Lloyd: The HOLLAND name appears in the TOPOGRAPHICAL DICTIONARY OF THE ENGLISH EMIGRANTS, 1620-1650; Charles E.Banks,Philadelphia,1937 This may or may not be your Nathaniel...but hold on to the info in case it does turn out to be your Nathaniel. "Nathaniel came from St.Sepulchre, England and settled at Watertown,Mass." page 103 reference: PCC: 9 Pell Prerogative Court of Canterbury Archives You probably could find the address of the Canterbury Archives on an United Kingdom website ... ------------------------------------------------ In the book: Bonds Genealogies and History of Watertown;Henry Bond,MD., Boston,1860: This may or may not be your Nathaniel....you decide: -- page 302 (section 1): "Nathaniel Holland of Watertown,was probably the son of John and Judith,of Dorchester; bap 1638; who settled first in Charlestown, and by wife Mary had 1 son,afterwards moved to Watertown and by wife Sarah,had 6 children. He was living in 1709 "in old age": children: i. Joseph b.Charlestown,Oct 24,1659; married Elizabeth ____ ii.Sarah b. Watertown,1662; married Jonathan Philips iii.Ruth b. 1665; married Joseph Pierce iv.NATHANIEL b. April 16,1668 v. John b. 1674; married Elizabeth Parks vi.Elizabeth b. 1676; married George Lawrence vii.Mary b. and died Nov 1678. ----------- this section also states " there was a James Holland,b.1654 of Watertown from 1684-1692." ============================================================ In section 2...page 794: " it was ordered that the estate of Nathaniel(sr) be disposed of between John Holland, Sarah Philips, and John Ormes,Dec.12, 1710." odd that the rest of the children were not mentioned in the estate?? wonder if son,Nathaniel went to Maine .??? ------------------------------- In the book: NEW ENGLAND MARRIAGES PRIOR TO 1700,Calarence A.Torrey, Baltimore, 1985: HOLLAND: 1.Nathaniel[1631-1709]&1/w Mary___?,1659,Charlestown [Mass] 2.Nathaniel[1631-1709] & 2/w Sarah Streeter,1662 Watertown [Mass] 3.Nathaniel [1668-1716] & Mary White,1692 Brookline [Mass] ---------------------------------------------- That's all I have on HOLLAND,Nathaniel.... ---------------------- Yes, Black Point, Blue Point,Spurwinke,and Casco Bay...still exist (the borders may not be the same as what it was during Nathaniel's time.) --- ALWAYS VERIFY your source(s) REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT'S FROM Cynthia Admin.Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com Bunnydust@attbi.com MBC archiver (postings) ----- > Hi, > > I notice in your message to MaBayCol List that there is a Nath > (Nathaniel?) Holland listed under the 27 May, 1663 list of freemen who > were sworn in at Black Pointe, Blue Pointe, Spurwinke and Casco Bay. > > Is there any way to obtain more information about this person? I am > fairly certain that he is in my line, and would like to pursue his > history further. I would appreciate any help or advice you can give. > > Incidentally, those areas (towns at that time, I suppose) still exist > with those names today. > > Thanks again, > > Lloyd Holland

Dear Lists: As you use the information in the Royalty.ged, I believe you will find information which does not reflect current thinking, or may simply be incorrect. It would be helpful to all to point these errors out publicly. One such common error is the citation that the de Stafford family resided in either Grafton, Worcester, or Grafton, Warwick. Both these facts cannot be true. In fact, the information may have come from author Frederick Lewis Weis, who cited both places on page 60 of his Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists etc.7th edition. A check of an English gazeteer indicates that there are Graftons in both Worcestershire and in Northamptonshire (but not Warwickshire). The de Stafford's homebase was Grafton, in the parish of Bromsgrove, Worcestershire, ENG. Bromsgrove is also listed in the gazeteer as being in Worcestershire. Author Weis was in error in one case saying Grafton was in Warwickshire. (see Line 55-34 thru -35.) 'Gene Hubbard

Good morning, Ted... Your email did not contain a message. Can I assume that your reply is the same as Carol Dobson's??? Kay Stanton -----Original Message----- From: Ted Chadbourne [mailto:tedchad@maine.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 8:43 PM To: MEYORK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MEYORK] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol L. Dobson" <cldobson@netnitco.net> To: <MEYORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [MEYORK] > Hi Kay, > > Sorry but none of those names is familiar. It would have been nice though. > > Carol > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kay Stanton" <kstanton@bellsouth.net> > To: <MEYORK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:04 PM > Subject: RE: [MEYORK] > > > > Hi, Carol and Ted - both! > > > > I have MARY DOBSON (W) and VILETTA DOBSON (S)listed as possibly living > with > > my ancestors, William and Annie (Hannah) Heeney in 1880 census. Can > either > > of you identify them and tell me if they are related to Heeney, Kay, or > > Sidebotham??? > > > > Thanks very much. > > > > Kay Stanton > > Daytona Beach, FL > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

List of Freemen,1630-1691, Lucius Paige,New England Historical and Genealogical Register III, January,April,July, and October,1849. --------------. Black Point, Blue Point, Spurwinke,and Casco Bay are in Maine. -------- Info has been posted on the Colonial records....( "you need to know" in subject line ) ----------------- NO changes made in spelling, grammar,or anything else--strictly by the book. -------------- 13 July 1658" inhabitants of Black Point, Blue Point, Spurwinke, and Casco Bay, sworn in at Spurwinke. by Commissioners[doesnt give names] Smaley,ffrancis White,Nicholas Stamford,Thomas Bayley,Jonas Corbyn,Robert Wallis,Nathaniell Angur,Arthur(jr) Phillips,John Martyn,Richard Lewis,George Boden,Ambrose Oakeman,Samuell Brand,Andrew Madinde,Mich. Hamot,Thomas Taylor,George Jocelyn, Henry Cleane, George Jordan,Robert Bonighton,Jno ffoxwell,Richard Watts,Henry Neale, ffranc. ffellew, Abraham Boden,Ambros(sr) Mitten,Mich. Symes, Jno Edgcomb,Nico. ....................Colonial Records, Vol.IV,page 241 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30 May 1660 Colonial Records,Vol IV,page 336 Crowne,William(colonel) Lindon,Augustine Dwisdsall,Thomas Watkins,Thomas Clarke,Hugh Majes(Maies/Mayes),Samuel Elliott,Jno Jno.Majes Pannly,Alexander Wheeler,Wm. Billing,Jno. Rice,Thomas Rice,Mathew Spring,Henry Heurn,Jacob Clap,Nath. Rand,Thomas Hubbard,Josiah Whitton, James Nutting, John Read, Phillip ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27 May 1663 Colonial Records, Vol.IV,page 416 Croad, Jno. Gott, Charles Connant, Excerise Champneys,Samuel Hide,Jonathan Hicks,Zechariah Holman,Abraham Statten,Jno. Harrington, Robert Holland,Nath Twelves,Robert Ruggles,Jno Thirston,Jno Clough,Wm Hutchinson,Nath. Batchiler,Marke Pearse,Dani. Ellis, Joseph Toy,William Waters, Laurence Collier,Tho. =============================================================================== Of course, you should ALWAYS VERIFY any information you obtain from ANY source.... --- Cynthia Administrator for Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com Bunnydust@attbi.com MBC archiver (postings) http://archiver.rootsweb.com and put (Ma-Bay-Colony in the box)

My apologies, I thought I was replying to "Ted Chadbourne" ---- not the list, or admin. Linda At 10:05 PM 02/04/2003, Linda Darling wrote: >You are sending messages to the list that were ALREADY posted to the list.

