In a message dated 1/31/2004 5:02:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: hi all... posting all these at once, p[lease look to your family name for what i found... this info comes from a lookup by surname from YourFamilyCrest.com (PageWise,INC)-it wasnt done by locality, only name,so...they also dont list the family line this comes from or any sources...i thought perhaps this would be a comparison point for some & a starting point for others on the subject... ---------- This type of MISinformation about family crests and heraldry can be found in almost evey shopping mall in the US and in many disreputable publications. I would not consider the information you found on this page to be of any value to any serious family history researcher. I would encourage anyone interested in heraldry and coats of arms to read the RootsWeb Guide on this topic (it is a very interesting topic). http://www.rootsweb.com/~rwguide/lesson19.htm Joan, admin