Sarah Colvin married John H. Meador in Texas...and I would believe their daughter would have married in Texas also.....The Meador family arrived in The Republic of Texas in the early to mid 1840s; they settled in Smith County. Doris.....A Texan in Georgia, Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years!!! -----Original Message----- From: rl mayo [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 12:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MEADOR-L] Meador,Colvin,Feaster,Rasberry,Lewter,Wood,Scott Hi ! I just found the list, and want to see if any members could help me in finding out more about my below ancestors (especially any Cherokee/Native Americans AND to a "Hannah Price").....pictures/documents,etc. would be great to find: William Colvin m. Martha Feaster, 1783 Va. Charner Colvin m. Lavinia M. Rasberry, 1841 Va./S.C. ?? Sarah E. Colvin m. John H. Meador, 1859 N.C./S.C. ?? Laura M. Meador m. Henry W. Lewter, 1876 Ga./Al. ?? Minnie M. Lewter m. Alonzo O. Wood, 1892 Ok. Henrietta Wood m. Reuben L. Scott, 1929 Tx. Any help/advice will be most appreciated; I will search archived messages. best regards, Cuz'n Bob ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com ==== MEADOR Mailing List ==== The Owner of the MEADOR-L & MEADOR-D List is Butch Miller [email protected] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/2001

Hi ! I just found the list, and want to see if any members could help me in finding out more about my below ancestors (especially any Cherokee/Native Americans AND to a "Hannah Price").....pictures/documents,etc. would be great to find: William Colvin m. Martha Feaster, 1783 Va. Charner Colvin m. Lavinia M. Rasberry, 1841 Va./S.C. ?? Sarah E. Colvin m. John H. Meador, 1859 N.C./S.C. ?? Laura M. Meador m. Henry W. Lewter, 1876 Ga./Al. ?? Minnie M. Lewter m. Alonzo O. Wood, 1892 Ok. Henrietta Wood m. Reuben L. Scott, 1929 Tx. Any help/advice will be most appreciated; I will search archived messages. best regards, Cuz'n Bob ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com

Some time ago I had several good map-sites where I could locate creeks and other geographical landmarks but have now lost these addresses. I believe that some or one was a USCGS site but can't find these. Any help will be appreciated. [email protected]

Hello, I would like to publicly thank all the folks who have responded so generously to my post about Dorothy Meador. The level of scholarship on this list is awesome...surpassed only by the level of generosity. I have been given an enormous amount of information, new sources, new theories (well thought out) and research strategies....wow.....and the all important moral support. It has been a pure pleasure meeting all of you. Thank you kindly....malinda jones

Patrick, do you or anyone else know who the parents of Ann Awbrey are? I would like to know more about her, if possible. I am descended from John MEADOR, Sr. Thanks, Linda Allen

Clear DayHad some problems with the text... so here it is again. Sorry about that. Seems to be a lot of Meador activity, so I thought I'd ask a question. I am a descendent of Ambrose Meador1 Thomas Meador (Alice Dowell)2 Frances Meador (Jacob Clemmons)3 Taylor Clemmons4. I have copied information from the Victor Meador book and also information from Opal Cox and Katherine Reynolds. However, the question I have is regarding another Thomas Meador Jr. son of Jubal Meador that was born 1800-1894. Thomas Meador Jr., married Rhoda Clemmons (whose parents are Jacob Clemmons and Frances Meador - from above). Thomas and Rhoda had children named: Ezra, Webster, James, Martha, Catherine, Gideon, and David. According to census records in Breckinridge County, 1860, Frances Clemons (Rhoda's mother) is living with Thomas Meadow. I'm trying to find out about this family and any descendants. I'm researching Clemons as well, and am trying to place where they were. At one time they were in Breckinridge County, and then J Taylor Clemons moved to Lee County Illinois. Unfortunately, I have two different "sources" - one saying he moved in 1838 and another in 1858. If anyone has information on this family, I would love to hear from you. Thank you.

Does anyone have Any information on Silas Meador who married Kathryn (Russell) Howie/Howell? They were in Dallas Co., Alabama in 1838. Juanetta Powers