You are sending messages to the list that were ALREADY posted to the list. At 08:43 PM 02/04/2003, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Carol L. Dobson" <cldobson@netnitco.net> >To: <MEYORK-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 6:40 PM >Subject: Re: [MEYORK] > > > > Hi Kay, > > > > Sorry but none of those names is familiar. It would have been nice though. > > > > Carol > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kay Stanton" <kstanton@bellsouth.net> > > To: <MEYORK-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:04 PM > > Subject: RE: [MEYORK] > > > > > > > Hi, Carol and Ted - both! > > > > > > I have MARY DOBSON (W) and VILETTA DOBSON (S)listed as possibly living > > with > > > my ancestors, William and Annie (Hannah) Heeney in 1880 census. Can > > either > > > of you identify them and tell me if they are related to Heeney, Kay, or > > > Sidebotham??? > > > > > > Thanks very much. > > > > > > Kay Stanton > > > Daytona Beach, FL > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol L. Dobson" <cldobson@netnitco.net> To: <MEYORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [MEYORK] > Hi Kay, > > Sorry but none of those names is familiar. It would have been nice though. > > Carol > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kay Stanton" <kstanton@bellsouth.net> > To: <MEYORK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:04 PM > Subject: RE: [MEYORK] > > > > Hi, Carol and Ted - both! > > > > I have MARY DOBSON (W) and VILETTA DOBSON (S)listed as possibly living > with > > my ancestors, William and Annie (Hannah) Heeney in 1880 census. Can > either > > of you identify them and tell me if they are related to Heeney, Kay, or > > Sidebotham??? > > > > Thanks very much. > > > > Kay Stanton > > Daytona Beach, FL > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Ted: That posting was re-posted in error as it was already posted as you said Jan 23. The posting was still in my draft file and without checking the dates,I just had it sent (as I have few made up in advance) -- That's correct Massachusetts never "owned Maine"....I never said it did....It was under the JURISDICTION of Massachusetts which I believe means under the courts of the time....which was located in Boston -- I am only sending out information that is in the books... I have no control of what is printed in the books...correct or otherwise. Just like any source of information you come across doing family research, you need to check out the information REGARDLESS where it's from....and that is up to each individual to do so....as I cannot make changes to what is in the book and have no intention of doing so. EVERy spelling for names, towns,etc.. remain as shown...no corrections UNLESS I have direct knowledge of a particular name that I have already done research on,especially family names. --- As for Stackpole's "Old Kittery and her families"....unfortuately not many of us can afford that book.....and not all libraries have it. That book probably has errors too. --- I understand that the Massachusetts State Archives has the information in regards to early "oaths of allegiances" and also the "Oaths of Submission". --- "12 days have passed with no correction..." as I said previously, I didnt intend to post it. Also, I work full time and dont have time to do a lot of checking for each posting when it comes from the books I have....as I will not change any informtion that I do not have any direct knowledge of..... ---- Interesting...you mentioned ...... > (Probably not because Massiacs block Maineacs' left lanes.)<< my husband is what you call a "Maineac"....born and raised in Maine.... ----- >> (I don't normally favor full quotebacks in e-mail or to List > but one may be appropriate in this case<< yeah right I just wished you had contacted me prior to sending this out on the list as I would have sent a "correction notice" to the list myself when I was made aware that it was the same posting. ---- Cynthia Bunnydust@attbi.com > This is a caution about errors in some recent posts to MEYORK-L. > > To readers of the York County, Maine genealogical interest group: > When Goodlady Cynthia ("as Bunnydust") started her "Freemen" > posts, including Kittery, below, (which she'd also sent Jan. 23 to > this MEYORK-List), I wrote her privately that a CAUTION should > be given that MAJOR ERRORS IN TRANSCRIPTION were made > somewhere along the line, which should not be knowingly > repeated or compounded. (Her reply included that her source had > been cited: an 1849 "List of Freemen of Mass.." by Lucius Paige.) > We should commend Cynthia and others for citing any source! > > It's unfortunate that people and publishers have incentive to > repeat material for which the copyright has expired, often > inferior to the high standard of research and source citation > by several researchers in the last eight to ten decades. > > I also shared with Cynthia some historic background of this act > by just SOME of the freemen of Kittery, MAINE (a majority in this > then-debated matter) to be governed by Mass., and reasons for > their favorable response to the document. (Maine had NOT been > governed by any political or religious body in Mass. prior to that > Colony's acceptance of what they initiated. One must NOT RELY > on completeness, sequence, and certainly not on the spelling of > the names below. You may have thought that could not now > be determined, reading "record of their oath does not appear." > But this document always has, owned by the State of Mass.* > > * It was moved, I believe, from the MA State House to the new > Mass. Archives at Columbia Point (a few miles south of Boston, > on the Ocean between the J.F.Kennedy Memorial and one campus > of the University of Massachusetts. (I've found many interesting > documents of Maine history at each Archive location, in turn.) > > *"Old Kittery and Her Families" by Everett S. Stackpole, 1903, > while far from the best source available today, is a book some > of you have (also in many genealogical libraries, for the rest). > PAGE 143 of what's often called "Stackpole" on this List, > has a decent image of the document in question. It is the > "Kittery Act of Submission", rather than a list of ALL freemen > of the Town (now Kittery, Eliot, South Berwick, Berwick and > North Berwick.) You will notice that at least a dozen of the > signatories made their MARK, beside which another penman > wrote their names in script. The first signature is simply W.C. > followed by William (Chatburne?) in script. The latter is on > the cover of our 1994 book and the enhanced CFA CD-2000 > edition of "The Chadbourne Family in America: A Genealogy" > which is unsurpassed for early descendants of THOMAS > SPENCER and of DANIEL GOODWIN, both also immigrants > who married Patience 2 Chadbourne + Margaret 2 Spencer. > e.g. http://www.chadbourne.org Generation 4, or CD-2000 > with its 26,000 name index. > > LAND TITLE vs.Mason heirs was at stake. If you wish, Cynthia, > you may post to this List what I sent you or ask me to edit it. > I'm not happy to disagree publicly, but since twelve days > have passed with no correction by the submitter, and now > it's been re-posted, I think researchers deserve this caution. > > (I don't normally favor full quotebacks in e-mail or to List > but one may be appropriate in this case.) Some of you may > enjoy guessing which man is meant by each spelling below! ? > > Some may also enjoy guessing who didn't sign, and why. ? > (Probably not because Massiacs block Maineacs' left lanes.) > ~ Ted Chadbourne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <bunnydust@attbi.com> > To: <MEYORK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 3:58 PM > Subject: [MEYORK] List of Freemen,1630-1691..............1652.....KITTERY,MASS. > [NOW MAINE] > > > List of Freemen of Massachusetts, 1630-1691 by Lucius R.Paige,1849 > > ------------ > Cynthia> From this point on,the freemen list will state > C"> the towns where the men were from !! > C"> Remember, what consisted of Mass Bay Colony then > C"> was [[parts of ~TC]] what is now Maine, NH., and Mass. > > ------------- > Paige?> 16 Nov.1652: appeared before the Commissioners at > > KITTERY [now Maine] ,and submitted to the Government > > of Massachusetts; the record of their oath does not appear. > > [Colonial Records , Vol.VI,page 116] > > > > Withers,Tho. Wincoll, Jn. Chadborn,Wm > > Gunison, Hugh Spencer,Thom. Durston,Tho. > > Mendam,Rob't Rise,Thomas Emery,James > > Remeth,Christian [**] ffrost,Niccolas Weimouth,Rob't > > Chadorne,Humphrey Cunley,Abraham Nason,Richard > > Bayley,Mary Paule, Daniel Diamont, Jno > > Leader,George Symons, Jn Greene,Jn. > > Mattoone,Hugbert Wilson,Gowen Palmer,Wm > > Shrires,Jerre Hoord,JN Spinney,Tho. > > Lord,Nath. Mile, Joseph Mavericke,Antipas > > Shapleigh,Niccolas Emery,Antho. Jenkins,Regnald[sic] > > White,Jn Jones, Tho. Douning,Dennis > > Andrewes,Jn. Davies,Daniell Babb, Phillip > > Everett,Wm. ------------- -------------- > > ------------- transcribed by: > Cynthia.. > Bunnydust@attbi.com... > > ** "ffrost" is accurate. Double "ff" meant "F". (Little known: there > were two contemporary Nicholas Frost's in Old Kittery.) ~ Ted > > NOTE: If replying to this message, please delete at least parts of > a full quoteback you may see (coming from your setup options). > Thanks! ~ Ted Chadbourne > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I understand. At 10:12 PM 2/4/2003 -0500, you wrote: >My apologies, I thought I was replying to "Ted Chadbourne" ---- not the >list, or admin. >Linda > >At 10:05 PM 02/04/2003, Linda Darling wrote: >>You are sending messages to the list that were ALREADY posted to the list. > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Part of the problem here may be that currently, when you click on "reply", your message goes directly to the list instead of the sender UNLESS you change the address. Soooooo what may have been intended as a private response may have ended up public. I changed this feature a long time ago when we were having a roll call. The list hasn't been very active and I forgot to set it back. Now...I need to hunt for the link and password because I lost all my saved email a while back. PLEASE send any complaints to me privately. This has been a peaceful list all along. I don't want any flaming to begin. Thank you!

