Sue try this site AuSable-Oscoda Historical Society Museum _www.AuSableoscodahistoricalsociety.org_ (http://www.AuSableoscodahistoricalsociety.org) Phone # 989-739-2782 Bonnie ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

http://www.mymichigangenealogy.com/mi_county/ios.htm I did find this site, where it lists who to call for records. Maybe this will help you find what you're looking for. myra Jeannie Stevens <[email protected]> wrote: About this particular fire. Was Oscoda or AuSable the primary location of the state of Michigan's Vital Statistics Records? I can't seem to find any adoption or birth records on my grandfather. His name then was Harold Leonard Soles. I remember my Aunt Rose Anne telling me that there was a fire and all the records were burned because the church, the city offices, and the court house was all right next door to each other. She never did say what city they went to. Myra Herron wrote: http://sydaby.eget.net/swe/jp_oscoda.htm THE 1911 OSCODA FIRE On July 11, a warm summer day in 1911, the neighboring cities of Oscoda and AuSable (Michigan) burned to the ground in what has been called the "most devastating fire in the history of Michigan". Both cities were constructed entirely of wood, due to the heavy influence of the lumber trade in those years. Not a single concrete sidewalk or building could be found, which made the communities perfect bait for the hungry, rapid flames. A forest fire had been hovering outside AuSable for three days prior to the tragedy, but the townspeople went about their business as usual, confident that their city would not be burned. On July 11 sudden fifty mile-per-hour winds swept the fire into AuSable, taking its inhabitants by surprise. Meanwhile, one mile west of Oscoda a passing locomotive threw sparks which ignited, spread quickly, and swept across a river valley destroying over three-fourths of the city of Oscoda. This fire united forces with the one already burning in AuSable, and drove the townspeople before it, running like a stampede of cattle to escape its wrath. Within two hours only twenty houses were left standing in Oscoda and only four buildings remained in the main portion of AuSable. For the people living there July 11, 1911 and the days and weeks following were nightmares. Some of those who attempted to save precious belongings were either caught in the flames or forced to abandon them and run for shelter. Shelter from the fire was found only in large expanses of sand and dunes, or in Lake Huron. Most people waded out into the cold, rough lake until they were neck-deep, holding children and the few possessions they managed to rescue over their heads. Even dogs, chickens, and cats were driven to the water. But even there the heat of the fire was tormenting and people were forced to splash water on their heads and necks respectively. Luckily a lumber boat that was docked at AuSable during the time of the fire carried away many men, women, children, and animals south to the safety of East Tawas and Port Huron. Mr. Chase S. Osborn, governor of the State of Michigan, appealed to the citizens of Michigan to contribute common necessities, clothing, food, and money to help assist the survivors of the fire. Railway companies transported the refugees to the nearest towns, and East Tawas residents gladly gave up their beds to the exhausted people, many of whom had been separated from their families and friends during the panic of the fire. Most of the residents of AuSable and Oscoda had to start their domestic lives over from scratch after the fire. Many moved permanently to East Tawas, Bay City or Port Huron and were eventually able to find jobs, set aside some savings, build houses, and live normally once again. Not only did the fire take the homes and possessions of AuSable and Oscoda residents, it destroyed the economic livelihood of the cities as well. The entire stock of the H. N. Loud and Sons lumber company was devastated, along with their mills and thousands of acres of lumber. The Louds were one of many families that moved to Bay City after the disaster, and later they migrated to Oregon to try their luck on the lumber business once again. The railroad companies also suffered heavy loss. Due to the intense heat, the rails were warped and buckled beyond repair in certain areas. Despite the immense destruction of the fire, there were a few trinkets and possessions that somehow escaped the flames. Silver vases, which had been buried at the first warning of fire, survived. Ceramic plates were also spared by the flames, although other substances were melted and crusted onto them in places. Two such plates are on display in the museum of the Iosco County Historical Society in East Tawas. There were also a few "freak finds": mysteries of the fire that remain unsolved to this day. An example is the photograph that was found standing on a piano in the Swanson home. Although the picture frame was damaged, the photo itself was not even scorched while the piano and everything else in the house was destroyed! Also found, next to a mass of silverware which had been melted together by the flames, was a hand-painted cream jar which showed no trace of the fire. Total destruction of both cities was nearly complete apart from the few objects (some of which are mentioned above) and the mere twenty-four buildings that escaped the flames. Fortunately, only five people died in the fire of 1911, but those who survived, and their descendants, will remember the tragedy for years to come. By Julie R. Applegarth, June 1989. The following article about the fire appeared in the Oscoda Press by editor Will McGillivray: OSCODA AND AUSABLE WIPED OUT BY FIRE Oscoda — Fire originating in adjacent forests and from sparks said to have been thrown by the locomotives of both the AuSable & Northwestern and the Detroit & Mackinac railway lines, devastated the twin towns of Oscoda and AuSable and that part of the community known as AuSable township, Tuesday, July 11. Business blocks, mills, factories and residence houses were totally destroyed to the number of about 600. Five lives were lost in the disaster: Francois Clairmount, an aged musician; William Batts, yardman at the Hotel Elliott; Samuel Rosenthal, merchant; Jacques Lavoie, box maker, who died of burns received, and an unidentified peddler. Only for the timely arrival of the steamer Niko, of the Edward Hines fleet, Captain Meyer, of Tonawanda, the loss of live would have been appalling. Two hundred and eighty persons, most of them women and children, were hemmed in on the lake shore, to which wings of fire had already spread on the north and south with the van of the conflagration moving down between. All but strong swimmers would undoubtedly have perished had not the boat arrived. The forest fire which had been burning since the preceding Sunday in the neighborhood of the new chemical plant was the cause of the burning of two houses in West AuSable early in the day. Sparks from the engine of the train known as the "Lincoln Stub" are said to have been responsible for the fire which burned the H. M. Loud Sons’ yards and plant. The big fire which bore down on Oscoda at four in the afternoon in a great wall of flame, started near the AuSable and Northwestern tracks at the Barlow farm. Within five minutes, twenty houses were ablaze on Main Street, and when it became evident that Oscoda was doomed, men ran up and down urging the women and children to hurry to the Loud Company’s south dock, at which the steamer "Niko" had just arrived. In the meantime, residents of "Shore Town" were flocking to the junction of the docks at the water’s edge. When the first crowd of women and children reached the boat at the end of the pier, men already on board were crying to the captain to "pull out". Eli Herrick, Peter McPhail and others of Oscoda and Charles Jahraus of Tawas City, stood by the lines declaring that they must not be thrown off until all who could be saved were taken on board. When the boat left the dock, her cabins were on fire fore and aft, and a disastrous panic was narrowly averted. The refugees could not be landed at Tawas, on account of the heavy sea, and the boat finally docked at Bay City. With the fire, which had entered at the west and early in the day, quenched AuSable seemed safe from the devastation underway in Oscoda, until the wind changed at 7 o’clock. Turning like a horse at the starting line, the flames set a terrific pace from the north to the south limits, the buildings sloughing before them as babbit melts and settles in a heated crucible. The inhabitants scurried before it like a herd of cattle amuck. Far out on the sands of the shore they ran helter skelter, void of dignity, all but one. Judge Connine, of the Iosco County Circuit Court, was the last in retreat. Appearing and disappearing in the front volumes of smoke, he walked with an extended stride, but even in the vortex, dignified. On the sands, in the cold north wind, social caste was lost and rich and poor huddled together until sunrise, in mutual discomfort. When the sun rose Wednesday morning, there was no one alive near the scene of the calamity but shuddered at the thought that hundreds of their neighbors had met a fearful death. When nightfall came and only four bodies had been found, there was a general feeling of relief, mingled with sorrow for the unfortunate ones. >From "Log Marks" by Neil Thornton By June Pelo My mother’s sister and family were burned out of their home in Oscoda by this fire. I remember my cousins telling me that their father grabbed some silverware and other items and buried them in the sand on the beach just before they all ran and stood in the water up to their necks with the air full of smoke and flames from the fire. They never recovered the items that were buried. After the fire the family moved to a farm in Alabaster, a city south of Tawas. My mother was born in AuSable where the family lived in a house owned by the lumber company for which my grandfather worked. JP [email protected] wrote: Was interested in the gendisasters site that was posted earlier, but couldn't find what I was looking for. Would anyone know where I could find information on the fire that burned down AuSable? Am looking for the year in particular and any other information. My family lived there and after the fire moved to Bay City. Thanks a lot. Sue Castanier Schroeder ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. MI-Genealogy Mail List Information http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/maillist.html ***************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message MYRA HERRON This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. 