I want to try to keep all these together so we can compare. There is a Joshua that is the brother of Richard. John's Will 1721, lists Joshua getting a chest or something to that affect. Okay, we do have Joel's, and Joshua's. Joshua is son of Richard. ? NEED PROOF Joel is brother of Richard (?) PROOF NEEDED Also didn't Jonas have a son Joel? I am thinking so. All being born in Essex Co. VA ? Birth? Death? marriages? Any assistance would be helpful, Robin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com