Hello All, If I could jump in here, some of Col. Banks's notes on certain families are at the York Historical Society by the Old Gaol Museum in York, and other papers are at the Bangor Public Library. (I have not used the ones in Bangor, but have used the others.) Moreover, I was told some years ago by a man who was definitely in a position to know that the unpublished manuscript of Volume 3 of the History of York was in private hands in York or someplace very close to York and the person who had it was not about to turn it over or allow his name to be repeated. I hope that whoever it is has made arrangements for it to either be published or be eventually turned over to an appropriate facility. My informant would not tell me who the person is because he did not want to go back on his word to the person who has the manuscript. Unfortunately, my informant died some years ago. We need to get our genealogical bloodhounds on the trail of this before it is too late. George Sanborn Dana Edgecomb wrote: > The papers that were left in Col. Banks office are at the Library > of Congress. The LDS has filmed them, and you can rent > them from a Family History Center. I have looked at some > of them, there are many reels. > Dana Edgecomb > > At 06:55 PM 1/6/03 +0000, you wrote: > > Bruce is correct, there was a Vol.3 planned for the genealogy of > >families of York county......I dont know if the papers still > >exist for that volume. If anyone on the lists of Ma-Bay or MeYork > >has info they are willing to share. > > > > >> My understanding is that Banks wrote two volumes of this history > > before he > >died. He supposedly had notes for Volume 3, but died before he completed the > >book. > > > Maybe SKS can confirm/refute my understanding of the situation. > > > Bruce Bardes > > > Cincinnati > >-- > >Administrator for Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com > >Bunnydust@attbi.com > >MBC archiver (postings) > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com and > >put Ma-Bay-Colony in the box > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > CAME,Arthur: under the spelling of Cham, this emigrant was granted > > land at > > > > Exeter,NH,1664; and 1669 he had a house at York; it's believed he > > came to > > > > New England with John FROST. His wife was Violet(___?)she was still > > living > > > in > > > > 1720; Arthur and Violet had 6 children,all lived to marry. [genealogy in > > > Volume 3 which I dont have] > > > > -------------------------------------> > > > > > transcribed by: > > > > Cynthia > > > > Administrator for Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Bunnydust@attbi.com > > > > MBC archiver (postings) > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com and > > > > put Ma-Bay-Colony in the box > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go > > > to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Thanks Dana for the information on History of York by Banks Vol.3.... Cynthia > The papers that were left in Col. Banks office are at the Library > of Congress. The LDS has filmed them, and you can rent > them from a Family History Center. I have looked at some > of them, there are many reels. > Dana Edgecomb > > > At 06:55 PM 1/6/03 +0000, you wrote: > > Bruce is correct, there was a Vol.3 planned for the genealogy of > >families of York county......I dont know if the papers still > >exist for that volume. If anyone on the lists of Ma-Bay or MeYork > >has info they are willing to share. > > > > >> My understanding is that Banks wrote two volumes of this history > > before he > >died. He supposedly had notes for Volume 3, but died before he completed the > >book. > > > Maybe SKS can confirm/refute my understanding of the situation. > > > Bruce Bardes > > > Cincinnati > >-- > >Administrator for Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com > >Bunnydust@attbi.com > >MBC archiver (postings) > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com and > >put Ma-Bay-Colony in the box > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > CAME,Arthur: under the spelling of Cham, this emigrant was granted > > land at > > > > Exeter,NH,1664; and 1669 he had a house at York; it's believed he > > came to > > > > New England with John FROST. His wife was Violet(___?)she was still > > living > > > in > > > > 1720; Arthur and Violet had 6 children,all lived to marry. [genealogy in > > > Volume 3 which I dont have] > > > > -------------------------------------> > > > > > transcribed by: > > > > Cynthia > > > > Administrator for Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Bunnydust@attbi.com > > > > MBC archiver (postings) > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com and > > > > put Ma-Bay-Colony in the box > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go > > > to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Shared from another list: I know many of us have seen this before, but it is good to read every once in a while ! ! ! Enjoy ! FOR ALL OF US WHO ARE DOING GENEALOGY....... =================================================== There's been a change in Grandma, we've noticed of her late. She's always reading history or jotting down some date. She's tracking back her family, you'll all have pedigrees. Oh, Grandma's got a hobby - She's climbing FAMILY TREES. Poor Grandpa does the cooking, and now, or so he states, That worst of all, he has to wash the cups and dinner plates. Grandma can't be bothered, she's busy as a bee, Compiling genealogy for the FAMILY TREE. She has no time to baby sit, the curtains are a fright, No buttons left on Grandpa's shirt, the flower bed's a sight. She's given up her club work and the soaps on TV, The only thing she does nowadays is climb the FAMILY TREE. She goes down to the courthouse and studies ancient lore, We know more about our forebears than we ever knew before, The books are old and dusty, that makes poor Grandma sneeze, A minor irritation when you're climbing the FAMILY TREE. The mail is all for Grandma, it comes from near and far, Last week she got the proof she needs to join the D.A.R. A monumental project all do agree, All from climbing up the FAMILY TREE. Now some folks came from Scotland, some from Galway Bay, Some were French as pastry, some German all the way. Some went west to stake their claims, some stayed there by the sea. Grandma hopes to find them all, as she climbs the FAMILY TREE. She wanders through the graveyard in search of date and name, The rich, the poor, the in-between, all sleeping there the same. She pauses now and then to rest, fanned by a gentle breeze, That blows above the Father's of all our FAMILY TREES. There are pioneers and patriots, mixed in our kith and kin, Who blazed the paths of wilderness and fought through thick and thin. But none more staunch than Grandma, whose eyes light up with glee, Each time she finds a missing branch for the FAMILY TREE. Their skills were wide and varied, from carpenter to cook, And one, alas the records show was hopelessly a crook. Blacksmith, weaver, farmer, judge-some tutored for a fee. Once lost in time, now all recorded on the FAMILY TREE. To some it's just a hobby, to Grandma it's much more, She learns the joys and heartaches of those that went before. They loved, they lost, they laughed, they wept-and now, for you and me, They live again in spirit, around the FAMILY TREE. At last she's nearly finished and we are each exposed, Life will be the same again, this we all supposed. Grandma will cook and sew, serve cookies with our tea. We"ll all be fat, just as before the wretched FAMILY TREE. Sad to relate, the preacher called and visited for a spell. We talked about the Gospel, and other things as well. The heathen folk, the poor and then - twas fate, it had to be, Somehow the conversations turned to Grandma and the FAMILY TREE He never knew his Grandpa, his mother's name was ..Clark? He and Grandma talked and talked, while outside it grew dark. We'd hoped our fears were groundless, but just like some disease, Grandma's become an addict - she's hooked on FAMILY TREES. Our souls are filled with sorrow, our hearts sad with dismay, Our ears could scarce believe the words we heard our Grandma say, "It sure is a lucky thing that you have come to me, I know exactly how it's done, I'll climb your FAMILY TREE". Author Unknown

Hi Judie... Go to www.familysearch.org and look under the Library holdings. Priscilla

HOw would you get the film number for this? JUDIE ----- Original Message ----- From: Dana Edgecomb <nighthawk@psouth.net> To: <MEYORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [MEYORK] History of York.........Vol. 3 > The papers that were left in Col. Banks office are at the Library > of Congress. The LDS has filmed them, and you can rent > them from a Family History Center. I have looked at some > of them, there are many reels. > Dana Edgecomb > > > At 06:55 PM 1/6/03 +0000, you wrote: > > Bruce is correct, there was a Vol.3 planned for the genealogy of > >families of York county......I dont know if the papers still > >exist for that volume. If anyone on the lists of Ma-Bay or MeYork > >has info they are willing to share. > > > > >> My understanding is that Banks wrote two volumes of this history > > before he > >died. He supposedly had notes for Volume 3, but died before he completed the > >book. > > > Maybe SKS can confirm/refute my understanding of the situation. > > > Bruce Bardes > > > Cincinnati > >-- > >Administrator for Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com > >Bunnydust@attbi.com > >MBC archiver (postings) > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com and > >put Ma-Bay-Colony in the box > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > CAME,Arthur: under the spelling of Cham, this emigrant was granted > > land at > > > > Exeter,NH,1664; and 1669 he had a house at York; it's believed he > > came to > > > > New England with John FROST. His wife was Violet(___?)she was still > > living > > > in > > > > 1720; Arthur and Violet had 6 children,all lived to marry. [genealogy in > > > Volume 3 which I dont have] > > > > -------------------------------------> > > > > > transcribed by: > > > > Cynthia > > > > Administrator for Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Bunnydust@attbi.com > > > > MBC archiver (postings) > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com and > > > > put Ma-Bay-Colony in the box > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go > > > to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

The papers that were left in Col. Banks office are at the Library of Congress. The LDS has filmed them, and you can rent them from a Family History Center. I have looked at some of them, there are many reels. Dana Edgecomb At 06:55 PM 1/6/03 +0000, you wrote: > Bruce is correct, there was a Vol.3 planned for the genealogy of >families of York county......I dont know if the papers still >exist for that volume. If anyone on the lists of Ma-Bay or MeYork >has info they are willing to share. > > >> My understanding is that Banks wrote two volumes of this history > before he >died. He supposedly had notes for Volume 3, but died before he completed the >book. > > Maybe SKS can confirm/refute my understanding of the situation. > > Bruce Bardes > > Cincinnati >-- >Administrator for Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com >Bunnydust@attbi.com >MBC archiver (postings) >http://archiver.rootsweb.com and >put Ma-Bay-Colony in the box > > > > --------------------------------- > > > CAME,Arthur: under the spelling of Cham, this emigrant was granted > land at > > > Exeter,NH,1664; and 1669 he had a house at York; it's believed he > came to > > > New England with John FROST. His wife was Violet(___?)she was still > living > > in > > > 1720; Arthur and Violet had 6 children,all lived to marry. [genealogy in > > Volume 3 which I dont have] > > > -------------------------------------> > > > > transcribed by: > > > Cynthia > > > Administrator for Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com > > > Bunnydust@attbi.com > > > MBC archiver (postings) > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com and > > > put Ma-Bay-Colony in the box > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go > > to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

True when consulting a timeline. Go back far enough and it is found that the first Walloons who settled the areas you mention were migrant Celts from Scotland and Wales. As for the rest of history, The Germanic tribes were everywhere in great numbers throughout France, England, and moving even into Italy after the fall of the Roman Empire. And, of course, as you point out, boundaries were always changing. Jerry LOUIS HORNUS wrote: >"Walloon" is the designation which was given to residents of the area of western Europe held by the Spanish Netherlands (Spanish Hapsburgs). The general area was a part of the old Holy Roman Empire, and a part of Europe that was being constantly divided up between Hapsburgs of Austria, Spain, the Dukes of Burgundy, Kings of France. The territory covered what is presently the Department of "Cote du Nord of France,(Lille-Cambrai); over to Trier and Aachen on Luxembourg/German border, up to the United Netherlands (Holland). At one time Lorraine was also included. We know it more familiarly as old "Flanders", (Ypres, Hainault, Artois, Namur). The territories were being continually divided up through various Treaties after skirmishes for ownership.. Today it would be identified more readily as the area known as the "Benelux", or the three countries of Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg. Walloons were for the most part of the Protestant faith, and many French Huguenots! ! >fled religious persecution in France by escaping to this area and the Dutch Netherlands, particularly Amsterdam and Leiden. The English separatists, many of whom became our "Pilgrims of 1620" also fled England circa 1609 to Amsterdam and Leiden where the greatest number lived until several decided to leave for America in order to be able to preserve their English customs and language before becoming entirely assimilated into the culture of the Netherlands. Thus came about the voyage of the "Mayflower" and the attempted voyage of the "Speedwell", the latter being proved unseaworthy, only the MAYFLOWER made the actual voyage across the ocean. So, the designation of being a "Walloon" signifies the area from which the person came from. Dorothy Hornus. > Gerard Breton <gbreton@conflict.net> wrote:The reason I mentioned that Belgium should be checked for >heritage of the subject "Walloon" is because I suspected it was a >historical name, such as mine, which is Breton. Breton means from >Bretagne in France and previously from Britain, since they were >migrating Celts from Scotland and Wales who settled Brittany in Fraance >at one point in history. >If "Walloon" is also a historical name, then it reflects back to >a Celt who migrated to a part of Belgium or a part of France that >borders it. Such a person migrating to a town where they were not >familiar with speech pattern or accent might be nicnamed "Walloon" as a >dit name which later would become permanent and replace another name. >If Cooper were dubbed a "Walloon", it might be that he was singled out >as mentioned above. Jerry > > >Ted Chadbourne wrote: > > > >>Gerald's observation (> below) about a "Walloon" apparently refers to >>a man called Philip COOPER in Charles Banks' list of York settlers, >>since >>that's the only place finds >>"Walloon". >>(I've not compared Cynthia's condensation to Bank's original books., >>nor had I earlier heard "Walloon"'s not a walrus in Circe du Soleil.) >> >>If new settlers in 1660-1700, they picked a very hard time to venture >>forth, due in part to Indian raids at least 1675-1692), though Mass. >>wanted (even ruled that) those folks stay there on the Maine coast >>as a buffer. The "second settlement"s account for an inconsistency >>of surnames observed earlier by a reader of this MEYORK-List. >> >>~Ted Chadbourne >>Chadbourne Family Association http://www.chadbourne.org >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Gerard Breton" >>To: >>Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 11:56 AM >>Subject: Re: [MEYORK] History of York........."new settlers >>1660-1700"...part 1 >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>If he was a Walloon, check Belgium for ancestry, rather than >>>France (or on the border). Jerry >>> >>>Bruce Bardes wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hello Cynthia -- >>>>Bunnydust@attbi.com wrote: (here condensed): >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>HISTORY OF YORK,MAINE; Charles Banks,1931 >>>>>------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>CANNEY,Thomas: transient resident, was of Piscataqua 1640 >>>>>and later of Dover. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>Note: That didn't require a move. Piscataqua refereed to >>both >>shores of the Piscataqua when the CANNEY's were first there. ~ >>Ted >> >>Note alsos that the name "DILL, Daniel" was later found among >>the >>earliest settlers of the Auburn-Lewiston area, on Androscoggin >>River. >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>---------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>---> COOPER, Philip: was called "the Walloon" whose right name is >>probably Philip >> >> >> >> >>>>>COUPARD; appeared in York 1673; wife was Anne INGALLS, son Philip >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>and dau >> >> >> >> >>>>>Mary, until the massacre of Candlemas Day,when he and his wife >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>perished, >> >> >> >> >>>>>Mary was taken to Quebec. the son,Philip, who was a seaman was >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>absent. >> >> >> >> >>>>>The dau Mary was baptized by a priest of Quebec as Marie Francoise >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>Coupard, >> >> >> >> >>>>>March 25,1693; she was redeemed by Matthew CAREY; nothing more is >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>known of Mary >> >> >> >> >>>>>but Philip was living in Boston 1699 and sold his York properties. >>>>>---------------------------------- >>>>>transcribed by: >>>>>Cynthia >>>>>Administrator for Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com >>>>>Bunnydust@attbi.com >>>>>MBC archiver (postings) >>>>>http://archiver.rootsweb.com and >>>>>put Ma-Bay-Colony in the box >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>============================== >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > >

Biddeford's town clk could give you that info. Do you want her address? Jerry Kay Stanton wrote: >Can someone please give me the name and address of the funeral homes in >Biddeford burying the Irish and English families in the late 1800's, early >1900's... > >The Irish would be Catholic, of course; The English, probably >Episcopalian... > >Thanks in advance. > >Kay Stanton >Daytona Beach, FL > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > >

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The reason I mentioned that Belgium should be checked for heritage of the subject "Walloon" is because I suspected it was a historical name, such as mine, which is Breton. Breton means from Bretagne in France and previously from Britain, since they were migrating Celts from Scotland and Wales who settled Brittany in Fraance at one point in history. If "Walloon" is also a historical name, then it reflects back to a Celt who migrated to a part of Belgium or a part of France that borders it. Such a person migrating to a town where they were not familiar with speech pattern or accent might be nicnamed "Walloon" as a dit name which later would become permanent and replace another name. If Cooper were dubbed a "Walloon", it might be that he was singled out as mentioned above. Jerry Ted Chadbourne wrote: >Gerald's observation (> below) about a "Walloon" apparently refers to >a man called Philip COOPER in Charles Banks' list of York settlers, >since >that's the only place <Edit, Find, text in this message> finds >"Walloon". > (I've not compared Cynthia's condensation to Bank's original books., > nor had I earlier heard "Walloon"'s not a walrus in Circe du Soleil.) > >If new settlers in 1660-1700, they picked a very hard time to venture >forth, due in part to Indian raids at least 1675-1692), though Mass. >wanted (even ruled that) those folks stay there on the Maine coast >as a buffer. The "second settlement"s account for an inconsistency >of surnames observed earlier by a reader of this MEYORK-List. > > ~Ted Chadbourne >Chadbourne Family Association http://www.chadbourne.org > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gerard Breton" <gbreton@conflict.net> >To: <MEYORK-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 11:56 AM >Subject: Re: [MEYORK] History of York........."new settlers >1660-1700"...part 1 > > > > >> If he was a Walloon, check Belgium for ancestry, rather than >>France (or on the border). Jerry >> >>Bruce Bardes wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hello Cynthia -- >>>Bunnydust@attbi.com wrote: (here condensed): >>> >>> >>> >>>>HISTORY OF YORK,MAINE; Charles Banks,1931 >>>>------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> > > > >>>>CANNEY,Thomas: transient resident, was of Piscataqua 1640 >>>>and later of Dover. >>>> >>>> > > Note: That didn't require a move. Piscataqua refereed to >both > shores of the Piscataqua when the CANNEY's were first there. ~ >Ted > > Note alsos that the name "DILL, Daniel" was later found among >the > earliest settlers of the Auburn-Lewiston area, on Androscoggin >River. > > > >>>>---------------------------------- >>>> >>>> > ---> COOPER, Philip: was called "the Walloon" whose right name is >probably Philip > > >>>>COUPARD; appeared in York 1673; wife was Anne INGALLS, son Philip >>>> >>>> >and dau > > >>>>Mary, until the massacre of Candlemas Day,when he and his wife >>>> >>>> >perished, > > >>>>Mary was taken to Quebec. the son,Philip, who was a seaman was >>>> >>>> >absent. > > >>>>The dau Mary was baptized by a priest of Quebec as Marie Francoise >>>> >>>> >Coupard, > > >>>>March 25,1693; she was redeemed by Matthew CAREY; nothing more is >>>> >>>> >known of Mary > > >>>>but Philip was living in Boston 1699 and sold his York properties. >>>>---------------------------------- >>>>transcribed by: >>>>Cynthia >>>>Administrator for Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com >>>>Bunnydust@attbi.com >>>>MBC archiver (postings) >>>>http://archiver.rootsweb.com and >>>>put Ma-Bay-Colony in the box >>>> >>>> > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > >

"Walloon" is the designation which was given to residents of the area of western Europe held by the Spanish Netherlands (Spanish Hapsburgs). The general area was a part of the old Holy Roman Empire, and a part of Europe that was being constantly divided up between Hapsburgs of Austria, Spain, the Dukes of Burgundy, Kings of France. The territory covered what is presently the Department of "Cote du Nord of France,(Lille-Cambrai); over to Trier and Aachen on Luxembourg/German border, up to the United Netherlands (Holland). At one time Lorraine was also included. We know it more familiarly as old "Flanders", (Ypres, Hainault, Artois, Namur). The territories were being continually divided up through various Treaties after skirmishes for ownership.. Today it would be identified more readily as the area known as the "Benelux", or the three countries of Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg. Walloons were for the most part of the Protestant faith, and many French Huguenots ! fled religious persecution in France by escaping to this area and the Dutch Netherlands, particularly Amsterdam and Leiden. The English separatists, many of whom became our "Pilgrims of 1620" also fled England circa 1609 to Amsterdam and Leiden where the greatest number lived until several decided to leave for America in order to be able to preserve their English customs and language before becoming entirely assimilated into the culture of the Netherlands. Thus came about the voyage of the "Mayflower" and the attempted voyage of the "Speedwell", the latter being proved unseaworthy, only the MAYFLOWER made the actual voyage across the ocean. So, the designation of being a "Walloon" signifies the area from which the person came from. Dorothy Hornus. Gerard Breton <gbreton@conflict.net> wrote:The reason I mentioned that Belgium should be checked for heritage of the subject "Walloon" is because I suspected it was a historical name, such as mine, which is Breton. Breton means from Bretagne in France and previously from Britain, since they were migrating Celts from Scotland and Wales who settled Brittany in Fraance at one point in history. If "Walloon" is also a historical name, then it reflects back to a Celt who migrated to a part of Belgium or a part of France that borders it. Such a person migrating to a town where they were not familiar with speech pattern or accent might be nicnamed "Walloon" as a dit name which later would become permanent and replace another name. If Cooper were dubbed a "Walloon", it might be that he was singled out as mentioned above. Jerry Ted Chadbourne wrote: >Gerald's observation (> below) about a "Walloon" apparently refers to >a man called Philip COOPER in Charles Banks' list of York settlers, >since >that's the only place finds >"Walloon". > (I've not compared Cynthia's condensation to Bank's original books., > nor had I earlier heard "Walloon"'s not a walrus in Circe du Soleil.) > >If new settlers in 1660-1700, they picked a very hard time to venture >forth, due in part to Indian raids at least 1675-1692), though Mass. >wanted (even ruled that) those folks stay there on the Maine coast >as a buffer. The "second settlement"s account for an inconsistency >of surnames observed earlier by a reader of this MEYORK-List. > > ~Ted Chadbourne >Chadbourne Family Association http://www.chadbourne.org > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gerard Breton" >To: >Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 11:56 AM >Subject: Re: [MEYORK] History of York........."new settlers >1660-1700"...part 1 > > > > >> If he was a Walloon, check Belgium for ancestry, rather than >>France (or on the border). Jerry >> >>Bruce Bardes wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hello Cynthia -- >>>Bunnydust@attbi.com wrote: (here condensed): >>> >>> >>> >>>>HISTORY OF YORK,MAINE; Charles Banks,1931 >>>>------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> > > > >>>>CANNEY,Thomas: transient resident, was of Piscataqua 1640 >>>>and later of Dover. >>>> >>>> > > Note: That didn't require a move. Piscataqua refereed to >both > shores of the Piscataqua when the CANNEY's were first there. ~ >Ted > > Note alsos that the name "DILL, Daniel" was later found among >the > earliest settlers of the Auburn-Lewiston area, on Androscoggin >River. > > > >>>>---------------------------------- >>>> >>>> > ---> COOPER, Philip: was called "the Walloon" whose right name is >probably Philip > > >>>>COUPARD; appeared in York 1673; wife was Anne INGALLS, son Philip >>>> >>>> >and dau > > >>>>Mary, until the massacre of Candlemas Day,when he and his wife >>>> >>>> >perished, > > >>>>Mary was taken to Quebec. the son,Philip, who was a seaman was >>>> >>>> >absent. > > >>>>The dau Mary was baptized by a priest of Quebec as Marie Francoise >>>> >>>> >Coupard, > > >>>>March 25,1693; she was redeemed by Matthew CAREY; nothing more is >>>> >>>> >known of Mary > > >>>>but Philip was living in Boston 1699 and sold his York properties. >>>>---------------------------------- >>>>transcribed by: >>>>Cynthia >>>>Administrator for Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com >>>>Bunnydust@attbi.com >>>>MBC archiver (postings) >>>>http://archiver.rootsweb.com and >>>>put Ma-Bay-Colony in the box >>>> >>>> > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Gerald's observation (> below) about a "Walloon" apparently refers to a man called Philip COOPER in Charles Banks' list of York settlers, since that's the only place <Edit, Find, text in this message> finds "Walloon". (I've not compared Cynthia's condensation to Bank's original books., nor had I earlier heard "Walloon"'s not a walrus in Circe du Soleil.) If new settlers in 1660-1700, they picked a very hard time to venture forth, due in part to Indian raids at least 1675-1692), though Mass. wanted (even ruled that) those folks stay there on the Maine coast as a buffer. The "second settlement"s account for an inconsistency of surnames observed earlier by a reader of this MEYORK-List. ~Ted Chadbourne Chadbourne Family Association http://www.chadbourne.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerard Breton" <gbreton@conflict.net> To: <MEYORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [MEYORK] History of York........."new settlers 1660-1700"...part 1 > If he was a Walloon, check Belgium for ancestry, rather than > France (or on the border). Jerry > > Bruce Bardes wrote: > > >Hello Cynthia -- > >Bunnydust@attbi.com wrote: (here condensed): > > > >>HISTORY OF YORK,MAINE; Charles Banks,1931 > >>------------------------------------- > >> CANNEY,Thomas: transient resident, was of Piscataqua 1640 > >> and later of Dover. Note: That didn't require a move. Piscataqua refereed to both shores of the Piscataqua when the CANNEY's were first there. ~ Ted Note alsos that the name "DILL, Daniel" was later found among the earliest settlers of the Auburn-Lewiston area, on Androscoggin River. > >>---------------------------------- ---> COOPER, Philip: was called "the Walloon" whose right name is probably Philip > >>COUPARD; appeared in York 1673; wife was Anne INGALLS, son Philip and dau > >>Mary, until the massacre of Candlemas Day,when he and his wife perished, > >>Mary was taken to Quebec. the son,Philip, who was a seaman was absent. > >> The dau Mary was baptized by a priest of Quebec as Marie Francoise Coupard, > >>March 25,1693; she was redeemed by Matthew CAREY; nothing more is known of Mary > >>but Philip was living in Boston 1699 and sold his York properties. > >>---------------------------------- > >>transcribed by: > >> Cynthia > >>Administrator for Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com > >>Bunnydust@attbi.com > >>MBC archiver (postings) > >>http://archiver.rootsweb.com and > >>put Ma-Bay-Colony in the box

Thanks to those who responded to my request for books to help me understand what it was like for my ancestors who were fishermen. Debby Link recommended "Cod," and then a couple of others promptly endorsed it. I'll start reading it tomorrow as I was fortunate that I was able to get it at my local library. What I neglected to include in my message is that some of my ancestors were deep sea fishermen but many of them were lobstermen. Any suggestions by anyone on something I could read about the life of LOBSTERMEN? Allen, no I didn't know about the fishing out of Saugus. I always knew there were boats in Swampscott and Marblehead but I thought they were just pleasure boats as those areas were (are?) pretty well off areas. As for an exciting book about deep sea fishing, do read the book I'm just finishing, "The Masts of Gloucester: Recollections of a Fisherman" by Raymond McFarland. It's very well written and has kept me reading non-stop. Of course I'm reading for the purpose of gaining an understanding of my ancestors so I would write about them in the family genealogy so that may make a difference. The book was recommended to me by a librarian at the Gloucester library and I was able to obtain it by inter-library loan. Hope I hear about more books, now especially about the small fisherman and lobsterman. Carol Dobson

Here's a link that will give details of the Candlemas Day massacre of York in 1692. http://www.seacoastonline.com/2001news/2_1maine2.htm Cynthia -- Administrator for Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com Bunnydust@attbi.com MBC archiver (postings) http://archiver.rootsweb.com and put Ma-Bay-Colony in the box > In a message dated 1/6/03 6:15:57 AM !!!First Boot!!!, Kat0952@aol.com > writes: > > > >Candlemas Day massacre; > > > > > >Please tell me what Candlemas Day is and then the particulars regarding > > the > > >Candlemas Day massacre. > > > Here you go, google to the rescue <VBG> > Eliz > Candlemas is a traditional Christian festival that commemorates the ritual > purification of Mary 40 days after the birth of her son.   It also marks the > presentation of the infant Jesus in the temple.  Christians were observing > this holiday in Jerusalem as early as the 4th Century A.D.   This goes back > to a Jewish tradition that women were considered unclean after the birth of a > child and were not permitted to enter the Temple to  worship.  This was 40 > days after the birth of a  son and 60 days after the birth of a daughter.  At > the end of the 40 or 60 days, the mother was brought to the Temple or > synagogue and ritually purified.  Now she can go to religious services again, > and generally go out in public.  So we celebrate the ritual Purification of > the Virgin Mary, the specified forty days after she gave birth to Jesus (or, > we used to.) > > > http://boe.cabe.k12.wv.us/ona/candlemas.html > > > > > > ==== MA-BAY-COLONY Mailing List ==== > New Hampshire: > Strafford County NHStraff-L@rootsweb.com > Rockingham County NHRockin-L@rootsweb.com > list moderator: BunnyDust@attbi.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Bruce is correct, there was a Vol.3 planned for the genealogy of families of York county......I dont know if the papers still exist for that volume. If anyone on the lists of Ma-Bay or MeYork has info they are willing to share. >> My understanding is that Banks wrote two volumes of this history before he died. He supposedly had notes for Volume 3, but died before he completed the book. > Maybe SKS can confirm/refute my understanding of the situation. > Bruce Bardes > Cincinnati -- Administrator for Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com Bunnydust@attbi.com MBC archiver (postings) http://archiver.rootsweb.com and put Ma-Bay-Colony in the box > > --------------------------------- > > CAME,Arthur: under the spelling of Cham, this emigrant was granted land at > > Exeter,NH,1664; and 1669 he had a house at York; it's believed he came to > > New England with John FROST. His wife was Violet(___?)she was still living > in > > 1720; Arthur and Violet had 6 children,all lived to marry. [genealogy in > Volume 3 which I dont have] > > -------------------------------------> > > > transcribed by: > > Cynthia > > Administrator for Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com > > Bunnydust@attbi.com > > MBC archiver (postings) > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com and > > put Ma-Bay-Colony in the box > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

In a message dated 1/5/03 6:00:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, Bunnydust@attbi.com writes: Is James Warren of Dunnybrook/Berwick one of the Scotch Prisoners Del Earle

In a message dated 1/6/03 1:50:51 PM, linkdebs@ix.netcom.com writes: << There is a wonderful book called "Cod" by Mark Kurlansky. >> I second that wholeheartedly.

Sorry _ I got my dates wrong. The boat was built in 1930. History section has the proper dates. Phil

<A HREF="http://www.schooneramericaneagle.com/">Click here: The Schooner American Eagle - the most unique vacation you'll ever experience</A> This schooner was built around the turn of the century and used as a fishing vessel out of Glouchester until the early 60's. It has been completely updated and re-rigged. The boat is now pristine but it is an example of the fishing boats that sailed out of Gloucester. 92 feet. It was in really bad shape when they stopped using it for fishing. Phil

There is a wonderful book called "Cod" by Mark Kurlansky. Everyone who touches the sea or is interested should read it. It's not directly about life on a fising boat, but it gives an amazing picture of what drove those boats to the edge of the known world. In addition it is beautifully written. In paperback by penguin. Debby Link ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol L. Dobson <cldobson@netnitco.net> To: <MEYORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:22 AM Subject: [MEYORK] Books about Fishermen > > I need a recommendation of a book to read about fishermen/fishing. > > Although I was brought up near the ocean in Lynn, Massachusetts, I have > known absolutely nothing about the life of fishermen. At least to my > knowledge, Lynn wasn't a fishing town. Many, if not most, of my ancestors > who lived in the 19th and early 20th century were fishermen (in > Kennebunkport, ME; Boston, Rockport & Gloucester, MA, and in Nova Scotia. > > I'm almost finished reading an excellent book, "The Masts of Gloucester" by > Raymond McFarland. Along with conversations with elderly relatives I am > gaining some understanding. > > What I need now is a book(s) about the small fisherman, or would a schooner > with 17 men aboard be considered that? I know some of my ancestors fished > closer to land and with just one or two people in a boat and I need to know > how it was different for them. > > I'd appreciate any titles of books you might suggest. > > Carol Dobson > New Englander living in Indiana > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >