In a message dated 10/13/2004 9:18:47 AM US Mountain Standard Time, lrbrant@concentric.net writes: Roger there are a couple estate distributions for Eve and Henry Startzman who had 9 children - they died in the 1820's so they are likely a generation back from John. I have some of their children from the information. There are 18 Startzman grooms and 11 brides in the marriage index, so there were a few in the county. Let me know if you want this data. Yes, I would as I have some other Startzmans too. Thanks. Roger