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I'm not totally sure, but I would assume that records would have been kept in Oscoda, which was a little larger than AuSable. AuSable is still there, but totally changed, and very small. I used to always think it was Oscoda until a friend moved there. All records were burned there then. They have recreated much of them, and that is an ongoing project, to find and add to what they have found. The genealogical society that serves that area, and has posted everything they have found on line, is found at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/mi/iosco/3501hsgs.htm They may be contacted for more information, if you wish, via the web site, I believe. Myra Herron Jeannie Stevens <[email protected]> wrote: About this particular fire. Was Oscoda or AuSable the primary location of the state of Michigan's Vital Statistics Records? I can't seem to find any adoption or birth records on my grandfather. His name then was Harold Leonard Soles. I remember my Aunt Rose Anne telling me that there was a fire and all the records were burned because the church, the city offices, and the court house was all right next door to each other. She never did say what city they went to. Myra Herron wrote: http://sydaby.eget.net/swe/jp_oscoda.htm THE 1911 OSCODA FIRE On July 11, a warm summer day in 1911, the neighboring cities of Oscoda and AuSable (Michigan) burned to the ground in what has been called the "most devastating fire in the history of Michigan". Both cities were constructed entirely of wood, due to the heavy influence of the lumber trade in those years. Not a single concrete sidewalk or building could be found, which made the communities perfect bait for the hungry, rapid flames. A forest fire had been hovering outside AuSable for three days prior to the tragedy, but the townspeople went about their business as usual, confident that their city would not be burned. On July 11 sudden fifty mile-per-hour winds swept the fire into AuSable, taking its inhabitants by surprise. Meanwhile, one mile west of Oscoda a passing locomotive threw sparks which ignited, spread quickly, and swept across a river valley destroying over three-fourths of the city of Oscoda. This fire united forces with the one already burning in AuSable, and drove the townspeople before it, running like a stampede of cattle to escape its wrath. Within two hours only twenty houses were left standing in Oscoda and only four buildings remained in the main portion of AuSable. For the people living there July 11, 1911 and the days and weeks following were nightmares. Some of those who attempted to save precious belongings were either caught in the flames or forced to abandon them and run for shelter. Shelter from the fire was found only in large expanses of sand and dunes, or in Lake Huron. Most people waded out into the cold, rough lake until they were neck-deep, holding children and the few possessions they managed to rescue over their heads. Even dogs, chickens, and cats were driven to the water. But even there the heat of the fire was tormenting and people were forced to splash water on their heads and necks respectively. Luckily a lumber boat that was docked at AuSable during the time of the fire carried away many men, women, children, and animals south to the safety of East Tawas and Port Huron. Mr. Chase S. Osborn, governor of the State of Michigan, appealed to the citizens of Michigan to contribute common necessities, clothing, food, and money to help assist the survivors of the fire. Railway companies transported the refugees to the nearest towns, and East Tawas residents gladly gave up their beds to the exhausted people, many of whom had been separated from their families and friends during the panic of the fire. Most of the residents of AuSable and Oscoda had to start their domestic lives over from scratch after the fire. Many moved permanently to East Tawas, Bay City or Port Huron and were eventually able to find jobs, set aside some savings, build houses, and live normally once again. Not only did the fire take the homes and possessions of AuSable and Oscoda residents, it destroyed the economic livelihood of the cities as well. The entire stock of the H. N. Loud and Sons lumber company was devastated, along with their mills and thousands of acres of lumber. The Louds were one of many families that moved to Bay City after the disaster, and later they migrated to Oregon to try their luck on the lumber business once again. The railroad companies also suffered heavy loss. Due to the intense heat, the rails were warped and buckled beyond repair in certain areas. Despite the immense destruction of the fire, there were a few trinkets and possessions that somehow escaped the flames. Silver vases, which had been buried at the first warning of fire, survived. Ceramic plates were also spared by the flames, although other substances were melted and crusted onto them in places. Two such plates are on display in the museum of the Iosco County Historical Society in East Tawas. There were also a few "freak finds": mysteries of the fire that remain unsolved to this day. An example is the photograph that was found standing on a piano in the Swanson home. Although the picture frame was damaged, the photo itself was not even scorched while the piano and everything else in the house was destroyed! Also found, next to a mass of silverware which had been melted together by the flames, was a hand-painted cream jar which showed no trace of the fire. Total destruction of both cities was nearly complete apart from the few objects (some of which are mentioned above) and the mere twenty-four buildings that escaped the flames. Fortunately, only five people died in the fire of 1911, but those who survived, and their descendants, will remember the tragedy for years to come. By Julie R. Applegarth, June 1989. The following article about the fire appeared in the Oscoda Press by editor Will McGillivray: OSCODA AND AUSABLE WIPED OUT BY FIRE Oscoda — Fire originating in adjacent forests and from sparks said to have been thrown by the locomotives of both the AuSable & Northwestern and the Detroit & Mackinac railway lines, devastated the twin towns of Oscoda and AuSable and that part of the community known as AuSable township, Tuesday, July 11. Business blocks, mills, factories and residence houses were totally destroyed to the number of about 600. Five lives were lost in the disaster: Francois Clairmount, an aged musician; William Batts, yardman at the Hotel Elliott; Samuel Rosenthal, merchant; Jacques Lavoie, box maker, who died of burns received, and an unidentified peddler. Only for the timely arrival of the steamer Niko, of the Edward Hines fleet, Captain Meyer, of Tonawanda, the loss of live would have been appalling. Two hundred and eighty persons, most of them women and children, were hemmed in on the lake shore, to which wings of fire had already spread on the north and south with the van of the conflagration moving down between. All but strong swimmers would undoubtedly have perished had not the boat arrived. The forest fire which had been burning since the preceding Sunday in the neighborhood of the new chemical plant was the cause of the burning of two houses in West AuSable early in the day. Sparks from the engine of the train known as the "Lincoln Stub" are said to have been responsible for the fire which burned the H. M. Loud Sons’ yards and plant. The big fire which bore down on Oscoda at four in the afternoon in a great wall of flame, started near the AuSable and Northwestern tracks at the Barlow farm. Within five minutes, twenty houses were ablaze on Main Street, and when it became evident that Oscoda was doomed, men ran up and down urging the women and children to hurry to the Loud Company’s south dock, at which the steamer "Niko" had just arrived. In the meantime, residents of "Shore Town" were flocking to the junction of the docks at the water’s edge. When the first crowd of women and children reached the boat at the end of the pier, men already on board were crying to the captain to "pull out". Eli Herrick, Peter McPhail and others of Oscoda and Charles Jahraus of Tawas City, stood by the lines declaring that they must not be thrown off until all who could be saved were taken on board. When the boat left the dock, her cabins were on fire fore and aft, and a disastrous panic was narrowly averted. The refugees could not be landed at Tawas, on account of the heavy sea, and the boat finally docked at Bay City. With the fire, which had entered at the west and early in the day, quenched AuSable seemed safe from the devastation underway in Oscoda, until the wind changed at 7 o’clock. Turning like a horse at the starting line, the flames set a terrific pace from the north to the south limits, the buildings sloughing before them as babbit melts and settles in a heated crucible. The inhabitants scurried before it like a herd of cattle amuck. Far out on the sands of the shore they ran helter skelter, void of dignity, all but one. Judge Connine, of the Iosco County Circuit Court, was the last in retreat. Appearing and disappearing in the front volumes of smoke, he walked with an extended stride, but even in the vortex, dignified. On the sands, in the cold north wind, social caste was lost and rich and poor huddled together until sunrise, in mutual discomfort. When the sun rose Wednesday morning, there was no one alive near the scene of the calamity but shuddered at the thought that hundreds of their neighbors had met a fearful death. When nightfall came and only four bodies had been found, there was a general feeling of relief, mingled with sorrow for the unfortunate ones. >From "Log Marks" by Neil Thornton By June Pelo My mother’s sister and family were burned out of their home in Oscoda by this fire. I remember my cousins telling me that their father grabbed some silverware and other items and buried them in the sand on the beach just before they all ran and stood in the water up to their necks with the air full of smoke and flames from the fire. They never recovered the items that were buried. After the fire the family moved to a farm in Alabaster, a city south of Tawas. My mother was born in AuSable where the family lived in a house owned by the lumber company for which my grandfather worked. JP [email protected] wrote: Was interested in the gendisasters site that was posted earlier, but couldn't find what I was looking for. Would anyone know where I could find information on the fire that burned down AuSable? Am looking for the year in particular and any other information. My family lived there and after the fire moved to Bay City. Thanks a lot. Sue Castanier Schroeder ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. MI-Genealogy Mail List Information http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/maillist.html ***************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message MYRA HERRON This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. 