Friends, You may have heard that Rootsweb will be closing all of its discussion lists on March 2, That will include this group, which as of today has 6 members, including myself. The archives will be maintained for research as they have been in the past, but there will not be any opportunity to discuss questions and answers on the list. With so few subscribers, and no postings in a long time, I feel the need for this list has expired, probably several years ago. Thus, I am not intending to transfer this list to another hosting site after March 2, unless there is serious objection from this group. If anyone feels it should continue, now is the time to let it be known! James Shuman, listowner  jshuman@telis.org

Good afternoon, fellow researchers. I have just recently been handed the “ownership” of this List, which I was surprised to learn has only 6 members, including myself. I had hoped to find out a little more about this particular research list before posting online, but I guess the best way for me to learn things is to just ask. So, here goes: 1. What is (or was) the purpose of the Mennobits List? In the restructured format that Ancestry is providing, all of the old descriptions are pretty much gone.My assumption before taking on the supervision of this list is that it would have something to do with obituaries of Mennonites. How do each of you view the purpose of this list? 2. Has the membership of this list always been small? If it used to be larger, what happened to change that? 3. We are told that Ancestry plans to restore all the Archives eventually, but they are working on the “more active” lists first. For this list, I haven’t found any archives yet. Have any of you found them, or shall we just assume that we are more or less starting from scratch on this list. 4. A few tidbits about your “list owner” (that’s me). a. I’m 79 years old, retired, and have had a life long interest in genealogy research. b. I am a member of the Old German Baptist Brethren New Conference, but my grandmother had several ancestors who were Amish or Mennonite. c. I live in California, where I spent my adult career in education, primarily high school. Please feel free to help get this list back in functioning order. James Shuman jshuman@telis.org

try http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mennobit/ Adalbert Goertz Colorado Springs http://users.foxvalley.net/~goertz/ >From: "Janice Chastain Lund" <Jan4Gen@verizon.net> >Reply-To: mennobits@rootsweb.com >To: <MENNOBITS-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [MENNOBITS] QUESTION >Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:59:07 -0800 > >What is the URL / address for the Mennonite obituaries website? Thank you >so much. Don, if you get this, I'm not on the list anymore but know you >were involved in this. > >Janice Lund >Jan4Gen@verizon.net > > >www.BabyLightandClip.com > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MENNOBITS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What is the URL / address for the Mennonite obituaries website? Thank you so much. Don, if you get this, I'm not on the list anymore but know you were involved in this. Janice Lund Jan4Gen@verizon.net www.BabyLightandClip.com

Thought I tell this list about two NEW mailing list that will be very helpful for those who have a Saskatchewan connection The first mailing list is called SK cemeteries. It is to assist people who are looking for the final resting place of a loved one in Saskatchewan or to confirm a death date as listed on the monument. It is also a place where people may offer to take photos of tombstone for those who can not . It is really anything about cemeteries, and their location in Saskatchewan just send the command "subscribe" to CAN-SK-CEMETERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com. Another exciting and very helpful list is called: Sk Obits. This mailing list offer help in supplying obits of people who were either born in Saskatchewan or died in Saskatchewan or had family in Saskatchewan. To join , just send the command "subscribe" to CAN-SK-OBITS-L-request@rootsweb.com Later on it is the hope of Janet ( she is the one who just started the SK Obits) to have a website for all the information obtained and myself to also start a website for SK cemeteries. Thank-you S. Hill

Someone has to start a project for your surname. (I did not start the Kauffman Project, so am not the coordinator.) You can go to the familytreedna website and register a new surname project. Then you will be in charge. Unfortunately this is NOT a free service (the least it will cost is $99, for each person tested, some more comprehensive testsare more $$) and it does take a bit of study until you start to get an understanding of the lingo and the process. I have heard that National Geographic Society has started a project to map the "journeys of mankind" thru DNA, and others are attempting to link all of the projects that are currently underway to avoid duplication. It is a rather cool new thing, and fun to be dabbling, especially when the results so far seem so positive for my surname- my branch of the Kauffman tree. With a name like "Kaufmann" which is derived from an occupation (Kaufmann means "merchant" in German), there can be many Kauffmans and most not genetically connected, sort of like Miller or Smith. Most towns had a miller or a blacksmith, or a storekeeper at the time when surnames developed. Just a few thoughts to get the grey matter working! Don -------- On 6-Aug-05, at 2:56 PM, Sharon Leichty wrote: > How interesting and exciting. Wish this was done for the Leichty's. > Sharon