Thank you kindly Jean, Let me see if I understand your findings correctly... 1) Augustine1 North & Dorothy1 (nee?, later Henry) 2) Dorothy2 North (d/o Augustine1 North & Dorothy1nee ?, later Henry) Dorothy2 North 1m Richard2 Awbrey [s/o Henry1 Awbrey & Sarah (1658/9-1672) nee Hoskins, wid/of Thomas Meador Jr (1638-1662)] Issue from 1m Richard2 Awbrey (who left 1697 will) 3i) Dorothy3 [b 1680; m 1705 to John3 Wright s/o Major Francis2 Wright (1660-1713) & Anne2 Washington]...my line 3ii) Mary3 3iii) Henry3 3iv) child3 unk gender Dorothy2 (nee North) Awbrey, 2m Thomas Gouldman II and 3m Peter Ransom Issue from 2m Thomas Gouldman II 3v) Elizabeth ------------------------ < * ))))) > < --------------------------------- I understand everything to this point "except" the following : "Secondly, Henry's death is of record. His will is dated Aug 1, 1694. I believe it is recorded in Sept. It follows:"... Item 1 : names wife "Mary" in will [note 1 : wife's name should have been Sarah (nee Hoskins, widow of Thomas Meador Jr) "if" this is will of Henry1 Awbrey ..] Henry Awbrey (d 1694) & Mary (???) of Essex Co VA...names in will Item 2 : names son Richard ; names Mary dau of son Richard... [note2 : does "not" mention Richard2 's dau Dorothy or son Henry or unk child3] Item 3 : nephew Francis (youngest s/o brother James dec'd) [note 3 : Awbrey book has John (brother of Henry1 ???) m Jane (?); Children : Elizabeth, John, (poss) Francis & Sarah ]...can this be double checked ? I need help understanding everything under the waterline -------<* )))) >< ------ Thank you for your insights and input on this confusing (to me) set of issues..... malinda Jean Suddarth wrote: > Malinda- > Maybe this will help so you have a clearer picture. > > Dorothy North, daughter of Augustine North and wife Dorothy married > Richard Awbrey. Her second husband was Thomas Gouldman II; they were > md c 1697. > Her children with Richard Awbrey were Dorothy and Mary, Henry and > another child (gender unknown) > She and Thomas had a daughter, Elizabeth. > When Thomas Gouldman died, she married Peter Ransom. > > Dorothy North, mother of the above Dorothy and wife of Augustine > North, married secondly > Daniel Henry. > > Dorothy Dudley 1696-1751 was the daughter of Richard Dudley and > Elizabeth (possibly Saxe).Before August of 1714, she was married to > Henry Gatewood. > > Henry Awbrey- > > These presents witnesseth that I Sarah Meader widdow wife of Thomas > Meader the younger lately deced in the County of Rappahanock I Sarah > Meader do bind and oblige myself my exrs. or adms. to confirme unto my > son John Meader sone unto Thomas Meader lately deced one yoak of oxen > & one gun seaven foot by the barrell to be delivered unto my son John > Meader when he comes of age & furthermore I give as my full act & deed > unto my eldest daughter Susanna Meader one red cow called Cherry & her > cow calf & increase to my aforesaid daughter only excepting the male > of the catle to fall unto me the abovesaid Sarah Meader untill my > daughter be full eleven years of age & after the expiracon of the > aforesaid years male & female to fall unto my eldest daughter Susanna > Meader. Item I give unto my youngest daughter Mary Meader daughter of > the abovesaid Thomas Meader one Black heaffer named Slippey she & her > increase to my youngest only the male excepted to fall unto I the said > Sarah Meader untill my youngest Daughter be fully nine years of age & > after the Expiracon of the aforesaid nine years male & female to fall > unto Mary Meader & if it shall please God that my eldest daughter > shall dye in her inority that all her catle & their increase shall > fall unto her sister Mary Meader and likewise in case it should pleas > God that my youngest daughter Mary Meader should dye in her minority > that her catle unto my eldest daughter Susanna Meader & furthermore in > case that my youngest daughter Mary Meader her heiffer should miscarry > before she comes to perfeccon that there shall another heiffer or cow > of the same age & her increse to be made good as aforesaid to my > duaghter Mary Meader these premises to be recorded in Court the first > or second courte ensuing the date hereof by any person that I the said > Sarah Meader shall lappoint always provided that there be severall > markes nominate & recorded for the abovesaid Childrens Catle them & > their increase. In confirmatcon I Sarah Meader bind my self myheirs > for the performance this above menconed & no other act nor deed as > Witness my hand this thirteenth day of Aprill 1662. > > These presents testifieth that I Sarah Meader late wife of Thomas > Meader deced in the County of Rappa. oblige my self to give and allowe > unto my children a sufficient & compleat maintenance in every respect > as all other ought to do and further more to give them four years a > peice Education in learning according as the Country doth aford. In > Confirmacon whereof I Sarah Medr. do bind & oblige myself my heirs or > assignes for the performance of this above menconed as witness my hand > & seal this 13th day of Aprill 1662 to write read to to cast accompt > > Recorded July 12, 1662 Deed Bk 1656-1664, p 187-188 > > Richard is the only recorded child of Henry Awbrey; the above confirms > that Susanna was his step daughter (Susanna per pevious e-mail married > 2nd Phillip McGuire), her sister Mary md Col. Francis Gouldman, > brother of Thomas Gouldman II who was the 2nd husband of Dorothy > (North) Awbrey. > > In regard to p 357 of Charles Hoppin's "Washington Ancestry"-he is > making a lot of false statements. To begin with, it is assumed Henry > Awbrey was married before he married Sarah. Secondly, Henry's death is > of record. His will is dated Aug 1, 1694. I believe it is recorded in > Sept. It follows: > > In the Name of God Amen, I Henry Awbrey of ye County of Essex in > Virginia Gent., being sick and weake in body but of sound and perfect > memory, calling to mind the uncertainty of this transitory life, and > that all flesh must yield unto death when it shall please God to call, > doe make consititute and ordain this my last Will and Testament in > manner and forme following: > First I give and bequeath my Soule to God that gave it in sure and > certaine hope of a joyfull resurrection at the last day and my body to > the Earth from whence it came to be decently interr'd after my decease > and for what Temporal Estate it hath pleased God to bestow upon me, I > give and bequeath as followeth: > I give and bequeath to my loveing wife, Mary Awbrey, the Plantation > whereon I now live with all the orchards dwellings buildings > improvements and all the land belonging to it, she not clearing nor > tending any ground beyond the Church Road which now is dureing her > naturall life, And after her decease, I give and bequeath the said > lands with all imporvements whatsoever unto my Loveing Son, Richard > Awbrey and his heirs forever. > Item. I give and bequeath unto my Son, Richard Awbrey, seven hundred > acres of land more scituate on Hodgkins Creeke being part of that > divident of land whereon he now liveth and to the heirs of his body > lawfully begotten forever, my Wife not to claime any thirds of the > same. > Item. I give unto Francis Awbrey the youngest son of my Brother, Jas: > Awbrey deced, two hundred acres of land being part of a tract of four > hundred acres of land as aforesd. purchased by me of Coll. Hill and to > his heires forever > Item. Ye other two hundred acres of land scituate as aforesaid, I give > and bequeath unto Katherine Long, Daugher of Alice Long also Sheppey > deced, to her and her heirs forever > Item. I give and bequeath unto my son, Richard Awbrey, one Negro man > called Sam; one Negro woman call'd Kate; one Negro boy called Robin, > one Negro boy called Nero, one Negro boy called Titus, to him and to > the heirs lawfully begotten of his body for ever > Item. I will and bequeath unto my loveing wife, Mary Awbrey, five > Negroes call'd by the names of Prince, Nanny, Will, Inno & Jenny; > likewise I give and bequeath to my wife one silver tankard and three > horses call'd by name of Thoroughgood, Smoaker & Mush, with my Cart > and wheels and harness belonging to thte same; likewise I will and > bequeath to my Wife one halfe of all my Cattle in quantity and > quallity > Item I give to my Wife one Servt woman called Martha > Item I give unto my son, Richard, one Servt., called Miles Dixson > Item I will and bequeath unto my wife all my stock of hoggs, she > paying after my decease unto my sonn, Richard Awbrey, three barrows or > splayd sows yearly for four years, together with all of ye age of > three yeare old or more > Item I will unto my Wife one halfe of my Sheep in quantity and > quallity > Item I will and bequeath ye other halfe of my Sheep in quanity and > quallity to my son, Richard Awbrey, and to have priviledge to let them > remaine here for three years > Item ye one halfe my cattle not yet bequeathed, I give to him and his > heires forever, likewise I will & bequeath unto my Son my black > gelding cal'd Neger, with two saddles, two bridles, pistolls, holsters > and all other furniture thereunto belonging > Itm. I will likewise unt my son My pendulum Watch; all my wearing > clothes both linen and wooling, all my french fald wearing shooes, > tockings of all sorts & hatts > Item Two feather beds with the furniture belonging to them and six > pair of sheets, one pair of and irons, all the parcells of broad > cloath for me my owne wearing, with ribbons, silks and other furniture > belonging to it, likewise I will and bequeath unto my wife all my > serge and stuff except one parsell of sad colloured serge which I give > and bequeath unto my son, Richard's wife to make her a gowne and > pretty coat, be it more or less > Item I will and bequeath unto my Son all my books, my wife haveing > choice of three or four for her owne particular use > Item My will and desire is that all my kerseyes, cottens, canvasses, > fine linen and cowrse that is not made up in garments, plain shoes, > irish stockings, and all ye yarn stocking which are kniting be equally > divided in quantity and quallity between my wirre and son. > Itm. I give and bequeath to unto my Wife three feather beds and > furniture, one new feather bed ticking with boulster and pillow > ticking, all ye table linen with all the rest of ye Sheets not before > bequeathed. > Itm. I give unto my Wife all the furniture belonging to the house as > bedsteads chairs chests, all the pewter, brass, iron potts & irons > except one desk and one chest in the old Dwelling House loft, which I > give to my son Richard. > I give unto my Son, Richard's daughter, Mary, after my Wifes decease, > six large pewter dishes. > Itm. It is my will and desire that my Executors hereafter named be > dilligent and carefull in the prosecution of ye dwelling house which > is to be built by Jon: Milbourne according to agreement > Itm. My desire is that the Brass Dyall be set up on this Plantacon and > not hereafter to be removed > Item. My will is that all ye Woole in the house be equally divided > between my Wife and my Son. > Itm. My will is that my Boat be sold and the produce be equally > divided between my wife and son, likewise two Mares one branded HA and > the other HG I give equalaly to my wife and my son > Itm. My will & desire is that before any division be made of ye Sheep > after my decease yt. Robert Brooke, Son of Robert Brooke have four ews > out of ye Sheep. > Item. It is my will and desire tht imediately after my decease my > Executors draw bills on Mr. Robert Bristow Jr., for 4000 pounds to be > paid Mr. Will: Howell, Mercht and take in my bond, lastly I make > constitute & ordaine my loveing son Richard Awbrey, and my loving Wife > Mary Awbrey joynt Exectors of > my Last Will and Testament.... > > Note that Francis Awbrey is referred to as the youngest son of his > deceased brother, James. According to infromation called the Aubrey > Family History by Walton L. Aubrey, Henry, James, and John were the > sons of Sir William Aubrey of Abercynfrig, Brecknockshire, South > Wales. He died 1631 Brecon, South Wales. It reports that he married > Elizabeth Johns. I don't have any further info on James. John married > Jane (?) and the children I have for him is as follows: > Elizabeth, John, Francis, and Sarah. (I don't know if I have made a > mistake in connecting Francis to him or there is indeed another > Francis-I will have to recheck the records) John died Sept 28, 1692 in > Westmoreland Co, VA. The only place I can see where there could have > been a Dorothy Awbrey is the child whose gender I don't have (child of > Dorothy North and Richard Awbrey) which of course, makes sense with > what you are saying. And, if she did stay with relatives, it would > have had to be cousins rather than Henry's brothers as both were > deceased by the time Richard Awbrey died. > > I checked my old database and found John Wright, son of Francis Wright > and Anne Washington. I have a notation that the source gave Dorothy > Awbrey md ca 1706 and that she died by 1739 in Prince William Co., VA. > But I never knew where to link her either. It seems plausible to me > that this Dorothy could have been the grandchild of either James or > John, rather than Henry. However, John did a great deal of interacting > as a witness etc. for Henry in Old Rappahannock. I don't have too many > records on Westmoreland but I am sure that Henrys name also shows in > the records for Westmoreland. Hope this helps clarify some things. > > Jean > > > > > > malinda wrote: > >> Hello Patrick, >> >> You've obviously put a lot of effort into these findings and I >> appreciate it. >> >> I would like to pick your brains a bit more if that's agreeable with >> you. I'm >> going to post some material by a genealogist who is considered >> credible to the >> point of official recognition by the National Society of Washington >> Family >> Descendants . He is a source for "proving in" applications to the >> NSWFD. >> That doesn't mean he couldn't be wrong about some things...it's just >> to >> "calibrate" you on the nature of the source in case you're >> unfamiliar with >> Charles Arthur Hoppin. >> >> In fact, a descendant of John4 Wright's son Francis5 , might have >> just >> demonstrably proved that there were two different Wm5 Wrights who >> have been >> morphed into one individual by genealogists ...including >> Hoppin....due to >> some information he says wasn't available to them at the time...but >> is available now.) >> >> Anyway......I would appreciate it if you would give the material >> below your >> thoughtful consideration and tell me your view. >> >> I just checked in Charles Hoppin's "Washington Ancestry" Vol 1(pub >> 1932) >> and on page 366, he comments on "the marriage (about 1705) of John3 >> {Francis2,Richard1Wrigh} to a Dorothy, probably Dorothy >> Awbrey....The exact date >> is not recorded as the records of marriage licenses, and bonds, and >> of the parish >> churches for Westmoreland are lost.Other records indicate the fact >> of the >> marriage. It has required exhaustive search and study to determine >> the identity of >> John3 Wright's wife Dorothy, because of the prevalence in the >> Northern Neck of >> women named Dorothy. Seventeen Dorothys of marriageable age, circa >> 1705, >> appear in the records. The surnames of these Dorothys were Ransone, >> Gouldman, >> Armstrong, Henry, Ripley, Dudley, Gatewood, Smith, Baughan, Durham, >> Strother, >> Maclanan, Abbott, and Awbrey. No one of these Dorothys, save the >> last, extant >> records show, could be the Dorothy who married John3 Wright." Hoppin >> goes on >> to say at the end of the same page that "The Awbreys and Gouldmans >> in old >> Rappahannock were relate; when and exactly how we have not stopped >> to ascertain. >> The connection seems to have been by a marriage between children of >> Henry Awbrey >> and Thomas Gouldman, perhaps by the latter's son Francis Gouldman on >> one side." >> >> name, together with dates of their deaths in Virginia, have not been >> found. Their >> children,On page 367 of the same book, "Mr. Henry Awbrey married in >> England a wife whose >> however, are clearly recorded--Richard, John, Francis, a daughter >> who >> married Philip Maguire, and, perhaps another daughter who married >> Mr. Francis >> Gouldman. Our particular interest is in the son Richard2Awbrey, as >> he was the father >> of >> Dorothy3 Awbrey who, it is believed married about 1705 John3 >> Wright." >> >> The 1697 will of Richard Awbrey names daughter Dorothy ..no married >> name is indicated >> for either Dorothy or dau Mary.. but of course this is before >> Dorothy's presumed 1705 >> marriage to John3 Wright . "To Mr. Francis Gouldman, a ring. To my >> Sister Maguire a >> ring, >> To Philip Maguire a mixt Kersey". ...still page367. Mr. Francis >> Gouldman and Mr. >> Thomas >> Grigson are listed in the will as overseers . And of course, "To my >> Brother John >> Meador, >> weareing Cloaths etc." >> >> Hoppin goes on to discuss the connection between Francis Awbrey and >> the Wright >> family. >> On page 368, Hoppin indicates that both Francis Awbrey and John3 >> Wright "were near >> neighbors on the Machotic in Westmoreland" and made land purchases >> in the part of >> Stafford Co that would become Prince Wm Co, ultimately removing >> there from >> Westmoreland Co and becoming Justices of both Stafford and the newly >> formed Prince >> Wm Co. Although many of the records prior to 1731 are lost, "the >> record of the >> apppointment by the Governor and Council of Virginia, on April 27, >> 1731, of the first >> justices of the new county of Prince William, is preserved, >> revealing that this >> Francis >> Awbrey was appointed to be one of the quorum of those first >> justices. Thus becomes >> obvious the fact that it was more or less through Francis Awbrey's >> influence...that >> the >> young son aged about twenty-three, John4 Wright, of this Aubrey's >> newly-widowed >> niece, Dorothy(Awbrey) Wright, was chosen as a minor member of the >> same staff of >> justices then appointed--chosen in lieu of her husband John3 Wright, >> who died a few >> months before the erection of the new county of Prince William after >> having been one >> of the movers, during several previous years, for it's creation." >> >> Of course, there was precedent for doing this in the Wright >> family...John4 Wright was >> the 4th generation in his family (in the Colonies) to play the roles >> of Sheriff and >> Justice >> and lawyer. In the Wright's native Yorkshire, they had traditionally >> been Sheriffs and >> >> High Sheriffs in the "modern medieval" era that preceded the >> Colonial era. >> >> And this was a role that Justice John4 Wright fulfilled thoughout >> his long life...for >> some 70 years when he was into his 90s. They had reason to have >> confidence in >> him....the other 3 generations of Wrights before him had also >> assumed the mantle of >> this identical sort of responsibility quite capably at a similar >> young age. He groomed >> >> his own sons for this role as well. But I digress. >> >> Back to Hoppin ..... >> >> Still page 368, " Francis Awbrey, Gent., was appointed Sheriff of >> Prince William >> County on June 13, 1739. [ Virginia Council Journal]. His niece, >> Dorothy (Awbrey) >> Wright, pre-deceased him in that county, dying intestate." >> >> He mentions a few other points to ponder...i.e. the fact that >> Francis Awbrey and his >> brother John were the only two Aubreys to cross the Rappahannock >> into Westmoreland >> Co . He further said that it wasn't certain which of her uncle's >> families little >> Dorothy lived >> with since she was only aged 10 years at her father's 1697 death, >> but it was certain >> that >> she either lived with or visited them and thus became acquainted >> with their near >> neighbor John3 Wright. >> >> I would love to hear your thoughts after you have had a chance to >> consider these >> findings. >> >> Thanks a lot ....malinda >> >> Patrick Cuff wrote: >> >> > Malinda, >> > >> > I have figured it out and here it goes: >> > >> > Sarah [Hoskins]? died 1672-1692. She had 2 husbands and 7 >> children. >> > >> > First husband: Thomas Meador b. 1635-1638 VA, d. before April, >> 1662. >> > They were married about 1658-1659. They had 3 children, John, >> Susannah and Mary. >> > >> > Her second husband was Henry Awbrey. They were married >> 1662-1664. They had one >> > child, Richard Awbrey. When Sarah [Hoskins]? died, Henry married >> a second time. >> > This time to a woman named Mary. >> > >> > Richard Awbrey, son of Sarah [Hoskins]? and Henry Awbrey, married >> Dorothy North, >> > daughter of Augustine and Dorothy North. Richard was b. about >> 1664 and d. 1697 >> > Essex Co., VA. They had 4 children: Mary, Henry II, Dorothy, and >> child. Dorothy >> > had a total of 3 husbands. The order was unknown. Her other >> husbands were Thomas >> > Gouldman II and Peter Ransome. >> > >> > Dorothy Awbrey, daughter of Richard Awbrey and Dorothy North, >> married John Billups >> > before 1718. Dorothy Awbrey was born about 1687. >> > >> > To sum it up, Dorothy Meador never married Richard Awbrey. It was >> Dorothy North, >> > of no known relation to Richard, who married him. John Meador, >> husband of >> > Elizabeth White, and Richard Awbrey were "brothers" because they >> were in fact >> > half-brothers. They shared the same mother. >> > >> > Dorothy Meador is infact a daughter of Thomas Meadors but there is >> no record of >> > her ever marrying. >> > >> > I hope this helps. >> > >> > Patrick Cuff >> >> ==== MEADOR Mailing List ==== >> The Owner of the MEADOR-L & MEADOR-D List is Butch Miller >> [email protected] >

Malinda, In Hoppins book: It has required exhaustive search and study to determine the identity of John3 Wright's wife Dorothy, because of the prevalence in the Northern Neck of women named Dorothy. Seventeen Dorothys of marriageable age, circa 1705, appear in the records. The surnames of these Dorothys were Ransone, Gouldman, Armstrong, Henry, Ripley, Dudley, Gatewood, Smith, Baughan, Durham, Strother, Maclanan, Abbott, and Awbrey. No one of these Dorothys, save the last, extant records show, could be the Dorothy who married John3 Wright." Hoppin goes on to say at the end of the same page that "The Awbreys and Gouldmans in old Rappahannock were relate; when and exactly how we have not stopped to ascertain. The connection seems to have been by a marriage between children of Henry Awbrey and Thomas Gouldman, perhaps by the latter's son Francis Gouldman on one side." First correction, he assumes that the wife came from the same county and not another county that was closely connected. They are usually from the same county but not always. Second, there weren't any Dorothy's with the maiden names Ransome or Gouldman. There was one Dorothy, Dorothy North Awbrey Gouldman Ransome. She had 3 husbands. 1st--Richard Awbrey, 2--Col. Thomas Gouldman II, 3--Peter Ransome. Also, the Dorothy Dudley was married to Henry Gatewood, making her Dorothy Dudley Gatewood. He was incorrect in saying that there were 2. Thirdly, the Awbreys and Gouldman's were related two ways. Richard Awbrey was the halfbrother of Mary Meador, wife of Col. Francis Gouldman I. This made him Francis's halfbrother-in-law. This also made their childrens cousins. Secondly, Dorothy North Awbrey's second marriage was to Col. Thomas Gouldman II. This made her only child, Elizabeth Gouldman, half siblings of Mary, Henry II, Dorothy, and child. This gave the Awbreys and Gouldmans their second connection. Fourth, Dorothy Awbrey cannot be the wife of John Wright. She was born about 1687. She was married to John Billups before 1718. According to Richard Awbrey's will, his daughter, Dorothy was not married by 1697. There was no Dorothy Awbrey for John Wright to marry. Finally, Henry himself states in his will his relations: Mary Awbrey, wife Richard Awbrey, his son Francis Awbrey, his nephew, son of his brother, John Richard's wife, his daughter-in-law Mary, his grandaughter, Richard's daughter There are no further relations given as of 1697. There is no names given of Henry's siblings' children except Francis. There is no proof that Francis had children or even married. But if he did, it is most likely, that Dorothy was his granddaughter. Patrick

Malinda- Maybe this will help so you have a clearer picture. Dorothy North, daughter of Augustine North and wife Dorothy married Richard Awbrey. Her second husband was Thomas Gouldman II; they were md c 1697. Her children with Richard Awbrey were Dorothy and Mary, Henry and another child (gender unknown) She and Thomas had a daughter, Elizabeth. When Thomas Gouldman died, she married Peter Ransom. Dorothy North, mother of the above Dorothy and wife of Augustine North, married secondly Daniel Henry. Dorothy Dudley 1696-1751 was the daughter of Richard Dudley and Elizabeth (possibly Saxe).Before August of 1714, she was married to Henry Gatewood. Henry Awbrey- These presents witnesseth that I Sarah Meader widdow wife of Thomas Meader the younger lately deced in the County of Rappahanock I Sarah Meader do bind and oblige myself my exrs. or adms. to confirme unto my son John Meader sone unto Thomas Meader lately deced one yoak of oxen & one gun seaven foot by the barrell to be delivered unto my son John Meader when he comes of age & furthermore I give as my full act & deed unto my eldest daughter Susanna Meader one red cow called Cherry & her cow calf & increase to my aforesaid daughter only excepting the male of the catle to fall unto me the abovesaid Sarah Meader untill my daughter be full eleven years of age & after the expiracon of the aforesaid years male & female to fall unto my eldest daughter Susanna Meader. Item I give unto my youngest daughter Mary Meader daughter of the abovesaid Thomas Meader one Black heaffer named Slippey she & her increase to my youngest only the male excepted to fall unto I the said Sarah Meader untill my youngest Daughter be fully nine years of age & after the Expiracon of the aforesaid nine years male & female to fall unto Mary Meader & if it shall please God that my eldest daughter shall dye in her inority that all her catle & their increase shall fall unto her sister Mary Meader and likewise in case it should pleas God that my youngest daughter Mary Meader should dye in her minority that her catle unto my eldest daughter Susanna Meader & furthermore in case that my youngest daughter Mary Meader her heiffer should miscarry before she comes to perfeccon that there shall another heiffer or cow of the same age & her increse to be made good as aforesaid to my duaghter Mary Meader these premises to be recorded in Court the first or second courte ensuing the date hereof by any person that I the said Sarah Meader shall lappoint always provided that there be severall markes nominate & recorded for the abovesaid Childrens Catle them & their increase. In confirmatcon I Sarah Meader bind my self myheirs for the performance this above menconed & no other act nor deed as Witness my hand this thirteenth day of Aprill 1662. These presents testifieth that I Sarah Meader late wife of Thomas Meader deced in the County of Rappa. oblige my self to give and allowe unto my children a sufficient & compleat maintenance in every respect as all other ought to do and further more to give them four years a peice Education in learning according as the Country doth aford. In Confirmacon whereof I Sarah Medr. do bind & oblige myself my heirs or assignes for the performance of this above menconed as witness my hand & seal this 13th day of Aprill 1662 to write read to to cast accompt Recorded July 12, 1662 Deed Bk 1656-1664, p 187-188 Richard is the only recorded child of Henry Awbrey; the above confirms that Susanna was his step daughter (Susanna per pevious e-mail married 2nd Phillip McGuire), her sister Mary md Col. Francis Gouldman, brother of Thomas Gouldman II who was the 2nd husband of Dorothy (North) Awbrey. In regard to p 357 of Charles Hoppin's "Washington Ancestry"-he is making a lot of false statements. To begin with, it is assumed Henry Awbrey was married before he married Sarah. Secondly, Henry's death is of record. His will is dated Aug 1, 1694. I believe it is recorded in Sept. It follows: In the Name of God Amen, I Henry Awbrey of ye County of Essex in Virginia Gent., being sick and weake in body but of sound and perfect memory, calling to mind the uncertainty of this transitory life, and that all flesh must yield unto death when it shall please God to call, doe make consititute and ordain this my last Will and Testament in manner and forme following: First I give and bequeath my Soule to God that gave it in sure and certaine hope of a joyfull resurrection at the last day and my body to the Earth from whence it came to be decently interr'd after my decease and for what Temporal Estate it hath pleased God to bestow upon me, I give and bequeath as followeth: I give and bequeath to my loveing wife, Mary Awbrey, the Plantation whereon I now live with all the orchards dwellings buildings improvements and all the land belonging to it, she not clearing nor tending any ground beyond the Church Road which now is dureing her naturall life, And after her decease, I give and bequeath the said lands with all imporvements whatsoever unto my Loveing Son, Richard Awbrey and his heirs forever. Item. I give and bequeath unto my Son, Richard Awbrey, seven hundred acres of land more scituate on Hodgkins Creeke being part of that divident of land whereon he now liveth and to the heirs of his body lawfully begotten forever, my Wife not to claime any thirds of the same. Item. I give unto Francis Awbrey the youngest son of my Brother, Jas: Awbrey deced, two hundred acres of land being part of a tract of four hundred acres of land as aforesd. purchased by me of Coll. Hill and to his heires forever Item. Ye other two hundred acres of land scituate as aforesaid, I give and bequeath unto Katherine Long, Daugher of Alice Long also Sheppey deced, to her and her heirs forever Item. I give and bequeath unto my son, Richard Awbrey, one Negro man called Sam; one Negro woman call'd Kate; one Negro boy called Robin, one Negro boy called Nero, one Negro boy called Titus, to him and to the heirs lawfully begotten of his body for ever Item. I will and bequeath unto my loveing wife, Mary Awbrey, five Negroes call'd by the names of Prince, Nanny, Will, Inno & Jenny; likewise I give and bequeath to my wife one silver tankard and three horses call'd by name of Thoroughgood, Smoaker & Mush, with my Cart and wheels and harness belonging to thte same; likewise I will and bequeath to my Wife one halfe of all my Cattle in quantity and quallity Item I give to my Wife one Servt woman called Martha Item I give unto my son, Richard, one Servt., called Miles Dixson Item I will and bequeath unto my wife all my stock of hoggs, she paying after my decease unto my sonn, Richard Awbrey, three barrows or splayd sows yearly for four years, together with all of ye age of three yeare old or more Item I will unto my Wife one halfe of my Sheep in quantity and quallity Item I will and bequeath ye other halfe of my Sheep in quanity and quallity to my son, Richard Awbrey, and to have priviledge to let them remaine here for three years Item ye one halfe my cattle not yet bequeathed, I give to him and his heires forever, likewise I will & bequeath unto my Son my black gelding cal'd Neger, with two saddles, two bridles, pistolls, holsters and all other furniture thereunto belonging Itm. I will likewise unt my son My pendulum Watch; all my wearing clothes both linen and wooling, all my french fald wearing shooes, tockings of all sorts & hatts Item Two feather beds with the furniture belonging to them and six pair of sheets, one pair of and irons, all the parcells of broad cloath for me my owne wearing, with ribbons, silks and other furniture belonging to it, likewise I will and bequeath unto my wife all my serge and stuff except one parsell of sad colloured serge which I give and bequeath unto my son, Richard's wife to make her a gowne and pretty coat, be it more or less Item I will and bequeath unto my Son all my books, my wife haveing choice of three or four for her owne particular use Item My will and desire is that all my kerseyes, cottens, canvasses, fine linen and cowrse that is not made up in garments, plain shoes, irish stockings, and all ye yarn stocking which are kniting be equally divided in quantity and quallity between my wirre and son. Itm. I give and bequeath to unto my Wife three feather beds and furniture, one new feather bed ticking with boulster and pillow ticking, all ye table linen with all the rest of ye Sheets not before bequeathed. Itm. I give unto my Wife all the furniture belonging to the house as bedsteads chairs chests, all the pewter, brass, iron potts & irons except one desk and one chest in the old Dwelling House loft, which I give to my son Richard. I give unto my Son, Richard's daughter, Mary, after my Wifes decease, six large pewter dishes. Itm. It is my will and desire that my Executors hereafter named be dilligent and carefull in the prosecution of ye dwelling house which is to be built by Jon: Milbourne according to agreement Itm. My desire is that the Brass Dyall be set up on this Plantacon and not hereafter to be removed Item. My will is that all ye Woole in the house be equally divided between my Wife and my Son. Itm. My will is that my Boat be sold and the produce be equally divided between my wife and son, likewise two Mares one branded HA and the other HG I give equalaly to my wife and my son Itm. My will & desire is that before any division be made of ye Sheep after my decease yt. Robert Brooke, Son of Robert Brooke have four ews out of ye Sheep. Item. It is my will and desire tht imediately after my decease my Executors draw bills on Mr. Robert Bristow Jr., for 4000 pounds to be paid Mr. Will: Howell, Mercht and take in my bond, lastly I make constitute & ordaine my loveing son Richard Awbrey, and my loving Wife Mary Awbrey joynt Exectors of my Last Will and Testament.... Note that Francis Awbrey is referred to as the youngest son of his deceased brother, James. According to infromation called the Aubrey Family History by Walton L. Aubrey, Henry, James, and John were the sons of Sir William Aubrey of Abercynfrig, Brecknockshire, South Wales. He died 1631 Brecon, South Wales. It reports that he married Elizabeth Johns. I don't have any further info on James. John married Jane (?) and the children I have for him is as follows: Elizabeth, John, Francis, and Sarah. (I don't know if I have made a mistake in connecting Francis to him or there is indeed another Francis-I will have to recheck the records) John died Sept 28, 1692 in Westmoreland Co, VA. The only place I can see where there could have been a Dorothy Awbrey is the child whose gender I don't have (child of Dorothy North and Richard Awbrey) which of course, makes sense with what you are saying. And, if she did stay with relatives, it would have had to be cousins rather than Henry's brothers as both were deceased by the time Richard Awbrey died. I checked my old database and found John Wright, son of Francis Wright and Anne Washington. I have a notation that the source gave Dorothy Awbrey md ca 1706 and that she died by 1739 in Prince William Co., VA. But I never knew where to link her either. It seems plausible to me that this Dorothy could have been the grandchild of either James or John, rather than Henry. However, John did a great deal of interacting as a witness etc. for Henry in Old Rappahannock. I don't have too many records on Westmoreland but I am sure that Henrys name also shows in the records for Westmoreland. Hope this helps clarify some things. Jean malinda wrote: > Hello Patrick, > > You've obviously put a lot of effort into these findings and I appreciate it. > > I would like to pick your brains a bit more if that's agreeable with you. I'm > going to post some material by a genealogist who is considered credible to the > point of official recognition by the National Society of Washington Family > Descendants . He is a source for "proving in" applications to the NSWFD. > That doesn't mean he couldn't be wrong about some things...it's just to > "calibrate" you on the nature of the source in case you're unfamiliar with > Charles Arthur Hoppin. > > In fact, a descendant of John4 Wright's son Francis5 , might have just > demonstrably proved that there were two different Wm5 Wrights who have been > morphed into one individual by genealogists ...including Hoppin....due to > some information he says wasn't available to them at the time...but is available now.) > > Anyway......I would appreciate it if you would give the material below your > thoughtful consideration and tell me your view. > > I just checked in Charles Hoppin's "Washington Ancestry" Vol 1(pub 1932) > and on page 366, he comments on "the marriage (about 1705) of John3 > {Francis2,Richard1Wrigh} to a Dorothy, probably Dorothy Awbrey....The exact date > is not recorded as the records of marriage licenses, and bonds, and of the parish > churches for Westmoreland are lost.Other records indicate the fact of the > marriage. It has required exhaustive search and study to determine the identity of > John3 Wright's wife Dorothy, because of the prevalence in the Northern Neck of > women named Dorothy. Seventeen Dorothys of marriageable age, circa 1705, > appear in the records. The surnames of these Dorothys were Ransone, Gouldman, > Armstrong, Henry, Ripley, Dudley, Gatewood, Smith, Baughan, Durham, Strother, > Maclanan, Abbott, and Awbrey. No one of these Dorothys, save the last, extant > records show, could be the Dorothy who married John3 Wright." Hoppin goes on > to say at the end of the same page that "The Awbreys and Gouldmans in old > Rappahannock were relate; when and exactly how we have not stopped to ascertain. > The connection seems to have been by a marriage between children of Henry Awbrey > and Thomas Gouldman, perhaps by the latter's son Francis Gouldman on one side." > > name, together with dates of their deaths in Virginia, have not been found. Their > children,On page 367 of the same book, "Mr. Henry Awbrey married in England a wife whose > > however, are clearly recorded--Richard, John, Francis, a daughter who > married Philip Maguire, and, perhaps another daughter who married Mr. Francis > Gouldman. Our particular interest is in the son Richard2Awbrey, as he was the father > of > Dorothy3 Awbrey who, it is believed married about 1705 John3 Wright." > > The 1697 will of Richard Awbrey names daughter Dorothy ..no married name is indicated > for either Dorothy or dau Mary.. but of course this is before Dorothy's presumed 1705 > marriage to John3 Wright . "To Mr. Francis Gouldman, a ring. To my Sister Maguire a > ring, > To Philip Maguire a mixt Kersey". ...still page367. Mr. Francis Gouldman and Mr. > Thomas > Grigson are listed in the will as overseers . And of course, "To my Brother John > Meador, > weareing Cloaths etc." > > Hoppin goes on to discuss the connection between Francis Awbrey and the Wright > family. > On page 368, Hoppin indicates that both Francis Awbrey and John3 Wright "were near > neighbors on the Machotic in Westmoreland" and made land purchases in the part of > Stafford Co that would become Prince Wm Co, ultimately removing there from > Westmoreland Co and becoming Justices of both Stafford and the newly formed Prince > Wm Co. Although many of the records prior to 1731 are lost, "the record of the > apppointment by the Governor and Council of Virginia, on April 27, 1731, of the first > justices of the new county of Prince William, is preserved, revealing that this > Francis > Awbrey was appointed to be one of the quorum of those first justices. Thus becomes > obvious the fact that it was more or less through Francis Awbrey's influence...that > the > young son aged about twenty-three, John4 Wright, of this Aubrey's newly-widowed > niece, Dorothy(Awbrey) Wright, was chosen as a minor member of the same staff of > justices then appointed--chosen in lieu of her husband John3 Wright, who died a few > months before the erection of the new county of Prince William after having been one > of the movers, during several previous years, for it's creation." > > Of course, there was precedent for doing this in the Wright family...John4 Wright was > the 4th generation in his family (in the Colonies) to play the roles of Sheriff and > Justice > and lawyer. In the Wright's native Yorkshire, they had traditionally been Sheriffs and > > High Sheriffs in the "modern medieval" era that preceded the Colonial era. > > And this was a role that Justice John4 Wright fulfilled thoughout his long life...for > some 70 years when he was into his 90s. They had reason to have confidence in > him....the other 3 generations of Wrights before him had also assumed the mantle of > this identical sort of responsibility quite capably at a similar young age. He groomed > > his own sons for this role as well. But I digress. > > Back to Hoppin ..... > > Still page 368, " Francis Awbrey, Gent., was appointed Sheriff of Prince William > County on June 13, 1739. [ Virginia Council Journal]. His niece, Dorothy (Awbrey) > Wright, pre-deceased him in that county, dying intestate." > > He mentions a few other points to ponder...i.e. the fact that Francis Awbrey and his > brother John were the only two Aubreys to cross the Rappahannock into Westmoreland > Co . He further said that it wasn't certain which of her uncle's families little > Dorothy lived > with since she was only aged 10 years at her father's 1697 death, but it was certain > that > she either lived with or visited them and thus became acquainted with their near > neighbor John3 Wright. > > I would love to hear your thoughts after you have had a chance to consider these > findings. > > Thanks a lot ....malinda > > Patrick Cuff wrote: > > > Malinda, > > > > I have figured it out and here it goes: > > > > Sarah [Hoskins]? died 1672-1692. She had 2 husbands and 7 children. > > > > First husband: Thomas Meador b. 1635-1638 VA, d. before April, 1662. > > They were married about 1658-1659. They had 3 children, John, Susannah and Mary. > > > > Her second husband was Henry Awbrey. They were married 1662-1664. They had one > > child, Richard Awbrey. When Sarah [Hoskins]? died, Henry married a second time. > > This time to a woman named Mary. > > > > Richard Awbrey, son of Sarah [Hoskins]? and Henry Awbrey, married Dorothy North, > > daughter of Augustine and Dorothy North. Richard was b. about 1664 and d. 1697 > > Essex Co., VA. They had 4 children: Mary, Henry II, Dorothy, and child. Dorothy > > had a total of 3 husbands. The order was unknown. Her other husbands were Thomas > > Gouldman II and Peter Ransome. > > > > Dorothy Awbrey, daughter of Richard Awbrey and Dorothy North, married John Billups > > before 1718. Dorothy Awbrey was born about 1687. > > > > To sum it up, Dorothy Meador never married Richard Awbrey. It was Dorothy North, > > of no known relation to Richard, who married him. John Meador, husband of > > Elizabeth White, and Richard Awbrey were "brothers" because they were in fact > > half-brothers. They shared the same mother. > > > > Dorothy Meador is infact a daughter of Thomas Meadors but there is no record of > > her ever marrying. > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > Patrick Cuff > > ==== MEADOR Mailing List ==== > The Owner of the MEADOR-L & MEADOR-D List is Butch Miller > [email protected]

Hello Patrick, You've obviously put a lot of effort into these findings and I appreciate it. I would like to pick your brains a bit more if that's agreeable with you. I'm going to post some material by a genealogist who is considered credible to the point of official recognition by the National Society of Washington Family Descendants . He is a source for "proving in" applications to the NSWFD. That doesn't mean he couldn't be wrong about some things...it's just to "calibrate" you on the nature of the source in case you're unfamiliar with Charles Arthur Hoppin. In fact, a descendant of John4 Wright's son Francis5 , might have just demonstrably proved that there were two different Wm5 Wrights who have been morphed into one individual by genealogists ...including Hoppin....due to some information he says wasn't available to them at the time...but is available now.) Anyway......I would appreciate it if you would give the material below your thoughtful consideration and tell me your view. I just checked in Charles Hoppin's "Washington Ancestry" Vol 1(pub 1932) and on page 366, he comments on "the marriage (about 1705) of John3 {Francis2,Richard1Wrigh} to a Dorothy, probably Dorothy Awbrey....The exact date is not recorded as the records of marriage licenses, and bonds, and of the parish churches for Westmoreland are lost.Other records indicate the fact of the marriage. It has required exhaustive search and study to determine the identity of John3 Wright's wife Dorothy, because of the prevalence in the Northern Neck of women named Dorothy. Seventeen Dorothys of marriageable age, circa 1705, appear in the records. The surnames of these Dorothys were Ransone, Gouldman, Armstrong, Henry, Ripley, Dudley, Gatewood, Smith, Baughan, Durham, Strother, Maclanan, Abbott, and Awbrey. No one of these Dorothys, save the last, extant records show, could be the Dorothy who married John3 Wright." Hoppin goes on to say at the end of the same page that "The Awbreys and Gouldmans in old Rappahannock were relate; when and exactly how we have not stopped to ascertain. The connection seems to have been by a marriage between children of Henry Awbrey and Thomas Gouldman, perhaps by the latter's son Francis Gouldman on one side." On page 367 of the same book, "Mr. Henry Awbrey married in England a wife whose name, together with dates of their deaths in Virginia, have not been found. Their children, however, are clearly recorded--Richard, John, Francis, a daughter who married Philip Maguire, and, perhaps another daughter who married Mr. Francis Gouldman. Our particular interest is in the son Richard2Awbrey, as he was the father of Dorothy3 Awbrey who, it is believed married about 1705 John3 Wright." The 1697 will of Richard Awbrey names daughter Dorothy ..no married name is indicated for either Dorothy or dau Mary.. but of course this is before Dorothy's presumed 1705 marriage to John3 Wright . "To Mr. Francis Gouldman, a ring. To my Sister Maguire a ring, To Philip Maguire a mixt Kersey". ...still page367. Mr. Francis Gouldman and Mr. Thomas Grigson are listed in the will as overseers . And of course, "To my Brother John Meador, weareing Cloaths etc." Hoppin goes on to discuss the connection between Francis Awbrey and the Wright family. On page 368, Hoppin indicates that both Francis Awbrey and John3 Wright "were near neighbors on the Machotic in Westmoreland" and made land purchases in the part of Stafford Co that would become Prince Wm Co, ultimately removing there from Westmoreland Co and becoming Justices of both Stafford and the newly formed Prince Wm Co. Although many of the records prior to 1731 are lost, "the record of the apppointment by the Governor and Council of Virginia, on April 27, 1731, of the first justices of the new county of Prince William, is preserved, revealing that this Francis Awbrey was appointed to be one of the quorum of those first justices. Thus becomes obvious the fact that it was more or less through Francis Awbrey's influence...that the young son aged about twenty-three, John4 Wright, of this Aubrey's newly-widowed niece, Dorothy(Awbrey) Wright, was chosen as a minor member of the same staff of justices then appointed--chosen in lieu of her husband John3 Wright, who died a few months before the erection of the new county of Prince William after having been one of the movers, during several previous years, for it's creation." Of course, there was precedent for doing this in the Wright family...John4 Wright was the 4th generation in his family (in the Colonies) to play the roles of Sheriff and Justice and lawyer. In the Wright's native Yorkshire, they had traditionally been Sheriffs and High Sheriffs in the "modern medieval" era that preceded the Colonial era. And this was a role that Justice John4 Wright fulfilled thoughout his long life...for some 70 years when he was into his 90s. They had reason to have confidence in him....the other 3 generations of Wrights before him had also assumed the mantle of this identical sort of responsibility quite capably at a similar young age. He groomed his own sons for this role as well. But I digress. Back to Hoppin ..... Still page 368, " Francis Awbrey, Gent., was appointed Sheriff of Prince William County on June 13, 1739. [ Virginia Council Journal]. His niece, Dorothy (Awbrey) Wright, pre-deceased him in that county, dying intestate." He mentions a few other points to ponder...i.e. the fact that Francis Awbrey and his brother John were the only two Aubreys to cross the Rappahannock into Westmoreland Co . He further said that it wasn't certain which of her uncle's families little Dorothy lived with since she was only aged 10 years at her father's 1697 death, but it was certain that she either lived with or visited them and thus became acquainted with their near neighbor John3 Wright. I would love to hear your thoughts after you have had a chance to consider these findings. Thanks a lot ....malinda Patrick Cuff wrote: > Malinda, > > I have figured it out and here it goes: > > Sarah [Hoskins]? died 1672-1692. She had 2 husbands and 7 children. > > First husband: Thomas Meador b. 1635-1638 VA, d. before April, 1662. > They were married about 1658-1659. They had 3 children, John, Susannah and Mary. > > Her second husband was Henry Awbrey. They were married 1662-1664. They had one > child, Richard Awbrey. When Sarah [Hoskins]? died, Henry married a second time. > This time to a woman named Mary. > > Richard Awbrey, son of Sarah [Hoskins]? and Henry Awbrey, married Dorothy North, > daughter of Augustine and Dorothy North. Richard was b. about 1664 and d. 1697 > Essex Co., VA. They had 4 children: Mary, Henry II, Dorothy, and child. Dorothy > had a total of 3 husbands. The order was unknown. Her other husbands were Thomas > Gouldman II and Peter Ransome. > > Dorothy Awbrey, daughter of Richard Awbrey and Dorothy North, married John Billups > before 1718. Dorothy Awbrey was born about 1687. > > To sum it up, Dorothy Meador never married Richard Awbrey. It was Dorothy North, > of no known relation to Richard, who married him. John Meador, husband of > Elizabeth White, and Richard Awbrey were "brothers" because they were in fact > half-brothers. They shared the same mother. > > Dorothy Meador is infact a daughter of Thomas Meadors but there is no record of > her ever marrying. > > I hope this helps. > > Patrick Cuff

Malinda, I have figured it out and here it goes: Sarah [Hoskins]? died 1672-1692. She had 2 husbands and 7 children. First husband: Thomas Meador b. 1635-1638 VA, d. before April, 1662. They were married about 1658-1659. They had 3 children, John, Susannah and Mary. Her second husband was Henry Awbrey. They were married 1662-1664. They had one child, Richard Awbrey. When Sarah [Hoskins]? died, Henry married a second time. This time to a woman named Mary. Richard Awbrey, son of Sarah [Hoskins]? and Henry Awbrey, married Dorothy North, daughter of Augustine and Dorothy North. Richard was b. about 1664 and d. 1697 Essex Co., VA. They had 4 children: Mary, Henry II, Dorothy, and child. Dorothy had a total of 3 husbands. The order was unknown. Her other husbands were Thomas Gouldman II and Peter Ransome. Dorothy Awbrey, daughter of Richard Awbrey and Dorothy North, married John Billups before 1718. Dorothy Awbrey was born about 1687. To sum it up, Dorothy Meador never married Richard Awbrey. It was Dorothy North, of no known relation to Richard, who married him. John Meador, husband of Elizabeth White, and Richard Awbrey were "brothers" because they were in fact half-brothers. They shared the same mother. Dorothy Meador is infact a daughter of Thomas Meadors but there is no record of her ever marrying. I hope this helps. Patrick Cuff

Hello Patrick, I am a descendant of Richard Awbrey & his wife via their daughter Dorothy Awbrey who married John Wright s/o Major Francis Wright & Anne Washington. I would like to see more of what you have on the lady who appears to be my new 8th great grandmother....Dorothy North ? I've been wondering why Dorothy Meador showed up on some charts and not others as a daughter of Thomas Meadors . I also saw a report that said Sarah Hoskins first married Thomas Meadors (father of Dorothy Meadors) and 2nd married Henry Awbrey (father of Richard Awbrey)...which would have made a marriage between the two half-siblings totally unacceptable in terms of canon law and probably unacceptable in terms of civil law of the time as well. Thank you for posting this......malinda Patrick Cuff wrote: > I just found in my copy of "Our Meador Families in Colonial America" by > Victor P. Meador and Bernal M. Meador (1986), page 39. It states "When > Richard Awbrey (the one the first email was about) made his will, which was > probated October 11, 1697, he named John Meador as 'brother.' Considerable > speculation has arisen about the exact nature of this relationship. Some > have said that John Meador (for his second wife) could have married a > daughter of Henry Awbrey and thus a sister to Richard. No such daughter of > Henry Awbrey has been documented. Another speculation has been that > Richard's wife, Dorothy was a sister of John Meador. Nor has such a sister > been found. In actuality, Richard's wife was Dorothy North, daughter of > Augustine North. > > Sources given: > For will (Essex Co. Deeds, etc. No. 9, p. 127) > For Richard's wife as Dorothy North ("Winstons of Virginia") by Clayton > Torrence, p. 174) > > I hope this helps. It shows and documents that the ancestor was not a > Dorothy Meador but a Dorothy North, daughter of Augustine and Dorothy North. > > I have more information on Dorothy north and her 2nd and 3rd husbands. If > you truly believe she was Dorothy Meador, please send me your lineage. > > Patrick Cuff > > Patrick Cuff wrote: > > > The Dorothy Meador you speak of is my 8th great aunt. I have no > > information about her except her birthdate, 1656. > > The following are the Awbreys/Aubreys in my file and their relationship > > to me: > > > > Ann Aubrey 1678-Oct. 17,1721 Essex Co., VA, 2nd wife of John Meador Sr. > > 1659 to November 21, 1721 Essex Co., VA. married Dec. 16. 1694. She is > > my 8th greatgrandmother. She is the above Dorothy's sister-in-law. > > > > Henry Awbrey, 2nd husband of Sarah Hoskins 1637-1682, widow of Thomas > > Meador Jr.1635-Apr 1662. Henry and Sarah were married about 1662. I > > show no children for Sarah and Henry. He was my > > 9thgreatstepgrandfather. He was Dorothy's step father. > > > > I will search my Meador books and see what else I can find on the > > Awbreys/Aubreys. > > > > Patrick Cuff > > > > malinda wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I'm a new subscriber and thought I'd post my interest area. > > > I'm a descendant of Dorothy Meador (b abt 1656) who married > > > Richard Awbrey of Essex Co VA. > > > > > > Their daughter, Dorothy Awbrey, married John Wright > > > > > > Any connections ? > > > malinda jones > > > > > > ==== MEADOR Mailing List ==== > > > The Owner of the MEADOR-L & MEADOR-D List is Butch Miller > > > [email protected] > > > > ==== MEADOR Mailing List ==== > > The Owner of the MEADOR-L & MEADOR-D List is Butch Miller > > [email protected] > > ==== MEADOR Mailing List ==== > The Owner of the MEADOR-L & MEADOR-D List is Butch Miller > [email protected]

Patrick, Thank you very much for your reply...I sure was hoping this was the break in our quest for a name [with sources]... back to the drawing board, right? Thanks also for the reference on the date of death.... Doris....A Texan in Georgia; Still shaking the family tree, and dodging the nuts after 35+years! <Member IBSSG> -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Cuff [mailto:[email protected]] Subject: [Fwd: [MEADOR-L] Dorothy Meador] Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 18:40:07 -0500 From: Patrick Cuff <[email protected]> To: D J Peirce <[email protected]> Doris, I checked Victor's book cited earlier. It gives several records sources in Essex counties that prove he had a second wife. It states "the name of his second wife cannot be determined." So giving Ann Aubrey as the 2nd wife's name is just another atempt to tie in the families and I fell for the trap. I will correct the mistake immediately on my file. Also, John's will was created on October 17, 1721 and presented for probate on Nov. 21, 1721 according to Essex Co. Will Book 3, p. 284. D J Peirce wrote: > Patrick, > Would you be willing to give your source for the marriage of John Meador Sr > to Ann Aubrey? I've seen many Meador researchers (of this line) who claim > there is no basis for this, and that the only connection is through the > marriage of Sarah Hoskins to Henry Aubrey/Awbrey. > It would be great to have the proof of it. > Also, I show the date of death for John Meador Sr as 14 May 1721, where you > have > 21 Nov 1721...could it be that the May date was the date of the will, Nov > the date of death....or perhaps May the date of death & Nov the date of > Probate..? > They're so close together, I'd wonder if that might be the case.... > > Doris....A Texan in Georgia;

In Our Meador Families of Colonial Virginia, p 37-38, Victor goes into quite a bit of speculation and stating of facts regarding property that was owned by Thomas Meads (son of Thomas)and Thomas Meador (son of Ambrose Meador) in regard to Sarah who married Henry Awbrey. That is all really for another discussion as I am not ready to accept that Thomas Meades is the father of Sarah's son, John Sr. However, the point I wanted to make is that on p. 39 he states the following: "It appears quite certain that Richard Awbrey was the son of Sarah, because in a deed in 1675 Henry gave his son Richard a year-old mare called 'Bonny until said Richard be 14 years of age.' Thus, Richard would have been born after 1661-1662, when Henry and Sarah were apparently married." I have found the following information: The Power of Attorney below shows that they were married by 1664. In April of 1662, she still shows up in the records as Sarah Meador when she is given guardianship of her orphan children. This, as Victor implies, would indicate that John Meador Sr. was half-brother to Richard Awbrey and the reason that he was referred to as "brother" in Richard's will. Feb 27, 1664 Be it known unto all men that I Henry Awberry of Hoskins Creek in the County of Rappa. which is in Virga. have made & in my stead constituted my welbeloved wife Sarah Awbry my true and lawful Attorney irrevocable for me & in my name & to my use to ask & receave all & singular such debts sums of money of tobacco as are or shall be due unto me sd Henry Awbrey by any person whatsoever giveing unto my sd Attorney for me & in my name to answethe suit or complaint of any persons that shall be commenced agst me & upon trial thereof to satifie & discharge taking sufficient discharges for teh same likewise giving my sd Attorney full power for me to sue arrest implead condemn & imprizon every persons as are or shall be indebted unto me & at her will & pleasure such persons out of Prizon to deliver & upon receipt of any Sums of Money or Tabacco to my use to be received of any persons as aforesaid acquittances or other lawfull discharges to make seale & deliver & every other thing which shall be requisite to be done about the premises the same to do as fully as I my self might do if I were there personally present holding firme & stable all & whatsoever my sd Attorney shall do about the premises Given under my hand this 27th day of February 1664. Witnesses: John Gregory John Awbrey Ralph Fletcher Also, you will note that Richard Awbrey in his will named Phillip McGuire and his sister (Richard's) Susanna as legatees as well as John Meador Sr. Susanna was Susanna Meador, John's sister and Phillip McGuire was her second husband. Her first husband was John Evans. Richard Awbrey was God father to her daughter, Elizabeth Evans. Anyway, it would appear that the connection really is totally through Sarah's marriage to Henry. My question is the documentation that Sarah was Sarah Hoskins? I haven't researched that part and would appreciate the information. Jean Patrick Cuff wrote: > I just found in my copy of "Our Meador Families in Colonial America" by > Victor P. Meador and Bernal M. Meador (1986), page 39. It states "When > Richard Awbrey (the one the first email was about) made his will, which was > probated October 11, 1697, he named John Meador as 'brother.' Considerable > speculation has arisen about the exact nature of this relationship. Some > have said that John Meador (for his second wife) could have married a > daughter of Henry Awbrey and thus a sister to Richard. No such daughter of > Henry Awbrey has been documented. Another speculation has been that > Richard's wife, Dorothy was a sister of John Meador. Nor has such a sister > been found. In actuality, Richard's wife was Dorothy North, daughter of > Augustine North. > > Sources given: > For will (Essex Co. Deeds, etc. No. 9, p. 127) > For Richard's wife as Dorothy North ("Winstons of Virginia") by Clayton > Torrence, p. 174) > > I hope this helps. It shows and documents that the ancestor was not a > Dorothy Meador but a Dorothy North, daughter of Augustine and Dorothy North. > > I have more information on Dorothy north and her 2nd and 3rd husbands. If > you truly believe she was Dorothy Meador, please send me your lineage. > > Patrick Cuff > > Patrick Cuff wrote: > > > The Dorothy Meador you speak of is my 8th great aunt. I have no > > information about her except her birthdate, 1656. > > The following are the Awbreys/Aubreys in my file and their relationship > > to me: > > > > Ann Aubrey 1678-Oct. 17,1721 Essex Co., VA, 2nd wife of John Meador Sr. > > 1659 to November 21, 1721 Essex Co., VA. married Dec. 16. 1694. She is > > my 8th greatgrandmother. She is the above Dorothy's sister-in-law. > > > > Henry Awbrey, 2nd husband of Sarah Hoskins 1637-1682, widow of Thomas > > Meador Jr.1635-Apr 1662. Henry and Sarah were married about 1662. I > > show no children for Sarah and Henry. He was my > > 9thgreatstepgrandfather. He was Dorothy's step father. > > > > I will search my Meador books and see what else I can find on the > > Awbreys/Aubreys. > > > > Patrick Cuff > > > > malinda wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I'm a new subscriber and thought I'd post my interest area. > > > I'm a descendant of Dorothy Meador (b abt 1656) who married > > > Richard Awbrey of Essex Co VA. > > > > > > Their daughter, Dorothy Awbrey, married John Wright > > > > > > Any connections ? > > > malinda jones > > > > > > ==== MEADOR Mailing List ==== > > > The Owner of the MEADOR-L & MEADOR-D List is Butch Miller > > > [email protected] > > > > ==== MEADOR Mailing List ==== > > The Owner of the MEADOR-L & MEADOR-D List is Butch Miller > > [email protected] > > ==== MEADOR Mailing List ==== > The Owner of the MEADOR-L & MEADOR-D List is Butch Miller > [email protected]

Patrick, Would you be willing to give your source for the marriage of John Meador Sr to Ann Aubrey? I've seen many Meador researchers (of this line) who claim there is no basis for this, and that the only connection is through the marriage of Sarah Hoskins to Henry Aubrey/Awbrey. It would be great to have the proof of it. Also, I show the date of death for John Meador Sr as 14 May 1721, where you have 21 Nov 1721...could it be that the May date was the date of the will, Nov the date of death....or perhaps May the date of death & Nov the date of Probate..? They're so close together, I'd wonder if that might be the case.... Doris....A Texan in Georgia; Still shaking the family tree, and dodging the nuts after 35+years! <Member IBSSG> -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Cuff [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 6:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MEADOR-L] Dorothy Meador The Dorothy Meador you speak of is my 8th great aunt. I have no information about her except her birthdate, 1656. The following are the Awbreys/Aubreys in my file and their relationship to me: Ann Aubrey 1678-Oct. 17,1721 Essex Co., VA, 2nd wife of John Meador Sr. 1659 to November 21, 1721 Essex Co., VA. married Dec. 16. 1694. She is my 8th greatgrandmother. She is the above Dorothy's sister-in-law. Henry Awbrey, 2nd husband of Sarah Hoskins 1637-1682, widow of Thomas Meador Jr.1635-Apr 1662. Henry and Sarah were married about 1662. I show no children for Sarah and Henry. He was my 9thgreatstepgrandfather. He was Dorothy's step father. I will search my Meador books and see what else I can find on the Awbreys/Aubreys. Patrick Cuff malinda wrote: > Hello, > > I'm a new subscriber and thought I'd post my interest area. > I'm a descendant of Dorothy Meador (b abt 1656) who married > Richard Awbrey of Essex Co VA. > > Their daughter, Dorothy Awbrey, married John Wright > > Any connections ? > malinda jones > > ==== MEADOR Mailing List ==== > The Owner of the MEADOR-L & MEADOR-D List is Butch Miller > [email protected] ==== MEADOR Mailing List ==== The Owner of the MEADOR-L & MEADOR-D List is Butch Miller [email protected]

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------270307CD0A21FFD96CA1210C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------270307CD0A21FFD96CA1210C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 18:40:07 -0500 From: Patrick Cuff <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Southwestern Bell Internet Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-SBI-NC472 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: D J Peirce <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MEADOR-L] Dorothy Meador References: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doris, I checked Victor's book cited earlier. It gives several records sources in Essex counties that prove he had a second wife. It states "the name of his second wife cannot be determined." So giving Ann Aubrey as the 2nd wife's name is just another atempt to tie in the families and I fell for the trap. I will correct the mistake immediately on my file. Also, John's will was created on October 17, 1721 and presented for probate on Nov. 21, 1721 according to Essex Co. Will Book 3, p. 284. D J Peirce wrote: > Patrick, > Would you be willing to give your source for the marriage of John Meador Sr > to Ann Aubrey? I've seen many Meador researchers (of this line) who claim > there is no basis for this, and that the only connection is through the > marriage of Sarah Hoskins to Henry Aubrey/Awbrey. > It would be great to have the proof of it. > Also, I show the date of death for John Meador Sr as 14 May 1721, where you > have > 21 Nov 1721...could it be that the May date was the date of the will, Nov > the date of death....or perhaps May the date of death & Nov the date of > Probate..? > They're so close together, I'd wonder if that might be the case.... > > Doris....A Texan in Georgia; > Still shaking the family tree, > and dodging the nuts after 35+years! > <Member IBSSG> > > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Cuff [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 6:12 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MEADOR-L] Dorothy Meador > > The Dorothy Meador you speak of is my 8th great aunt. I have no > information about her except her birthdate, 1656. > The following are the Awbreys/Aubreys in my file and their relationship > to me: > > Ann Aubrey 1678-Oct. 17,1721 Essex Co., VA, 2nd wife of John Meador Sr. > 1659 to November 21, 1721 Essex Co., VA. married Dec. 16. 1694. She is > my 8th greatgrandmother. She is the above Dorothy's sister-in-law. > > Henry Awbrey, 2nd husband of Sarah Hoskins 1637-1682, widow of Thomas > Meador Jr.1635-Apr 1662. Henry and Sarah were married about 1662. I > show no children for Sarah and Henry. He was my > 9thgreatstepgrandfather. He was Do

I just found in my copy of "Our Meador Families in Colonial America" by Victor P. Meador and Bernal M. Meador (1986), page 39. It states "When Richard Awbrey (the one the first email was about) made his will, which was probated October 11, 1697, he named John Meador as 'brother.' Considerable speculation has arisen about the exact nature of this relationship. Some have said that John Meador (for his second wife) could have married a daughter of Henry Awbrey and thus a sister to Richard. No such daughter of Henry Awbrey has been documented. Another speculation has been that Richard's wife, Dorothy was a sister of John Meador. Nor has such a sister been found. In actuality, Richard's wife was Dorothy North, daughter of Augustine North. Sources given: For will (Essex Co. Deeds, etc. No. 9, p. 127) For Richard's wife as Dorothy North ("Winstons of Virginia") by Clayton Torrence, p. 174) I hope this helps. It shows and documents that the ancestor was not a Dorothy Meador but a Dorothy North, daughter of Augustine and Dorothy North. I have more information on Dorothy north and her 2nd and 3rd husbands. If you truly believe she was Dorothy Meador, please send me your lineage. Patrick Cuff Patrick Cuff wrote: > The Dorothy Meador you speak of is my 8th great aunt. I have no > information about her except her birthdate, 1656. > The following are the Awbreys/Aubreys in my file and their relationship > to me: > > Ann Aubrey 1678-Oct. 17,1721 Essex Co., VA, 2nd wife of John Meador Sr. > 1659 to November 21, 1721 Essex Co., VA. married Dec. 16. 1694. She is > my 8th greatgrandmother. She is the above Dorothy's sister-in-law. > > Henry Awbrey, 2nd husband of Sarah Hoskins 1637-1682, widow of Thomas > Meador Jr.1635-Apr 1662. Henry and Sarah were married about 1662. I > show no children for Sarah and Henry. He was my > 9thgreatstepgrandfather. He was Dorothy's step father. > > I will search my Meador books and see what else I can find on the > Awbreys/Aubreys. > > Patrick Cuff > > malinda wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I'm a new subscriber and thought I'd post my interest area. > > I'm a descendant of Dorothy Meador (b abt 1656) who married > > Richard Awbrey of Essex Co VA. > > > > Their daughter, Dorothy Awbrey, married John Wright > > > > Any connections ? > > malinda jones > > > > ==== MEADOR Mailing List ==== > > The Owner of the MEADOR-L & MEADOR-D List is Butch Miller > > [email protected] > > ==== MEADOR Mailing List ==== > The Owner of the MEADOR-L & MEADOR-D List is Butch Miller > [email protected]

The Dorothy Meador you speak of is my 8th great aunt. I have no information about her except her birthdate, 1656. The following are the Awbreys/Aubreys in my file and their relationship to me: Ann Aubrey 1678-Oct. 17,1721 Essex Co., VA, 2nd wife of John Meador Sr. 1659 to November 21, 1721 Essex Co., VA. married Dec. 16. 1694. She is my 8th greatgrandmother. She is the above Dorothy's sister-in-law. Henry Awbrey, 2nd husband of Sarah Hoskins 1637-1682, widow of Thomas Meador Jr.1635-Apr 1662. Henry and Sarah were married about 1662. I show no children for Sarah and Henry. He was my 9thgreatstepgrandfather. He was Dorothy's step father. I will search my Meador books and see what else I can find on the Awbreys/Aubreys. Patrick Cuff malinda wrote: > Hello, > > I'm a new subscriber and thought I'd post my interest area. > I'm a descendant of Dorothy Meador (b abt 1656) who married > Richard Awbrey of Essex Co VA. > > Their daughter, Dorothy Awbrey, married John Wright > > Any connections ? > malinda jones > > ==== MEADOR Mailing List ==== > The Owner of the MEADOR-L & MEADOR-D List is Butch Miller > [email protected]

Hello, I'm a new subscriber and thought I'd post my interest area. I'm a descendant of Dorothy Meador (b abt 1656) who married Richard Awbrey of Essex Co VA. Their daughter, Dorothy Awbrey, married John Wright Any connections ? malinda jones