This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/oh0.2ACEB/1152.1175.2.1 Message Board Post: Alvina is my Grandmother - She married John Schwardt, and they had 4 children John (my dad), Marvin, Helen, and Raymond. I don't think she is who you are looking for, but I could be wrong.