Been going through the passenger lists again. This is how I broke it down. Any comments or thoughts, or corrections welcome. Okay, this is where I think you are getting confused like me. Remember, the dates are not going to work when there are more than Two sets of Thomas's and John's. Ambrose for now is a given unless proven different. Remember my documents to you, I sent recently that there were more than one Thomas and John that came from England. So we have to figure out this. Ambrose only one on boat 1636 Thomas Meades 1636 John Meader 1638 Note came to VA 2 years later Thomas Meades 1638 “ Nich Meader 1638 “ John Mader 1653 Note to VA 17 years later than Ambrose MEN FROM PASSENGER LISTS Of Virginia Year Arrived Ambrose Mader ………… 1636 Thomas Meades ………… 1636 John Meader ……………. 1638 Thomas Meades ………… 1638 Nich Meader ……………. 1638 John Mader …………….. 1653 Thomasen Madero …… 1653 Thomas Meadows ……… 1751 (note: came to America, VA?) WOMEN Anne Meadowes ……….. 1684 Eleanor Meadows ……… 1771 (note: came to America, VA?) My point to this is that Ambrose and Thomas came on in same year 1636 Jno and Thos and Nich came on ship same yr 1638 John Mader came 17 years later 1653 Don’t know if this has a barring on family ties. But fact is the Thomas and John and Nich men, we don’t know who their parents are. Parents are back in England or wherever. We know for a fact that Ambrose had son Thomas by a document we have. Unless we can find a Will of Ambrose or wife, we can’t know exactly how many kids there were or if it was just the one mentioned in deed. Still trying to collect that information. Robin --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.