Seems to me the good out-weighs the bad here. I think that we all know to take everything with a grain of salt, but if Cynthia wasn't posting, I for one, wouldn't even have this much to go on. I live in the south and find it difficult to research New England ancestors and without someone taking the time to post info like this, I would have many less leads. So, a public THANK YOU, Cynthia! Leslie in NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Chadbourne" <tedchad@maine.rr.com> To: <MEYORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [MEYORK] List of Freemen,1630-1691 < ERRORS > 1652 KITTERY..see Stackpole p.143 | This is a caution about errors in some recent posts to MEYORK-L. | | To readers of the York County, Maine genealogical interest group: | When Goodlady Cynthia ("as Bunnydust") started her "Freemen" | posts, including Kittery, below, (which she'd also sent Jan. 23 to | this MEYORK-List), I wrote her privately that a CAUTION should | be given that MAJOR ERRORS IN TRANSCRIPTION were made | somewhere along the line, which should not be knowingly | repeated or compounded. (Her reply included that her source had | been cited: an 1849 "List of Freemen of Mass.." by Lucius Paige.) | We should commend Cynthia and others for citing any source! | | It's unfortunate that people and publishers have incentive to | repeat material for which the copyright has expired, often | inferior to the high standard of research and source citation | by several researchers in the last eight to ten decades. | | I also shared with Cynthia some historic background of this act | by just SOME of the freemen of Kittery, MAINE (a majority in this | then-debated matter) to be governed by Mass., and reasons for | their favorable response to the document. (Maine had NOT been | governed by any political or religious body in Mass. prior to that | Colony's acceptance of what they initiated. One must NOT RELY | on completeness, sequence, and certainly not on the spelling of | the names below. You may have thought that could not now | be determined, reading "record of their oath does not appear." | But this document always has, owned by the State of Mass.* | | * It was moved, I believe, from the MA State House to the new | Mass. Archives at Columbia Point (a few miles south of Boston, | on the Ocean between the J.F.Kennedy Memorial and one campus | of the University of Massachusetts. (I've found many interesting | documents of Maine history at each Archive location, in turn.) | | *"Old Kittery and Her Families" by Everett S. Stackpole, 1903, | while far from the best source available today, is a book some | of you have (also in many genealogical libraries, for the rest). | PAGE 143 of what's often called "Stackpole" on this List, | has a decent image of the document in question. It is the | "Kittery Act of Submission", rather than a list of ALL freemen | of the Town (now Kittery, Eliot, South Berwick, Berwick and | North Berwick.) You will notice that at least a dozen of the | signatories made their MARK, beside which another penman | wrote their names in script. The first signature is simply W.C. | followed by William (Chatburne?) in script. The latter is on | the cover of our 1994 book and the enhanced CFA CD-2000 | edition of "The Chadbourne Family in America: A Genealogy" | which is unsurpassed for early descendants of THOMAS | SPENCER and of DANIEL GOODWIN, both also immigrants | who married Patience 2 Chadbourne + Margaret 2 Spencer. | e.g. http://www.chadbourne.org Generation 4, or CD-2000 | with its 26,000 name index. | | LAND TITLE vs.Mason heirs was at stake. If you wish, Cynthia, | you may post to this List what I sent you or ask me to edit it. | I'm not happy to disagree publicly, but since twelve days | have passed with no correction by the submitter, and now | it's been re-posted, I think researchers deserve this caution. | | (I don't normally favor full quotebacks in e-mail or to List | but one may be appropriate in this case.) Some of you may | enjoy guessing which man is meant by each spelling below! ? | | Some may also enjoy guessing who didn't sign, and why. ? | (Probably not because Massiacs block Maineacs' left lanes.) | ~ Ted Chadbourne | ----- Original Message ----- | From: <bunnydust@attbi.com> | To: <MEYORK-L@rootsweb.com> | Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 3:58 PM | Subject: [MEYORK] List of Freemen,1630-1691..............1652.....KITTERY,MASS. [NOW MAINE] | | > List of Freemen of Massachusetts, 1630-1691 by Lucius R.Paige,1849 | > ------------ | Cynthia> From this point on,the freemen list will state | C"> the towns where the men were from !! | C"> Remember, what consisted of Mass Bay Colony then | C"> was [[parts of ~TC]] what is now Maine, NH., and Mass. | > ------------- | Paige?> 16 Nov.1652: appeared before the Commissioners at | > KITTERY [now Maine] ,and submitted to the Government | > of Massachusetts; the record of their oath does not appear. | > [Colonial Records , Vol.VI,page 116] | > | > Withers,Tho. Wincoll, Jn. Chadborn,Wm | > Gunison, Hugh Spencer,Thom. Durston,Tho. | > Mendam,Rob't Rise,Thomas Emery,James | > Remeth,Christian [**] ffrost,Niccolas Weimouth,Rob't | > Chadorne,Humphrey Cunley,Abraham Nason,Richard | > Bayley,Mary Paule, Daniel Diamont, Jno | > Leader,George Symons, Jn Greene,Jn. | > Mattoone,Hugbert Wilson,Gowen Palmer,Wm | > Shrires,Jerre Hoord,JN Spinney,Tho. | > Lord,Nath. Mile, Joseph Mavericke,Antipas | > Shapleigh,Niccolas Emery,Antho. Jenkins,Regnald[sic] | > White,Jn Jones, Tho. Douning,Dennis | > Andrewes,Jn. Davies,Daniell Babb, Phillip | > Everett,Wm. ------------- -------------- | > ------------- transcribed by: > Cynthia.. > Bunnydust@attbi.com... | | ** "ffrost" is accurate. Double "ff" meant "F". (Little known: there | were two contemporary Nicholas Frost's in Old Kittery.) ~ Ted | | NOTE: If replying to this message, please delete at least parts of | a full quoteback you may see (coming from your setup options). | Thanks! ~ Ted Chadbourne | | | ============================== | To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 | |