she was doing what she was doing. She didn't know about the capital letters being considered shouting. It would have been much nicer for someone to write her off list and tell what the netiquette was concerning capital letters and try to help her enlarge her fonts instead of every one yelling at her. Everyone was too quick to jump on her and not offer any type of help. So listers, we all need to be considerate of each other and give respect to each other and try and be more accepting of people who are new to the list. You should be the first person to speak up and help a newbie. That will make this list run much better and there will be less mistakes made and on going hype over it. I have been on these lists for a good many years and it makes me feel good to be able to help someone who is new to computers and to genealogy. After all it took a while for you and for me to learn all of the ins and outs of Computers and Genealogy and how to put both to good use on these lists. So if anyone has a question that needs answering, I most certainly read all emails irregardless of the subject matter and I try to help the newbie and even the experienced oldies just give me a shout and I will do my best to help you. That is what these lists are all about. Not just names and dates. Helping each other!!! Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "aardq" <aardq@usol.com> To: <MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:32 PM Subject: [MI-Genealogy] Proper use of subject line and private e-mails. > > > Hello everyone, > > I for one, am sick and tired about all the e-mails about this woman's > lack of knowledge on e-mail etiquette. A couple of e-mails is one > thing, but a lot of people insist on beating this dead horse. ENOUGH! > (and that is shouting!) > > Now on to the subject of this e-mail, which is subject lines. It's > there so that the rest of us know what the e-mail is about. When you > change the topic or the name of the person being researched, then please > have the common courtesy to place e the new info into the subject line. > Today day alone I have received over a dozen e-mail with the subject, > "Looking for help with Barnes". Not one of those e-mail had anything to > do with Barnes, or for that matter, any kind of search. They were all > about the use of capitols in e-mails. > > It's both frustrating and a waste of time (on the part of a lot of > people) to keep repeating the same subject over and over and over. When > you do this, you are misleading the people that may actually want to > help with research instead of talking about the manners or kindness of > other people. By doing this, you show your lack of consideration for the > hundreds (or thousands) of people that receive these e-mails. Please, > put the correct subject matter in the subject line. > > If you wish to ask a specific person a question, or thank a specific > person, then please do so, but do it in a private e-mail, not in a > general posting to the forum. Again you being inconsiderate of the > others on the forum, and you create a lot of extra e-mails for others to > deal with. > > It's true that a lot of people on forum are not computer geeks, and > now one holds that against them, but they should be able to find someone > to teach them the basics. If you're not a cook, would you try to make a > cake without asking someone, or getting the info out of a cookbook? > Then why would you start using forums and e-mail without learning the > basics? > > It all boils down to having consideration for the others in the forums. > > Dan > > > ==== MI-GENEALOGY Mailing List ==== > MIGenWeb. Michigan Genealogy. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/ > Locate resources, browse counties, search and contribute to special > projects. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Hello everyone, I for one, am sick and tired about all the e-mails about this woman's lack of knowledge on e-mail etiquette. A couple of e-mails is one thing, but a lot of people insist on beating this dead horse. ENOUGH! (and that is shouting!) Now on to the subject of this e-mail, which is subject lines. It's there so that the rest of us know what the e-mail is about. When you change the topic or the name of the person being researched, then please have the common courtesy to place e the new info into the subject line. Today day alone I have received over a dozen e-mail with the subject, "Looking for help with Barnes". Not one of those e-mail had anything to do with Barnes, or for that matter, any kind of search. They were all about the use of capitols in e-mails. It's both frustrating and a waste of time (on the part of a lot of people) to keep repeating the same subject over and over and over. When you do this, you are misleading the people that may actually want to help with research instead of talking about the manners or kindness of other people. By doing this, you show your lack of consideration for the hundreds (or thousands) of people that receive these e-mails. Please, put the correct subject matter in the subject line. If you wish to ask a specific person a question, or thank a specific person, then please do so, but do it in a private e-mail, not in a general posting to the forum. Again you being inconsiderate of the others on the forum, and you create a lot of extra e-mails for others to deal with. It's true that a lot of people on forum are not computer geeks, and now one holds that against them, but they should be able to find someone to teach them the basics. If you're not a cook, would you try to make a cake without asking someone, or getting the info out of a cookbook? Then why would you start using forums and e-mail without learning the basics? It all boils down to having consideration for the others in the forums. Dan

Well thank you so much. Ric <8>< Meltingicequeen@aol.com wrote:Here is the site for the USGenWeb...http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tn/tnfiles.htm ==== MI-GENEALOGY Mailing List ==== Share memories about Michigan, to join MI-MEMORIES-L, send mail to MI-MEMORIES-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word subscribe in the message subject and body. To join MI-MEMORIES-D, do the same thing with MI-MEMORIES-D-request@rootsweb.com. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx The Bone Collector Ric Corbeil <8>< Easptointe, Mi.

Does anyone out their know if Tennessee has a site like this one? I have alot of people dow yander. Thanks Ric <8>< The Bone Collector Ric Corbeil <8>< Easptointe, Mi.

I think we need to change this subject right now. I think you have had time to give your point of view on this matter so if we may, lets get back to doing what the things this site is for. Thank you Ric <8>< KelliM939801@aol.com wrote: With all due respect to the administrator(s) of this list, I personally felt that Dan made valid points and was not harsh at all. In fact, I thought he was remarkably polite considering the circumstances. I empathise with the lady who had undergone surgery and wasn't up to par with "netiquette." And I don't have a problem with her use of caps. All I take exception to are the repeated emails about this totally off-topic subject, nine of which I received in my in-box today alone. I would hope that everyone has sufficiently made their respective points, and we can get back to exchanging genealogical information pertaining to the state of Michigan. Thank you very much, and Dan - thank you for voicing what many others of us were afraid to submit to the list. Kelli Mallard ==== MI-GENEALOGY Mailing List ==== MI-Genealogy Subscribe and Unsubscribe Instructions Administrator Contacts, Rules and Guidelines http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/maillist.html ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 The Bone Collector Ric Corbeil <8>< Easptointe, Mi.

Looking for information on this family. Charlotte and Julia were sisters. Maiden name: RISLEY/RISLAY and first in US Census in 1850, Black Rock, Erie, NY. We think that Julia may have first moved to Michigan to be close to her sister who died (we don't know when she died) and then for some reason moved on to Corunna. Also trying to place Anna E. Durkee (DOB 1869 in New York) with Julia Durkee in Michigan. Julia in Michigan between 1892 and 1896 (shows up in City Directory for Corunna in 1896). THOMPSON, JOHN N (1870 U.S. Census) MICHIGAN , CLINTON, OVID TWP Age: 50, Male, Race: WHITE, Born: CANA Farmer Spouse: Charlotte age 50 @ Canada Children: Roger C, age 19 @ Canada; Charles age 14 @ Canada; Frank B age 9 @Michigan; Dora age 5 @Michigan DURKEE, JULIA M (1900 U.S. Census) MICHIGAN SHIAWASSEE, 1-WD CORUNNA Age: 71, Female, Race: WHITE, Born: CANA Looking for more information about this family. I have dates of death for everyone except Bert ROSE. Both Anna E. Rose, Minnie Rose Towler and Julia Durkee were involved in a mining company formed in Minnesota in 1906. Anna moved to Minneapolis to live with her daughter and her family after Edward's death. Julia was already living in Minneapolis with her adopted daughter, Anna E. Durkee by then. Edward ROSE, age 86 years. Died 1/31/1906 at Corunna, Michigan. A stockholder for 40 yrs in First National Bank of Corunna and only man who was an original stockholder and kept his stock until the bank ceased to exist a couple of years ago. Anna E. (CRANDALL) ROSE was his second wife. Minnie (ROSE) TOWLER and Bert ROSE were children of that marriage. Theodore ROSE was from his first marriage. First wife died when Ted was 1 month old. Thank you! Trish

John-- You said it better than all the rest of us. We wish her well and not to forget the kindnesses of the heart. Thank-you--------- Sharman in Nevada