How interesting and exciting. Wish this was done for the Leichty's. Sharon MENNOBITS-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >MENNOBITS-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 2 > >Today's Topics: > #1 DNA Success Isaac/Andreas Kaufmann [Donald Kauffman <grandpad@telus.ne] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from MENNOBITS-D, send a message to > > MENNOBITS-D-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >To contact the MENNOBITS-D list administrator, send mail to >MENNOBITS-admin@rootsweb.com. > >______________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > DNA Success Isaac/Andreas Kaufmann lineage > From: > Donald Kauffman <grandpad@telus.net> > Date: > Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:25:06 -0600 > To: > MENNOBITS-L@rootsweb.com > > > A report of DNA genealogy success --- > > A Kauffman Surname Project is underway, using the facilities of > "familytreedna.com", to find DNA matches between interested > Kauffman/Coffman men (all spelling variations). "Y" DNA passes from > father to son, virtually unchanged. A father passes an identical "Y" > gene to each of his sons. If two or more males have "Y" DNA genes that > match, there will be a common ancestor. Using DNA to do genealogical > research does not tell us WHO the common ancestor is, only that there > IS a common ancestor. We must then go back to our "paper-trail" > research to determine the MRCA (most recent common ancestor). > > This is a "success" report of three Kauffman men who have been tested > so far; men who now know they are from the same branch of the larger > Kauffman family tree. The tests show a "Y" gene that matches - meaning > that there is a common male ancestor somewhere in the pedigrees. > > Here are the three pedigrees (names abbreviated here for this report - > DDK, PLK, and RTK): > > ------------------------- > > ........................... Pedigree > #1................................. Pedigree #2. > ................................ Pedigree #3 > .................................. > DDK.......................................... > PLK................................................... RTK > > Generations (Known or Suspected) > ----- # > Gen. 1................ Jacob I - c. 1500.................... Jacob I - > c. 1500 ............................ Jacob I - c. 1500 > Gen. 2................ Jacob II - c. 1530................... Jacob II > - c. 1530 ............................ Jacob II - c. 1530 > Gen. 3................. K-Jacob III - c. 1555............. K-Jacob > III - c. 1555........................ K-Jacob III - c. 1555 > Gen. 4................. K7 - Nicolas - 1593............... K7 - > Nicolas - 1593......................... K7 - Nicolas - 1593 > Gen. 5................. K73 - Michael - 1620............ K73 - Michael > - 1620...................... K71 -Johannes - b. 1617 > Gen. 6................. K734 - Isaac - 1653.............. K734 - Isaac > - 1653 ........................ K711 - Hans - b. 1642/43 > Gen. 7................. KF-Isaac/Anna Streit-1685... KF-Isaac/Anna > Streit-1685 ........... K7112 - Andreas -b. 1668 > Gen. 8................. KF5- ?Christian - ?1728........ KF3-Isaac -- > 1718........................... Christian - b. 1723 > Gen. 9................. Jacob - 1756 ......................... > Abraham - 1778............................. Michael - b. 1765 > Gen. 10.............. Jacob - 1793............................ ?John G > - 1816............................... Benjamin - b. 1816 > Gen. 11............... Elias - 1844.............................. > Jonathan K - 1844.......................... William - b. 1853 > Gen. 12............... Joseph - 1872.......................... Daniel > ............................................. Ernest Edward b. 1891 > Gen. 13................ Loyal - 1908............................ plk > .................................................... rtk - b. 1918 > Gen. 14................ ddk - 1938 ............................ > ------------------------- > Comments: > 1. DDK and PLK have a MRCA at Gen. 7 - KF-Isaac/Anna, the immigrants > of 1737 to Berks Co., PA. > > 2. DDK descends from KF-Isaac through KF5 - Christian. PLK descends > from Isaac through KF3-Isaac. Since the "Y" gene is only passed from > father to sons this confirms that KF5 was a son of KF-Isaac, thereby > removing the doubt which Gingerich and Kreider were unable to resolve > in their "Amish and Amish Mennonite Genealogies" book. > > 3. In the same way AAMG has a question at Gen.10 on pedigree#2. That > question mark can also be removed as a result of these Y-DNA tests > > 4. When we examine pedigree #3 we see that the MRCA for RTK and the > other two (DDK/PLK) is at Gen. 4, K7-Nicolas-1593. RTK descends > through K71, the other two descend though K73-Michael (K71 and K73 > were brothers). So pedigree#3 establishes a genetic link back into > Europe (K7-Nicolas-1593) for all three pedigrees. > > 5. In pedigree#3, Gen. 7 we find K7112 - Andreas the immigrant of 1717 > to Lancaster Co., PA. Comparing the three pedigrees we see that the > two immigrants (KF-Isaac and K7112 Andreas) were in fact 2nd cousins. > > 6. There are probably other conclusions that can be drawn from > studying these pedigrees in light of the Y-DNA study results. > Certainly the Y-DNA study confirms some of the "best guesses" that > have been made by researchers over the years as they travelled the > "paper-trail" route to some answers. > > 7. We are awaiting the results from two other samples, which should > connect to this branch of the Kauffman family tree. One should connect > to KF-Isaac through a son KF-1, and the other will likely connect at > K73-Michael, but not through KF-Isaac. From the time of registration > to the results takes 6 to 8 weeks, so we wait! > > 8. To date there are 14 people registered in the Kauffman DNA group, > at least five of which appear to be connected through the > Isaac/Andreas lines. The others appear to be on other branches of the > Kauffman/Coffman tree. More samples, from more Kauffman men will > increase the value of this project. > > 8. If you want to get involved with this DNA study go to > http://familytreedna.com. Find your way to the Kauffman Project page > and register there. Remember these tests cost money, but there are two > prices. If you sigh on as an individual you pay more than if you sign > on as part of a group project.

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A report of DNA genealogy success --- A Kauffman Surname Project is underway, using the facilities of "familytreedna.com", to find DNA matches between interested Kauffman/Coffman men (all spelling variations). "Y" DNA passes from father to son, virtually unchanged. A father passes an identical "Y" gene to each of his sons. If two or more males have "Y" DNA genes that match, there will be a common ancestor. Using DNA to do genealogical research does not tell us WHO the common ancestor is, only that there IS a common ancestor. We must then go back to our "paper-trail" research to determine the MRCA (most recent common ancestor). This is a "success" report of three Kauffman men who have been tested so far; men who now know they are from the same branch of the larger Kauffman family tree. The tests show a "Y" gene that matches - meaning that there is a common male ancestor somewhere in the pedigrees. Here are the three pedigrees (names abbreviated here for this report - DDK, PLK, and RTK): ------------------------- ........................... Pedigree #1................................. Pedigree #2. ................................ Pedigree #3 .................................. DDK.......................................... PLK................................................... RTK Generations (Known or Suspected) ----- # Gen. 1................ Jacob I - c. 1500.................... Jacob I - c. 1500 ............................ Jacob I - c. 1500 Gen. 2................ Jacob II - c. 1530................... Jacob II - c. 1530 ............................ Jacob II - c. 1530 Gen. 3................. K-Jacob III - c. 1555............. K-Jacob III - c. 1555........................ K-Jacob III - c. 1555 Gen. 4................. K7 - Nicolas - 1593............... K7 - Nicolas - 1593......................... K7 - Nicolas - 1593 Gen. 5................. K73 - Michael - 1620............ K73 - Michael - 1620...................... K71 -Johannes - b. 1617 Gen. 6................. K734 - Isaac - 1653.............. K734 - Isaac - 1653 ........................ K711 - Hans - b. 1642/43 Gen. 7................. KF-Isaac/Anna Streit-1685... KF-Isaac/Anna Streit-1685 ........... K7112 - Andreas -b. 1668 Gen. 8................. KF5- ?Christian - ?1728........ KF3-Isaac -- 1718........................... Christian - b. 1723 Gen. 9................. Jacob - 1756 ......................... Abraham - 1778............................. Michael - b. 1765 Gen. 10.............. Jacob - 1793............................ ?John G - 1816............................... Benjamin - b. 1816 Gen. 11............... Elias - 1844.............................. Jonathan K - 1844.......................... William - b. 1853 Gen. 12............... Joseph - 1872.......................... Daniel ............................................. Ernest Edward b. 1891 Gen. 13................ Loyal - 1908............................ plk .................................................... rtk - b. 1918 Gen. 14................ ddk - 1938 ............................ ------------------------- Comments: 1. DDK and PLK have a MRCA at Gen. 7 - KF-Isaac/Anna, the immigrants of 1737 to Berks Co., PA. 2. DDK descends from KF-Isaac through KF5 - Christian. PLK descends from Isaac through KF3-Isaac. Since the "Y" gene is only passed from father to sons this confirms that KF5 was a son of KF-Isaac, thereby removing the doubt which Gingerich and Kreider were unable to resolve in their "Amish and Amish Mennonite Genealogies" book. 3. In the same way AAMG has a question at Gen.10 on pedigree#2. That question mark can also be removed as a result of these Y-DNA tests 4. When we examine pedigree #3 we see that the MRCA for RTK and the other two (DDK/PLK) is at Gen. 4, K7-Nicolas-1593. RTK descends through K71, the other two descend though K73-Michael (K71 and K73 were brothers). So pedigree#3 establishes a genetic link back into Europe (K7-Nicolas-1593) for all three pedigrees. 5. In pedigree#3, Gen. 7 we find K7112 - Andreas the immigrant of 1717 to Lancaster Co., PA. Comparing the three pedigrees we see that the two immigrants (KF-Isaac and K7112 Andreas) were in fact 2nd cousins. 6. There are probably other conclusions that can be drawn from studying these pedigrees in light of the Y-DNA study results. Certainly the Y-DNA study confirms some of the "best guesses" that have been made by researchers over the years as they travelled the "paper-trail" route to some answers. 7. We are awaiting the results from two other samples, which should connect to this branch of the Kauffman family tree. One should connect to KF-Isaac through a son KF-1, and the other will likely connect at K73-Michael, but not through KF-Isaac. From the time of registration to the results takes 6 to 8 weeks, so we wait! 8. To date there are 14 people registered in the Kauffman DNA group, at least five of which appear to be connected through the Isaac/Andreas lines. The others appear to be on other branches of the Kauffman/Coffman tree. More samples, from more Kauffman men will increase the value of this project. 8. If you want to get involved with this DNA study go to http://familytreedna.com. Find your way to the Kauffman Project page and register there. Remember these tests cost money, but there are two prices. If you sigh on as an individual you pay more than if you sign on as part of a group project.

April 20, 2005. Greetings to all who are still subscribers to this list -- this very inactive list, The Mennobits project is still alive and the following things have been added: 1. Incorporated "corrections" to both text and indexes as indicated by those who are using our website. 2. Added "The Mennonite" obituaries to the end of year 2004. These obits are being transcribed as they become available. 3. Added "Mennonite Weekly review" obits to the end of the year 2004. One of the editors of MWR sends a file of the obits after each publication, so Mennobits now includes the years 1987 (transcribed by the late Ralph Shetler), and also the years 2002, 2003, 2004. 4. Added 81 obits from "other" publications. Peggy Reichard sends these in occasionally, they are mainly current obits from papers in Pennsylvania. The Main Menu now includes 76,217 entries, and our Rootsweb site has a counter which says we have had 99,260 visitors to the site. Mennobits is also hosted on the Goshen site. We try to keep the two sites synchronized, but with this latest "Annual Update" the Rootsweb site is the latest and the greatest. <grin> We still get email from users. This week Shari writes, "Thanks for all the work putting this up for us genealogists, it is really, really appreciated!" I think this has been a "really, really" worthwhile project, as Shari writes. "Really, really appreciated" and all who had a part in it deserve the credit. I am collecting the obits for 2005, from "The Mennonite' and "Mennonite Weekly Review" so there should be another annual update sometime in the year 2006. In case you have forgotten, go to the Mennobits Rootsweb site at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mennobit/ Or to the Goshen site at: http://www.mcusa-archives.org/MennObits/ All the best, Don Kauffman, Mennobits Project Coordinator --

Hello to all those still on this list -- no one has used this list for a very long time, so this is a test to see if it still works. More importantly this is an attempt to announce the preliminary results of a Y-DNA test on a couple of people named Kauffman, using the facilities of "Family Tree DNA" at http://www.familytreedna.com/ Go there for good information on DNA testing, and to get involved if you wish to. A DNA sample was collected from myself, Don Kauffman in Alberta, Canada (hereafter called "Sample-dd"), and a second sample was collected from a Kauffman in New York state, (for privacy purposes hereafter called Sample-pl) Both dd and pl are male and carry the name Kauffman. The test done is on the "Y" chromosome which is the chromosome which determines gender/maleness. The "Y" chromosome is passed from father to son, usually unchanged, but rarely with minor mutations in some part of the DNA code. DNA testing for genealogical purposes is a way of determining relationships if/when traditional "paper trail" methods are no longer possible, or a way of "proving" very thin paper trails, or confirming best guesses in some cases. Scientists have determined that various points (markers) on a DNA string can be compared in different samples, and if these points match then it can be concluded that the samples studied come from the same source, ie. a common ancestor. SAMPLE-DD and SAMPLE-PL were subjected to a "25-marker" comparison with the following report: "You have a match! A Y-DNA25 match has been found between you and another person(s) in the Family Tree DNA database. You and the other person(s) have matched in 23, 24 or 25 loci, which means that there is a 99.9% likelihood you have a common ancestor within 14.5 generations". As you can see, a Y-DNA test does not tell us who the common ancestor is, only that there likely is a common ancestor. Now it is up to dd and pl to compare what they know about their ancestors. dd believes that he comes from immigrant Isaac Kauffman and Anna Streit through a probable son KF5-?Christian pl believes that he comes from immigrant Isaac Kauffman and Anna Streit through a son KF3-Isaac KF- Isaac Kauffman settled in Berks Co., PA, so this part of the Kauffman study has been dubbed the "Berks County Kauffmans" Both of these DNA donors use the work of Dr. Hugh Gingerich, "Amish and Amish Mennonite Genealogies" (AAMG), as their main source for this information. BUT, on these Kauffman lines AAMG leaves us with some question marks, meaning that Dr. Gingerich is only about 90% sure that he is correct, awaiting further proof or evidence. It would seem that these Y-DNA tests are further evidence. Interested folks can respond to this message directly to Don Kauffman at (grandpad@telus.net). Check the Family tree DNA website (http://www.familytreedna.com/ ) for lots of good information, and if you are male, and named Kauffman, especially from one of the other sons of KF-Isaac, get involved! To collect a DNA sample, you receive a special kit when you register, and the process is no more difficult that rubbing the inside of your cheek with a large Q-tip, and mailing the end of the Q-tip to the lab people. Privacy IS maintained. There is a cost for these tests -- a 25-marked test is $169 (USD) Register on the website as part of the "Kauffman One-Name Y-DNA Project". All spelling varieties of Kaufmann, etc. are welcome. Happy hunting - and hope to hear from my "kauffman kousins", Don

Happy New Year greetings to all, This is to announce that I have added the 124 obituaries from "Mennonite Weekly Review - 2003" to our website on Rootsweb. For now they are only accessible on the Rootsweb site, and only through the "year index". I intend to merge these names with the Main and MaidenName indexes -- asap --- and then send the files on to Goshen so that the two sites which carry our obituaries will then be in sync again. For those who need to know, our Mennobits are available at these two locations: ROOTSWEB: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mennobit/ GOSHEN ARCHIVES: http://www.goshen.edu/mcarchives/MennObits/index.html AND --- in June, 2002 I visited the Archives in Goshen. At that time John Sharp talked about a dream of his which he called "Gutenberg to Gigabytes" -- a scanning project to convert ancient documents to machine readable format. In preparing this message I discovered that this project has begun. You can check this out at: http://www.goshen.edu/mcarchives/Archives/gutenberg.html I do not know if there is a place for volunteers who are away from the Goshen area, but there is a "contact us" button at this Gutenberg location, so you could ask! All the best, Don

