It would appear that Joel/Joshua is the brother of Richard not son. Okay, we do have Joel's, and Joshua's. Joshua is son of Richard. Joel is brother of Richard (?) PROOF NEEDED Also didn't Jonas have a son Joel? I am thinking so. All three born in Essex Co. VA ? Birth? Death? marriages? Any assistance would be helpful, Robin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com