Seems to me the good out-weighs the bad here. I think that we all know to take everything with a grain of salt, but if Cynthia wasn't posting, I for one, wouldn't even have this much to go on. I live in the south and find it difficult to research New England ancestors and without someone taking the time to post info like this, I would have many less leads. So, a public THANK YOU, Cynthia! Leslie in NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Chadbourne" <tedchad@maine.rr.com> To: <MEYORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [MEYORK] List of Freemen,1630-1691 < ERRORS > 1652 KITTERY..see Stackpole p.143 | This is a caution about errors in some recent posts to MEYORK-L. | | To readers of the York County, Maine genealogical interest group: | When Goodlady Cynthia ("as Bunnydust") started her "Freemen" | posts, including Kittery, below, (which she'd also sent Jan. 23 to | this MEYORK-List), I wrote her privately that a CAUTION should | be given that MAJOR ERRORS IN TRANSCRIPTION were made | somewhere along the line, which should not be knowingly | repeated or compounded. (Her reply included that her source had | been cited: an 1849 "List of Freemen of Mass.." by Lucius Paige.) | We should commend Cynthia and others for citing any source! | | It's unfortunate that people and publishers have incentive to | repeat material for which the copyright has expired, often | inferior to the high standard of research and source citation | by several researchers in the last eight to ten decades. | | I also shared with Cynthia some historic background of this act | by just SOME of the freemen of Kittery, MAINE (a majority in this | then-debated matter) to be governed by Mass., and reasons for | their favorable response to the document. (Maine had NOT been | governed by any political or religious body in Mass. prior to that | Colony's acceptance of what they initiated. One must NOT RELY | on completeness, sequence, and certainly not on the spelling of | the names below. You may have thought that could not now | be determined, reading "record of their oath does not appear." | But this document always has, owned by the State of Mass.* | | * It was moved, I believe, from the MA State House to the new | Mass. Archives at Columbia Point (a few miles south of Boston, | on the Ocean between the J.F.Kennedy Memorial and one campus | of the University of Massachusetts. (I've found many interesting | documents of Maine history at each Archive location, in turn.) | | *"Old Kittery and Her Families" by Everett S. Stackpole, 1903, | while far from the best source available today, is a book some | of you have (also in many genealogical libraries, for the rest). | PAGE 143 of what's often called "Stackpole" on this List, | has a decent image of the document in question. It is the | "Kittery Act of Submission", rather than a list of ALL freemen | of the Town (now Kittery, Eliot, South Berwick, Berwick and | North Berwick.) You will notice that at least a dozen of the | signatories made their MARK, beside which another penman | wrote their names in script. The first signature is simply W.C. | followed by William (Chatburne?) in script. The latter is on | the cover of our 1994 book and the enhanced CFA CD-2000 | edition of "The Chadbourne Family in America: A Genealogy" | which is unsurpassed for early descendants of THOMAS | SPENCER and of DANIEL GOODWIN, both also immigrants | who married Patience 2 Chadbourne + Margaret 2 Spencer. | e.g. http://www.chadbourne.org Generation 4, or CD-2000 | with its 26,000 name index. | | LAND TITLE vs.Mason heirs was at stake. If you wish, Cynthia, | you may post to this List what I sent you or ask me to edit it. | I'm not happy to disagree publicly, but since twelve days | have passed with no correction by the submitter, and now | it's been re-posted, I think researchers deserve this caution. | | (I don't normally favor full quotebacks in e-mail or to List | but one may be appropriate in this case.) Some of you may | enjoy guessing which man is meant by each spelling below! ? | | Some may also enjoy guessing who didn't sign, and why. ? | (Probably not because Massiacs block Maineacs' left lanes.) | ~ Ted Chadbourne | ----- Original Message ----- | From: <bunnydust@attbi.com> | To: <MEYORK-L@rootsweb.com> | Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 3:58 PM | Subject: [MEYORK] List of Freemen,1630-1691..............1652.....KITTERY,MASS. [NOW MAINE] | | > List of Freemen of Massachusetts, 1630-1691 by Lucius R.Paige,1849 | > ------------ | Cynthia> From this point on,the freemen list will state | C"> the towns where the men were from !! | C"> Remember, what consisted of Mass Bay Colony then | C"> was [[parts of ~TC]] what is now Maine, NH., and Mass. | > ------------- | Paige?> 16 Nov.1652: appeared before the Commissioners at | > KITTERY [now Maine] ,and submitted to the Government | > of Massachusetts; the record of their oath does not appear. | > [Colonial Records , Vol.VI,page 116] | > | > Withers,Tho. Wincoll, Jn. Chadborn,Wm | > Gunison, Hugh Spencer,Thom. Durston,Tho. | > Mendam,Rob't Rise,Thomas Emery,James | > Remeth,Christian [**] ffrost,Niccolas Weimouth,Rob't | > Chadorne,Humphrey Cunley,Abraham Nason,Richard | > Bayley,Mary Paule, Daniel Diamont, Jno | > Leader,George Symons, Jn Greene,Jn. | > Mattoone,Hugbert Wilson,Gowen Palmer,Wm | > Shrires,Jerre Hoord,JN Spinney,Tho. | > Lord,Nath. Mile, Joseph Mavericke,Antipas | > Shapleigh,Niccolas Emery,Antho. Jenkins,Regnald[sic] | > White,Jn Jones, Tho. Douning,Dennis | > Andrewes,Jn. Davies,Daniell Babb, Phillip | > Everett,Wm. ------------- -------------- | > ------------- transcribed by: > Cynthia.. > Bunnydust@attbi.com... | | ** "ffrost" is accurate. Double "ff" meant "F". (Little known: there | were two contemporary Nicholas Frost's in Old Kittery.) ~ Ted | | NOTE: If replying to this message, please delete at least parts of | a full quoteback you may see (coming from your setup options). | Thanks! ~ Ted Chadbourne | | | ============================== | To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 | |

Hi Kay, Sorry but none of those names is familiar. It would have been nice though. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kay Stanton" <kstanton@bellsouth.net> To: <MEYORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:04 PM Subject: RE: [MEYORK] > Hi, Carol and Ted - both! > > I have MARY DOBSON (W) and VILETTA DOBSON (S)listed as possibly living with > my ancestors, William and Annie (Hannah) Heeney in 1880 census. Can either > of you identify them and tell me if they are related to Heeney, Kay, or > Sidebotham??? > > Thanks very much. > > Kay Stanton > Daytona Beach, FL

Hi, Carol and Ted - both! I have MARY DOBSON (W) and VILETTA DOBSON (S)listed as possibly living with my ancestors, William and Annie (Hannah) Heeney in 1880 census. Can either of you identify them and tell me if they are related to Heeney, Kay, or Sidebotham??? Thanks very much. Kay Stanton Daytona Beach, FL -----Original Message----- From: Carol L. Dobson [mailto:cldobson@netnitco.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:24 AM To: MEYORK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MEYORK] Hello Ted, I checked http://www.chadbourne.org and saw listed "Florence Dobson, 448". Could you please provide the information about her? Thank you. Carol Dobson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Chadbourne" <tedchad@maine.rr.com> To: <MEYORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [MEYORK] List of Freemen,1630-1691 < ERRORS > 1652 KITTERY..see Stackpole p.143 http://www.chadbourne.org > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol L. Dobson" <cldobson@netnitco.net> To: <MEYORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:23 AM Subject: [MEYORK] > Hello Ted, > > I checked http://www.chadbourne.org and saw listed "Florence Dobson, 448". > Could you please provide the information about her? > > Thank you. > > Carol Dobson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ted Chadbourne" <tedchad@maine.rr.com> > To: <MEYORK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 12:25 AM > Subject: Re: [MEYORK] List of Freemen,1630-1691 < ERRORS > 1652 KITTERY..see > Stackpole p.143 > > > http://www.chadbourne.org > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello Ted, I checked http://www.chadbourne.org and saw listed "Florence Dobson, 448". Could you please provide the information about her? Thank you. Carol Dobson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Chadbourne" <tedchad@maine.rr.com> To: <MEYORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [MEYORK] List of Freemen,1630-1691 < ERRORS > 1652 KITTERY..see Stackpole p.143 http://www.chadbourne.org >

This is a caution about errors in some recent posts to MEYORK-L. To readers of the York County, Maine genealogical interest group: When Goodlady Cynthia ("as Bunnydust") started her "Freemen" posts, including Kittery, below, (which she'd also sent Jan. 23 to this MEYORK-List), I wrote her privately that a CAUTION should be given that MAJOR ERRORS IN TRANSCRIPTION were made somewhere along the line, which should not be knowingly repeated or compounded. (Her reply included that her source had been cited: an 1849 "List of Freemen of Mass.." by Lucius Paige.) We should commend Cynthia and others for citing any source! It's unfortunate that people and publishers have incentive to repeat material for which the copyright has expired, often inferior to the high standard of research and source citation by several researchers in the last eight to ten decades. I also shared with Cynthia some historic background of this act by just SOME of the freemen of Kittery, MAINE (a majority in this then-debated matter) to be governed by Mass., and reasons for their favorable response to the document. (Maine had NOT been governed by any political or religious body in Mass. prior to that Colony's acceptance of what they initiated. One must NOT RELY on completeness, sequence, and certainly not on the spelling of the names below. You may have thought that could not now be determined, reading "record of their oath does not appear." But this document always has, owned by the State of Mass.* * It was moved, I believe, from the MA State House to the new Mass. Archives at Columbia Point (a few miles south of Boston, on the Ocean between the J.F.Kennedy Memorial and one campus of the University of Massachusetts. (I've found many interesting documents of Maine history at each Archive location, in turn.) *"Old Kittery and Her Families" by Everett S. Stackpole, 1903, while far from the best source available today, is a book some of you have (also in many genealogical libraries, for the rest). PAGE 143 of what's often called "Stackpole" on this List, has a decent image of the document in question. It is the "Kittery Act of Submission", rather than a list of ALL freemen of the Town (now Kittery, Eliot, South Berwick, Berwick and North Berwick.) You will notice that at least a dozen of the signatories made their MARK, beside which another penman wrote their names in script. The first signature is simply W.C. followed by William (Chatburne?) in script. The latter is on the cover of our 1994 book and the enhanced CFA CD-2000 edition of "The Chadbourne Family in America: A Genealogy" which is unsurpassed for early descendants of THOMAS SPENCER and of DANIEL GOODWIN, both also immigrants who married Patience 2 Chadbourne + Margaret 2 Spencer. e.g. http://www.chadbourne.org Generation 4, or CD-2000 with its 26,000 name index. LAND TITLE vs.Mason heirs was at stake. If you wish, Cynthia, you may post to this List what I sent you or ask me to edit it. I'm not happy to disagree publicly, but since twelve days have passed with no correction by the submitter, and now it's been re-posted, I think researchers deserve this caution. (I don't normally favor full quotebacks in e-mail or to List but one may be appropriate in this case.) Some of you may enjoy guessing which man is meant by each spelling below! ? Some may also enjoy guessing who didn't sign, and why. ? (Probably not because Massiacs block Maineacs' left lanes.) ~ Ted Chadbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: <bunnydust@attbi.com> To: <MEYORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 3:58 PM Subject: [MEYORK] List of Freemen,1630-1691..............1652.....KITTERY,MASS. [NOW MAINE] > List of Freemen of Massachusetts, 1630-1691 by Lucius R.Paige,1849 > ------------ Cynthia> From this point on,the freemen list will state C"> the towns where the men were from !! C"> Remember, what consisted of Mass Bay Colony then C"> was [[parts of ~TC]] what is now Maine, NH., and Mass. > ------------- Paige?> 16 Nov.1652: appeared before the Commissioners at > KITTERY [now Maine] ,and submitted to the Government > of Massachusetts; the record of their oath does not appear. > [Colonial Records , Vol.VI,page 116] > > Withers,Tho. Wincoll, Jn. Chadborn,Wm > Gunison, Hugh Spencer,Thom. Durston,Tho. > Mendam,Rob't Rise,Thomas Emery,James > Remeth,Christian [**] ffrost,Niccolas Weimouth,Rob't > Chadorne,Humphrey Cunley,Abraham Nason,Richard > Bayley,Mary Paule, Daniel Diamont, Jno > Leader,George Symons, Jn Greene,Jn. > Mattoone,Hugbert Wilson,Gowen Palmer,Wm > Shrires,Jerre Hoord,JN Spinney,Tho. > Lord,Nath. Mile, Joseph Mavericke,Antipas > Shapleigh,Niccolas Emery,Antho. Jenkins,Regnald[sic] > White,Jn Jones, Tho. Douning,Dennis > Andrewes,Jn. Davies,Daniell Babb, Phillip > Everett,Wm. ------------- -------------- > ------------- transcribed by: > Cynthia.. > Bunnydust@attbi.com... ** "ffrost" is accurate. Double "ff" meant "F". (Little known: there were two contemporary Nicholas Frost's in Old Kittery.) ~ Ted NOTE: If replying to this message, please delete at least parts of a full quoteback you may see (coming from your setup options). Thanks! ~ Ted Chadbourne

Hello all, I just posted Acton's census. This is a copy of the same one I sent to the Census Project, lest anyone think I stole it. Happy Hunting. Darlene http://www.knights.hls-inc.net/actontown.htm

Left meYork out of the address box....now fowarding Cynthia Administrator for Ma-Bay-Colony- L@rootsweb.com Bunnydust@attbi.com MBC archiver (postings) http://archiver.rootsweb.com and put (Ma-Bay-Colony in the box) ---------------------- Forwarded Message: --------------------- From: bunnydust@attbi.com To: CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CRV] List of Freemen,1630-1691..............1652.....KITTERY,MASS. [NOW MAINE] Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 20:58:41 +0000 List of Freemen of Massachusetts, 1630-1691 by Lucius R.Paige,1849 ------------ From this point on,the freemen list will state the towns where the men were from !! Remember, what consisted of Mass Bay Colony then was what is now Maine, NH.,and Mass. ------------- 16 Nov.1652: appeared before the Commissioners at KITTERY [now Maine],and submitted to the Government of Massachusetts; the record of their oath does not appear. [Colonial Records , Vol.VI,page 116] Withers,Tho. Wincoll, Jn. Chadborn,Wm Gunison, Hugh Spencer,Thom. Durston,Tho. Mendam,Rob't Rise,Thomas Emery,James Remeth,Christian ffrost,Niccolas Weimouth,Rob't Chadorne,Humphrey Cunley,Abraham Nason,Richard Bayley,Mary Paule, Daniel Diamont, Jno Leader,George Symons, Jn Greene,Jn. Mattoone,Hugbert Wilson,Gowen Palmer,Wm Shrires,Jerre Hoord,JN Spinney,Tho. Lord,Nath. Mile, Joseph Mavericke,Antipas Shapleigh,Niccolas Emery,Antho. Jenkins,Regnald[sic] White,Jn Jones, Tho. Douning,Dennis Andrewes,Jn. Davies,Daniell Babb, Phillip Everett,Wm. ------------- -------------- ---------------- transcribed by: Cynthia Administrator for Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com Bunnydust@attbi.com MBC archiver (postings) http://archiver.rootsweb.com and put Ma-Bay-Colony in the box ==== CT-RIVER-VALLEY Mailing List ==== This List covers the history and genealogy of the Connecticut River Valley [Connecticut, Massachuttes, New Hampshire & Vermont]. List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~vermont/CTRiverValleyWelcome.html

List of Freemen of Massachusetts, 1630-1691 by Lucius R.Paige,1849 ------------ From this point on,the freemen list will state the towns where the men were from !! Remember, what consisted of Mass Bay Colony then was what is now Maine, NH.,and Mass. ------------- 16 Nov.1652: appeared before the Commissioners at KITTERY [now Maine],and submitted to the Government of Massachusetts; the record of their oath does not appear. [Colonial Records , Vol.VI,page 116] Withers,Tho. Wincoll, Jn. Chadborn,Wm Gunison, Hugh Spencer,Thom. Durston,Tho. Mendam,Rob't Rise,Thomas Emery,James Remeth,Christian ffrost,Niccolas Weimouth,Rob't Chadorne,Humphrey Cunley,Abraham Nason,Richard Bayley,Mary Paule, Daniel Diamont, Jno Leader,George Symons, Jn Greene,Jn. Mattoone,Hugbert Wilson,Gowen Palmer,Wm Shrires,Jerre Hoord,JN Spinney,Tho. Lord,Nath. Mile, Joseph Mavericke,Antipas Shapleigh,Niccolas Emery,Antho. Jenkins,Regnald[sic] White,Jn Jones, Tho. Douning,Dennis Andrewes,Jn. Davies,Daniell Babb, Phillip Everett,Wm. ------------- -------------- ---------------- transcribed by: Cynthia Administrator for Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com Bunnydust@attbi.com MBC archiver (postings) http://archiver.rootsweb.com and put Ma-Bay-Colony in the box

My apologies to everyone. Phil couldn't find this family because I did not warn everyone. I left the book in the order which it was written, all the names are within their first initial group, but after that they may be mixed up. The Goodwin's are before the Gilpatrick's etc.... Please use the search page or the search function on your browser. If you still have trouble, please feel free to email me. dnwalsh@hls-inc.net Gilpatrick, Frederick A shoe operator Goodwin Annie (Whalen) housework James pupil Frances pupil PHIL: I found him! I forgot to tell everyone that the names are not in alphabetical order within each letter. All the G's are together, but not in order. Sorry for the confusion. Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: MEDOMAK@aol.com To: dnwalsh@hls-inc.net Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [MAME] South Berwick 1905 Census is on line Darlene- His name was Fred Gilpatrick. I was always told it was South Berwick. I guess the last time I was in the house was in the early 50's. (Just a couple of years ago.) Thanks, Phil