HELLO JOYCE, AND GREETINGS FROM JOHN IN FL. GO FOR IT! NOTHING WRONG WITH ALL CAPS. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, IT IS EASIER TO READ. FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN RECENTLY THIS IS NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT YOU GET FROM COLLEGE KIDS, AT LEAST THEIR ONLINE MESSAGES, NO CAPS AT THE BEGINNING OF SENTENCES, NO PUNCTUATION, SENTENCES RUN TOGETHER, MANY ABBREVIATIONS OF THEIR OWN INVENTION, ETC. MY OLD PROFESSORS WOULD BE TURNING FLIP FLOPS IN THEIR GRAVES. SOME OF SEASONED CITIZENS WILL REMEMBER WHEN AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF WHAT BECAME THE ELECTRONIC AGE WHEN TELEGRAPH MESSAGES WERE SENT OVER LONG DISTANCES THEY WERE ALWAYS IN CAPS! SO YOU MIGHT SAY THERE IS EARLY PRECEDENCE FOR IT. HAVE A BETTER DAY TOMORROW. JOHN ----- Original Message ----- From: <NUM1GEN@aol.com> To: <MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [MI-Genealogy] LOOKING FOR HELP WITH BARNES FAMILY PLEASE > THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUGGESTION, BUT I JUST HAD EYE SURGERY AND I CAN'T READ > THE VERY SMALL TYPE IN MY COMPUTER AFTER RECEIVING 25 VERY HURTFUL > MESSAGES, > THAT I HIRED A COMPUTER TECH TO CHANGE MY FONT, BECAUE I AM A 75 YR OLD > ALMOST > BLIND WOMAN JUST TRYING TO DO RESEARCH BEFORE MY TIME IS OVER, I AM NOT > AWARE OF > THE CAP RULES, AND I DID NOT DO IT OT OFFEND ANYONE AND I JUST CAN'T > BELIEVE > THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE COMPASSION FOR THE HANDICAPS IN THE WORLD. THERE > IS SO > MUCH HATE AND TERROR IN THE WORLD WHEN WILL IT CHANGE I CN'T SEE IT COMING > IN > THE NEAR FUTURE IF PEOPLE CAN'T ACCEPT US UNFORFUNATES. WHO MAKES THESE > STUPID RULES, I WAS TOLD THAT I WAS SHOTING I THOUGHT I KILLED SOMEONE, > WHEN THEY > MEANT SHOUTING, WHICH I WAS NOT AARTE OF THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP JOYCE > > > ==== MI-GENEALOGY Mailing List ==== > MIGenWeb. Michigan Genealogy. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/ > Locate resources, browse counties, search and contribute to special > projects. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Don't let anyone get to you as we know not everyone is a computer freak. Just carry on as normal and over look their simple minds for being less then nice. Clayton ----- Original Message ----- From: <NUM1GEN@aol.com> To: <MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 PM 3:01 Subject: Re: [MI-Genealogy] LOOKING FOR HELP WITH BARNES FAMILY PLEASE > angel, thank yu for your concern, it was nice to have someone offer me help > instead of such hate for typing in caps, i only typed in caps because of eye > surgery. at 75 and almost blind i can't believe how hateful people are, where is > their compassion and consideration, who makes these > rules?????????????????again thanks, i hired a computer tech to change my font because i don't > understand computer language, i just use the computer for research and at my age i > don't need these hurtful mail. sorry if i offended anyone that was not intent, i > just want to do research, i am handicapped and am house bound so the computer > is my friend. again thanks for your support. joyce > > > ==== MI-GENEALOGY Mailing List ==== > The MIGenWeb FGS Project. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/fgs/ > Join in this special project! Add your Family Group Sheets and browse for connections. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Mostly Ionia, Cheboygan & Branch County. Any Michigan Willets information would be greatly appreciated. 1800's to early 1900's Julie I'm always needing info on the Willets line in Michigan. Especially any info on Sarah E. Waterhouse (Willets) b. 1844 - Death record - Birth record or anything at all :) Benjamin Willets b. 1809 William H. Willets b. 1839 (spouse of Sarah E. Waterhouse) Daniel W. Willets b. 1869 Stephen T. Willets b. 1879 Robert Willets b. 1882 Mostly Ionia, Cheboygan & Branch County. Any Michigan Willets information would be greatly appreciated.

Hi, My brickwall is Boleslaw Tkaczuk born in the area of Dabrowa, Bialostocka, Poland. He was last found in the 1910 Census, under Boleslaw Kaczuk living with his relatives Julian Haraszkiewicz (also from Dabrowa) and family in Detroit. Most of the other Tkaczuk's lived in CT or Alberta Canada........I have most of this information. Many of the Haraszkiewicz's are buried at Mt Olivet Cemetery. If anyone has connections with these names I would love to hear from you. Kind regards Darlene BC Canada

Congrats Joyce...Now maybe some people will you alone and help you instead of criticize you...I too hope you get well soon...Best wishes and good luck Tam

AMEN AMEN A MILLION TIMES, I HIRED A COMPUTER TECH AND HE CHANGED MY FONT I HOPE THAT MAKES EVERYONE HAPPY. THANKS FOR YUR SUPPORT JOYCE

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUGGESTION, BUT I JUST HAD EYE SURGERY AND I CAN'T READ THE VERY SMALL TYPE IN MY COMPUTER AFTER RECEIVING 25 VERY HURTFUL MESSAGES, THAT I HIRED A COMPUTER TECH TO CHANGE MY FONT, BECAUE I AM A 75 YR OLD ALMOST BLIND WOMAN JUST TRYING TO DO RESEARCH BEFORE MY TIME IS OVER, I AM NOT AWARE OF THE CAP RULES, AND I DID NOT DO IT OT OFFEND ANYONE AND I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE COMPASSION FOR THE HANDICAPS IN THE WORLD. THERE IS SO MUCH HATE AND TERROR IN THE WORLD WHEN WILL IT CHANGE I CN'T SEE IT COMING IN THE NEAR FUTURE IF PEOPLE CAN'T ACCEPT US UNFORFUNATES. WHO MAKES THESE STUPID RULES, I WAS TOLD THAT I WAS SHOTING I THOUGHT I KILLED SOMEONE, WHEN THEY MEANT SHOUTING, WHICH I WAS NOT AARTE OF THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP JOYCE