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About this particular fire. Was Oscoda or AuSable the primary location of the state of Michigan's Vital Statistics Records? I can't seem to find any adoption or birth records on my grandfather. His name then was Harold Leonard Soles. I remember my Aunt Rose Anne telling me that there was a fire and all the records were burned because the church, the city offices, and the court house was all right next door to each other. She never did say what city they went to. Myra Herron <[email protected]> wrote: http://sydaby.eget.net/swe/jp_oscoda.htm THE 1911 OSCODA FIRE On July 11, a warm summer day in 1911, the neighboring cities of Oscoda and AuSable (Michigan) burned to the ground in what has been called the "most devastating fire in the history of Michigan". Both cities were constructed entirely of wood, due to the heavy influence of the lumber trade in those years. Not a single concrete sidewalk or building could be found, which made the communities perfect bait for the hungry, rapid flames. A forest fire had been hovering outside AuSable for three days prior to the tragedy, but the townspeople went about their business as usual, confident that their city would not be burned. On July 11 sudden fifty mile-per-hour winds swept the fire into AuSable, taking its inhabitants by surprise. Meanwhile, one mile west of Oscoda a passing locomotive threw sparks which ignited, spread quickly, and swept across a river valley destroying over three-fourths of the city of Oscoda. This fire united forces with the one already burning in AuSable, and drove the townspeople before it, running like a stampede of cattle to escape its wrath. Within two hours only twenty houses were left standing in Oscoda and only four buildings remained in the main portion of AuSable. For the people living there July 11, 1911 and the days and weeks following were nightmares. Some of those who attempted to save precious belongings were either caught in the flames or forced to abandon them and run for shelter. Shelter from the fire was found only in large expanses of sand and dunes, or in Lake Huron. Most people waded out into the cold, rough lake until they were neck-deep, holding children and the few possessions they managed to rescue over their heads. Even dogs, chickens, and cats were driven to the water. But even there the heat of the fire was tormenting and people were forced to splash water on their heads and necks respectively. Luckily a lumber boat that was docked at AuSable during the time of the fire carried away many men, women, children, and animals south to the safety of East Tawas and Port Huron. Mr. Chase S. Osborn, governor of the State of Michigan, appealed to the citizens of Michigan to contribute common necessities, clothing, food, and money to help assist the survivors of the fire. Railway companies transported the refugees to the nearest towns, and East Tawas residents gladly gave up their beds to the exhausted people, many of whom had been separated from their families and friends during the panic of the fire. Most of the residents of AuSable and Oscoda had to start their domestic lives over from scratch after the fire. Many moved permanently to East Tawas, Bay City or Port Huron and were eventually able to find jobs, set aside some savings, build houses, and live normally once again. Not only did the fire take the homes and possessions of AuSable and Oscoda residents, it destroyed the economic livelihood of the cities as well. The entire stock of the H. N. Loud and Sons lumber company was devastated, along with their mills and thousands of acres of lumber. The Louds were one of many families that moved to Bay City after the disaster, and later they migrated to Oregon to try their luck on the lumber business once again. The railroad companies also suffered heavy loss. Due to the intense heat, the rails were warped and buckled beyond repair in certain areas. Despite the immense destruction of the fire, there were a few trinkets and possessions that somehow escaped the flames. Silver vases, which had been buried at the first warning of fire, survived. Ceramic plates were also spared by the flames, although other substances were melted and crusted onto them in places. Two such plates are on display in the museum of the Iosco County Historical Society in East Tawas. There were also a few "freak finds": mysteries of the fire that remain unsolved to this day. An example is the photograph that was found standing on a piano in the Swanson home. Although the picture frame was damaged, the photo itself was not even scorched while the piano and everything else in the house was destroyed! Also found, next to a mass of silverware which had been melted together by the flames, was a hand-painted cream jar which showed no trace of the fire. Total destruction of both cities was nearly complete apart from the few objects (some of which are mentioned above) and the mere twenty-four buildings that escaped the flames. Fortunately, only five people died in the fire of 1911, but those who survived, and their descendants, will remember the tragedy for years to come. By Julie R. Applegarth, June 1989. The following article about the fire appeared in the Oscoda Press by editor Will McGillivray: OSCODA AND AUSABLE WIPED OUT BY FIRE Oscoda — Fire originating in adjacent forests and from sparks said to have been thrown by the locomotives of both the AuSable & Northwestern and the Detroit & Mackinac railway lines, devastated the twin towns of Oscoda and AuSable and that part of the community known as AuSable township, Tuesday, July 11. Business blocks, mills, factories and residence houses were totally destroyed to the number of about 600. Five lives were lost in the disaster: Francois Clairmount, an aged musician; William Batts, yardman at the Hotel Elliott; Samuel Rosenthal, merchant; Jacques Lavoie, box maker, who died of burns received, and an unidentified peddler. Only for the timely arrival of the steamer Niko, of the Edward Hines fleet, Captain Meyer, of Tonawanda, the loss of live would have been appalling. Two hundred and eighty persons, most of them women and children, were hemmed in on the lake shore, to which wings of fire had already spread on the north and south with the van of the conflagration moving down between. All but strong swimmers would undoubtedly have perished had not the boat arrived. The forest fire which had been burning since the preceding Sunday in the neighborhood of the new chemical plant was the cause of the burning of two houses in West AuSable early in the day. Sparks from the engine of the train known as the "Lincoln Stub" are said to have been responsible for the fire which burned the H. M. Loud Sons’ yards and plant. The big fire which bore down on Oscoda at four in the afternoon in a great wall of flame, started near the AuSable and Northwestern tracks at the Barlow farm. Within five minutes, twenty houses were ablaze on Main Street, and when it became evident that Oscoda was doomed, men ran up and down urging the women and children to hurry to the Loud Company’s south dock, at which the steamer "Niko" had just arrived. In the meantime, residents of "Shore Town" were flocking to the junction of the docks at the water’s edge. When the first crowd of women and children reached the boat at the end of the pier, men already on board were crying to the captain to "pull out". Eli Herrick, Peter McPhail and others of Oscoda and Charles Jahraus of Tawas City, stood by the lines declaring that they must not be thrown off until all who could be saved were taken on board. When the boat left the dock, her cabins were on fire fore and aft, and a disastrous panic was narrowly averted. The refugees could not be landed at Tawas, on account of the heavy sea, and the boat finally docked at Bay City. With the fire, which had entered at the west and early in the day, quenched AuSable seemed safe from the devastation underway in Oscoda, until the wind changed at 7 o’clock. Turning like a horse at the starting line, the flames set a terrific pace from the north to the south limits, the buildings sloughing before them as babbit melts and settles in a heated crucible. The inhabitants scurried before it like a herd of cattle amuck. Far out on the sands of the shore they ran helter skelter, void of dignity, all but one. Judge Connine, of the Iosco County Circuit Court, was the last in retreat. Appearing and disappearing in the front volumes of smoke, he walked with an extended stride, but even in the vortex, dignified. On the sands, in the cold north wind, social caste was lost and rich and poor huddled together until sunrise, in mutual discomfort. When the sun rose Wednesday morning, there was no one alive near the scene of the calamity but shuddered at the thought that hundreds of their neighbors had met a fearful death. When nightfall came and only four bodies had been found, there was a general feeling of relief, mingled with sorrow for the unfortunate ones. >From "Log Marks" by Neil Thornton By June Pelo My mother’s sister and family were burned out of their home in Oscoda by this fire. I remember my cousins telling me that their father grabbed some silverware and other items and buried them in the sand on the beach just before they all ran and stood in the water up to their necks with the air full of smoke and flames from the fire. They never recovered the items that were buried. After the fire the family moved to a farm in Alabaster, a city south of Tawas. My mother was born in AuSable where the family lived in a house owned by the lumber company for which my grandfather worked. JP [email protected] wrote: Was interested in the gendisasters site that was posted earlier, but couldn't find what I was looking for. Would anyone know where I could find information on the fire that burned down AuSable? Am looking for the year in particular and any other information. My family lived there and after the fire moved to Bay City. Thanks a lot. Sue Castanier Schroeder ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. 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http://sydaby.eget.net/swe/jp_oscoda.htm THE 1911 OSCODA FIRE On July 11, a warm summer day in 1911, the neighboring cities of Oscoda and AuSable (Michigan) burned to the ground in what has been called the "most devastating fire in the history of Michigan". Both cities were constructed entirely of wood, due to the heavy influence of the lumber trade in those years. Not a single concrete sidewalk or building could be found, which made the communities perfect bait for the hungry, rapid flames. A forest fire had been hovering outside AuSable for three days prior to the tragedy, but the townspeople went about their business as usual, confident that their city would not be burned. On July 11 sudden fifty mile-per-hour winds swept the fire into AuSable, taking its inhabitants by surprise. Meanwhile, one mile west of Oscoda a passing locomotive threw sparks which ignited, spread quickly, and swept across a river valley destroying over three-fourths of the city of Oscoda. This fire united forces with the one already burning in AuSable, and drove the townspeople before it, running like a stampede of cattle to escape its wrath. Within two hours only twenty houses were left standing in Oscoda and only four buildings remained in the main portion of AuSable. For the people living there July 11, 1911 and the days and weeks following were nightmares. Some of those who attempted to save precious belongings were either caught in the flames or forced to abandon them and run for shelter. Shelter from the fire was found only in large expanses of sand and dunes, or in Lake Huron. Most people waded out into the cold, rough lake until they were neck-deep, holding children and the few possessions they managed to rescue over their heads. Even dogs, chickens, and cats were driven to the water. But even there the heat of the fire was tormenting and people were forced to splash water on their heads and necks respectively. Luckily a lumber boat that was docked at AuSable during the time of the fire carried away many men, women, children, and animals south to the safety of East Tawas and Port Huron. Mr. Chase S. Osborn, governor of the State of Michigan, appealed to the citizens of Michigan to contribute common necessities, clothing, food, and money to help assist the survivors of the fire. Railway companies transported the refugees to the nearest towns, and East Tawas residents gladly gave up their beds to the exhausted people, many of whom had been separated from their families and friends during the panic of the fire. Most of the residents of AuSable and Oscoda had to start their domestic lives over from scratch after the fire. Many moved permanently to East Tawas, Bay City or Port Huron and were eventually able to find jobs, set aside some savings, build houses, and live normally once again. Not only did the fire take the homes and possessions of AuSable and Oscoda residents, it destroyed the economic livelihood of the cities as well. The entire stock of the H. N. Loud and Sons lumber company was devastated, along with their mills and thousands of acres of lumber. The Louds were one of many families that moved to Bay City after the disaster, and later they migrated to Oregon to try their luck on the lumber business once again. The railroad companies also suffered heavy loss. Due to the intense heat, the rails were warped and buckled beyond repair in certain areas. Despite the immense destruction of the fire, there were a few trinkets and possessions that somehow escaped the flames. Silver vases, which had been buried at the first warning of fire, survived. Ceramic plates were also spared by the flames, although other substances were melted and crusted onto them in places. Two such plates are on display in the museum of the Iosco County Historical Society in East Tawas. There were also a few "freak finds": mysteries of the fire that remain unsolved to this day. An example is the photograph that was found standing on a piano in the Swanson home. Although the picture frame was damaged, the photo itself was not even scorched while the piano and everything else in the house was destroyed! Also found, next to a mass of silverware which had been melted together by the flames, was a hand-painted cream jar which showed no trace of the fire. Total destruction of both cities was nearly complete apart from the few objects (some of which are mentioned above) and the mere twenty-four buildings that escaped the flames. Fortunately, only five people died in the fire of 1911, but those who survived, and their descendants, will remember the tragedy for years to come. By Julie R. Applegarth, June 1989. The following article about the fire appeared in the Oscoda Press by editor Will McGillivray: OSCODA AND AUSABLE WIPED OUT BY FIRE Oscoda — Fire originating in adjacent forests and from sparks said to have been thrown by the locomotives of both the AuSable & Northwestern and the Detroit & Mackinac railway lines, devastated the twin towns of Oscoda and AuSable and that part of the community known as AuSable township, Tuesday, July 11. Business blocks, mills, factories and residence houses were totally destroyed to the number of about 600. Five lives were lost in the disaster: Francois Clairmount, an aged musician; William Batts, yardman at the Hotel Elliott; Samuel Rosenthal, merchant; Jacques Lavoie, box maker, who died of burns received, and an unidentified peddler. Only for the timely arrival of the steamer Niko, of the Edward Hines fleet, Captain Meyer, of Tonawanda, the loss of live would have been appalling. Two hundred and eighty persons, most of them women and children, were hemmed in on the lake shore, to which wings of fire had already spread on the north and south with the van of the conflagration moving down between. All but strong swimmers would undoubtedly have perished had not the boat arrived. The forest fire which had been burning since the preceding Sunday in the neighborhood of the new chemical plant was the cause of the burning of two houses in West AuSable early in the day. Sparks from the engine of the train known as the "Lincoln Stub" are said to have been responsible for the fire which burned the H. M. Loud Sons’ yards and plant. The big fire which bore down on Oscoda at four in the afternoon in a great wall of flame, started near the AuSable and Northwestern tracks at the Barlow farm. Within five minutes, twenty houses were ablaze on Main Street, and when it became evident that Oscoda was doomed, men ran up and down urging the women and children to hurry to the Loud Company’s south dock, at which the steamer "Niko" had just arrived. In the meantime, residents of "Shore Town" were flocking to the junction of the docks at the water’s edge. When the first crowd of women and children reached the boat at the end of the pier, men already on board were crying to the captain to "pull out". Eli Herrick, Peter McPhail and others of Oscoda and Charles Jahraus of Tawas City, stood by the lines declaring that they must not be thrown off until all who could be saved were taken on board. When the boat left the dock, her cabins were on fire fore and aft, and a disastrous panic was narrowly averted. The refugees could not be landed at Tawas, on account of the heavy sea, and the boat finally docked at Bay City. With the fire, which had entered at the west and early in the day, quenched AuSable seemed safe from the devastation underway in Oscoda, until the wind changed at 7 o’clock. Turning like a horse at the starting line, the flames set a terrific pace from the north to the south limits, the buildings sloughing before them as babbit melts and settles in a heated crucible. The inhabitants scurried before it like a herd of cattle amuck. Far out on the sands of the shore they ran helter skelter, void of dignity, all but one. Judge Connine, of the Iosco County Circuit Court, was the last in retreat. Appearing and disappearing in the front volumes of smoke, he walked with an extended stride, but even in the vortex, dignified. On the sands, in the cold north wind, social caste was lost and rich and poor huddled together until sunrise, in mutual discomfort. When the sun rose Wednesday morning, there was no one alive near the scene of the calamity but shuddered at the thought that hundreds of their neighbors had met a fearful death. When nightfall came and only four bodies had been found, there was a general feeling of relief, mingled with sorrow for the unfortunate ones. From "Log Marks" by Neil Thornton By June Pelo My mother’s sister and family were burned out of their home in Oscoda by this fire. I remember my cousins telling me that their father grabbed some silverware and other items and buried them in the sand on the beach just before they all ran and stood in the water up to their necks with the air full of smoke and flames from the fire. They never recovered the items that were buried. After the fire the family moved to a farm in Alabaster, a city south of Tawas. My mother was born in AuSable where the family lived in a house owned by the lumber company for which my grandfather worked. JP [email protected] wrote: Was interested in the gendisasters site that was posted earlier, but couldn't find what I was looking for. Would anyone know where I could find information on the fire that burned down AuSable? Am looking for the year in particular and any other information. My family lived there and after the fire moved to Bay City. Thanks a lot. Sue Castanier Schroeder ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. MI-Genealogy Mail List Information http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/maillist.html ***************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message MYRA HERRON This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. 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New Michigan Disaster Articles ..... Just added at http://www.gendisasters.com Events That Touched Our Ancestor's Lives.... Chesterfield, MI Tornado, Apr 1893 Dundee, MI Tornado, Apr 1881 Ypsilanti, MI Tornado, Apr 1893 Calumet, MI Mine Fire, Sept 1895 Calumet, MI Osceola Mine Fire, Sept 1895 Crystal Falls, MI Mine Disaster, Sept 1893 Negaunee, MI Negaunee Mine Cave In, Jan 1902 Vulcan, MI Mine Shaft Accident, Feb 1906 Calumet, MI Theater Panic, Dec 1913 Allston, MI Forest Fires, May 1910 Battle Creek, MI Sanitarium Fire, Feb 1902 Calumet, MI Forest Fire, May 1910 Detroit, MI Detroit Free Press Fire, Jan 1837 Detroit, MI Detroit Gazette Office Fire, Apr 1830 Detroit, MI Fire, 1832-33 Detroit, MI Fire, Jan 1842 Detroit, MI Fire, Jun 1805 Detroit, MI House Fire, Apr 1873 Detroit, MI Michigan Central Freight Bldg Fire, Nov 1850 Detroit, MI Stable Fire, Mar 1902 Detroit, MI Woodard Avenue and Presbyterian Church Fire, Jan 1854 Foster City, MI Fire, Sept 1908 Lansing, MI Hotel Kerns Fire Disaster, Dec 1934 Owosso, MI School Fire, Apr 1902 Royal Oak, MI Shrine of the Little Flower Fire, Mar 1936 Windsor, MI Fire, Apr 1849 Detroit, MI Parachute Jumper Accident, Aug 1892 Iona, MI Balloon Collapse, Jul 1873 Battle Creek, MI Drowning, Aug 1902 Big Rapids, MI Drowning, Jun 1882 Grand Rapids, MI Carrs Lake Drownings, Jun 1877 Midland, MI Chipewa River Drownings, Jun 1877 Windmill Point, MI Yacht Capsize and Drownings, Sept 1897 Detroit, MI Steamer Unique Explosion, May 1895 Midland, MI Midland Salt and Lumber Plant Explosion, May 1892 Alpena, MI Excursion Train Derailment, June 1902 Calumet, MI Train Off Bridge, Sept 1852 Detroit, MI School Bus - Train Wreck, Oct 1942 Durand, MI Circus Train Wreck, Aug 1903 Hillsdale, MI Train Wreck, Feb 1856 Laporte, MI Train Collision Kills Workers, Oct 1856 Menomonee, MI Train and Street Car Collision, May 1917 Port Huron, MI Suffocates In Train Accident In Tunnel, Oct 1904 Salem, MI Excursion Train In Head On Collision, July 1907 Seneca, MI Head-On Train Collision, Nov 1901 White Pigeon, MI Flyer Derailment, Nov 1957 More Michigan Disasters http://www3.gendisasters.com/category/united-states/michigan We've added several new features at gendisasters - and over 2800 disaster articles in the past month. Several sections have been expanded to include more Accidents, Auto Accidents, Horse & Buggy Accidents, Bridge Collapses, and Building Collapses. Browse the site by State, Disaster - or Year. Post a message on our new message boards and let us know who and what information you're looking for. We might be able to find that Train Wreck, Fire, Flood, Explosion, etc. for you. You can now add articles to our database - or post more information or comment on existing articles.

We maintain the Michigan Marriage Index Database that has the following records: NAME,SPOUSE,COUNTY,COUNTY2,DATE,DOCUMENT,INFO ============================================================ DEWITT - HOUGHTAILING,DELIA D DAY,CALHOUN,--,04 JUN 1848,--,-- ELI - HOUGHTAILING,MARY - BLOWER,CALHOUN,--,16 MAR 1878,--,-- HARRIET - HOUGHTAILING,WILLIAM H COOPER,LIVINGSTON,--,06 DEC 1857,--,-- JEROME - HOUGHTAILING,EMMA E STARK,TUSCOLA,--,14 JAN 1877,--,-- LEVI - HOUGHTAILING,MARY ANN HARRINGTON,CALHOUN,--,27 OCT 1850,--,-- MAHALA - HOUGHTAILING,SAMUEL - PRIOR,CALHOUN,--,16 FEB 1853,--,-- NATHANIEL - HOUGHTAILING,ELIZA - WARREN~WALTER,TUSCOLA,--,30 OCT 1878,--,-- NATHANIEL - HOUGHTAILING,ELIZA - WALTER~WARREN,TUSCOLA,--,30 OCT 1878,--,-- A L HOUGHTALING,LILLIE - IRWIN,CHEBOYGAN,--,24 JUL 1907,--,-- ABRAHAM - HOUGHTALING,CLARA M ANDREWS,GRATIOT,--,15 OCT 1868,--,-- ADELAH - HOUGHTALING,DANIEL - TIBBETS,BRANCH,--,20 JUL 1856,--,-- AGNES - HOUGHTALING,JOHN G POWERS,MECOSTA,--,16 APR 1888,--,-- ALBERT - HOUGHTALING,MARTHA - BENTLEY,JACKSON,--,04 DEC 1875,--,-- AMANDA AMELIA HOUGHTALING,BENJAMIN - LOOMIS,TUSCOLA,--,03 JAN 1869,--, [email protected] AMY JO HOUGHTALING,DAVID DOUGLAS HOWE,INGHAM,--,11 JUL 1994,CTY REC# M1994-0001180 -APPL DATE,-- ARCHIBALD - HOUGHTALING,ESTHER - CRAIN,GR TRAVERSE,--,00 XXX 1845,--,-- BARBARA JEAN HOUGHTALING,FREDRICK J BROWN,GENESEE,--,05 MAR 1966,FILE# 196607514,-- BRADLEY JASON HOUGHTALING,MELANIE JEAN MACK,INGHAM,--,20 JAN 1998,CTY REC# M1998-0000053 -APPL DATE,-- CAROLINE - HOUGHTALING,ALVIN - ELDRIDGE,CLINTON,--,25 FEB 1862,--,-- [email protected] CATHERINE ANN HOUGHTALING,NATHAN PAUL DIAZ,INGHAM,--,10 JUN 1993,CTY REC# M1993-0000926 -APPL DATE,-- CHARLES - HOUGHTALING,MARIETTA - BABCOCK,BRANCH,--,25 FEB 1879,--,-- CHARLES EUGENE HOUGHTALING,EVA ALMINA MUNGER,SAGINAW,--,25 OCT 1882,--,-- CHAUNCEY D HOUGHTALING,JULIAETTE - SNIDER,EATON,--,24 SEP 1864,--,-- CLINTON - HOUGHTALING,HATTIE - DUPREY,JACKSON,--,04 JAN 1876,--,-- DANIEL JOHN HOUGHTALING,REGINA - WILSON,INGHAM,--,15 OCT 1996,CTY REC# M1996-0001953 -APPL DATE,-- DONALD A HOUGHTALING,JEAN OPAL WHITE~(DUDLEY),GENESEE,--,18 DEC 1947,FILE# 194753794,-- DONALD A HOUGHTALING,JEAN OPAL (DUDLEY)~WHITE,GENESEE,--,18 DEC 1947,FILE# 194753794,-- EDITH CARLOTTA HOUGHTALING,FRANK E CROUCH,WAYNE,--,04 SEP 1914,--,-- EDWARD WILLIAM HOUGHTALING,DORIS CORA DECKER,GENESEE,--,24 AUG 1963,FILE# 196397356,-- ELI - HOUGHTALING,HENNREITTA - HOUGHTALING?,GR TRAVERSE,--,27 JUL 1872,CTY REC# LIBER 2 PG 013,-- vol - b moore ELIZABETH M HOUGHTALING?,HENRY B HOUGHTALING,INGHAM,--,00 XXA 1956,LANSING STATE JOURNAL 06 DEC 2004 - OBIT - ELIZABETH,-- ESTHER - HOUGHTALING,JAMES D TOWN,JACKSON,--,12 APR 1873,--,-- FRANCES ADELINE HOUGHTALING,WILLIAM NELSON TOLAN,TUSCOLA,--,16 DEC 1874,--,-- FRANCIS - HOUGHTALING,SUSANA JANE CLARK,SAGINAW,--,25 DEC 1857,--,-- FRANK A HOUGHTALING,ANNA - BREWER,MONTCALM,--,01 NOV 1892,VOL C PG 100,-- FRANKLIN PIERCE HOUGHTALING,ESTELLA JOSEPHINE OLMSTEAD,BRANCH,--,20 FEB 1876,--,-- GARRETT - HOUGHTALING,RACHEL - THOMPSON,IONIA,--,15 OCT 1835,--,-- GEORGE H HOUGHTALING,ABBIE - DIAMOND,GENESEE,--,29 AUG 1888,--,-- GEORGE WHITFIELD HOUGHTALING,REBECCA JANE THOMPSON~HUTCHINS,MECOSTA,--,25 MAR 1865/25 APR 1865,--, [email protected] GEORGE WHITFIELD HOUGHTALING,LULU ELIZABETH PALMER,PRESQUE ISLE,--,14 AUG 1910,--,[email protected] GEORGE WHITFIELD HOUGHTALING,REBECCA JANE HUTCHINS~THOMPSON,MECOSTA,--,25 MAR 1865/25 APR 1865,--, [email protected] GERALD LEE HOUGHTALING,SUSAN KAY (WHITE)~HOUGHTALING,GENESEE,--,10 AUG 1974>1995,FILE# 199532719,-- GERALD LEE HOUGHTALING,SUSAN KAY (WHITE)~MYJAK,GENESEE,--,10 AUG 1974>1995,FILE# 197446159,-- GERALD LEE HOUGHTALING,SUSAN KAY HOUGHTALING~(WHITE),GENESEE,--,10 AUG 1974>1995,FILE# 199532719,-- GERALD LEE HOUGHTALING,SUSAN KAY MYJAK~(WHITE),GENESEE,--,10 AUG 1974>1995,FILE# 197446159,-- HENRY - HOUGHTALING,GRACE L SLOAN,BERRIEN,--,15 JUL 1905,CTY REC# 0572,-- HENRY B HOUGHTALING,ELIZABETH M HOUGHTALING?,INGHAM,--,00 XXA 1956,LANSING STATE JOURNAL 06 DEC 2004 - OBIT - ELIZABETH,-- HESSRIETTA - HOUGHTALING?,ELI - HOUGHTALING,GR TRAVERSE,--,27 JUL 1872,--,-- JULIA FARAND HOUGHTALING,HENRY JOHNSON SCHOLEY,BRANCH,--,12 DEC 1877,--,-- KEVIN SCOTT HOUGHTALING,AMY SUZANNE BERGER,INGHAM,--,03 JAN 1994,CTY REC# M1994-0000005 -APPL DATE,-- LANA ANN HOUGHTALING,NATHAN - SINES,KENT,--,00 XXX 1841,--,-- LEVIAS A HOUGHTALING,ELIZABETH - STEEL,TUSCOLA,--,17 AUG 1874,--,-- MARY - HOUGHTALING,GEORGE W SNOW,JACKSON,--,29 JAN 1854,--,-- MARY - HOUGHTALING,THOMAS - WELLS,CLINTON,--,05 MAY 1867,--,-- MARY ADA HOUGHTALING,CLARENCE ELMER PEARCE,LIVINGSTON,--,05 SEP 1888,--,-- MARY JANE HOUGHTALING,SOLMON - BUNKER,BRANCH,--,11 FEB 1852,--,-- MYRA EUPHANIA HOUGHTALING,ROY ELLIS POTTER,MONTCALM,--,12 JUN 1901,VOL C PG 277,-- NORMA BELLE (SMITH)~HOUGHTALING,GARY WALTER LADON,GENESEE,--,12 DEC 1959,FILE# 195985956,-- PATRICIA ANN HOUGHTALING,LANGFORD - MCCORMICK,GENESEE,--,14 OCT 1961,FILE# 196191433,-- PETER - HOUGHTALING,TENTY C WILCOX,KALAMAZOO,--,00 XXX 1830,--,-- PETER R HOUGHTALING,ELLEN A HALL,CALHOUN,--,12 FEB 1846,--,-- RICHARD JOSEPH HOUGHTALING,PATRICIA LEE SHERMAN,INGHAM,--,13 APR 1993,CTY REC# M1993-0000460 -APPL DATE,-- ROGER DEAN HOUGHTALING,SHELLEY ANN SMITH,GENESEE,--,10 JUN 1995,FILE# 199531983,-- ROSA - HOUGHTALING,WILBUR - TOWN,JACKSON,--,26 JUN 1875,--,-- RUTH A HOUGHTALING,EMIL J GRITTI,ST JOSEPH,--,28 DEC 1955,DELAYED MARRIAGES - 05?708,-- S C HOUGHTALING,HENRIETTA E RACKARD,GR TRAVERSE,--,02 NOV 1871,--,-- SAMUEL GATES HOUGHTALING,ELLEN RUTH TAYLOR,LIVINGSTON,--,15 DEC 1847,--,-- SUSAN E HOUGHTALING,JAMES A KNIGHT,TUSCOLA,--,07 DEC 1862,--,-- SUSAN KAY (WHITE)~HOUGHTALING,GERALD LEE HOUGHTALING,GENESEE,--,10 AUG 1974>1995,FILE# 199532719,-- WEALTHY M HOUGHTALING,SETH - PARKER,TUSCOLA,--,20 OCT 1859,--,-- WESLEY - HOUGHTALING,MARY - O'BRIEN,TUSCOLA,--,14 APR 1861,--,[email protected] WILHAM>WILLIAM - HOUGHTALING,AMANDA A SHELLEY,CLINTON,--,30 DEC 1865,--,-- [email protected] WILLIAM ALONZO HOUGHTALING,IDA BELL DENNIS,TUSCOLA,--,29 MAR 1883,--,-- WILLIAM C HOUGHTALING,ADA M BABCOCK,SAGINAW,--,24 DEC 1879,--,-- WILLIAM HAROLD HOUGHTALING,CAROL RENEA BERNING,INGHAM,--,08 DEC 1998,CTY REC# M1998-0002099 -APPL DATE,-- WILLIAM M HOUGHTALING,ELLEN N FACE,CLINTON,--,22 FEB 1863,--,-- [email protected] Any family connection? If so, we wold like to add your email address to the record as a reference for other researchers. Jack & Marianne Dibean - Lansing Michigan GenWeb Archives: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/marriages/michigan/michigan.htm Email Address: [email protected] WWII Memorial: www.wwiimemorial.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN LONG" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Mary Becker Stinger Dan, I saw your note concerning subject. However, subject is not what sparked my interest. It was your surname. By some chance you don't happen to be related to any folks by the name of Houghtaling who were born in Fairgrove Twp or Wisner Twp, Tuscola County, MI…died in Bay City, Bay County…buried in Tuscola County…during the period from 1877 to 1970? Given names would be Albert and Harriet; Oscar and Mary; and, Bernard Charles Houghtaling. Way back in abt 1825…there was a Rhode Houghtaling…or Houghtailing, who married a Jefferson Branch and had issue. They lived in Saginaw County. Any of these names strike a bell with you? John E Long ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. MI-Genealogy Mail List Information http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/maillist.html ***************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.15.26/1119 - Release Date: 11/8/2007 5:55 PM

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Dan, I saw your note concerning subject. However, subject is not what sparked my interest. It was your surname. By some chance you don't happen to be related to any folks by the name of Houghtaling who were born in Fairgrove Twp or Wisner Twp, Tuscola County, MI…died in Bay City, Bay County…buried in Tuscola County…during the period from 1877 to 1970? Given names would be Albert and Harriet; Oscar and Mary; and, Bernard Charles Houghtaling. Way back in abt 1825…there was a Rhode Houghtaling…or Houghtailing, who married a Jefferson Branch and had issue. They lived in Saginaw County. Any of these names strike a bell with you? John E Long

Elaine O'Neill, Thank you for responding.? We are from Marquette Michigan.? Most of my husband's family was from Manistique, which is in the U.P also.? Could you get any information on your uncle?? I know some of my husband's relatives were born in Detroit.? Could you furnish me with any more info?? Is this uncle still living?? I am trying to find an Albert Lamirand who was born in the Detroit area.? Does that name mean anything to you or your uncle? Carol Lamirand? Marquette, MI -----Original Message----- From: Elaine O'Neill <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 6:01 pm Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Lamirand information My husband's aunt is married to a Lamirand. I don't know much about his background however. He was born in Detroit in 1933. Where are your Lamirand's from? Elaine O'. in the Beautiful Missouri Ozarks On 11/10/07, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello, I am looking for any information on the Lamirand, Lamirande, Lemirand, Lemirande family.? Can any one help? > > Carol Lamirand ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. MI-Genealogy Mail List Information http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/maillist.html ***************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com

Rich, I see your last name of wasshnova, and I am getting Lamirand booklets on the family and there is a Mike Wasshnova that is one of the officers listed.? Is that your father or another relative? My husband's family came from Canada and according to the head of the group, Cecile Lemirand, and what I have discovered, John Lamirand and his brother Antoine came to the U.P. and settled near the Marquette-Ishpeming area.? They discovered a short time later, that the weather was better on the Garden Peninsula and the mining there was much safer and easier that the mines were in the Ishpeming area.? John Lemirand and his wife Jane Billings/Billington had several children, with one of them being Octave Lamirand, my husband's grandfather.? He married Daisy??Dixon and they had my father-in-law, Hugh Joseph Lamirand.? He married Lucille Frenette and they had 7 children and my husband was the second child.? Now, John's brother, Antoine and his wife moved to the Houghton area and had a large family there.? Does any of this sound familiar to you?? Who was your relative that came from Canada?? When did he come to the US?? Are you part of the lineage of Pierre?Dulignon de?Lamirand??! Please advise? Carol Lamirand -----Original Message----- From: Richard Van Wasshnova <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 5:50 pm Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Lamirand information Hi Carol, I have lots of Lemerand in my family file. Can you be more specific? My dad's first cousin, Art Lemerand lived across the street from me in Monroe County growing up. All either Monroe or Wayne county and from Quebec. -- Richard Van Wasshnova Seal Beach, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 3:16 PM Subject: [MI-GENEALOGY] Lamirand information > Hello, I am looking for any information on the Lamirand, Lamirande, > Lemirand, Lemirande family.? Can any one help? > > Carol Lamirand > ________________________________________________________________________ ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. MI-Genealogy Mail List Information http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/maillist.html ***************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com

In a message dated 11/12/07 3:23:43 PM, [email protected] writes: > Can anyone explain why I would get this email stating that MY message could > not be delivered etc.? I did not send this nor do I know the person who did > send it, evidently. > > Myra Herron > > I think everyone got this message, Myra. I know I did. I just deleted it. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

that's perfectly ok...it was just cause of the confusion.... and i see it has all been taken care of... it sounds like one of those things that happen to us...now we can laugh...at first...i didn't think so... patiann Myra Herron <[email protected]> wrote: If you meant my 'signature', Myra Herron, This represents the official voices in my head, that's just my signature. I change it every once in a while to something I like. Myra Herron PAR wrote: I hope the owner is checking this out....this is really crazy and weird. and if you will scroll down....i hightlighted something that sounds really weird. i have copied it right here..... MYRA HERRON This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. MYRA HERRON This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. MI-Genealogy Mail List Information http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/maillist.html ***************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.

It was probably an automatic response from the ISP of another subscriber to this list saying that list mail was undeliverable to that e-mail address. Just ignore it. Elaine O'. in the Beautiful Missouri Ozarks On 11/12/07, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > In a message dated 11/12/07 3:23:43 PM, [email protected] writes: > > > > Can anyone explain why I would get this email stating that MY message could > > not be delivered etc.? I did not send this nor do I know the person who did > > send it, evidently. > > > > Myra Herron > > > > > > I think everyone got this message, Myra. I know I did. I just deleted it. > >

If you meant my 'signature', Myra Herron, This represents the official voices in my head, that's just my signature. I change it every once in a while to something I like. Myra Herron PAR <[email protected]> wrote: I hope the owner is checking this out....this is really crazy and weird. and if you will scroll down....i hightlighted something that sounds really weird. i have copied it right here..... MYRA HERRON This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. MYRA HERRON This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage.

This is the Postfix program at host smtp2.pacifier.net. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The Postfix program <[email protected]>: host mail.rootsweb.com[66.43.27.34] said: 550 5.1.1 <[email protected]>... User unknown (in reply to RCPT TO command) Reporting-MTA: dns; smtp2.pacifier.net X-Postfix-Queue-ID: EEF6E6A51F X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; [email protected] Arrival-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:39:03 -0800 (PST) Final-Recipient: rfc822; [email protected] Original-Recipient: rfc822;[email protected] Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Remote-MTA: dns; mail.rootsweb.com Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 5.1.1 <[email protected]>... User unknown From: Dorothy Hagerty <[email protected]> Date: November 11, 2007 4:38:49 PM PST To: [email protected] Subject: Joseph and Thomas H Rogers Joseph Rogers was born in Palmyra, New York in 1805. He married Julia Sheffield in 1836 in Lyons, NY. By 1844 they were in Geddesburg (now Ann Arbor), MI where Joseph had grist mills. He died between 1873 and 1883. At one time Joseph and his brother, Thomas H. Rogers, considered building another flour mill in Geddesburg - according to an entry in the diary of John Geddes. In 1868, a William H. Rogers of California was a guest at Harriett's wedding - another brother?? The children of Joseph and Julia were: Emma, b. 1839 in New York, Harriet, b. 1842 in New York, Theodore (my grandfather) b.1846, Geddesburg, Helen, b. 1846 (?) Geddesburg, Clara b. 1848 in Geddesburg, Georgina, b. 1851 in Geddesburg, Joseph Miles, b. 1853 in Ann Arbor, Mark George, b. 1856 in Ann Arbor. The parents of Joseph and Thomas H. and possibly William H., are my brick wall. I would appreciate any and all information available. Thank you, Dorothy Hagerty

This is the Postfix program at host smtp2.pacifier.net. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The Postfix program <[email protected]>: host mail.rootsweb.com[66.43.27.34] said: 550 5.1.1 <[email protected]>... User unknown (in reply to RCPT TO command) Reporting-MTA: dns; smtp2.pacifier.net X-Postfix-Queue-ID: EEF6E6A51F X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; [email protected] Arrival-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:39:03 -0800 (PST) Final-Recipient: rfc822; [email protected] Original-Recipient: rfc822;[email protected] Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Remote-MTA: dns; mail.rootsweb.com Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 5.1.1 <[email protected]>... User unknown From: Dorothy Hagerty <[email protected]> Date: November 11, 2007 4:38:49 PM PST To: [email protected] Subject: Joseph and Thomas H Rogers Joseph Rogers was born in Palmyra, New York in 1805. He married Julia Sheffield in 1836 in Lyons, NY. By 1844 they were in Geddesburg (now Ann Arbor), MI where Joseph had grist mills. He died between 1873 and 1883. At one time Joseph and his brother, Thomas H. Rogers, considered building another flour mill in Geddesburg - according to an entry in the diary of John Geddes. In 1868, a William H. Rogers of California was a guest at Harriett's wedding - another brother?? The children of Joseph and Julia were: Emma, b. 1839 in New York, Harriet, b. 1842 in New York, Theodore (my grandfather) b.1846, Geddesburg, Helen, b. 1846 (?) Geddesburg, Clara b. 1848 in Geddesburg, Georgina, b. 1851 in Geddesburg, Joseph Miles, b. 1853 in Ann Arbor, Mark George, b. 1856 in Ann Arbor. The parents of Joseph and Thomas H. and possibly William H., are my brick wall. I would appreciate any and all information available. Thank you, Dorothy Hagerty ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. MI-Genealogy Mail List Information http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/maillist.html ***************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I hope the owner is checking this out....this is really crazy and weird. and if you will scroll down....i hightlighted something that sounds really weird. i have copied it right here..... MYRA HERRON This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. What is the Postfix program.... Patiann Myra Herron <[email protected]> wrote: Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:13:11 -0800 (PST) From: Myra Herron <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Can anyone explain why I would get this email stating that MY message could not be delivered etc.? I did not send this nor do I know the person who did send it, evidently. Myra Herron [email protected] wrote: This is the Postfix program at host smtp2.pacifier.net. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The Postfix program : host mail.rootsweb.com[66.43.27.34] said: 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown (in reply to RCPT TO command) Reporting-MTA: dns; smtp2.pacifier.net X-Postfix-Queue-ID: EEF6E6A51F X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; [email protected] Arrival-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:39:03 -0800 (PST) Final-Recipient: rfc822; [email protected] Original-Recipient: rfc822;[email protected] Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Remote-MTA: dns; mail.rootsweb.com Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown From: Dorothy Hagerty Date: November 11, 2007 4:38:49 PM PST To: [email protected] Subject: Joseph and Thomas H Rogers Joseph Rogers was born in Palmyra, New York in 1805. He married Julia Sheffield in 1836 in Lyons, NY. By 1844 they were in Geddesburg (now Ann Arbor), MI where Joseph had grist mills. He died between 1873 and 1883. At one time Joseph and his brother, Thomas H. Rogers, considered building another flour mill in Geddesburg - according to an entry in the diary of John Geddes. In 1868, a William H. Rogers of California was a guest at Harriett's wedding - another brother?? The children of Joseph and Julia were: Emma, b. 1839 in New York, Harriet, b. 1842 in New York, Theodore (my grandfather) b.1846, Geddesburg, Helen, b. 1846 (?) Geddesburg, Clara b. 1848 in Geddesburg, Georgina, b. 1851 in Geddesburg, Joseph Miles, b. 1853 in Ann Arbor, Mark George, b. 1856 in Ann Arbor. The parents of Joseph and Thomas H. and possibly William H., are my brick wall. I would appreciate any and all information available. Thank you, Dorothy Hagerty ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. MI-Genealogy Mail List Information http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/maillist.html ***************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message MYRA HERRON This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. MI-Genealogy Mail List Information http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/maillist.html ***************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Can anyone explain why I would get this email stating that MY message could not be delivered etc.? I did not send this nor do I know the person who did send it, evidently. Myra Herron [email protected] wrote: This is the Postfix program at host smtp2.pacifier.net. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The Postfix program : host mail.rootsweb.com[66.43.27.34] said: 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown (in reply to RCPT TO command) Reporting-MTA: dns; smtp2.pacifier.net X-Postfix-Queue-ID: EEF6E6A51F X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; [email protected] Arrival-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:39:03 -0800 (PST) Final-Recipient: rfc822; [email protected] Original-Recipient: rfc822;[email protected] Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Remote-MTA: dns; mail.rootsweb.com Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown From: Dorothy Hagerty Date: November 11, 2007 4:38:49 PM PST To: [email protected] Subject: Joseph and Thomas H Rogers Joseph Rogers was born in Palmyra, New York in 1805. He married Julia Sheffield in 1836 in Lyons, NY. By 1844 they were in Geddesburg (now Ann Arbor), MI where Joseph had grist mills. He died between 1873 and 1883. At one time Joseph and his brother, Thomas H. Rogers, considered building another flour mill in Geddesburg - according to an entry in the diary of John Geddes. In 1868, a William H. Rogers of California was a guest at Harriett's wedding - another brother?? The children of Joseph and Julia were: Emma, b. 1839 in New York, Harriet, b. 1842 in New York, Theodore (my grandfather) b.1846, Geddesburg, Helen, b. 1846 (?) Geddesburg, Clara b. 1848 in Geddesburg, Georgina, b. 1851 in Geddesburg, Joseph Miles, b. 1853 in Ann Arbor, Mark George, b. 1856 in Ann Arbor. The parents of Joseph and Thomas H. and possibly William H., are my brick wall. I would appreciate any and all information available. Thank you, Dorothy Hagerty ***************************** The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. Please respect others by keeping your postings to this theme. MI-Genealogy Mail List Information http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/maillist.html ***************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message MYRA HERRON This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Thanks Patricia! 2007/11/11, Patricia Heffernan <[email protected]>: > > Grand Rapids, Michigan City Directories, 1889-90 > about Marinus Van Der Wiere > Name: Marinus Van Der Wiere > Location 2: boards n s Hermitage 3 e of Carroll > Year: 1889 > City: Grand Rapids > State: MI > > Grand Rapids, Michigan City Directories, 1889-90 > about Marinus J Van Der Wiere > Name: Marinus J Van Der Wiere > Location 2: s s Ella avenue 1 w of Fuller > Occupation: laborer > Year: 1890 > City: Grand Rapids > State: MI > > > Individual Notes > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > Note for: Marinus Jacobus van der Wiere, 17 APR 1800 - Index > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > Christening: > Date: 23 APR 1800 > Place: Middelburg > > Occupation: Wever > Date: 1822 > > Occupation: Weversbaas > Date: 1840 > > Occupation: opzigter der calicotsfabrijk/katoenfabriek, Cahootfabrijk > (Camhoot??) > Date: 1857 > > Event: > Type: lijst landverhuizers > Note: > Vanderwiere, ??? > Occupation: Zonder - without occupation > Sex: Male > Age: 73 > Religion: Ned Hervormd, Hervormd--dutch Reformed > Social Class: Indigent > Assessed for Taxes: No > Tax Assessment Classification: Unknown > Women in Household: Unknown > Children in Household: Unknown > Servants in Household: Unknown > Reason for Emmigration: Economic Improvement > Destination: U.s.a. > Year: 1873 > Province: Zeeland > Municipality: Renesse Date: 1873 > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > Individual Notes > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > Note for: Cornelis Adriaan van der Wiere, 31 JAN 1824 - Index > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > Occupation: Timmerman > > Event: > Type: emigratie > Note: > Cornelis Adriaan van der Wiere > Emigrant in 1873 > Leeftijd (age) : 49 > Beroep (occupation) : timmerman (carpenter) > Kerkgenootschap (religion) : Nederlands-hervormd (Dutch Reformed) > Jaar vertrek (year of departure) : 1873 > Plaats van vertrek (place of departure) : Renesse > Vetrekt met zijn (departes with his) vrouw (wife) > Aantal kinderen (number of children) : 1 > Reden van vertrek (reason of departure) : Verbetering van bestaan > (Amelioration of existence) > Bestemming (destination) : Verenigde Staten van Noord-Amerika > Bron (source) : Staten van landverhuizingen (archief Provinciaal Bestuur > Zeeland) > In: Genealogische Afschriften 810/3, pagina (page) 163 > Bron: > Emigranten 1839-1900 > Archief: > Emigranten Noord- en Zuid-Amerika en Zuid-Afrika inventarisnummer > [toegevoegd 3 april 2006] > Uit de Staten van Landverhuizers en Bevolkingsregisters Date: 1873 > > Event: > Type: lijst landverhuizers > Note: > Vanderwiere, Cornelis Adriaan > Occupation: Timmerman - carpenter > Sex: Male > Age: 49 > Religion: Ned Hervormd, Hervormd--dutch Reformed > Social Class: Less well to do > Assessed for Taxes: Yes > Tax Assessment Classification: 35 > Women in Household: 1 > Children in Household: 1 > Servants in Household: Unknown > Reason for Emmigration: Economic Improvement > Destination: U.s.a. > Year: 1873 Lucretia Kornelia van der Wiere > État civil > > Née le 29 avril 1858 - Westkapelle > Décédée > Parents > > Marinus Jacobus van der Wiere 1830 ( : 28 ans) > Elizabeth Stroo 1831-1866 ( : 26 ans) > Mariage(s) > > Mariée avec x Nn 1854 > Mariée le 25 septembre 1884, Grand Rapids, Kent, Michigan, USA, avec > Cornelis Meyer > Frères et soeurs > > Lucretia Kornelia van der Wiere 1858 > Willem van der Wiere 1859 > Marinus Jakobus van der Wiere 1861-1863 > Marinus Jacobus van der Wiere 1863-1863 > Nn van der Wiere 1865 > Notes > > > EVEN: death registration 30 APR 1858 > > EVEN: detentie Gedetineerde in 1874 Huis van Bewaring te Vlissingen > Lucretia > Cornelia van de Wiere Geboorteplaats (place of birth) : Westkapelle Jaar > van > opname (year of detention) : 1874 Opgenomen in (place of detention) : Huis > van Bewaring te Vlissingen Betreft (re.) : inschrijvingsregister > Inventarisnummer (inventory number) : 435 Inschrijvingsnummer > (registration > number) : 225 1874 > > EVEN: passagierslijst USA Vanderwiere, Lucretia Family Status: Wife Age: > 22 > Sex: Female Occupation: Housewife, matron Ship Accommodations: Steerage > Port > of Embarkation: Rotterdam, Netherlands Port of Arrival: New York Vessel: > Rotterdam (netherlands-american steam navigation company) Destination: > U.S.A. (no specific place stated) Date of Arrival: 6/28/80 Last Residence: > Unidentified dutch municipality Microfilm Roll: M-237 New York Reel: 428 > 28 > JUN 1880 > > FAMS TIME: 10:36:20 > > Sources: > - mariage 2: 1 TEXTfamilysearch.org > > > Province: Zeeland > Municipality: Renesse Date: 1873 > > Religion: NH > > > > > > > Patricia Van Wagenen Heffernan > The Van Wagenen, Harrison and Heffernan Families of New > Yorkhttp://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/a/r/Patricia-V-Harrison > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:34 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MI-GENEALOGY] In search of my anchestors who moved to > theStates > > Vanderwiere > Year: 1873 > Age: 73 > Estimated birth year: abt 1800 > Place: Port Uncertain > Source Publication Code: 9081 > Primary Immigrant: Vanderwiere, Mr. > Annotation: Date of emigration with intended destination. Extracted from > "Staat Der Landverhuizingen Naar Noord-Amerika of Andere Overzeesche > Gewesten [ List of Emigrants to North America or other Overseas Places]" > which is located in the Algemeen Rijksarchief (Natio > Source Bibliography: SWIERENGA, ROBERT P, compiler. Dutch Emigrants to the > United States, South Africa, South America, and Southeast Asia, 1835-1880: > An Alphabetical Listing by Household Heads and Independent Persons. > Wilmington, DE: Scholarly Resources, 1983. 346p. > Page: 282 > > Marinus Jacobus Vanderwiere > Year: 1880 > Age: 50 > Estimated birth year: abt 1830 > Place: Pella, Iowa > Family Members: Child > Source Publication Code: 9081 > Primary Immigrant: Vanderwiere, Marinus Jacobus > Annotation: Date of emigration with intended destination. Extracted from > "Staat Der Landverhuizingen Naar Noord-Amerika of Andere Overzeesche > Gewesten [ List of Emigrants to North America or other Overseas Places]" > which is located in the Algemeen Rijksarchief (Natio > Source Bibliography: SWIERENGA, ROBERT P, compiler. Dutch Emigrants to the > United States, South Africa, South America, and Southeast Asia, 1835-1880: > An Alphabetical Listing by Household Heads and Independent Persons. > Wilmington, DE: Scholarly Resources, 1983. 346p. > Page: 282 > Census results: > Marinus Vanderwieve > [Marinus Vanderwiere] > Age in 1910: 80 > Estimated birth year: abt 1830 > Birthplace: Holland > Relation to Head of House: Boarder > Father's Birth Place: Holland > Mother's Birth Place: Holland > Home in 1910: Grand Rapids Ward 4, Kent, Michigan > Marital Status: Widowed > Race: White > Gender: Male > Year of Immigration: 1880 > Neighbors: View others on page > Household Members: Name Age > Caroline A Krains 45 > Mrs. Pley Vander 78 > Margaret Vander 72 > Johanna Deboer 27 > Christina Krnigman 72 > Hendrika Bolt 22 > Jennie Kroninger 37 > Smie Ryler 25 > William Vanhory 73 > Maria Janes 81 > Hendricka Braam 77 > Freintje Vadam 82 > Libbettje Dyhatra 85 > Marinus Vanderwieve 80 > Marenus J Bakler 55 > Crn Vanderborge 83 > Berteldina Vanderborge 72 > Hermann Bowman 81 > Bantian Schmitman 74 > Gertrude Schmitman 65 > Marinus Hoogerhyde 74 > Mathier Vandorilens 78 > Johnannie Calanbrander 77 > William Blom 68 > Arie Byl 86 > Frank Oberbeck 85 > Peter Prister 67 > Durk Inarree 77 > William Vanwesternbingge 77 > Kellie Vanderwal 84 > > > View > Original > Record > > View original image > View blank form > > Save This Record > Attach this record to a person in your tree as a source record, or save > for > later evaluation. > Save > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Esther van > Rems-Dijkstra > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 5:36 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MI-GENEALOGY] In search of my anchestors who moved to the States > > Hello, > > Excuse my poor english. > > I am looking for information on my anchestor Marinus Jacobus van der > Wiere, > he was born in 1800 in Middelburg (province of Zeeland) in The > Netherlands. > As widower and father of 9 he moved in 1873 to the States (yes he was 73 > yrs > young at that time). Two of his sons had already emigrated at that time, > as > well as one of his daughters. His daughter Martina stayed in The > Netherlands > and married Johannes Welvaars, the greatgrandfather of my grandfather. > > I would like to find out what happened to Marinus and his 3 kids in the > USA. > Where can I find out any info online (without paying a lot of money since > these are the only anchestor to the States)? One of his sons went to Grand > Rapids, there are still Vanderwiere people listed in Michigan. I think > they > all went there and stayed together, can someone lend me a hand? > > I am always prepared to lend a hand in the Netherlands for searching stuff > here. > > This is what I know: > Identity card of Marinus Jacobus van der Wiere*Marinus Jacobus van der > Wiere > * was born on Thursday April the 17.th 1800 in Middelburg, son of Cornelis > van der Wiere and Cornelia Koonen. He was baptized on Wednesday April the > 23.rd 1800 in Middelburg. > *Occupations:* > from 1822 Wever from 1840 Weversbaas from 1857 opzigter > der > calicotsfabrijk/katoenfabriek, Cahootfabrijk (Camhoot??) (calico(t) > > Goedkope (katoenen) stof die eruitziet als linnen en gebruikt wordt als > boekband-overtrek. De naam is ontleend aan de oorspronkelijke plaats van > herkomst: Calicut, in zuid-west India.) [source: huwelijksakte zoon > Marinus]*lijst landverhuizers:* > from 1873 Vanderwiere, ??? > Occupation: Zonder - without occupation > Sex: Male > Age: 73 > Religion: Ned Hervormd, Hervormd--dutch Reformed > Social Class: Indigent > Assessed for Taxes: No > Tax Assessment Classification: Unknown > Women in Household: Unknown > Children in Household: Unknown > Servants in Household: Unknown > Reason for Emmigration: Economic Improvement > Destination: U.s.a. > Year: 1873 > Province: Zeeland > Municipality: Renesse > Marinus : > (1) married, at the age of 22 years, on Thursday May the 2.nd 1822 in > Middelburg [source: zeeuws archief akte 38] *Elizabeth Johanna de Visser*, > aged 22 years. Elizabeth was born in 1800 in Vlissingen, daughter of > Hendrik > de Visser and Johanna Maas. Elizabeth died on Friday April the 1.st 1836 > on > Middelburg, at the age of 36 years. > (2) married, at the age of 40 years, on Friday October the 30.th 1840 in > Middelburg *Aagje Valkhoff*, aged 44 years. Aagje was born on Sunday June > the 12.th 1796 in Hardingsveld, daughter of Engelbertus Valkhoff and Maria > Wisboom. Aagje died on Friday May the 26.th 1871 on Westkapelle, at the > age > of 74 years [source: akte 4]. > > Children of Marinus and Elizabeth : > > *1 Cornelia van der Wiere*, daughter, stillborn on Wednesday March the > 5.th1823 in Middelburg. > *2 Cornelis Adriaan van der Wiere*, born on Saturday January the 31.st1824 > in Middelburg. > *Occupation:* > Timmerman carpenter > *emigratie:* > from 1873 Cornelis Adriaan van der Wiere > Emigrant in 1873 > Leeftijd (age) : 49 > Beroep (occupation) : timmerman (carpenter) > Kerkgenootschap (religion) : Nederlands-hervormd (Dutch Reformed) > Jaar vertrek (year of departure) : 1873 > Plaats van vertrek (place of departure) : Renesse > Vetrekt met zijn (departes with his) vrouw (wife) > Aantal kinderen (number of children) : 1 > Reden van vertrek (reason of departure) : Verbetering van bestaan > (Amelioration of existence) > Bestemming (destination) : Verenigde Staten van Noord-Amerika > Bron (source) : Staten van landverhuizingen (archief Provinciaal Bestuur > Zeeland) > In: Genealogische Afschriften 810/3, pagina (page) 163 > Bron: > Emigranten 1839-1900 > Archief: > Emigranten Noord- en Zuid-Amerika en Zuid-Afrika inventarisnummer > [toegevoegd 3 april 2006] > Uit de Staten van Landverhuizers en Bevolkingsregisters *lijst > landverhuizers:* > from 1873 Vanderwiere, Cornelis Adriaan > Occupation: Timmerman - carpenter > Sex: Male > Age: 49 > Religion: Ned Hervormd, Hervormd--dutch Reformed > Social Class: Less well to do > Assessed for Taxes: Yes > Tax Assessment Classification: 35 > Women in Household: 1 > Children in Household: 1 > Servants in Household: Unknown > Reason for Emmigration: Economic Improvement > Destination: U.s.a. > Year: 1873 > Province: Zeeland > Municipality: Renesse > Cornelis married, at the age of 23 years, on Friday April the 23.rd 1847 > in > Dreischor [source: akte 2] *Klara de Jonge*, aged 22 years. Klara was born > in 1825 in Dreischor. > *3 Antonius Pieter van der Wiere*, born on Saturday December the 24.th1825 > in Middelburg. Antonius died on Tuesday January the 13.th 1829 on > Middelburg, > at the age of 3 years. Antonius remained unmarried. > *4 Elizabeth Johanna van der Wiere*, born on Sunday August the 19.th 1827 > in > Middelburg. Elizabeth died on Wednesday May the 11.th 1904 on Westkapelle, > at the age of 76 years [source: akte 18]. Elizabeth married, at the age of > 32 years, on Friday September the 2.nd 1859 in Westkapelle [source: akte > 13] > *Jan Peene*, aged 24 years. Jan was born in 1835 in Westkapelle. > *5 Cornelia Lucretia van der Wiere*, born in 1829 in Middelburg. Cornelia > died on Thursday February the 6.th 1919 on Westkapelle, at the age of 90 > years [source: akte 5]. Cornelia married, at the age of 28 years, on > Friday > November the 13.th 1857 in Westkapelle [source: akte 19] *Daniel > Lievense*, > aged 26 years. Daniel was born in 1831 in Westkapelle. Daniel died on > Friday > March the 25.th 1881 on Westkapelle, at the age of 50 years [source: akte > 10]. > *6 Marinus Jacobus van der Wiere*, born on Wednesday March the 10.th 1830 > in > Middelburg. Marinus died [source: akte 13]. > *emigratie amerika:* > from 1880 Marinus Jacobus van der Wiere > Emigrant in 1880 > Marinus Jacobus van der Wiere > Leeftijd (age) : 50 > Beroep (occupation) : arbeider (labourer) > Kerkgenootschap (religion) : Nederlands-hervormd (Dutch Reformed) > Jaar vertrek (year of departure) : 1880 > Plaats van vertrek (place of departure) : Westkapelle > Aantal kinderen (number of children) : 1 > Reden van vertrek (reason of departure) : Verbetering van bestaan (volgt > familie betrekkingen) > Bestemming (destination) : Verenigde Staten van Noord-Amerika > Bron (source) : Staten van landverhuizingen (archief Provinciaal Bestuur > Zeeland) > In: Genealogische Afschriften 810/3, pagina (page) 6 > Bron: > Emigranten 1839-1900 > Archief: > Emigranten Noord- en Zuid-Amerika en Zuid-Afrika inventarisnummer > [toegevoegd 3 april 2006] > Uit de Staten van Landverhuizers en Bevolkingsregisters *lijst > landverhuizers:* > from 1880 Vanderwiere, Marinus Jacobus > Occupation: Arbeider - workman > Sex: Male > Age: 50 > Religion: Ned Hervormd, Hervormd--dutch Reformed > Social Class: Less well to do > Assessed for Taxes: No > Tax Assessment Classification: Unknown > Women in Household: Unknown > Children in Household: 1 > Servants in Household: Unknown > Reason for Emmigration: To Join Family And For Economic Improvement > Destination: North America > Year: 1880 > Province: Zeeland > Municipality: West Kapelle > Marinus : > (1) married, at the age of 27 years, on Friday December the 11.th 1857 in > Westkapelle [source: akte 20] *Elizabeth Stroo*, aged 26 years. Elizabeth > was born on Tuesday August the 9.th 1831 in Westkapelle [source: akte 35], > daughter of Willem Stroo and Adriana Hengst. Elizabeth died on Sunday July > the 22.nd 1866 on Westkapelle, at the age of 34 years. > (2) married, at the age of 38 years, on Friday September the 11.th 1868 in > Westkapelle [source: akte 5] *Suzanna Stroo*, aged 34 years. Suzanna was > born on Friday December the 6.th 1833 in Westkapelle, daughter of Willem > Stroo and Adriana Hengst. Suzanna died on Thursday March the 25.th 1869 on > Westkapelle, at the age of 35 years. > *7 Hendrik Willem van der Wiere*, born on Thursday September the 29.th1831 > in Middelburg. > *grand Rapids Michigan:* > Vanderwiere, Hendrik > Sex: Male > Year of Birth: 1831 > Birthplace: Netherlands, Holland > Father´s Birthplace: Netherlands, Holland > Mother´s Birthplace: Netherlands, Holland > Spouse´s Birthplace: Netherlands, Holland > In 1850-1880 Census: No > In 1900 Census: Yes > Household Head 1850-1880: Unknown > Household Head 1900: Yes > Maritial Status 1850-1880: Unknown > Maritial Status 1900: Married, Spouse Same Nationality > Occupation of Household Head 1850-1880: Unknown > Occupation of Household Head 1900: Carpenter > Province in Netherlands: 10 > Municipality: Unknown > Year of Emmigration: 82 > Destination: Unknown > Reason for Emigration: Unknown > Religion: Unknown *lijst landverhuizers:* > from 1882 Vanderwiere, Hendrik Willem > Year: 1882 > Municipality: Middelburg > Age: 50 > Religion: Nederland hervormde (Netherlands reformed) > Occupation: Timmerman > Social Class: Mingegoeden - Less well to do > Head Tax: Assessed > Head Tax Rate: 1 > Women in Household: 1 > Children in Household: 3 > Servants in Household: 0 > Reason for Emmigrating: Economic improvement > Destination: USA *passagierslijst USA:* > from 15-05-1882 Vanderwiere H > Family Status: Head of household > Age: 50 > Sex: Male > Occupation: Joiner > Status: Permanant sojourn > Ship Accommodations: Steerage > Port of Embarkation: Amsterdam > Vessel: Amsterdam > Destination: USA > Date of Arrival: 5/15/1882 > City of Birth: Holland > Microfilm Roll: 451 > Ship Manifest Number: 615 > Hendrik : > (1) married, at the age of 21 years, on Wednesday March the 9.th 1853 in > Sint Laurens [source: akte 2] *Elisabeth Heeres*, aged 39 years. Elisabeth > was born in 1814 in Vlissingen. Elisabeth died on Thursday June the > 3.rd1869 > on > Middelburg, at the age of 55 years [source: akte 204]. > (2) married, at the age of 42 years, on Wednesday July the 29.th 1874 in > Middelburg [source: akte 86] *Wilhelmina Antonetta Weijnman*, aged 31 > years. > Wilhelmina was born in 1843. > *passagierslijst USA:* > from 15-05-1882 Vanderwiere Wilhelmina > Family Status: Wife > Age: 39 > Sex: Female > Occupation: Unknown > Status: Permanant sojourn > Ship Accommodations: Steerage > Port of Embarkation: Amsterdam > Vessel: Amsterdam > Destination: USA > Date of Arrival: 5/15/1882 > City of Birth: Holland > Microfilm Roll: 451 > Ship Manifest Number: 615 > *8 Martina Antoinette Hendrika van der Wiere*, born on Monday January the > 14.th 1833 in Middelburg. Martina married, at the age of 26 years, on > Wednesday November the 23.rd 1859 in Leiden [source: gezinskaart > leiden] *Johannes > Welvaars*, aged 34 years. Johannes was born on Sunday September the > 11.th1825 in Leiden [source: akte geboorte], son of Nn > and Maria Apollonia Welvaars. The birth was registered on Monday September > the 12.th 1825 [source: akte geboorte]. Johannes died on Wednesday June > the > 25.th 1873 on Leiden, at the age of 47 years [source: overlijdensakte]. > *Occupation:* > kledermaker > *9 Sara Johanna van der Wiere*, born on Wednesday March the 26.th 1834 in > Middelburg. Sara died on Tuesday August the 5.th 1834 on Middelburg, at > the > age of 4 months. > > Generated using Aldfaer version 3.5.3 on 10-11-2007 12:33 by Esther van > Rems-Dijkstra > > > > All the best > Esther > > > -- > Get Firefox! > ***************************** > The theme of this list is Michigan genealogy and research. 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