Dear Don, Great idea! I have not addicted my children to genealogy (The Good Lord knows I have tried.), but they are all avid reads. Maybe this could help lure them into my lair. HA! Have a Great Holiday Season! Sharon MENNOBITS-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >MENNOBITS-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue 8 > >Today's Topics: > #1 Last minute shopping [Donald Kauffman <grandpad@telus.ne] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from MENNOBITS-D, send a message to > > MENNOBITS-D-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >To contact the MENNOBITS-D list administrator, send mail to >MENNOBITS-admin@rootsweb.com. > >______________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Last minute shopping > From: > Donald Kauffman <grandpad@telus.net> > Date: > Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:05:23 -0600 > To: > MENNOBITS-L@rootsweb.com > > > In my search for a Christmas gift for "she-who-has-everything" I came > across a set of murder mystery books by a writer named Tamar Myers. > These books have a Pennsylvania Dutch, Amish, Mennonite setting, in > Hernia, Pennsylvania. The heroine in this set of books is Magdalena > Yoder, who runs a bed and breakfast, and her guests keep ending up > murdered. The various murder mystery sets of books tend to have a > theme. In Myer's books the theme is cooking, and food, and Myers even > manages to include real recipes as part of the story. A > light-hearted, fun read, with book titles like "Too Many Crooks Spoil > the Broth", "No Use Dying Over Spilled Milk", etc. A fun stocking > stuffer for those who like light, pure escapism in your reading. > > These books are not a genealogical resource but Myers obviously knows > about Amish and Mennonite history, she even manages to work the > Hostetler Masacre, and capture of some of the Hostetler men into her > first book, and she likes to play the "Mennonite Game" (who is related > to who) as the story unfolds. If you have Amish or Mennonite > ancestors you will likely find your family names in this story. > > If you do a Google search using this author's name, the first URL on > the list gives a good description of these books, and others by the > same author, with sources. I found some of the titles in my local > "Chapters Bookstore". People sell these books on eBay. -- but don't > bid against me!!! > > Merry Christmas to All, > Don > > "There is more to Christmas than shopping", he said hopefully.

In my search for a Christmas gift for "she-who-has-everything" I came across a set of murder mystery books by a writer named Tamar Myers. These books have a Pennsylvania Dutch, Amish, Mennonite setting, in Hernia, Pennsylvania. The heroine in this set of books is Magdalena Yoder, who runs a bed and breakfast, and her guests keep ending up murdered. The various murder mystery sets of books tend to have a theme. In Myer's books the theme is cooking, and food, and Myers even manages to include real recipes as part of the story. A light-hearted, fun read, with book titles like "Too Many Crooks Spoil the Broth", "No Use Dying Over Spilled Milk", etc. A fun stocking stuffer for those who like light, pure escapism in your reading. These books are not a genealogical resource but Myers obviously knows about Amish and Mennonite history, she even manages to work the Hostetler Masacre, and capture of some of the Hostetler men into her first book, and she likes to play the "Mennonite Game" (who is related to who) as the story unfolds. If you have Amish or Mennonite ancestors you will likely find your family names in this story. If you do a Google search using this author's name, the first URL on the list gives a good description of these books, and others by the same author, with sources. I found some of the titles in my local "Chapters Bookstore". People sell these books on eBay. -- but don't bid against me!!! Merry Christmas to All, Don "There is more to Christmas than shopping", he said hopefully.

A minor flurry of activity in the past days on this list, reminded me that I am still the "administrator" of this list, and perhaps I should be doing something to earn this lofty title! I am including below a copy of the welcome message that you received when you first "subscribed" to this list -- for your information. Note section B - Purpose Since the transcribing phase of this project is complete B(1) doesn't apply - except maybe for the joys and triumphs part. But B(2) still applies for anyone who wants to use this list as another way to reach people with similar interests. One thing -- if you change email address --- the last thing you should do while you still have the old address is go to all the lists you subscribe to and "unsubscribe". Then when your new address is active go to the lists you wish to receive and "subscribe". If you fail to unsubscribe your list administrator gets messages every time someone sends a message to the list, stating that the mail could not be delivered to "your old address". Then the administrator needs to go into the administrator's part of the list and unsubscribe those who have gone away -- in order to stop the pile of "undeliverable" messages which Rootsweb sends out to the administrators. In the last couple of days I have been tidying things, based on the messages I have been getting from Rootsweb, so if you received a message today saying that "you have been unsubscribed" please forgive me - and then go and "subscribe" yourself following the procedures outlined below. If your address really is active and you send me a message to me I can subscribe you, but I am sure you really want to feel that you are in charge, so learn to do it yourself!!! It is part of the fun of LISTS. Santa Claus is checking his LISTS these days! Merry Christmas to all! Don --------------- the original welcome message ----------------------------------------- WELCOME TO THE "Mennobits" MAILING LIST! Revised November 3, 2000 **Please save a copy of this message for future reference. The list administrator is Don Kauffman, grandpad@telus.net. RootsWeb is the host for the mailing list. A.QUICK INSTRUCTIONS B.PURPOSE C.TWO VERSIONS TO CHOOSE FROM D.E-MAIL ADDRESSES TO USE E.SENDING COMMANDS TO SMARTLIST & ROOTSWEB (i.e.) subscribe, unsubscribe, etc. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A. 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Judith Rempel of MHSA (Mennonite Historical society of Alberta) sent the following: "from another letter i learned about this non-commercial xmas lights site: http://www.oldchristmaslights.com/index.htm lots of historic interest" More information about the history of Christmas lights than I ever imagined -- Worth a Look! Merry christmas to all, Don

Hi quiet listers! Hope you all had a wonderful Thanksgiving (and not too much snow). I feel for Deana, as the first names are all "common" and hard to trace. Did this family come from Somerset County PA or do you know? I looked in my copy of AAMG and there are very few Funks, and none match the first name. Will do a little more snooping, however, for a break from my own frustrations. Julie

Deanna, if you haven't already subscribed, there are some very active Pennsylvania lists such as all the Pennsylvania Dutch webpages / lists that you could join. You might find the information you are looking for there. Also, I have a question on your maiden name. Do you have any records on a widow named Maria / Marie LANDES, (widow of Christian LANDES) marrying a Neuiswander or however it's spelled (same family)? I am a descendant of Christian LANDES and his first wife, Barbara STRICKLER and would be interested to know. Thanks for any information. Jan Lund genhelp@worldnet.att.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <MENNOBITS-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <MENNOBITS-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 6:14 AM Subject: MENNOBITS-D Digest V03 #5

On Monday, December 8, 2003, at 11:49 AM, Dora ((Niceschwander))Smith wrote: > Hello all, > I have no idea how to post on this list and it is a quiet list so > here goes. Yes, Mennobits-L is a quiet list. The list was set up to aid communication between the volunteer transcribers while the work of transcribing all the obituaries from Herald of Truth, Gospel Witness, and Gospel Herald was on-going. Now that we are "done" with that task the list has pretty much gone out of business. However it is still on Rootsweb and could still be useful for questions such as yours re. Abraham Funk. Can anyone help Deanna with her search? I find eight entries for Abraham Funk in the Mennobits index and at least one seems to be close to what you describe. If you have not already done so check it out at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mennobit/ipages/f.html or at: http://www.goshen.edu/mcarchives/MennObits/ipages/f.html Yes we are located in two places, our original site on Rootsweb, and on the computers of Goshen College > I have a ggreat grandparent ABRAHAM FUNK.He has been very hard to > trace for many reasons. Can anyone help Deanna with this query?

Hello all, I have no idea how to post on this list and it is a quiet list so here goes. I have a ggreat grandparent ABRAHAM FUNK.He has been very hard to trace for many reasons. He was drowned in the Mississippi River along with a daughter Susanna while he was still young.They were crossing to Illinois,according to an affidavit in the ggrand's pension file.His wife was named Hannah on the 1850 census we found with the children named in the pension file. CHILDREN were Catherine,Maggie (Magdalene on census),John,David H,Susan (Susanna),Mary Ann,and Jane(she was not on the census,not born yet),and my ggrandmother Louisa Funk. Does any one have knowledge of a family group that fits this profile in any way? Abraham would have been born about 1815 in Pennsylvania and Hannah in Ohio. Deana Smith