Thanks Gordon. That helps. Best, Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 1-760-941-4716 [email protected] Researching McCAULEY, TUCKER, LEDBETTER, GORDON & YOUNG, SANDERS, WILSON, CHRISTIAN, BROWNLEE, SEE, CLEMMER, DETTRO.. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon Crooks To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [MDWashin] Totherow, Clemmer,Jung/Young/Herte families of 1700s Frederick Co, MD Hal: When I go up to western Pennsylvania I cross "Big Pipe Creek", it runs from North to South and route 140 crosses it, either near the border of Carroll County, Md. or actually in Frederick County, Md..The Moncracy River is the devideing line betwwen the two counties. There is both a little pipe and a big pipe and both originate in Pennsylvania up around Hanover, Pa.. They apparently merge and go all the way down to Virginia. My map is not clear where they might merge, but I would guess it to be around or near Frederick, Md. Gordon Crooks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hal McCawley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [MDWashin] Totherow, Clemmer,Jung/Young/Herte families of 1700s Frederick Co, MD > Lauren, I had not heard of "Wrights newspaper extractions" and appreciate > your sending along. > Any idea where "mouth of Pipe Creek where it runs into the Moncasy" is > located? > I had seen the "baseborn child " report before but unable to ID Mary Cyder > or the child! > Also unable to connect this John Tutteraw into my TUTTERO/DUTTRO... tree > but satisfied he belongs there somewhere. > How could I access the "Maryland Chronicle" from afar? > > Best, > Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 1-760-941-4716 > [email protected] > Researching SEE, CLEMMER, DETTRO/TOTHEROW, YOUNG/JUNG, HERTE.. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lauren Brantner > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 10:17 AM > Subject: Re: [MDWashin] Totherow, Clemmer,Jung/Young/Herte families of > 1700s Frederick Co, MD > > > Here is a bit from Wrights newspaper extractions > > Maryland Chronicle > April 4, 1787 > > "Conrad Dotterer, living at the mouth of Pipe Creek where it runs into > the Moncasy...." It goes on to describe his German indentured servant who > has run away. > > Same paper April 25, 1787 > "Conrad Dotterer forwards(forwarns?)persons that he will not will not pay > bond passed to John Shroyer many years ago in consideration of a piece of > land for which he hath not conveyed." > > Frederick Independent Volunteer > March 16, 1808 > > "I inform the public that some time ago Benjamin Biggs did come to Conrad > Dotteror's house and made mention that if he did not withdraw the suits he > had against his brothers, he would receive considerable damage in future; > and since that time the said Mr. Dotterer has had three three barns burnt. > I caution all persons agnst offending William Biggs, Frederick Biggs and > Jos. Biggs for said Biggs have taken Mr. Dotterer's rails & etc. - Jacob > Grace." > > There are quite a few Duddero etc in Myers' Marriage Records of Frederick > County with the following spellings: Dudderer, Duddero, Dutterar, Duttero, > Tutterer and Tutterow. > > In Rice's This Was the Life there is a case before the November court of > 1760 against John Tutteraw "for getting a baseborn child on the body of > Mary Cyder by information of said Mary." > > >From Passano's Source Records of Maryland > Dutrow - History of Frederick County by Williams > Tombstone inscriptions. Some descendants of Philip Duttera (or Dotterer). > 1934, Lutheran Cemetery, Middletown, Ferderick Co. p. 135; Mt. Olivet > Cemeter, Frederick Co. p. 135 - Maryland Historical Society. > > >From Brumbaugh's Maryland Records > > Voting list Pres. Election of 1796 for Fred. County > Balser Dutrow > Michael Dutrow > George Dutrow > Jacob Dutrow > John Dutrow > Conrad Dutrow Jr. > Conrad Dutrow (3 entries)d > > Lauren Brantner > > > > > > --- On Mon, 8/1/11, Hal McCawley <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Hal McCawley <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [MDWashin] Totherow, Clemmer, Jung/Young/Herte families of > 1700s Frederick Co, MD > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: [email protected], [email protected], > [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], > [email protected], "PA Adams-L" <[email protected]>, > [email protected], [email protected], "MDPGEORG-L" > <[email protected]> > > Date: Monday, August 1, 2011, 12:59 PM > > Hi Ray, > > I also have been unable to locate any records > > of Apples predecessor Jacobs/Union Church near Thurmont in > > Frederick Co, MD. It is probable that some of our > > DOTTER.., CLEMMER, HERTE, JUNG/YOUNG families were members > > there at Jacobs/Union after migrating down from Adams co, > > PA. > > The HERTEs are also on my low priority > > "persons of interest" list but have not researched them > > because I see our chances of them helping us as being > > slim?? Maybe some day? > > I corresponded with Ron Dodderer for a decade > > up to 3 or 4 yrs ago when I gave up on him after hearing > > annually that he would publish next yr and hearing numerous > > theories without support. What significant have you > > received from him in recent yrs? > > Thanks again for your continued pursuit. > > Best, > > Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 > > 1-760-941-4716 [email protected] > > Researching McCAULEY, TUCKER, LEDBETTER, GORDON & > > YOUNG, SANDERS, WILSON, CHRISTIAN, BROWNLEE, SEE, > > CLEMMER, DETTRO.. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: [email protected] ; [email protected] > > ; [email protected] ; > > [email protected] > > ; [email protected] > > ; [email protected] > > ; [email protected] > > > > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 8:44 AM > > Subject: Re: Totherow, Clemmer, Jung/Young/Herte > > families of 1700s Frederick Co, MD > > > > > > Dear Hal, > > > > The only Hertes in the church records index is the > > couple I referred to previously, Rutholf and Eva Herte, for > > which Baltzer Toderer served as a baptismal sponsor of one > > of their children in 1781, Here are all the records > > for that couple: > > > > Anna Barbara dau. of > > Rutholf and Eva Herte, b. 22 June 1777, bp. 1 July 1781. > > Sponsor: > > Conrath Lechleider. > > > > Johannes, son of Rutholf > > and Eva Herte, b. 6 Oct. 1778, bp. 1 July 1781. Sponsor: > > Christ. > > Bincke > > > > Rutholf, son of Rutholf > > and Eva Herte, b. 27 Feb1781, bp. 1 July 1781. Sponsor: > > Baltzer > > Toderer > > > > Note that all three of these children were baptized > > on the same date. Perhaps this is about the time the > > couple became associated with Apple's Church. > > > > The name Rutholf (Rudolf) may provide a possible > > clue. Ron Dodderer thinks that Baltzer Toderer had a > > possible Rudolf Dodderer ancester. So, is it possible > > the Dodderers and Hertes were related? > > > > The upper Monocacy settlement was the area along the > > upper reaches of the Monocacy river in which Apple's church > > was situated, north of Thurmont. In 1760, Peter Apple > > deeded an acre of land to three trustees to be used as a > > schoolhouse. In 1768, these trustees redeeded the land > > to officers of a union congregation which had already been > > formed by that time, This original union churh was > > named Jacobs. The first records of this union church, > > which became Apples, did not start until 1773, and Lutheran > > and Reformed records were kept in the same church book.. > > > > Best Regards, > > Ray > > > > On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 19:16:18 -0700 "Hal McCawley" > > <[email protected]> > > writes: > > Thanks Ray for that extensive work on > > Apples... Church Records of Frederick Co, MD. > > We just ret from 2 wks vacation in > > SF/Sacramento area and starting to make a shaky tree of your > > data attached above. > > I had seen some of that data before. > > Your expanded data leaves me hanging but still suspecting > > that my gf Peter YOUNG/JUNG b bef 1777 and Catherine DETTRO > > [d/o Balzer] likely first crossed paths in Apples Church in > > the 1780s bef Balzer TOTHEROW/DETTRO left for Rowan Co, NC > > ca 1784. The Joh. Peter YOUNG listed in your Apples > > data as b 21 Mar 1775 being s/o Wm & Juliana YOUNG is > > the ideal age for my dead end gf Peter that m Balzer's dau > > Catherine in 1802 Rowan Co, NC?? > > Interesting that neither Balzer or the HERTEs > > appear later in the Apple records??? And I don't > > remember seeing the HERTEs in Rowan Co or Lincoln Cos, NC > > records?? > > Did/can you search your new records for the > > HERTE name? > > Do you know where the "Upper Monocracy > > Hundred" was located in Frederick Co, MD? > > So goes genealogy! > > Thanks again for your efforts beyond the > > call! > > You guys and Len are the eldest [most > > persevering] and best [and only!] contacts I have remaining > > for my 1700s DETHRO/CLEMMER/YOUNGs. I hope you all are > > younger than I and in good health!! > > Best, > > Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, > > Oceanside, CA 92056 1-760-941-4716 [email protected] > > Researching McCAULEY, TUCKER, LEDBETTER, > > GORDON & > > YOUNG, SANDERS, WILSON, CHRISTIAN, BROWNLEE, > > SEE, CLEMMER, DETTRO.. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: [email protected] ; [email protected] > > ; [email protected] > > ; [email protected] > > ; [email protected] > > ; [email protected] > > ; [email protected] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 6:41 PM > > Subject: Re: Balzer Totherow > > > > > > Dear Hal, > > > > Guess you think I forgot about this > > request. It's been extremely hot back east for the > > past several weeks, giving me a chance to get caught up on > > inside work. Here is the attached list of all > > Jungs/Youngs/etc. in the referenced church records. > > > > Best Regards, > > Ray > > > > On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:57:57 -0700 "Hal > > McCawley" <[email protected]> > > writes: > > R & A, were there some YOUNG/JUNGs > > in those records? > > Our Peter YOUNG's fam may also have > > passed through that ch?? > > Indeed, that may have been where Peter > > YOUNG & Catherine DETTRO first met across the board in > > the church??? > > Best, > > Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, > > Oceanside, CA 92056 1-760-941-4716 [email protected] > > Researching McCAULEY, TUCKER, > > LEDBETTER, GORDON & > > YOUNG, SANDERS, WILSON, CHRISTIAN, > > BROWNLEE, SEE, CLEMMER, DETTRO.. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: alby6 > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: [email protected] > > ; [email protected] > > ; [email protected] > > ; [email protected] > > ; [email protected] > > ; [email protected] > > ; [email protected] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, > > 2010 7:42 AM > > Subject: Balzer Totherow > > > > > > Hi Gang, > > > > I just recently found another > > reference to Balser Totherow in Frederick County, MD. > > We just purchased a volume of translations of the church > > records for the two churches in the area in which he lived > > near Creagerstown. The churches are Creagerstown Union > > Church and Apple's Church, which was originally located just > > north of Thurmont. The publication is "Maryland German > > Church Records, Volume 11" translated by Frederick S. Weiser > > and published by the Carroll County Historical Society, > > Westminster, MD. > > > > I found Balser in the Apple's > > Union Church Records. He served as sponsor for the > > baptism of Rutholf, son of Rutholf and Eva Herte, who was > > born 27 Feb 1781, and baptized 1 July 1781. His name > > was spelled Baltzer Toderer. The records are for the > > years 1773 - 1849. That was the only reference to him. > > > > > > The records for the > > Creagerstown Union Church are for 1789 - 1863, so Balzer was > > already in NC when that church was founded about 1787. > > > > Ray and Agnes Yount > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > Criminal Lawyer > > Criminal Lawyers - Click here. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming > > message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus > > Database: 271.1.1/2655 - Release Date: 01/29/10 09:08:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Penny Stock Jumping 3000% > > Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for > > free today! > > AwesomePennyStocks.com > > > > > > ********* > > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN > > ********* > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Hal, In Schildknecht's Monocacy and Catoctin there is a map dated 1828 which shows the Monocacy and Pipe Creeks joining just north of Woodsboro and just east of Graceham. Don't know if these towns still exist or not. Nanette In a message dated 8/2/2011 8:45:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Lauren, I had not heard of "Wrights newspaper extractions" and appreciate your sending along. Any idea where "mouth of Pipe Creek where it runs into the Moncasy" is located? I had seen the "baseborn child " report before but unable to ID Mary Cyder or the child! Also unable to connect this John Tutteraw into my TUTTERO/DUTTRO... tree but satisfied he belongs there somewhere. How could I access the "Maryland Chronicle" from afar? Best, Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 1-760-941-4716 [email protected] Researching SEE, CLEMMER, DETTRO/TOTHEROW, YOUNG/JUNG, HERTE.. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lauren Brantner To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [MDWashin] Totherow, Clemmer,Jung/Young/Herte families of 1700s Frederick Co, MD Here is a bit from Wrights newspaper extractions Maryland Chronicle April 4, 1787 "Conrad Dotterer, living at the mouth of Pipe Creek where it runs into the Moncasy...." It goes on to describe his German indentured servant who has run away. Same paper April 25, 1787 "Conrad Dotterer forwards(forwarns?)persons that he will not will not pay bond passed to John Shroyer many years ago in consideration of a piece of land for which he hath not conveyed." Frederick Independent Volunteer March 16, 1808 "I inform the public that some time ago Benjamin Biggs did come to Conrad Dotteror's house and made mention that if he did not withdraw the suits he had against his brothers, he would receive considerable damage in future; and since that time the said Mr. Dotterer has had three three barns burnt. I caution all persons agnst offending William Biggs, Frederick Biggs and Jos. Biggs for said Biggs have taken Mr. Dotterer's rails & etc. - Jacob Grace." There are quite a few Duddero etc in Myers' Marriage Records of Frederick County with the following spellings: Dudderer, Duddero, Dutterar, Duttero, Tutterer and Tutterow. In Rice's This Was the Life there is a case before the November court of 1760 against John Tutteraw "for getting a baseborn child on the body of Mary Cyder by information of said Mary." >From Passano's Source Records of Maryland Dutrow - History of Frederick County by Williams Tombstone inscriptions. Some descendants of Philip Duttera (or Dotterer). 1934, Lutheran Cemetery, Middletown, Ferderick Co. p. 135; Mt. Olivet Cemeter, Frederick Co. p. 135 - Maryland Historical Society. >From Brumbaugh's Maryland Records Voting list Pres. Election of 1796 for Fred. County Balser Dutrow Michael Dutrow George Dutrow Jacob Dutrow John Dutrow Conrad Dutrow Jr. Conrad Dutrow (3 entries)d Lauren Brantner --- On Mon, 8/1/11, Hal McCawley <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Hal McCawley <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MDWashin] Totherow, Clemmer, Jung/Young/Herte families of 1700s Frederick Co, MD > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], "PA Adams-L" <[email protected]>, [email protected], [email protected], "MDPGEORG-L" <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, August 1, 2011, 12:59 PM > Hi Ray, > I also have been unable to locate any records > of Apples predecessor Jacobs/Union Church near Thurmont in > Frederick Co, MD. It is probable that some of our > DOTTER.., CLEMMER, HERTE, JUNG/YOUNG families were members > there at Jacobs/Union after migrating down from Adams co, > PA. > The HERTEs are also on my low priority > "persons of interest" list but have not researched them > because I see our chances of them helping us as being > slim?? Maybe some day? > I corresponded with Ron Dodderer for a decade > up to 3 or 4 yrs ago when I gave up on him after hearing > annually that he would publish next yr and hearing numerous > theories without support. What significant have you > received from him in recent yrs? > Thanks again for your continued pursuit. > Best, > Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 > 1-760-941-4716 [email protected] > Researching McCAULEY, TUCKER, LEDBETTER, GORDON & > YOUNG, SANDERS, WILSON, CHRISTIAN, BROWNLEE, SEE, > CLEMMER, DETTRO.. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] ; > [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 8:44 AM > Subject: Re: Totherow, Clemmer, Jung/Young/Herte > families of 1700s Frederick Co, MD > > > Dear Hal, > > The only Hertes in the church records index is the > couple I referred to previously, Rutholf and Eva Herte, for > which Baltzer Toderer served as a baptismal sponsor of one > of their children in 1781, Here are all the records > for that couple: > > Anna Barbara dau. of > Rutholf and Eva Herte, b. 22 June 1777, bp. 1 July 1781. > Sponsor: > Conrath Lechleider. > > Johannes, son of Rutholf > and Eva Herte, b. 6 Oct. 1778, bp. 1 July 1781. Sponsor: > Christ. > Bincke > > Rutholf, son of Rutholf > and Eva Herte, b. 27 Feb1781, bp. 1 July 1781. Sponsor: > Baltzer > Toderer > > Note that all three of these children were baptized > on the same date. Perhaps this is about the time the > couple became associated with Apple's Church. > > The name Rutholf (Rudolf) may provide a possible > clue. Ron Dodderer thinks that Baltzer Toderer had a > possible Rudolf Dodderer ancester. So, is it possible > the Dodderers and Hertes were related? > > The upper Monocacy settlement was the area along the > upper reaches of the Monocacy river in which Apple's church > was situated, north of Thurmont. In 1760, Peter Apple > deeded an acre of land to three trustees to be used as a > schoolhouse. In 1768, these trustees redeeded the land > to officers of a union congregation which had already been > formed by that time, This original union churh was > named Jacobs. The first records of this union church, > which became Apples, did not start until 1773, and Lutheran > and Reformed records were kept in the same church book.. > > Best Regards, > Ray > > On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 19:16:18 -0700 "Hal McCawley" > <[email protected]> > writes: > Thanks Ray for that extensive work on > Apples... Church Records of Frederick Co, MD. > We just ret from 2 wks vacation in > SF/Sacramento area and starting to make a shaky tree of your > data attached above. > I had seen some of that data before. > Your expanded data leaves me hanging but still suspecting > that my gf Peter YOUNG/JUNG b bef 1777 and Catherine DETTRO > [d/o Balzer] likely first crossed paths in Apples Church in > the 1780s bef Balzer TOTHEROW/DETTRO left for Rowan Co, NC > ca 1784. The Joh. Peter YOUNG listed in your Apples > data as b 21 Mar 1775 being s/o Wm & Juliana YOUNG is > the ideal age for my dead end gf Peter that m Balzer's dau > Catherine in 1802 Rowan Co, NC?? > Interesting that neither Balzer or the HERTEs > appear later in the Apple records??? And I don't > remember seeing the HERTEs in Rowan Co or Lincoln Cos, NC > records?? > Did/can you search your new records for the > HERTE name? > Do you know where the "Upper Monocracy > Hundred" was located in Frederick Co, MD? > So goes genealogy! > Thanks again for your efforts beyond the > call! > You guys and Len are the eldest [most > persevering] and best [and only!] contacts I have remaining > for my 1700s DETHRO/CLEMMER/YOUNGs. I hope you all are > younger than I and in good health!! > Best, > Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, > Oceanside, CA 92056 1-760-941-4716 [email protected] > Researching McCAULEY, TUCKER, LEDBETTER, > GORDON & > YOUNG, SANDERS, WILSON, CHRISTIAN, BROWNLEE, > SEE, CLEMMER, DETTRO.. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 6:41 PM > Subject: Re: Balzer Totherow > > > Dear Hal, > > Guess you think I forgot about this > request. It's been extremely hot back east for the > past several weeks, giving me a chance to get caught up on > inside work. Here is the attached list of all > Jungs/Youngs/etc. in the referenced church records. > > Best Regards, > Ray > > On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:57:57 -0700 "Hal > McCawley" <[email protected]> > writes: > R & A, were there some YOUNG/JUNGs > in those records? > Our Peter YOUNG's fam may also have > passed through that ch?? > Indeed, that may have been where Peter > YOUNG & Catherine DETTRO first met across the board in > the church??? > Best, > Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, > Oceanside, CA 92056 1-760-941-4716 [email protected] > Researching McCAULEY, TUCKER, > LEDBETTER, GORDON & > YOUNG, SANDERS, WILSON, CHRISTIAN, > BROWNLEE, SEE, CLEMMER, DETTRO.. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: alby6 > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, > 2010 7:42 AM > Subject: Balzer Totherow > > > Hi Gang, > > I just recently found another > reference to Balser Totherow in Frederick County, MD. > We just purchased a volume of translations of the church > records for the two churches in the area in which he lived > near Creagerstown. The churches are Creagerstown Union > Church and Apple's Church, which was originally located just > north of Thurmont. The publication is "Maryland German > Church Records, Volume 11" translated by Frederick S. Weiser > and published by the Carroll County Historical Society, > Westminster, MD. > > I found Balser in the Apple's > Union Church Records. He served as sponsor for the > baptism of Rutholf, son of Rutholf and Eva Herte, who was > born 27 Feb 1781, and baptized 1 July 1781. His name > was spelled Baltzer Toderer. The records are for the > years 1773 - 1849. That was the only reference to him. > > > The records for the > Creagerstown Union Church are for 1789 - 1863, so Balzer was > already in NC when that church was founded about 1787. > > Ray and Agnes Yount > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Criminal Lawyer > Criminal Lawyers - Click here. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming > message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus > Database: 271.1.1/2655 - Release Date: 01/29/10 09:08:00 > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Penny Stock Jumping 3000% > Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for > free today! > AwesomePennyStocks.com > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here's a link to a map from Wikipedia (wasn't sure if I could attach it here--think Rootsweb forbids attachments??). Looks as though the "mouth" is about 1.5 miles from Detour MD, a few miles above Frederick (see P.S. below). Sounds like its different from the PA Big Pike Creek. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Monocacy.png Sam P.S. Also from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Pipe_Creek The creek and its tributaries flow through Manchester, Union Bridge, Taneytown, New Windsor and Westminster. The main stem of the creek is formed from the confluence of Big Pipe Creek, with headwaters near Manchester; and Little Pipe Creek, with headwaters in Westminster. >From the confluence, near Detour, Maryland (39.6012°N 77.2703°W), Double Pipe flows west for about 1.5 miles (2.4 km) to its mouth at the Monocacy, which drains to the Potomac River. The watershed area of Double Pipe Creek is 192.6 square miles (499 km2). Tributaries include Bear Branch, Big Pipe Creek, Little Pipe Creek, Meadow Branch and Sam’s Creek. Double Pipe Creek, the portion of Little Pipe Creek west of Union Bridge, and the western section of Sam's Creek form part of the legal boundary between Frederick County and Carroll County. On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Gordon Crooks <[email protected]> wrote: > Hal: When I go up to western Pennsylvania I cross "Big Pipe Creek", it runs > from North to South and route 140 crosses it, either near the border of > Carroll County, Md. or actually in Frederick County, Md..The Moncracy River > is the devideing line betwwen the two counties. There is both a little pipe > and a big pipe and both originate in Pennsylvania up around Hanover, Pa.. > They apparently merge and go all the way down to Virginia. My map is not > clear where they might merge, but I would guess it to be around or near > Frederick, Md. > >                                                               Gordon Crooks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hal McCawley" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 8:43 PM > Subject: Re: [MDWashin] Totherow, Clemmer,Jung/Young/Herte families of 1700s > Frederick Co, MD > > >> Lauren, I had not heard of "Wrights newspaper extractions" and appreciate >> your sending along. >> Any idea where "mouth of Pipe Creek where it runs into the Moncasy" is >> located? >> I had seen the "baseborn child " report before but unable to ID Mary Cyder >> or the child! >> Also unable to connect this John Tutteraw into my TUTTERO/DUTTRO... tree >> but satisfied he belongs there somewhere. >> How could I access the "Maryland Chronicle" from afar? >> >> Best, >> Hal McCawley  4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 1-760-941-4716 >> [email protected] >> Researching SEE,  CLEMMER, DETTRO/TOTHEROW, YOUNG/JUNG, HERTE.. >> >> >> >>  ----- Original Message ----- >>  From: Lauren Brantner >>  To: [email protected] >>  Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 10:17 AM >>  Subject: Re: [MDWashin] Totherow, Clemmer,Jung/Young/Herte families of >> 1700s Frederick Co, MD >> >> >>  Here is a bit from Wrights newspaper extractions >> >>  Maryland Chronicle >>  April 4, 1787 >> >>  "Conrad Dotterer, living at the mouth of Pipe Creek where it runs into >> the Moncasy...." It goes on to describe his German indentured servant who >> has run away. >> >>  Same paper April 25, 1787 >>  "Conrad Dotterer forwards(forwarns?)persons that he will not will not pay >> bond passed to John Shroyer many years ago in consideration of a piece of >> land for which he hath not conveyed." >> >>  Frederick Independent Volunteer >>  March 16, 1808 >> >>  "I inform the public that some time ago Benjamin Biggs did come to Conrad >> Dotteror's house and made mention that if he did not withdraw the suits he >> had against his brothers, he would receive considerable damage in future; >> and since that time the said Mr. Dotterer has had three three barns burnt. >> I caution all persons agnst offending William Biggs, Frederick Biggs and >> Jos. Biggs for said Biggs have taken Mr. Dotterer's rails & etc. - Jacob >> Grace." >> >>  There are quite a few Duddero etc in Myers' Marriage Records of Frederick >> County with the following spellings: Dudderer, Duddero, Dutterar, Duttero, >> Tutterer and Tutterow. >> >>  In Rice's This Was the Life there is a case before the November court of >> 1760 against John Tutteraw "for getting a baseborn child on the body of >> Mary Cyder by information of said Mary." >> >>  >From Passano's Source Records of Maryland >>  Dutrow - History of Frederick County by Williams >>  Tombstone inscriptions. Some descendants of Philip Duttera (or Dotterer). >> 1934, Lutheran Cemetery, Middletown, Ferderick Co. p. 135; Mt. Olivet >> Cemeter, Frederick Co. p. 135 - Maryland Historical Society. >> >>  >From Brumbaugh's Maryland Records >> >>  Voting list Pres. Election of 1796 for Fred. County >>  Balser Dutrow >>  Michael Dutrow >>  George Dutrow >>  Jacob Dutrow >>  John Dutrow >>  Conrad Dutrow Jr. >>  Conrad Dutrow (3 entries)d >> >>  Lauren Brantner >> >> >> >> >> >>  --- On Mon, 8/1/11, Hal McCawley <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>  > From: Hal McCawley <[email protected]> >>  > Subject: Re: [MDWashin] Totherow, Clemmer, Jung/Young/Herte families of >> 1700s Frederick Co, MD >>  > To: [email protected] >>  > Cc: [email protected], [email protected], >> [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], >> [email protected], "PA Adams-L" <[email protected]>, >> [email protected], [email protected], "MDPGEORG-L" >> <[email protected]> >>  > Date: Monday, August 1, 2011, 12:59 PM >>  > Hi Ray, >>  > I also have been unable to locate any records >>  > of Apples predecessor Jacobs/Union Church near Thurmont in >>  > Frederick Co, MD. It is probable that some of our >>  > DOTTER.., CLEMMER, HERTE, JUNG/YOUNG families were members >>  > there at Jacobs/Union after migrating down from Adams co, >>  > PA. >>  > The HERTEs are also on my low priority >>  > "persons of interest" list but have not researched them >>  > because I see our chances of them helping us as being >>  > slim?? Maybe some day? >>  > I corresponded with Ron Dodderer for a decade >>  > up to 3 or 4 yrs ago when I gave up on him after hearing >>  > annually that he would publish next yr and hearing numerous >>  > theories without support. What significant have you >>  > received from him in recent yrs? >>  > Thanks again for your continued pursuit. >>  > Best, >>  > Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 >>  > 1-760-941-4716 [email protected] >>  > Researching McCAULEY, TUCKER, LEDBETTER, GORDON & >>  > YOUNG, SANDERS, WILSON, CHRISTIAN, BROWNLEE, SEE, >>  > CLEMMER, DETTRO.. >>  > >>  > >>  > >>  > ----- Original Message ----- >>  > From: [email protected] >>  > To: [email protected] >>  > Cc: [email protected] ; [email protected] >>  > ; [email protected] ; >>  > [email protected] >>  > ; [email protected] >>  > ; [email protected] >>  > ; [email protected] >>  > >>  > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 8:44 AM >>  > Subject: Re: Totherow, Clemmer, Jung/Young/Herte >>  > families of 1700s Frederick Co, MD >>  > >>  > >>  > Dear Hal, >>  > >>  > The only Hertes in the church records index is the >>  > couple I referred to previously, Rutholf and Eva Herte, for >>  > which Baltzer Toderer served as a baptismal sponsor of one >>  > of their children in 1781, Here are all the records >>  > for that couple: >>  > >>  > Anna Barbara dau. of >>  > Rutholf and Eva Herte, b. 22 June 1777, bp. 1 July 1781. >>  > Sponsor: >>  > Conrath Lechleider. >>  > >>  > Johannes, son of Rutholf >>  > and Eva Herte, b. 6 Oct. 1778, bp. 1 July 1781. Sponsor: >>  > Christ. >>  > Bincke >>  > >>  > Rutholf, son of Rutholf >>  > and Eva Herte, b. 27 Feb1781, bp. 1 July 1781. Sponsor: >>  > Baltzer >>  > Toderer >>  > >>  > Note that all three of these children were baptized >>  > on the same date. Perhaps this is about the time the >>  > couple became associated with Apple's Church. >>  > >>  > The name Rutholf (Rudolf) may provide a possible >>  > clue. Ron Dodderer thinks that Baltzer Toderer had a >>  > possible Rudolf Dodderer ancester. So, is it possible >>  > the Dodderers and Hertes were related? >>  > >>  > The upper Monocacy settlement was the area along the >>  > upper reaches of the Monocacy river in which Apple's church >>  > was situated, north of Thurmont. In 1760, Peter Apple >>  > deeded an acre of land to three trustees to be used as a >>  > schoolhouse. In 1768, these trustees redeeded the land >>  > to officers of a union congregation which had already been >>  > formed by that time, This original union churh was >>  > named Jacobs. The first records of this union church, >>  > which became Apples, did not start until 1773, and Lutheran >>  > and Reformed records were kept in the same church book.. >>  > >>  > Best Regards, >>  > Ray >>  > >>  > On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 19:16:18 -0700 "Hal McCawley" >>  > <[email protected]> >>  > writes: >>  > Thanks Ray for that extensive work on >>  > Apples... Church Records of Frederick Co, MD. >>  > We just ret from 2 wks vacation in >>  > SF/Sacramento area and starting to make a shaky tree of your >>  > data attached above. >>  > I had seen some of that data before. >>  > Your expanded data leaves me hanging but still suspecting >>  > that my gf Peter YOUNG/JUNG b bef 1777 and Catherine DETTRO >>  > [d/o Balzer] likely first crossed paths in Apples Church in >>  > the 1780s bef Balzer TOTHEROW/DETTRO left for Rowan Co, NC >>  > ca 1784. The Joh. Peter YOUNG listed in your Apples >>  > data as b 21 Mar 1775 being s/o Wm & Juliana YOUNG is >>  > the ideal age for my dead end gf Peter that m Balzer's dau >>  > Catherine in 1802 Rowan Co, NC?? >>  > Interesting that neither Balzer or the HERTEs >>  > appear later in the Apple records??? And I don't >>  > remember seeing the HERTEs in Rowan Co or Lincoln Cos, NC >>  > records?? >>  > Did/can you search your new records for the >>  > HERTE name? >>  > Do you know where the "Upper Monocracy >>  > Hundred" was located in Frederick Co, MD? >>  > So goes genealogy! >>  > Thanks again for your efforts beyond the >>  > call! >>  > You guys and Len are the eldest [most >>  > persevering] and best [and only!] contacts I have remaining >>  > for my 1700s DETHRO/CLEMMER/YOUNGs. I hope you all are >>  > younger than I and in good health!! >>  > Best, >>  > Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, >>  > Oceanside, CA 92056 1-760-941-4716 [email protected] >>  > Researching McCAULEY, TUCKER, LEDBETTER, >>  > GORDON & >>  > YOUNG, SANDERS, WILSON, CHRISTIAN, BROWNLEE, >>  > SEE, CLEMMER, DETTRO.. >>  > >>  > >>  > >>  > ----- Original Message ----- >>  > From: [email protected] >>  > To: [email protected] >>  > Cc: [email protected] ; [email protected] >>  > ; [email protected] >>  > ; [email protected] >>  > ; [email protected] >>  > ; [email protected] >>  > ; [email protected] >>  > >>  > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 6:41 PM >>  > Subject: Re: Balzer Totherow >>  > >>  > >>  > Dear Hal, >>  > >>  > Guess you think I forgot about this >>  > request. It's been extremely hot back east for the >>  > past several weeks, giving me a chance to get caught up on >>  > inside work. Here is the attached list of all >>  > Jungs/Youngs/etc. in the referenced church records. >>  > >>  > Best Regards, >>  > Ray >>  > >>  > On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:57:57 -0700 "Hal >>  > McCawley" <[email protected]> >>  > writes: >>  > R & A, were there some YOUNG/JUNGs >>  > in those records? >>  > Our Peter YOUNG's fam may also have >>  > passed through that ch?? >>  > Indeed, that may have been where Peter >>  > YOUNG & Catherine DETTRO first met across the board in >>  > the church??? >>  > Best, >>  > Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, >>  > Oceanside, CA 92056 1-760-941-4716 [email protected] >>  > Researching McCAULEY, TUCKER, >>  > LEDBETTER, GORDON & >>  > YOUNG, SANDERS, WILSON, CHRISTIAN, >>  > BROWNLEE, SEE, CLEMMER, DETTRO.. >>  > >>  > >>  > >>  > ----- Original Message ----- >>  > From: alby6 >>  > To: [email protected] >>  > Cc: [email protected] >>  > ; [email protected] >>  > ; [email protected] >>  > ; [email protected] >>  > ; [email protected] >>  > ; [email protected] >>  > ; [email protected] >>  > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, >>  > 2010 7:42 AM >>  > Subject: Balzer Totherow >>  > >>  > >>  > Hi Gang, >>  > >>  > I just recently found another >>  > reference to Balser Totherow in Frederick County, MD. >>  > We just purchased a volume of translations of the church >>  > records for the two churches in the area in which he lived >>  > near Creagerstown. The churches are Creagerstown Union >>  > Church and Apple's Church, which was originally located just >>  > north of Thurmont. The publication is "Maryland German >>  > Church Records, Volume 11" translated by Frederick S. Weiser >>  > and published by the Carroll County Historical Society, >>  > Westminster, MD. >>  > >>  > I found Balser in the Apple's >>  > Union Church Records. He served as sponsor for the >>  > baptism of Rutholf, son of Rutholf and Eva Herte, who was >>  > born 27 Feb 1781, and baptized 1 July 1781. His name >>  > was spelled Baltzer Toderer. The records are for the >>  > years 1773 - 1849. That was the only reference to him. >>  > >>  > >>  > The records for the >>  > Creagerstown Union Church are for 1789 - 1863, so Balzer was >>  > already in NC when that church was founded about 1787. >>  > >>  > Ray and Agnes Yount >>  > >>  > >>  > >>  > >>  > >>  > ____________________________________________________________ >>  > >>  > Criminal Lawyer >>  > Criminal Lawyers - Click here. >>  > >>  > >>  > >>  > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>  > >>  > >>  > >>  > No virus found in this incoming >>  > message. >>  > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>  > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus >>  > Database: 271.1.1/2655 - Release Date: 01/29/10 09:08:00 >>  > >>  > >>  > >>  > >>  > >>  > >>  > ____________________________________________________________ >>  > Penny Stock Jumping 3000% >>  > Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for >>  > free today! >>  > AwesomePennyStocks.com >>  > >>  > >>  > ********* >>  > Visit the threaded archives of this list: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN >>  > ********* >>  > >>  > ------------------------------- >>  > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >>  > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >>  > subject and the body of the message >>  > >> >> >> >>  ********* >>  Visit the threaded archives of this list: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN >>  ********* >> >>  ------------------------------- >>  To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ********* >> Visit the threaded archives of this list: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN >> ********* >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hal: When I go up to western Pennsylvania I cross "Big Pipe Creek", it runs from North to South and route 140 crosses it, either near the border of Carroll County, Md. or actually in Frederick County, Md..The Moncracy River is the devideing line betwwen the two counties. There is both a little pipe and a big pipe and both originate in Pennsylvania up around Hanover, Pa.. They apparently merge and go all the way down to Virginia. My map is not clear where they might merge, but I would guess it to be around or near Frederick, Md. Gordon Crooks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hal McCawley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [MDWashin] Totherow, Clemmer,Jung/Young/Herte families of 1700s Frederick Co, MD > Lauren, I had not heard of "Wrights newspaper extractions" and appreciate > your sending along. > Any idea where "mouth of Pipe Creek where it runs into the Moncasy" is > located? > I had seen the "baseborn child " report before but unable to ID Mary Cyder > or the child! > Also unable to connect this John Tutteraw into my TUTTERO/DUTTRO... tree > but satisfied he belongs there somewhere. > How could I access the "Maryland Chronicle" from afar? > > Best, > Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 1-760-941-4716 > [email protected] > Researching SEE, CLEMMER, DETTRO/TOTHEROW, YOUNG/JUNG, HERTE.. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lauren Brantner > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 10:17 AM > Subject: Re: [MDWashin] Totherow, Clemmer,Jung/Young/Herte families of > 1700s Frederick Co, MD > > > Here is a bit from Wrights newspaper extractions > > Maryland Chronicle > April 4, 1787 > > "Conrad Dotterer, living at the mouth of Pipe Creek where it runs into > the Moncasy...." It goes on to describe his German indentured servant who > has run away. > > Same paper April 25, 1787 > "Conrad Dotterer forwards(forwarns?)persons that he will not will not pay > bond passed to John Shroyer many years ago in consideration of a piece of > land for which he hath not conveyed." > > Frederick Independent Volunteer > March 16, 1808 > > "I inform the public that some time ago Benjamin Biggs did come to Conrad > Dotteror's house and made mention that if he did not withdraw the suits he > had against his brothers, he would receive considerable damage in future; > and since that time the said Mr. Dotterer has had three three barns burnt. > I caution all persons agnst offending William Biggs, Frederick Biggs and > Jos. Biggs for said Biggs have taken Mr. Dotterer's rails & etc. - Jacob > Grace." > > There are quite a few Duddero etc in Myers' Marriage Records of Frederick > County with the following spellings: Dudderer, Duddero, Dutterar, Duttero, > Tutterer and Tutterow. > > In Rice's This Was the Life there is a case before the November court of > 1760 against John Tutteraw "for getting a baseborn child on the body of > Mary Cyder by information of said Mary." > > >From Passano's Source Records of Maryland > Dutrow - History of Frederick County by Williams > Tombstone inscriptions. Some descendants of Philip Duttera (or Dotterer). > 1934, Lutheran Cemetery, Middletown, Ferderick Co. p. 135; Mt. Olivet > Cemeter, Frederick Co. p. 135 - Maryland Historical Society. > > >From Brumbaugh's Maryland Records > > Voting list Pres. Election of 1796 for Fred. County > Balser Dutrow > Michael Dutrow > George Dutrow > Jacob Dutrow > John Dutrow > Conrad Dutrow Jr. > Conrad Dutrow (3 entries)d > > Lauren Brantner > > > > > > --- On Mon, 8/1/11, Hal McCawley <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Hal McCawley <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [MDWashin] Totherow, Clemmer, Jung/Young/Herte families of > 1700s Frederick Co, MD > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: [email protected], [email protected], > [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], > [email protected], "PA Adams-L" <[email protected]>, > [email protected], [email protected], "MDPGEORG-L" > <[email protected]> > > Date: Monday, August 1, 2011, 12:59 PM > > Hi Ray, > > I also have been unable to locate any records > > of Apples predecessor Jacobs/Union Church near Thurmont in > > Frederick Co, MD. It is probable that some of our > > DOTTER.., CLEMMER, HERTE, JUNG/YOUNG families were members > > there at Jacobs/Union after migrating down from Adams co, > > PA. > > The HERTEs are also on my low priority > > "persons of interest" list but have not researched them > > because I see our chances of them helping us as being > > slim?? Maybe some day? > > I corresponded with Ron Dodderer for a decade > > up to 3 or 4 yrs ago when I gave up on him after hearing > > annually that he would publish next yr and hearing numerous > > theories without support. What significant have you > > received from him in recent yrs? > > Thanks again for your continued pursuit. > > Best, > > Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 > > 1-760-941-4716 [email protected] > > Researching McCAULEY, TUCKER, LEDBETTER, GORDON & > > YOUNG, SANDERS, WILSON, CHRISTIAN, BROWNLEE, SEE, > > CLEMMER, DETTRO.. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: [email protected] ; [email protected] > > ; [email protected] ; > > [email protected] > > ; [email protected] > > ; [email protected] > > ; [email protected] > > > > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 8:44 AM > > Subject: Re: Totherow, Clemmer, Jung/Young/Herte > > families of 1700s Frederick Co, MD > > > > > > Dear Hal, > > > > The only Hertes in the church records index is the > > couple I referred to previously, Rutholf and Eva Herte, for > > which Baltzer Toderer served as a baptismal sponsor of one > > of their children in 1781, Here are all the records > > for that couple: > > > > Anna Barbara dau. of > > Rutholf and Eva Herte, b. 22 June 1777, bp. 1 July 1781. > > Sponsor: > > Conrath Lechleider. > > > > Johannes, son of Rutholf > > and Eva Herte, b. 6 Oct. 1778, bp. 1 July 1781. Sponsor: > > Christ. > > Bincke > > > > Rutholf, son of Rutholf > > and Eva Herte, b. 27 Feb1781, bp. 1 July 1781. Sponsor: > > Baltzer > > Toderer > > > > Note that all three of these children were baptized > > on the same date. Perhaps this is about the time the > > couple became associated with Apple's Church. > > > > The name Rutholf (Rudolf) may provide a possible > > clue. Ron Dodderer thinks that Baltzer Toderer had a > > possible Rudolf Dodderer ancester. So, is it possible > > the Dodderers and Hertes were related? > > > > The upper Monocacy settlement was the area along the > > upper reaches of the Monocacy river in which Apple's church > > was situated, north of Thurmont. In 1760, Peter Apple > > deeded an acre of land to three trustees to be used as a > > schoolhouse. In 1768, these trustees redeeded the land > > to officers of a union congregation which had already been > > formed by that time, This original union churh was > > named Jacobs. The first records of this union church, > > which became Apples, did not start until 1773, and Lutheran > > and Reformed records were kept in the same church book.. > > > > Best Regards, > > Ray > > > > On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 19:16:18 -0700 "Hal McCawley" > > <[email protected]> > > writes: > > Thanks Ray for that extensive work on > > Apples... Church Records of Frederick Co, MD. > > We just ret from 2 wks vacation in > > SF/Sacramento area and starting to make a shaky tree of your > > data attached above. > > I had seen some of that data before. > > Your expanded data leaves me hanging but still suspecting > > that my gf Peter YOUNG/JUNG b bef 1777 and Catherine DETTRO > > [d/o Balzer] likely first crossed paths in Apples Church in > > the 1780s bef Balzer TOTHEROW/DETTRO left for Rowan Co, NC > > ca 1784. The Joh. Peter YOUNG listed in your Apples > > data as b 21 Mar 1775 being s/o Wm & Juliana YOUNG is > > the ideal age for my dead end gf Peter that m Balzer's dau > > Catherine in 1802 Rowan Co, NC?? > > Interesting that neither Balzer or the HERTEs > > appear later in the Apple records??? And I don't > > remember seeing the HERTEs in Rowan Co or Lincoln Cos, NC > > records?? > > Did/can you search your new records for the > > HERTE name? > > Do you know where the "Upper Monocracy > > Hundred" was located in Frederick Co, MD? > > So goes genealogy! > > Thanks again for your efforts beyond the > > call! > > You guys and Len are the eldest [most > > persevering] and best [and only!] contacts I have remaining > > for my 1700s DETHRO/CLEMMER/YOUNGs. I hope you all are > > younger than I and in good health!! > > Best, > > Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, > > Oceanside, CA 92056 1-760-941-4716 [email protected] > > Researching McCAULEY, TUCKER, LEDBETTER, > > GORDON & > > YOUNG, SANDERS, WILSON, CHRISTIAN, BROWNLEE, > > SEE, CLEMMER, DETTRO.. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: [email protected] ; [email protected] > > ; [email protected] > > ; [email protected] > > ; [email protected] > > ; [email protected] > > ; [email protected] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 6:41 PM > > Subject: Re: Balzer Totherow > > > > > > Dear Hal, > > > > Guess you think I forgot about this > > request. It's been extremely hot back east for the > > past several weeks, giving me a chance to get caught up on > > inside work. Here is the attached list of all > > Jungs/Youngs/etc. in the referenced church records. > > > > Best Regards, > > Ray > > > > On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:57:57 -0700 "Hal > > McCawley" <[email protected]> > > writes: > > R & A, were there some YOUNG/JUNGs > > in those records? > > Our Peter YOUNG's fam may also have > > passed through that ch?? > > Indeed, that may have been where Peter > > YOUNG & Catherine DETTRO first met across the board in > > the church??? > > Best, > > Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, > > Oceanside, CA 92056 1-760-941-4716 [email protected] > > Researching McCAULEY, TUCKER, > > LEDBETTER, GORDON & > > YOUNG, SANDERS, WILSON, CHRISTIAN, > > BROWNLEE, SEE, CLEMMER, DETTRO.. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: alby6 > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: [email protected] > > ; [email protected] > > ; [email protected] > > ; [email protected] > > ; [email protected] > > ; [email protected] > > ; [email protected] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, > > 2010 7:42 AM > > Subject: Balzer Totherow > > > > > > Hi Gang, > > > > I just recently found another > > reference to Balser Totherow in Frederick County, MD. > > We just purchased a volume of translations of the church > > records for the two churches in the area in which he lived > > near Creagerstown. The churches are Creagerstown Union > > Church and Apple's Church, which was originally located just > > north of Thurmont. The publication is "Maryland German > > Church Records, Volume 11" translated by Frederick S. Weiser > > and published by the Carroll County Historical Society, > > Westminster, MD. > > > > I found Balser in the Apple's > > Union Church Records. He served as sponsor for the > > baptism of Rutholf, son of Rutholf and Eva Herte, who was > > born 27 Feb 1781, and baptized 1 July 1781. His name > > was spelled Baltzer Toderer. The records are for the > > years 1773 - 1849. That was the only reference to him. > > > > > > The records for the > > Creagerstown Union Church are for 1789 - 1863, so Balzer was > > already in NC when that church was founded about 1787. > > > > Ray and Agnes Yount > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > Criminal Lawyer > > Criminal Lawyers - Click here. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming > > message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus > > Database: 271.1.1/2655 - Release Date: 01/29/10 09:08:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Penny Stock Jumping 3000% > > Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for > > free today! > > AwesomePennyStocks.com > > > > > > ********* > > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN > > ********* > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lauren, I had not heard of "Wrights newspaper extractions" and appreciate your sending along. Any idea where "mouth of Pipe Creek where it runs into the Moncasy" is located? I had seen the "baseborn child " report before but unable to ID Mary Cyder or the child! Also unable to connect this John Tutteraw into my TUTTERO/DUTTRO... tree but satisfied he belongs there somewhere. How could I access the "Maryland Chronicle" from afar? Best, Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 1-760-941-4716 [email protected] Researching SEE, CLEMMER, DETTRO/TOTHEROW, YOUNG/JUNG, HERTE.. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lauren Brantner To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [MDWashin] Totherow, Clemmer,Jung/Young/Herte families of 1700s Frederick Co, MD Here is a bit from Wrights newspaper extractions Maryland Chronicle April 4, 1787 "Conrad Dotterer, living at the mouth of Pipe Creek where it runs into the Moncasy...." It goes on to describe his German indentured servant who has run away. Same paper April 25, 1787 "Conrad Dotterer forwards(forwarns?)persons that he will not will not pay bond passed to John Shroyer many years ago in consideration of a piece of land for which he hath not conveyed." Frederick Independent Volunteer March 16, 1808 "I inform the public that some time ago Benjamin Biggs did come to Conrad Dotteror's house and made mention that if he did not withdraw the suits he had against his brothers, he would receive considerable damage in future; and since that time the said Mr. Dotterer has had three three barns burnt. I caution all persons agnst offending William Biggs, Frederick Biggs and Jos. Biggs for said Biggs have taken Mr. Dotterer's rails & etc. - Jacob Grace." There are quite a few Duddero etc in Myers' Marriage Records of Frederick County with the following spellings: Dudderer, Duddero, Dutterar, Duttero, Tutterer and Tutterow. In Rice's This Was the Life there is a case before the November court of 1760 against John Tutteraw "for getting a baseborn child on the body of Mary Cyder by information of said Mary." >From Passano's Source Records of Maryland Dutrow - History of Frederick County by Williams Tombstone inscriptions. Some descendants of Philip Duttera (or Dotterer). 1934, Lutheran Cemetery, Middletown, Ferderick Co. p. 135; Mt. Olivet Cemeter, Frederick Co. p. 135 - Maryland Historical Society. >From Brumbaugh's Maryland Records Voting list Pres. Election of 1796 for Fred. County Balser Dutrow Michael Dutrow George Dutrow Jacob Dutrow John Dutrow Conrad Dutrow Jr. Conrad Dutrow (3 entries)d Lauren Brantner --- On Mon, 8/1/11, Hal McCawley <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Hal McCawley <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MDWashin] Totherow, Clemmer, Jung/Young/Herte families of 1700s Frederick Co, MD > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], "PA Adams-L" <[email protected]>, [email protected], [email protected], "MDPGEORG-L" <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, August 1, 2011, 12:59 PM > Hi Ray, > I also have been unable to locate any records > of Apples predecessor Jacobs/Union Church near Thurmont in > Frederick Co, MD. It is probable that some of our > DOTTER.., CLEMMER, HERTE, JUNG/YOUNG families were members > there at Jacobs/Union after migrating down from Adams co, > PA. > The HERTEs are also on my low priority > "persons of interest" list but have not researched them > because I see our chances of them helping us as being > slim?? Maybe some day? > I corresponded with Ron Dodderer for a decade > up to 3 or 4 yrs ago when I gave up on him after hearing > annually that he would publish next yr and hearing numerous > theories without support. What significant have you > received from him in recent yrs? > Thanks again for your continued pursuit. > Best, > Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 > 1-760-941-4716 [email protected] > Researching McCAULEY, TUCKER, LEDBETTER, GORDON & > YOUNG, SANDERS, WILSON, CHRISTIAN, BROWNLEE, SEE, > CLEMMER, DETTRO.. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] ; > [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 8:44 AM > Subject: Re: Totherow, Clemmer, Jung/Young/Herte > families of 1700s Frederick Co, MD > > > Dear Hal, > > The only Hertes in the church records index is the > couple I referred to previously, Rutholf and Eva Herte, for > which Baltzer Toderer served as a baptismal sponsor of one > of their children in 1781, Here are all the records > for that couple: > > Anna Barbara dau. of > Rutholf and Eva Herte, b. 22 June 1777, bp. 1 July 1781. > Sponsor: > Conrath Lechleider. > > Johannes, son of Rutholf > and Eva Herte, b. 6 Oct. 1778, bp. 1 July 1781. Sponsor: > Christ. > Bincke > > Rutholf, son of Rutholf > and Eva Herte, b. 27 Feb1781, bp. 1 July 1781. Sponsor: > Baltzer > Toderer > > Note that all three of these children were baptized > on the same date. Perhaps this is about the time the > couple became associated with Apple's Church. > > The name Rutholf (Rudolf) may provide a possible > clue. Ron Dodderer thinks that Baltzer Toderer had a > possible Rudolf Dodderer ancester. So, is it possible > the Dodderers and Hertes were related? > > The upper Monocacy settlement was the area along the > upper reaches of the Monocacy river in which Apple's church > was situated, north of Thurmont. In 1760, Peter Apple > deeded an acre of land to three trustees to be used as a > schoolhouse. In 1768, these trustees redeeded the land > to officers of a union congregation which had already been > formed by that time, This original union churh was > named Jacobs. The first records of this union church, > which became Apples, did not start until 1773, and Lutheran > and Reformed records were kept in the same church book.. > > Best Regards, > Ray > > On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 19:16:18 -0700 "Hal McCawley" > <[email protected]> > writes: > Thanks Ray for that extensive work on > Apples... Church Records of Frederick Co, MD. > We just ret from 2 wks vacation in > SF/Sacramento area and starting to make a shaky tree of your > data attached above. > I had seen some of that data before. > Your expanded data leaves me hanging but still suspecting > that my gf Peter YOUNG/JUNG b bef 1777 and Catherine DETTRO > [d/o Balzer] likely first crossed paths in Apples Church in > the 1780s bef Balzer TOTHEROW/DETTRO left for Rowan Co, NC > ca 1784. The Joh. Peter YOUNG listed in your Apples > data as b 21 Mar 1775 being s/o Wm & Juliana YOUNG is > the ideal age for my dead end gf Peter that m Balzer's dau > Catherine in 1802 Rowan Co, NC?? > Interesting that neither Balzer or the HERTEs > appear later in the Apple records??? And I don't > remember seeing the HERTEs in Rowan Co or Lincoln Cos, NC > records?? > Did/can you search your new records for the > HERTE name? > Do you know where the "Upper Monocracy > Hundred" was located in Frederick Co, MD? > So goes genealogy! > Thanks again for your efforts beyond the > call! > You guys and Len are the eldest [most > persevering] and best [and only!] contacts I have remaining > for my 1700s DETHRO/CLEMMER/YOUNGs. I hope you all are > younger than I and in good health!! > Best, > Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, > Oceanside, CA 92056 1-760-941-4716 [email protected] > Researching McCAULEY, TUCKER, LEDBETTER, > GORDON & > YOUNG, SANDERS, WILSON, CHRISTIAN, BROWNLEE, > SEE, CLEMMER, DETTRO.. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 6:41 PM > Subject: Re: Balzer Totherow > > > Dear Hal, > > Guess you think I forgot about this > request. It's been extremely hot back east for the > past several weeks, giving me a chance to get caught up on > inside work. Here is the attached list of all > Jungs/Youngs/etc. in the referenced church records. > > Best Regards, > Ray > > On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:57:57 -0700 "Hal > McCawley" <[email protected]> > writes: > R & A, were there some YOUNG/JUNGs > in those records? > Our Peter YOUNG's fam may also have > passed through that ch?? > Indeed, that may have been where Peter > YOUNG & Catherine DETTRO first met across the board in > the church??? > Best, > Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, > Oceanside, CA 92056 1-760-941-4716 [email protected] > Researching McCAULEY, TUCKER, > LEDBETTER, GORDON & > YOUNG, SANDERS, WILSON, CHRISTIAN, > BROWNLEE, SEE, CLEMMER, DETTRO.. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: alby6 > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, > 2010 7:42 AM > Subject: Balzer Totherow > > > Hi Gang, > > I just recently found another > reference to Balser Totherow in Frederick County, MD. > We just purchased a volume of translations of the church > records for the two churches in the area in which he lived > near Creagerstown. The churches are Creagerstown Union > Church and Apple's Church, which was originally located just > north of Thurmont. The publication is "Maryland German > Church Records, Volume 11" translated by Frederick S. Weiser > and published by the Carroll County Historical Society, > Westminster, MD. > > I found Balser in the Apple's > Union Church Records. He served as sponsor for the > baptism of Rutholf, son of Rutholf and Eva Herte, who was > born 27 Feb 1781, and baptized 1 July 1781. His name > was spelled Baltzer Toderer. The records are for the > years 1773 - 1849. That was the only reference to him. > > > The records for the > Creagerstown Union Church are for 1789 - 1863, so Balzer was > already in NC when that church was founded about 1787. > > Ray and Agnes Yount > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Criminal Lawyer > Criminal Lawyers - Click here. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming > message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus > Database: 271.1.1/2655 - Release Date: 01/29/10 09:08:00 > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Penny Stock Jumping 3000% > Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for > free today! > AwesomePennyStocks.com > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here is a bit from Wrights newspaper extractions Maryland Chronicle April 4, 1787 "Conrad Dotterer, living at the mouth of Pipe Creek where it runs into the Moncasy...." It goes on to describe his German indentured servant who has run away. Same paper April 25, 1787 "Conrad Dotterer forwards(forwarns?)persons that he will not will not pay bond passed to John Shroyer many years ago in consideration of a piece of land for which he hath not conveyed." Frederick Independent Volunteer March 16, 1808 "I inform the public that some time ago Benjamin Biggs did come to Conrad Dotteror's house and made mention that if he did not withdraw the suits he had against his brothers, he would receive considerable damage in future; and since that time the said Mr. Dotterer has had three three barns burnt. I caution all persons agnst offending William Biggs, Frederick Biggs and Jos. Biggs for said Biggs have taken Mr. Dotterer's rails & etc. - Jacob Grace." There are quite a few Duddero etc in Myers' Marriage Records of Frederick County with the following spellings: Dudderer, Duddero, Dutterar, Duttero, Tutterer and Tutterow. In Rice's This Was the Life there is a case before the November court of 1760 against John Tutteraw "for getting a baseborn child on the body of Mary Cyder by information of said Mary." >From Passano's Source Records of Maryland Dutrow - History of Frederick County by Williams Tombstone inscriptions. Some descendants of Philip Duttera (or Dotterer). 1934, Lutheran Cemetery, Middletown, Ferderick Co. p. 135; Mt. Olivet Cemeter, Frederick Co. p. 135 - Maryland Historical Society. >From Brumbaugh's Maryland Records Voting list Pres. Election of 1796 for Fred. County Balser Dutrow Michael Dutrow George Dutrow Jacob Dutrow John Dutrow Conrad Dutrow Jr. Conrad Dutrow (3 entries)d Lauren Brantner --- On Mon, 8/1/11, Hal McCawley <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Hal McCawley <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MDWashin] Totherow, Clemmer, Jung/Young/Herte families of 1700s Frederick Co, MD > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], "PA Adams-L" <[email protected]>, [email protected], [email protected], "MDPGEORG-L" <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, August 1, 2011, 12:59 PM > Hi Ray, >     I also have been unable to locate any records > of Apples predecessor Jacobs/Union Church near Thurmont in > Frederick Co, MD.  It is probable that some of our > DOTTER.., CLEMMER, HERTE, JUNG/YOUNG families were members > there at Jacobs/Union after migrating down from Adams co, > PA. >     The HERTEs are also on my low priority > "persons of interest" list but have not researched them > because I see our chances of them helping us as being > slim??  Maybe some day? >     I corresponded with Ron Dodderer for a decade > up to 3 or 4 yrs ago when I gave up on him after hearing > annually that he would publish next yr and hearing numerous > theories without support.  What significant have you > received from him in recent yrs? > Thanks again for your continued pursuit. > Best, > Hal McCawley  4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 > 1-760-941-4716 [email protected] > Researching McCAULEY, TUCKER, LEDBETTER, GORDON & > YOUNG, SANDERS, WILSON, CHRISTIAN, BROWNLEE, SEE,  > CLEMMER, DETTRO.. > > > >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: [email protected] >   To: [email protected] >   Cc: [email protected] ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] ; > [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > >   Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 8:44 AM >   Subject: Re: Totherow, Clemmer, Jung/Young/Herte > families of 1700s Frederick Co, MD > > >   Dear Hal, > >   The only Hertes in the church records index is the > couple I referred to previously, Rutholf and Eva Herte, for > which Baltzer Toderer served as a baptismal sponsor of one > of their children in 1781,  Here are all the records > for that couple: > >           Anna Barbara dau. of > Rutholf and Eva Herte, b. 22 June 1777, bp. 1 July 1781. > Sponsor:              >    Conrath Lechleider. > >           Johannes, son of Rutholf > and Eva Herte, b. 6 Oct. 1778, bp. 1 July 1781. Sponsor: > Christ.              >    Bincke > >           Rutholf, son of Rutholf > and Eva Herte, b. 27 Feb1781, bp. 1 July 1781. Sponsor: > Baltzer              >    Toderer > >   Note that all three of these children were baptized > on the same date.  Perhaps this is about the time the > couple became associated with Apple's Church. > >   The name Rutholf (Rudolf) may provide a possible > clue.  Ron Dodderer thinks that Baltzer Toderer had a > possible Rudolf Dodderer ancester.  So, is it possible > the Dodderers and Hertes were related? > >   The upper Monocacy settlement was the area along the > upper reaches of the Monocacy river in which Apple's church > was situated, north of Thurmont.  In 1760, Peter Apple > deeded an acre of land to three trustees to be used as a > schoolhouse.  In 1768, these trustees redeeded the land > to officers of a union congregation which had already been > formed by that time,  This original union churh was > named Jacobs.  The first records of this union church, > which became Apples, did not start until 1773, and Lutheran > and Reformed records were kept in the same church book.. > >   Best Regards, >   Ray > >   On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 19:16:18 -0700 "Hal McCawley" > <[email protected]> > writes: >     Thanks Ray for that extensive work on > Apples... Church Records of Frederick Co, MD. >     We just ret from 2 wks vacation in > SF/Sacramento area and starting to make a shaky tree of your > data attached above. >     I had seen some of that data before.  > Your expanded data leaves me hanging but still suspecting > that my gf Peter YOUNG/JUNG b bef 1777 and Catherine DETTRO > [d/o Balzer] likely first crossed paths in Apples Church in > the 1780s bef Balzer TOTHEROW/DETTRO left for Rowan Co, NC > ca 1784.  The Joh. Peter YOUNG listed in your Apples > data as b 21 Mar 1775 being s/o Wm & Juliana YOUNG is > the ideal age for my dead end gf Peter that m Balzer's dau > Catherine in 1802 Rowan Co, NC?? >     Interesting that neither Balzer or the HERTEs > appear later in the Apple records???  And I don't > remember seeing the HERTEs in Rowan Co or Lincoln Cos, NC > records??  >     Did/can you search your new records for the > HERTE name? >     Do you know where the "Upper Monocracy > Hundred" was located in Frederick Co, MD? >     So goes genealogy! >     Thanks again for your efforts beyond the > call! >     You guys and Len are the eldest [most > persevering] and best [and only!] contacts I have remaining > for my 1700s DETHRO/CLEMMER/YOUNGs.  I hope you all are > younger than I and in good health!! >     Best, >     Hal McCawley  4178 Pindar Way, > Oceanside, CA 92056 1-760-941-4716 [email protected] >     Researching McCAULEY, TUCKER, LEDBETTER, > GORDON & >     YOUNG, SANDERS, WILSON, CHRISTIAN, BROWNLEE, > SEE,  CLEMMER, DETTRO.. > > >       >     ----- Original Message ----- >     From: [email protected] >     To: [email protected] >     Cc: [email protected] ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > >     Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 6:41 PM >     Subject: Re: Balzer Totherow > > >     Dear Hal, > >     Guess you think I forgot about this > request.  It's been extremely hot back east for the > past several weeks, giving me a chance to get caught up on > inside work.  Here is the attached list of all > Jungs/Youngs/etc. in the referenced church records. > >     Best Regards, >     Ray > >     On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:57:57 -0700 "Hal > McCawley" <[email protected]> > writes: >       R & A, were there some YOUNG/JUNGs > in those records? >       Our Peter YOUNG's fam may also have > passed through that ch?? >       Indeed, that may have been where Peter > YOUNG & Catherine DETTRO first met across the board in > the church??? >       Best, >       Hal McCawley  4178 Pindar Way, > Oceanside, CA 92056 1-760-941-4716 [email protected] >       Researching McCAULEY, TUCKER, > LEDBETTER, GORDON & >       YOUNG, SANDERS, WILSON, CHRISTIAN, > BROWNLEE, SEE,  CLEMMER, DETTRO.. > > >         >         ----- Original Message ----- >         From: alby6 >         To: [email protected] >         Cc: [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] >         Sent: Tuesday, February 02, > 2010 7:42 AM >         Subject: Balzer Totherow > > >         Hi Gang, > >         I just recently found another > reference to Balser Totherow in Frederick County, MD.  > We just purchased a volume of translations of the church > records for the two churches in the area in which he lived > near Creagerstown.  