Ted: That posting was re-posted in error as it was already posted as you said Jan 23. The posting was still in my draft file and without checking the dates,I just had it sent (as I have few made up in advance) -- That's correct Massachusetts never "owned Maine"....I never said it did....It was under the JURISDICTION of Massachusetts which I believe means under the courts of the time....which was located in Boston -- I am only sending out information that is in the books... I have no control of what is printed in the books...correct or otherwise. Just like any source of information you come across doing family research, you need to check out the information REGARDLESS where it's from....and that is up to each individual to do so....as I cannot make changes to what is in the book and have no intention of doing so. EVERy spelling for names, towns,etc.. remain as shown...no corrections UNLESS I have direct knowledge of a particular name that I have already done research on,especially family names. --- As for Stackpole's "Old Kittery and her families"....unfortuately not many of us can afford that book.....and not all libraries have it. That book probably has errors too. --- I understand that the Massachusetts State Archives has the information in regards to early "oaths of allegiances" and also the "Oaths of Submission". --- "12 days have passed with no correction..." as I said previously, I didnt intend to post it. Also, I work full time and dont have time to do a lot of checking for each posting when it comes from the books I have....as I will not change any informtion that I do not have any direct knowledge of..... ---- Interesting...you mentioned ...... > (Probably not because Massiacs block Maineacs' left lanes.)<< my husband is what you call a "Maineac"....born and raised in Maine.... ----- >> (I don't normally favor full quotebacks in e-mail or to List > but one may be appropriate in this case<< yeah right I just wished you had contacted me prior to sending this out on the list as I would have sent a "correction notice" to the list myself when I was made aware that it was the same posting. ---- Cynthia Bunnydust@attbi.com > This is a caution about errors in some recent posts to MEYORK-L. > > To readers of the York County, Maine genealogical interest group: > When Goodlady Cynthia ("as Bunnydust") started her "Freemen" > posts, including Kittery, below, (which she'd also sent Jan. 23 to > this MEYORK-List), I wrote her privately that a CAUTION should > be given that MAJOR ERRORS IN TRANSCRIPTION were made > somewhere along the line, which should not be knowingly > repeated or compounded. (Her reply included that her source had > been cited: an 1849 "List of Freemen of Mass.." by Lucius Paige.) > We should commend Cynthia and others for citing any source! > > It's unfortunate that people and publishers have incentive to > repeat material for which the copyright has expired, often > inferior to the high standard of research and source citation > by several researchers in the last eight to ten decades. > > I also shared with Cynthia some historic background of this act > by just SOME of the freemen of Kittery, MAINE (a majority in this > then-debated matter) to be governed by Mass., and reasons for > their favorable response to the document. (Maine had NOT been > governed by any political or religious body in Mass. prior to that > Colony's acceptance of what they initiated. One must NOT RELY > on completeness, sequence, and certainly not on the spelling of > the names below. You may have thought that could not now > be determined, reading "record of their oath does not appear." > But this document always has, owned by the State of Mass.* > > * It was moved, I believe, from the MA State House to the new > Mass. Archives at Columbia Point (a few miles south of Boston, > on the Ocean between the J.F.Kennedy Memorial and one campus > of the University of Massachusetts. (I've found many interesting > documents of Maine history at each Archive location, in turn.) > > *"Old Kittery and Her Families" by Everett S. Stackpole, 1903, > while far from the best source available today, is a book some > of you have (also in many genealogical libraries, for the rest). > PAGE 143 of what's often called "Stackpole" on this List, > has a decent image of the document in question. It is the > "Kittery Act of Submission", rather than a list of ALL freemen > of the Town (now Kittery, Eliot, South Berwick, Berwick and > North Berwick.) You will notice that at least a dozen of the > signatories made their MARK, beside which another penman > wrote their names in script. The first signature is simply W.C. > followed by William (Chatburne?) in script. The latter is on > the cover of our 1994 book and the enhanced CFA CD-2000 > edition of "The Chadbourne Family in America: A Genealogy" > which is unsurpassed for early descendants of THOMAS > SPENCER and of DANIEL GOODWIN, both also immigrants > who married Patience 2 Chadbourne + Margaret 2 Spencer. > e.g. http://www.chadbourne.org Generation 4, or CD-2000 > with its 26,000 name index. > > LAND TITLE vs.Mason heirs was at stake. If you wish, Cynthia, > you may post to this List what I sent you or ask me to edit it. > I'm not happy to disagree publicly, but since twelve days > have passed with no correction by the submitter, and now > it's been re-posted, I think researchers deserve this caution. > > (I don't normally favor full quotebacks in e-mail or to List > but one may be appropriate in this case.) Some of you may > enjoy guessing which man is meant by each spelling below! ? > > Some may also enjoy guessing who didn't sign, and why. ? > (Probably not because Massiacs block Maineacs' left lanes.) > ~ Ted Chadbourne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <bunnydust@attbi.com> > To: <MEYORK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 3:58 PM > Subject: [MEYORK] List of Freemen,1630-1691..............1652.....KITTERY,MASS. > [NOW MAINE] > > > List of Freemen of Massachusetts, 1630-1691 by Lucius R.Paige,1849 > > ------------ > Cynthia> From this point on,the freemen list will state > C"> the towns where the men were from !! > C"> Remember, what consisted of Mass Bay Colony then > C"> was [[parts of ~TC]] what is now Maine, NH., and Mass. > > ------------- > Paige?> 16 Nov.1652: appeared before the Commissioners at > > KITTERY [now Maine] ,and submitted to the Government > > of Massachusetts; the record of their oath does not appear. > > [Colonial Records , Vol.VI,page 116] > > > > Withers,Tho. Wincoll, Jn. Chadborn,Wm > > Gunison, Hugh Spencer,Thom. Durston,Tho. > > Mendam,Rob't Rise,Thomas Emery,James > > Remeth,Christian [**] ffrost,Niccolas Weimouth,Rob't > > Chadorne,Humphrey Cunley,Abraham Nason,Richard > > Bayley,Mary Paule, Daniel Diamont, Jno > > Leader,George Symons, Jn Greene,Jn. > > Mattoone,Hugbert Wilson,Gowen Palmer,Wm > > Shrires,Jerre Hoord,JN Spinney,Tho. > > Lord,Nath. Mile, Joseph Mavericke,Antipas > > Shapleigh,Niccolas Emery,Antho. Jenkins,Regnald[sic] > > White,Jn Jones, Tho. Douning,Dennis > > Andrewes,Jn. Davies,Daniell Babb, Phillip > > Everett,Wm. ------------- -------------- > > ------------- transcribed by: > Cynthia.. > Bunnydust@attbi.com... > > ** "ffrost" is accurate. Double "ff" meant "F". (Little known: there > were two contemporary Nicholas Frost's in Old Kittery.) ~ Ted > > NOTE: If replying to this message, please delete at least parts of > a full quoteback you may see (coming from your setup options). > Thanks! ~ Ted Chadbourne > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >