OOPs. I'm not on the same page with you...sorry for that. Be back to you in a moment -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re Hiltons and Royalty Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:23:31 -0500 From: Eugene Hubbard <hubfam@earthlink.net> To: hw.bradley@verizon.net, meyork-l@rootsweb.com Dear Hal: Your quarrel will be with the author, not me... <GRIN> (The emphasis is mine.) So far as the Fishmonger's guild is concerned, that does not mean a person was low-born. Most buisiness was done thru guilds. Some were less exclusive than others, and few limited their trade or artisans to that described in their title. One of the exceptions might be the goldsmiths. Regards, 'Gene Hubbard ROYAL FAMILIES: AMERICANS OF ROYAL AND NOBLE ANCESTRY. VOL. 1--GOV. THOMAS DUDLEY & DESCENDANTS THROUGH FIVE GENERATIONS The Governor Dudley volume is the first in a new series of books compiled by Mr. Marston Watson for genealogists hoping to find their way back to an immigrant ancestor known to possess >>>>>>>well-documented royal and noble lines. <<<<<<<< The immigrant Thomas Dudley was governor or assistant governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony from 1630 to 1653. Dudley's American descendants have lineal connections to his royal and noble ancestry through his mother and likely his father and through his second wife, Katherine Deighton, as well. This means that they are also direct descendants of King John of England, William the Conqueror, and Charlemagne, to name a few. Among immigrants of royal descent, Governor Dudley probably has the largest number of progeny in American history. According to some estimates, it is possible that as many as 30 million Americans, or 10% of the U.S. population, may number among his descendants! http://www.genealogical.com/item_detail.asp?ID=6161

Dear Hal: Your quarrel will be with the author, not me... <GRIN> (The emphasis is mine.) So far as the Fishmonger's guild is concerned, that does not mean a person was low-born. Most buisiness was done thru guilds. Some were less exclusive than others, and few limited their trade or artisans to that described in their title. One of the exceptions might be the goldsmiths. Regards, 'Gene Hubbard ROYAL FAMILIES: AMERICANS OF ROYAL AND NOBLE ANCESTRY. VOL. 1--GOV. THOMAS DUDLEY & DESCENDANTS THROUGH FIVE GENERATIONS The Governor Dudley volume is the first in a new series of books compiled by Mr. Marston Watson for genealogists hoping to find their way back to an immigrant ancestor known to possess >>>>>>>well-documented royal and noble lines. <<<<<<<< The immigrant Thomas Dudley was governor or assistant governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony from 1630 to 1653. Dudley's American descendants have lineal connections to his royal and noble ancestry through his mother and likely his father and through his second wife, Katherine Deighton, as well. This means that they are also direct descendants of King John of England, William the Conqueror, and Charlemagne, to name a few. Among immigrants of royal descent, Governor Dudley probably has the largest number of progeny in American history. According to some estimates, it is possible that as many as 30 million Americans, or 10% of the U.S. population, may number among his descendants! http://www.genealogical.com/item_detail.asp?ID=6161

I believe your link to Mark Roger Hilton is outdated. Edward Hilton and his brother William Hilton were the sons of William Hilton of Northwich, Cheshire, England (cf. Anderson's "The Great Migration Begins...", sub. Hilton; NEHGR 95:181). Edward was a fishmonger by trade, hardly the occupation of the son of nobility. That Sybil de Lumley married William, Baron Hilton is proven. That Edward and William Hilton of New Hampshire were descended from this couple is not. If you have proof of this link, would you please share it with the list? Thank you. Hal Bradley -----Original Message----- From: Eugene Hubbard [mailto:hubfam@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 5:20 PM To: MEYORK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MEYORK] Re: Hiltons and Royalty? keks wrote: > I have Hiltons in York Co.--was unaware of any Hilton connection to > royalty. > Who was the immigrant ancestor with the royal connection? I don't see > one > listed in David Faris' _Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century > Colonists_, 2nd edition. Is this a new discovery? > > Kendall Mellem > Thomas de Lumley married Elizabeth Plantagenet. If that isn't in the book, I'd hazzard a guess the book isn't worth the salt you paid for it. Their daughter Sybil married William Hilton, who was the father of Mark Roger Hilton, who was the father of the Hiltons of New Hampshire. Henry II of England + Alys of Porhoet were Hilton ancestors. That should nail down the Royalty issue. There are literally hundreds of "Royalty" ancestors of the Hiltons in the Royalty.GED I mentioned and sent out. In fact, in that ged, I discovered a common ancestor of 1) the Dudleys, 2) the Hiltons, 3) the Hubbards of Maine, 4) the Hutchinsons, 5) the Wheelwrights of Mass and Maine, 6) Pres. Abe Lincoln's line, and 7) Pres. Geo. Washington's line. I also know the ancestors of Presidents Bush and Franklin Roosevelt are in there. 'Gene Hubbard ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This adv. appeared today from Genealogical Publishing Company. It dovetails nicely with the thread of Royalty.GED and going back 35 generations in early Europe. I include it entirely so you can click on the URLs. Jacobite Peerage Book for Royal/Noble Genealogy Sleuths Strutting our Colonial Stuff: Massachusetts Mid-Atlantic Genealogy Books from Clearfield Navigating www.Genealogical.com <http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=y79l5tn6.lfpujtn6.pmvf4tn6&p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.Genealogical.com> January Books at the Genealogy Warehouse ========================================================= JACOBITE PEERAGE BOOK FOR ROYAL/NOBLE GENEALOGY SLEUTHS If you believe you have royal or noble ancestry but haven't been able to prove it, consider the following: England's Glorious Revolution of 1688 resulted in the ouster of the last Stuart king, James II of England (James VII of Scotland) and the installation of the House of Orange monarchs, King William and Queen Mary. BUT not so fast, for between 1688 and 1784 James and his successors in exile (Bonnie Prince Charlie, etc.) retained the plenary authority to bestow nobiliary and chivalric honors. In fact, the Stuarts conferred over 200 hereditary titles and made hundreds of court appointments during this 96-year period. The names and particulars of those receiving such titles are extraordinarily difficult to locate, since they do not appear in any of the standard books on the Peerage and Baronetage. Although only a handful of researchers know it, this information can be found in the Marquis de Ruvigny & Raineval's acclaimed JACOBITE PEERAGE, the only book ever to document these unofficial conferrals. This remarkable work, treating titles that are neither claimed nor used, and which died with the dynasty by which they were conferred, contains a previously untapped wealth of genealogical and historical material. To learn more about the JACOBITE PEERAGE click on the following link: http://www.genealogical.com/item_detail.asp?ID=5052 <http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=y79l5tn6.lfpujtn6.tmvf4tn6&p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.genealogical.com%2Fitem_detail.asp%3FID%3D5052> Publication of Ruvigny's JACOBITE PEERAGE comes on the heels of several outstanding additions to the field of royal and noble genealogy in 2002. In case you missed them, here are several encapsulations of those titles:

This adv just came in the mail from Genealogical Publishing Company ROYAL FAMILIES: AMERICANS OF ROYAL AND NOBLE ANCESTRY. VOL. 1--GOV. THOMAS DUDLEY & DESCENDANTS THROUGH FIVE GENERATIONS The Governor Dudley volume is the first in a new series of books compiled by Mr. Marston Watson for genealogists hoping to find their way back to an immigrant ancestor known to possess well-documented royal and noble lines. The immigrant Thomas Dudley was governor or assistant governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony from 1630 to 1653. Dudley's American descendants have lineal connections to his royal and noble ancestry through his mother and likely his father and through his second wife, Katherine Deighton, as well. This means that they are also direct descendants of King John of England, William the Conqueror, and Charlemagne, to name a few. Among immigrants of royal descent, Governor Dudley probably has the largest number of progeny in American history. According to some estimates, it is possible that as many as 30 million Americans, or 10% of the U.S. population, may number among his descendants! http://www.genealogical.com/item_detail.asp?ID=6161 <http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=y79l5tn6.lfpujtn6.fodfxtn6&p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.genealogical.com%2Fitem_detail.asp%3FID%3D6161>

'Gene, > I did a google search for ole Ebenezer and came up with this: Thanks! Not him. Best regards, Toby

Hi, I was wondering if anyone has Hersom, Horsom or other spelling of this name in your lines or have heard of them. My father is a Hersom from Sanford. Any info I would really be very grateful for. Thank You, Jessa Lee Hersom King rking@inovion.com

Hi, Toby: I did a google search for ole Ebenezer and came up with this: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rhutch/fam00085.htm There are other sources as well. Best regards, 'Gene Toby & Jim Hurley wrote: <SNIP> >Anyway, 'Gene, I've got my Hutchinson line traced back to Ebenezer who just plops >down from the sky into Andover, VT, in about 1797 as that's when he first shows up >on tax records in town records. Family lore, as w/ most family lore, has that >Hutchinsons go back to Anne, but we're several generations apart from her, of >course, w/ it being 1797 for ole Eb in VT. Thus, can't prove a thing. So many >Ebenezers and so little time :-) > >

"List of Freemen of Massachusetts 1630-1691", Lucisus R.Paige,1849 --------- FYI: Prior to 1630, the list of Freemen was kept by Govenor Winthrop of Plymouth in his Journal up to 1648. Does anyone know where to find this ? -------- There are several new subscribers this week on MBC....(or any other list) you need to "Catch up"...go to http://archiver.rootswe.com and put the Ma-Bay-Colony name in the box that shows up. The subject headings all start with List of Freemen of Mass. OR Freemen of Mass., only difference are the dates of the freemen lists. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10 May 1648 Colonial Records, Vol.II, page 202 Denison,Edward Osburne, Thom Negus,Benia. Hartshorn,Thom. Kendell,Thom. Hooper,Wm Tayler,Edw. Holbrooks,Rich. Daniel,Willi. Hardier,rich. Needam, Wm. Basse,Samu. Chickly,John Pemberton,James Whale,Philem. Rice, Henry Danforth,Samu. Mather, Sam. Adams, Alex. Staple,John Negus,Benia. Allen,Henry Peerce, John Tomson,Symon Porsune,Bartho. -------------------------------- ================================================================== 5 April 1649 C.R., Vol.II, page 202 At last---name of towns where as the men came from !! Made free at Springfield,Mass: Cooper,Thom. Jones,Griffin Chapin,David ========================================================== 2 May 1649 C.R. Vol.II, pages 227,228 Browne,Willi. ffarnsworth,Joseph Brick,Rob't Maynard, John ffeild, Alexander Michell,Jona. Haward, Samu. Brown,Rob't Church,Garrett Stubbs,Josua Butler,John Turner,John Saretell,Thom. Hides,Samu. Baker, Thom. ffisher, Josua ffisher, Cornell Blanchard,John Hull,John Harwood,John Merriam,Will. Sternes,Nathaniel Lyon, Peter ----------- ============================================================= transcribed by: Cynthia-- Administrator for Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com Bunnydust@attbi.com MBC archiver (postings) http://archiver.rootsweb.com and put Ma-Bay-Colony in the box

Speaking of Hutchinsons, Pres.'s Bush and Roosevelt: on the wall of the FHL in Salt Lake is a painted descendancy chart w/ photographs of the more famous for Anne Hutchinson, showing Oliver Wendall Holmes, Pres. Bush, FDR, and Mitt Romney, now Gov. of MA, but previously head of Salt Lake Winter Olympics, among others (have it all down somewhere in this pile I call "my genealogy" :-) ) It was done in time for the Olympics. Anyway, 'Gene, I've got my Hutchinson line traced back to Ebenezer who just plops down from the sky into Andover, VT, in about 1797 as that's when he first shows up on tax records in town records. Family lore, as w/ most family lore, has that Hutchinsons go back to Anne, but we're several generations apart from her, of course, w/ it being 1797 for ole Eb in VT. Thus, can't prove a thing. So many Ebenezers and so little time :-) So, when I saw reference to Hutchinsons over the past 2-3 days in the discussion about the royalty.ged, it peaked my interest. I will, of course, wait the time you suggested to ask for information on any of that. This is, of course, the ME list and I'm talking about VT. We have NO idea where he was before that, but highly suspect MA, maybe Salem. If anyone is just DYING to know the lines to Pres. Bush, etc., as named above, I will be glad to find it here somewhere. But, write to me privately, I should think. I also took digital photos of the wall since I had never seen a family tree painted on a wall nor expect to ever again. Thanks 'Gene! Toby Hurley Eugene Hubbard wrote: > keks wrote: > > > I have Hiltons in York Co.--was unaware of any Hilton connection to > > royalty. > > Who was the immigrant ancestor with the royal connection? I don't see > > one > > listed in David Faris' _Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century > > Colonists_, 2nd edition. Is this a new discovery? > > > > Kendall Mellem > > > Thomas de Lumley married Elizabeth Plantagenet. If that isn't in the > book, I'd hazzard a guess the book isn't worth the salt you paid for it. > > Their daughter Sybil married William Hilton, who was the father of Mark > Roger Hilton, who was the father of the Hiltons of New Hampshire. > > Henry II of England + Alys of Porhoet were Hilton ancestors. That > should nail down the Royalty issue. There are literally hundreds of > "Royalty" ancestors of the Hiltons in the Royalty.GED I mentioned and > sent out. In fact, in that ged, I discovered a common ancestor of 1) > the Dudleys, 2) the Hiltons, 3) the Hubbards of Maine, 4) the > Hutchinsons, 5) the Wheelwrights of Mass and Maine, 6) Pres. Abe > Lincoln's line, and 7) Pres. Geo. Washington's line. I also know the > ancestors of Presidents Bush and Franklin Roosevelt are in there. > > 'Gene Hubbard > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi, Judie... I'm interested in some 1870-1880 records and am not even sure they exist! I can't seem to figure out the relationships - brothers? cousins? Let me know how you can help... Thanks. Kay -----Original Message----- From: Judie Dunkle [mailto:ancestorswanted@velocitus.net] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 11:59 AM To: MEYORK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MEYORK] HEENEY surname Kay could you please e-mail me privately. ancestorswanted@velocitus.net JUDIE At 11:25 AM 1/20/03 -0500, you wrote: >I need some research done at the Archives in Augusta. It seems my records >are "old" and there apparently is no index or order in which old records are >kept - plus the Archives does not have staff enough to make an extensive >search. Understandable... > >If anyone is interested in helping me for a reasonable fee, please contact >me off list. OR... if anyone knows of a good researcher for a reasonable >fee - please send me the information off list and I will make contact. > >Kay Stanton >Daytona Beach, FL > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

keks wrote: > I have Hiltons in York Co.--was unaware of any Hilton connection to > royalty. > Who was the immigrant ancestor with the royal connection? I don't see > one > listed in David Faris' _Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century > Colonists_, 2nd edition. Is this a new discovery? > > Kendall Mellem > Thomas de Lumley married Elizabeth Plantagenet. If that isn't in the book, I'd hazzard a guess the book isn't worth the salt you paid for it. Their daughter Sybil married William Hilton, who was the father of Mark Roger Hilton, who was the father of the Hiltons of New Hampshire. Henry II of England + Alys of Porhoet were Hilton ancestors. That should nail down the Royalty issue. There are literally hundreds of "Royalty" ancestors of the Hiltons in the Royalty.GED I mentioned and sent out. In fact, in that ged, I discovered a common ancestor of 1) the Dudleys, 2) the Hiltons, 3) the Hubbards of Maine, 4) the Hutchinsons, 5) the Wheelwrights of Mass and Maine, 6) Pres. Abe Lincoln's line, and 7) Pres. Geo. Washington's line. I also know the ancestors of Presidents Bush and Franklin Roosevelt are in there. 'Gene Hubbard

I have Hiltons in York Co.--was unaware of any Hilton connection to royalty. Who was the immigrant ancestor with the royal connection? I don't see one listed in David Faris' _Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists_, 2nd edition. Is this a new discovery? Kendall Mellem ----- Original Message ----- From: <EClark5407@aol.com> To: <MEYORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 9:22 AM Subject: [MEYORK] Re: MEYORK-D Digest V03 #20 > I guess I was dozing through most of the thread on the royalty ged.com. I > would love to be able to acquire a copy as I have Hiltons and Wheelwrights > from Wells and York. THanking you in advance, > > Betty Ann > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

In a message dated 1/20/03 5:19:25 PM !!!First Boot!!!, ElizHgene@aol.com writes: > LOL Oh yes <G> but there are so very many referrences to Savage that I > didn't > wade thru all umpteen thousand hits. I will think of a way to limit the > search somehow <G> > Well, thanks to a kind listmember I now have the link and enough information to know that these people put out 3 CD of family names I need <G> <A HREF="http://www.digital-editions.com/index.htm#Booklist">http://www.digital-editions.com/index.htm#Booklist</A> they charge a 15$ setup fee but for this you can have every book they do put on it <G> most interesting. The show you the difference between the digital edition and the usual format, much more readable. Eliz

In a message dated 1/20/03 3:25:36 PM !!!First Boot!!!, tjhurley1@earthlink.net writes: > Sorry. Thought you mean surname Savage, not author. Have you searched via > Google > for it? > LOL Oh yes <G> but there are so very many referrences to Savage that I didn't wade thru all umpteen thousand hits. I will think of a way to limit the search somehow <G> Eliz

I need some research done at the Archives in Augusta. It seems my records are "old" and there apparently is no index or order in which old records are kept - plus the Archives does not have staff enough to make an extensive search. Understandable... If anyone is interested in helping me for a reasonable fee, please contact me off list. OR... if anyone knows of a good researcher for a reasonable fee - please send me the information off list and I will make contact. Kay Stanton Daytona Beach, FL

Did your Hiltons come originally from Exeter, NH. If so, would you email me off list? Thanks Leslie ----- Original Message ----- From: <EClark5407@aol.com> To: <MEYORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 10:22 AM Subject: [MEYORK] Re: MEYORK-D Digest V03 #20 | I guess I was dozing through most of the thread on the royalty ged.com. I | would love to be able to acquire a copy as I have Hiltons and Wheelwrights | from Wells and York. THanking you in advance, | | Betty Ann | | | ============================== | To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 | |

I guess I was dozing through most of the thread on the royalty ged.com. I would love to be able to acquire a copy as I have Hiltons and Wheelwrights from Wells and York. THanking you in advance, Betty Ann

In a message dated 1/20/03 2:31:19 PM !!!First Boot!!!, tjhurley1@earthlink.net writes: > Which Savages? I have a contact for Savages, but don't know if it's the one > you > want. > I am referrencing the book by Savage on the early genealogy of America. It is freely avaliable online but a CD has been made, totally indexed (not just LAST name and what ever names follow in a paragraph but fully indexed) with the book of errata included in with the original entry and with my pc crash I lost the link and now have money to buy it <G> but can't find it. Eliz

Kay could you please e-mail me privately. ancestorswanted@velocitus.net JUDIE At 11:25 AM 1/20/03 -0500, you wrote: >I need some research done at the Archives in Augusta. It seems my records >are "old" and there apparently is no index or order in which old records are >kept - plus the Archives does not have staff enough to make an extensive >search. Understandable... > >If anyone is interested in helping me for a reasonable fee, please contact >me off list. OR... if anyone knows of a good researcher for a reasonable >fee - please send me the information off list and I will make contact. > >Kay Stanton >Daytona Beach, FL > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237