The churches are Creagerstown Union > Church and Apple's Church, which was originally located just > north of Thurmont.  The publication is "Maryland German > Church Records, Volume 11" translated by Frederick S. Weiser > and published by the Carroll County Historical Society, > Westminster, MD. > >         I found Balser in the Apple's > Union Church Records.  He served as sponsor for the > baptism of Rutholf, son of Rutholf and Eva Herte, who was > born 27 Feb 1781, and baptized 1 July 1781.  His name > was spelled Baltzer Toderer.  The records are for the > years 1773 - 1849.  That was the only reference to him. > > >         The records for the > Creagerstown Union Church are for 1789 - 1863, so Balzer was > already in NC when that church was founded about 1787. > >         Ray and Agnes Yount > > > > >         > ____________________________________________________________ > >         Criminal Lawyer >         Criminal Lawyers - Click here. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >         No virus found in this incoming > message. >         Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >         Version: 8.5.432 / Virus > Database: 271.1.1/2655 - Release Date: 01/29/10 09:08:00 > > > > > >   > ____________________________________________________________ >   Penny Stock Jumping 3000% >   Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for > free today! >   AwesomePennyStocks.com > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Roger, May I ask how you determined William and Mary were the parents of Harry A.? This is not my line, but I did find a Harry A Newcones[Newcomer] in Frederick Co., MD 1900 Census b. Aug 1887 but parents are John T and Ann E. Jim -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 9:40 PM To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Subject: [MDWashin] Newcomer question I'm wondering if anyone has information on William and Mary: Descendants of William Newcomer 1 William NEWCOMER . +Mary ? . 2 Harry A. NEWCOMER b: August 30, 1887 in MD (appears in 1920 Lincoln Twp., Ogle Co., IL census) d: February 06, 1972 in Dixon, Lee Co., IL Burial: Chapel Hill Memorial Gardens, Dixon, Lee Co., IL ..... +Lenora TRAVIS b: June 14, 1894 in Polo, Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL m: February 14, 1915 in Polo, Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL d: November 06, 1977 in Franklin Grove, Lee Co., IL Burial: Chapel Hill Memorial Gardens, Dixon, Lee Co., IL Father: William Boyle Travis Mother: Mary Ellen Pope ..... 3 John W. NEWCOMER b: December 22, 1915 in IL d: August 23, 2000 in Amboy, Lee Co., IL ..... 3 Murray E. NEWCOMER b: Abt. 1919 in IL ......... +Dorothy L. SAGRENT m: April 09, 1939 ..... 3 Arnold NEWCOMER b: Abt. 1923 in IL Roger Cramer Peoria, Arizona Roger and Sue Cramer's Genealogy Site http://members.cox.net/rogercubs/index.html Ogle Co., IL Genealogy Site http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ilogle/ ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm wondering if anyone has information on William and Mary: Descendants of William Newcomer 1 William NEWCOMER . +Mary ? . 2 Harry A. NEWCOMER b: August 30, 1887 in MD (appears in 1920 Lincoln Twp., Ogle Co., IL census) d: February 06, 1972 in Dixon, Lee Co., IL Burial: Chapel Hill Memorial Gardens, Dixon, Lee Co., IL ..... +Lenora TRAVIS b: June 14, 1894 in Polo, Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL m: February 14, 1915 in Polo, Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL d: November 06, 1977 in Franklin Grove, Lee Co., IL Burial: Chapel Hill Memorial Gardens, Dixon, Lee Co., IL Father: William Boyle Travis Mother: Mary Ellen Pope ..... 3 John W. NEWCOMER b: December 22, 1915 in IL d: August 23, 2000 in Amboy, Lee Co., IL ..... 3 Murray E. NEWCOMER b: Abt. 1919 in IL ......... +Dorothy L. SAGRENT m: April 09, 1939 ..... 3 Arnold NEWCOMER b: Abt. 1923 in IL Roger Cramer Peoria, Arizona Roger and Sue Cramer's Genealogy Site http://members.cox.net/rogercubs/index.html Ogle Co., IL Genealogy Site http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ilogle/

Anyone researching or have knowledge of the HERTE family that was at Apples Church, near Thurmont in Frederick Co, MD, in 1771, believed to associate with subjects previously of Adams Co, PA?? The only HERTEs in the Apples church records index is the couple Rutholf and Eva Herte, for which Baltzer Toderer served as a baptismal sponsor of one of their children in 1781, Here are all the records for that couple: Anna Barbara dau. of Rutholf and Eva Herte, b. 22 June 1777, bp. 1 July 1781. Sponsor: Conrath Lechleider. Johannes, son of Rutholf and Eva Herte, b. 6 Oct. 1778, bp. 1 July 1781. Sponsor: Christ. Bincke Rutholf, son of Rutholf and Eva Herte, b. 27 Feb1781, bp. 1 July 1781. Sponsor: Baltzer Toderer Note that all three of these children were baptized on the same date. Best, Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 1-760-941-4716 [email protected] Researching McCAULEY, TUCKER, LEDBETTER, GORDON & YOUNG, SANDERS, WILSON, CHRISTIAN, BROWNLEE, SEE, CLEMMER, DETTRO..

Hi Ray, I also have been unable to locate any records of Apples predecessor Jacobs/Union Church near Thurmont in Frederick Co, MD. It is probable that some of our DOTTER.., CLEMMER, HERTE, JUNG/YOUNG families were members there at Jacobs/Union after migrating down from Adams co, PA. The HERTEs are also on my low priority "persons of interest" list but have not researched them because I see our chances of them helping us as being slim?? Maybe some day? I corresponded with Ron Dodderer for a decade up to 3 or 4 yrs ago when I gave up on him after hearing annually that he would publish next yr and hearing numerous theories without support. What significant have you received from him in recent yrs? Thanks again for your continued pursuit. Best, Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 1-760-941-4716 [email protected] Researching McCAULEY, TUCKER, LEDBETTER, GORDON & YOUNG, SANDERS, WILSON, CHRISTIAN, BROWNLEE, SEE, CLEMMER, DETTRO.. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 8:44 AM Subject: Re: Totherow, Clemmer, Jung/Young/Herte families of 1700s Frederick Co, MD Dear Hal, The only Hertes in the church records index is the couple I referred to previously, Rutholf and Eva Herte, for which Baltzer Toderer served as a baptismal sponsor of one of their children in 1781, Here are all the records for that couple: Anna Barbara dau. of Rutholf and Eva Herte, b. 22 June 1777, bp. 1 July 1781. Sponsor: Conrath Lechleider. Johannes, son of Rutholf and Eva Herte, b. 6 Oct. 1778, bp. 1 July 1781. Sponsor: Christ. Bincke Rutholf, son of Rutholf and Eva Herte, b. 27 Feb1781, bp. 1 July 1781. Sponsor: Baltzer Toderer Note that all three of these children were baptized on the same date. Perhaps this is about the time the couple became associated with Apple's Church. The name Rutholf (Rudolf) may provide a possible clue. Ron Dodderer thinks that Baltzer Toderer had a possible Rudolf Dodderer ancester. So, is it possible the Dodderers and Hertes were related? The upper Monocacy settlement was the area along the upper reaches of the Monocacy river in which Apple's church was situated, north of Thurmont. In 1760, Peter Apple deeded an acre of land to three trustees to be used as a schoolhouse. In 1768, these trustees redeeded the land to officers of a union congregation which had already been formed by that time, This original union churh was named Jacobs. The first records of this union church, which became Apples, did not start until 1773, and Lutheran and Reformed records were kept in the same church book.. Best Regards, Ray On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 19:16:18 -0700 "Hal McCawley" <[email protected]> writes: Thanks Ray for that extensive work on Apples... Church Records of Frederick Co, MD. We just ret from 2 wks vacation in SF/Sacramento area and starting to make a shaky tree of your data attached above. I had seen some of that data before. Your expanded data leaves me hanging but still suspecting that my gf Peter YOUNG/JUNG b bef 1777 and Catherine DETTRO [d/o Balzer] likely first crossed paths in Apples Church in the 1780s bef Balzer TOTHEROW/DETTRO left for Rowan Co, NC ca 1784. The Joh. Peter YOUNG listed in your Apples data as b 21 Mar 1775 being s/o Wm & Juliana YOUNG is the ideal age for my dead end gf Peter that m Balzer's dau Catherine in 1802 Rowan Co, NC?? Interesting that neither Balzer or the HERTEs appear later in the Apple records??? And I don't remember seeing the HERTEs in Rowan Co or Lincoln Cos, NC records?? Did/can you search your new records for the HERTE name? Do you know where the "Upper Monocracy Hundred" was located in Frederick Co, MD? So goes genealogy! Thanks again for your efforts beyond the call! You guys and Len are the eldest [most persevering] and best [and only!] contacts I have remaining for my 1700s DETHRO/CLEMMER/YOUNGs. I hope you all are younger than I and in good health!! Best, Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 1-760-941-4716 [email protected] Researching McCAULEY, TUCKER, LEDBETTER, GORDON & YOUNG, SANDERS, WILSON, CHRISTIAN, BROWNLEE, SEE, CLEMMER, DETTRO.. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 6:41 PM Subject: Re: Balzer Totherow Dear Hal, Guess you think I forgot about this request. It's been extremely hot back east for the past several weeks, giving me a chance to get caught up on inside work. Here is the attached list of all Jungs/Youngs/etc. in the referenced church records. Best Regards, Ray On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:57:57 -0700 "Hal McCawley" <[email protected]> writes: R & A, were there some YOUNG/JUNGs in those records? Our Peter YOUNG's fam may also have passed through that ch?? Indeed, that may have been where Peter YOUNG & Catherine DETTRO first met across the board in the church??? Best, Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 1-760-941-4716 [email protected] Researching McCAULEY, TUCKER, LEDBETTER, GORDON & YOUNG, SANDERS, WILSON, CHRISTIAN, BROWNLEE, SEE, CLEMMER, DETTRO.. ----- Original Message ----- From: alby6 To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:42 AM Subject: Balzer Totherow Hi Gang, I just recently found another reference to Balser Totherow in Frederick County, MD. We just purchased a volume of translations of the church records for the two churches in the area in which he lived near Creagerstown. The churches are Creagerstown Union Church and Apple's Church, which was originally located just north of Thurmont. The publication is "Maryland German Church Records, Volume 11" translated by Frederick S. Weiser and published by the Carroll County Historical Society, Westminster, MD. I found Balser in the Apple's Union Church Records. He served as sponsor for the baptism of Rutholf, son of Rutholf and Eva Herte, who was born 27 Feb 1781, and baptized 1 July 1781. His name was spelled Baltzer Toderer. The records are for the years 1773 - 1849. That was the only reference to him. The records for the Creagerstown Union Church are for 1789 - 1863, so Balzer was already in NC when that church was founded about 1787. Ray and Agnes Yount ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyer Criminal Lawyers - Click here. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. 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Best, Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 1-760-941-4716 [email protected] Researching McCAULEY, TUCKER, LEDBETTER, GORDON & YOUNG, SANDERS, WILSON, CHRISTIAN, BROWNLEE, SEE, CLEMMER, DETTRO..

Anyone know anything about any WILDERS? This is what I really am trying to find more on such as who was Catherine WILDERS husband? Burial record/death record for them, kids names??? I have a Widow WILDERS in Lower Antietam Hundred in 1810 census, then in 1820 census around Boonesboro I have Catherine WILDERS 45+ and one male 16-26, and then a James WILDERS two pages down, I think this is my James WILDERS and he married Catherine JUDY, I also think he is a son of the Catherine WILDERS.............. Anyone have access to orphans court records? Cemetery? Wills? Any and all that would help? I have looked everywhere......... James WILDERS and his family went to Adams Co, and Franklin Co, Pa. Died in Adams county. There was also a Sarah WILDERS (never married) who was in Adams County, Pa. I think she could be a sister of James. Then there is mention of an Aquilla JUDY in Adams County but went on to Centre County, I think maybe he could be a brother of Catherine JUDY WILDERS.........just hard proving all this! HA! HA! OH! James is buried in a Catholic cemetery in Adams County, so I'm thinking they were all Catholic???? Any church records that are available?? Thanks! Sharon in Fl. [email protected]

Yes, thanks, I a quite familiar with it. Sadly, I don't have a direct male line descendant. However I have a great deal on Walkers in WA, some of whom went to Franklin, PA, and then to OH. I think this Sarah is connected and that's why I'd like more info on her and her husband Thomas Hudson. On 7/14/11 7:17 PM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > Do you know about the large Walker DNA project? > My Walker line came to VA in 1658, documented as well as proven by DNA > tests. There are many different Walker lines in the project, one of the > first > organized. > > Linda > > > In a message dated 7/14/2011 2:52:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > I wonder if anyone has information on a Thomas Hudson who married a Sarah > Walker in 1800 in Washington Co. In 1810 he lived in Marsh Hundred. I > believe that Sarah is connected to my Walkers and so would like any hints > as > to her parents and death records. Thanks, Joan in Ohio > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject > and the body of the message > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Do you know about the large Walker DNA project? My Walker line came to VA in 1658, documented as well as proven by DNA tests. There are many different Walker lines in the project, one of the first organized. Linda In a message dated 7/14/2011 2:52:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I wonder if anyone has information on a Thomas Hudson who married a Sarah Walker in 1800 in Washington Co. In 1810 he lived in Marsh Hundred. I believe that Sarah is connected to my Walkers and so would like any hints as to her parents and death records. Thanks, Joan in Ohio ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I wonder if anyone has information on a Thomas Hudson who married a Sarah Walker in 1800 in Washington Co. In 1810 he lived in Marsh Hundred. I believe that Sarah is connected to my Walkers and so would like any hints as to her parents and death records. Thanks, Joan in Ohio

Requesting information of the parents of Joseph A. Brown, born December 9, 1827, in Foxville, Frederick County MD. died November 4, 1877 in Oppelo, Conway County, AK. He married Caroline Gordon, in Frederick County, MD. She was the daughter of John Gordon and Margaret McClain, her parents are buried at the Mount Moriah Cemetery in Foxville. Mike Hahn ____________________________________________________________ 57 Year Old Mom Looks 27! Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e1b925bcebf71dcdam02duc

Requesting information of the parents of Joseph A. Brown, born December 9, 1827, in Foxville, Frederick County MD. died November 4, 1877 in Oppelo, Conway County, AK. He married Caroline Gordon, in Frederick County, MD. She was the daughter of John Gordon and Margaret McClain, her parents are buried at the Mount Moriah Cemetery in Foxville. Mike Hahn ____________________________________________________________ 57 Year Old Mom Looks 27! Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e1b91e18d88a1dcbcm02duc

The following Will Abstracts are taken from microfilm of Washington Co., MD Register of Wills (Wills). The microfilm was difficult to read in places, so I may have transcribed some names/dates incorrectly. Please verify should you decide to use this info. These were the only Smith Wills I saw listed in Book C on the microfilm. Hopefully, this will help some of those trying to sort out their Smiths of Washington Co., MD. Jim ------------------------------------- ------------------------------------- 1815-1831 Book C Pgs 54-55 SMITH, Robert ..niece Susannah Fair/Tair/Tais/Tass ..niece Margaret Hitt w/o Martin Hitt with sons Samuel Merritt Hitt and Thomas Smith Hitt of Ohio Will written/probated: 20 May 1816 and 28 Oct 1818 Exec: Samuel Merritt Hitt and friend Archibald M. Haugh(Naugh) Witnesses: Richard Ragan, Jno Kennedy, Hugh Kennedy [Note: This Robert is well documented. He died single; father was James, sister Margaret, wife of John Reynolds.] ------------------------------------- Pgs 85-86 SMITH, Jacob ..w/ Mary ..d/ Sophia ..s/ Otho ..d/ Maria ..s/ Josiah ..s/ Hezekiah ..bro/ John ..bro/ Michael Codicil lists Mary’s father as James McClain Will written and probated: 26 Aug 1818 and 7 Jan 1819 Exec: his brother Michael Smith Witnesses: Lancelot Jaques Jun., Christopher Griffith, James Adams Witnesses for Codicil: Lancelot Jaques Jun, David Long, John Duffey -------------------------------- Pgs 176-177 SMITH, John ..w/ Sophia ..s/ David ..c/ at least one other child implied but not named ..John’s mother currently lives in Funkstown Will written/probated: 3 Sept 1822 and 23 Oct 1822 Exec: Sophia Smith and Michael Iseminger Witnesses: M. Collins, Septimus Stevens, Charles Miller --------------------------------- Pgs 311-312 Schmidt, Yost signed in German ..w/ Margaret ..c/ Alexander ..c Henry ..c/ Yost ..c/ Elizabeth ..c/ Margaretha ..c/ Annalisa ..c/ Christianna/Christina heirs ..c/ Magdalena ..c/ Mary ..c/ Sophia Will written/probated: 20 Feb 1826 and 6 Jun 1826 Exec: son Henry Smith and son-in-law Frederick Wolf Witnesses: John Kifaber (in German), John Extine (in German), George Stine (his mark) Henry relinquished his right on 6 Jun 1826 and signed in German. Distribution Records show Margaretha SPIELMAN, Annalisa CRUMRINE, Magdalena WOLF, Mary KEPLINGER, Sophia STINE ----------------------------- Pgs 336-337 SMITH, Joseph ..w/ Elizabeth ..children mentioned but none named ..has outlots bordering Sharpsburg which can be sold to support children Will written/probated: 29 Jun 1827 and 30 July 1827 Exec: Jacob Rohrback Witnesses: William Rohrback, John Kretzer (in German), Daniel Donnelly ----------------------------- Pgs 387-388 SMITH, Joseph ..w/ Catherina ..d/ Anny ..d/ Polly (now Polly McClain) ..s/ Michael Will written/probated: 6 Apr 1826 and 3 Mar 1829 Exec: Wife Catherine and son Michael Witnesses: Joseph Charles Jr., Michael Smith, Tary? Brachfield

Joan, Might be a good idea to let everyone know that they should never click on a link that they are not familiar with. And be sure to keep your anit-virus and spyware up to date. Bobbie H Brady Happy 4th to everyone!! ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [MDWashin] (no subject) ADMIN > Please disregard (and don't click the link) -- I've taken care of this and > placed the compromised address on moderated status. > > Thanks! > > Joan, co-admin > [email protected] > > > In a message dated 7/3/2011 12:06:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please disregard (and don't click the link) -- I've taken care of this and placed the compromised address on moderated status. Thanks! Joan, co-admin [email protected] In a message dated 7/3/2011 12:06:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: