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Hi everybody Just a short not to let you know my email address has changed Thanks linda malynda@jazd.com or malynda@jazzd.com I'm not sure which one is correct.

Would anyone on the list have the book showing ministers and the churches they served, and be willing to do a lookup for me? I am uncertain of the specific title of this book. Two of my ancestors were married in May of 1830 by Rev. Drane. I am wondering what church Rev. Drane served at that time. The ancestors who married were Gera South and Mrs. Sarah [Newson] Watts. If this resource is organized in such a way that it is not too difficult to do look-ups, I would really appreciate the assistance. Thank you very much, Daisy

Betty, would you mind checking your obit finder for a George PRICE and a Susannah PRICE, for the period 1800 to 1840? I would appriciate your help.

Thank you Lee, I guess my confusion lies in the fact that a Johann Heinrich did sign the ship's register which would indicate to me that he was an adult whereas Johann Ludwig, according to the church records would have been 14 or 15 at the time. Ludwig's brother Heinrich would have been about 10 years old. That would have been too young to sign, wouldn't it? Well, perhaps if I can get to Maysville, KY I may find more information which will help with this. I think now I should also pursue the Keedy-Rohrer connection. a bit if possible. Thanks again, Alice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee" <leeg@erols.com> To: <MDWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 2:34 AM Subject: Re: [MDWASHIN] Keedy-Rohrer Connection > At 08:39 PM 11/15/2004 -0500, you wrote: >>I leafed through the handwritten Cost Family genealogy last week. In it it >>mentions a Henry Keedy. According to the person who wrote this genealogy >>this Henry lost his father on the trip from Germany and was raised by a >>family named Rohrer. At first I thought this to be an error and then >>realized that he would possibly be the younger brother of Johann Ludwig >>Gutting. Today in going through some Kentucky research I came across a >>Jonathan Keedy who was part of a Rorer household. It gave his birth year >>as 1799 in Kentucky. Is anyone familiar with research on this Henry Keedy? >>Has anyone else come across this connection? >>Alice > > Alice according to family tradition, as published in Scharf's History of > Western MD. Supposedly Henry Keedy's father died on the way over from > Germany, Now there is no hard evidence per se, but there is some > collaborating evidence in German Church records from the area of Siegen. > What it appears is that a Johann (Joes) GUDING married Anna Maria Hener > and were the parents of: Johann Ludwick (b. 5 Dec 1737 Niedershelden) Anna > Catharine b. 9 Feb 1740, Johann Henrich (Henry) b. 16 Dec 1741, and Anna > Gestrand b. 7 Jan 1746. > > It is believed that they came over with or close to that of Joes cousin > Johann Henrich GUDING. father of Adam Guding/Keedy b. 23 Jan 1757. It is > though that Johann Henrich (son of Johann Ebert) married the widow of his > cousin Joes. (Anna Maria Hener). > > The other know member of the family that came over were George Adam > Geeting/Keedy who was a brother to Johannes Hernrich of John Ebert. > > Johann Ludwick married Catharine Welty and by 1805 were in Mason Co., KY > I am not sure who Jonathan is, the same as Jonathan b ca. 1800 found in > 1850 census of Logan Co. KY. > He may be a son of Johann Ludwick > > To add complication to this mess there is also a Jasper/Gasper/Casper > KEEDY/GUDING living in Rockbridge Co., VA in the late 1700s, Ihave a copy > of the marriage bond he signed for his daughter. and I do not know where > he fits in... > > KEEDY is a english spelling for GU(umlat)DING or GU(umlat)TTING and hence > also was spelled GEETING as well as KEEDY. > There are a couple of documents where the clerk spelled the name KEEDY but > it signed in German as GU(umlat)DING.. > > > > > > > > > > ==== MDWASHIN Mailing List ==== > NO FLAMING ALLOWED HERE! Only friendly chat allowed...Thanks! > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Thanks Betty for looking! George was probably the son of Henry! Do you know what the article of 7/11/1844 says, or do I need to write elsewhere to find it? George Adam NEIKIRK died in 7/5/1844, so this may be his OBIT! Would be nice to see what it says! Thanks, Diana in AL Yes...nice to be back online again! ----- Original Message ----- From: BJCFamTree@aol.com To: MDWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [MDWASHIN] Wolford family inquiry Nice to be back on line with this server... The only spelling for this name was Neikirk. There was no Henry or Mary listed. George no/age 11 July 1844 in Torch Light newspaper Samuel 71 23 August 1929 Daily Mail newspaper Anna 83 13 Nov 1909 Daily Mail newspaper Betty ______________________________

Alice, In Chas Glatfelter's 'Pastors and People: Congregations, Vol 1, there is a Charles LANGE, Reformed pastor who became pastor in 1766 in Frederick MD, served there and in Wash Co and outlying areas until he left in 1768 and went to Augusta Co, VA. I don’t know if he could be who you are looking for. He performed baptisms in 1767-8 in Taneytown (Carroll Co), and Frederick and Middletown 1766-1768, Antietam Reformed Congregation where he baptized 13 children in the 'congregation on the Potomac' in 1767; Conococheague, Sharpsburg in 1767 (baptized 7). This reference does not provide names of those baptized! It is a compilation of the Lutheran and Reformed pastors and the churches they served, from NY, NJ, PA, MD, VA, WVA, and DC in the years 1717-1793. Diana in AL ----- Original Message ----- From: Alice Hawrilenko To: MDWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 10:44 AM Subject: Clergyman Longe Does anyone know which community this clergyman served from 1766-1768? I know he was in Frederick (later Washington) County as a Heinrich Keedy was naturalized as a member of his congregation in 1767. Many thanks. Alice ______________________________

At 08:39 PM 11/15/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I leafed through the handwritten Cost Family genealogy last week. In it it >mentions a Henry Keedy. According to the person who wrote this genealogy >this Henry lost his father on the trip from Germany and was raised by a >family named Rohrer. At first I thought this to be an error and then >realized that he would possibly be the younger brother of Johann Ludwig >Gutting. Today in going through some Kentucky research I came across a >Jonathan Keedy who was part of a Rorer household. It gave his birth year >as 1799 in Kentucky. Is anyone familiar with research on this Henry Keedy? >Has anyone else come across this connection? >Alice Alice according to family tradition, as published in Scharf's History of Western MD. Supposedly Henry Keedy's father died on the way over from Germany, Now there is no hard evidence per se, but there is some collaborating evidence in German Church records from the area of Siegen. What it appears is that a Johann (Joes) GUDING married Anna Maria Hener and were the parents of: Johann Ludwick (b. 5 Dec 1737 Niedershelden) Anna Catharine b. 9 Feb 1740, Johann Henrich (Henry) b. 16 Dec 1741, and Anna Gestrand b. 7 Jan 1746. It is believed that they came over with or close to that of Joes cousin Johann Henrich GUDING. father of Adam Guding/Keedy b. 23 Jan 1757. It is though that Johann Henrich (son of Johann Ebert) married the widow of his cousin Joes. (Anna Maria Hener). The other know member of the family that came over were George Adam Geeting/Keedy who was a brother to Johannes Hernrich of John Ebert. Johann Ludwick married Catharine Welty and by 1805 were in Mason Co., KY I am not sure who Jonathan is, the same as Jonathan b ca. 1800 found in 1850 census of Logan Co. KY. He may be a son of Johann Ludwick To add complication to this mess there is also a Jasper/Gasper/Casper KEEDY/GUDING living in Rockbridge Co., VA in the late 1700s, Ihave a copy of the marriage bond he signed for his daughter. and I do not know where he fits in... KEEDY is a english spelling for GU(umlat)DING or GU(umlat)TTING and hence also was spelled GEETING as well as KEEDY. There are a couple of documents where the clerk spelled the name KEEDY but it signed in German as GU(umlat)DING..

Hi.. My early distant relatives were from Hagerstown and went to that church. I was interested in the same church data. It is is available on microfilm from the Mormon archives. I spent a lot of time studying it. To see it, go to a local Mormon church and ask for the Genealogy Library. Non members are always welcome to use the Library. (I am not a Mormon) They will order a copy of the microfilm from Salt Lake. Takes a couple of weeks to get it. The local Library retains the microfilm but individual pages can be copied. There are microfilm readers and page copiers on site. The service is very inexpensive and is an excellent source of information. If you are unable to identify the correct tape from their catalog, let me know; I probably have the tape ID number in my records. Regards.. Bill Hopwood woodhop@cablespeed.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maria Brower" <mbrower@nccn.net> To: <MDWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 9:07 PM Subject: [MDWASHIN] St. John's Evang. Luth Church > Does anyone know if there is a printed transcript/abstract or index to St. > John's Evang. Luth Church, Hagerstown? Or where originals would be? > I am looking to prove the marriage of Susanna Reitenauer/Ridenour b. 1786 > (d/o Martin Reitenauer and Catherine Kershner) and David Barr/Behn October > 12, 1805. > Maria E. Brower, CA > > > > > ==== MDWASHIN Mailing List ==== > The OFFICIAL website for this list is: > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/MD/washington/ > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

I leafed through the handwritten Cost Family genealogy last week. In it it mentions a Henry Keedy. According to the person who wrote this genealogy this Henry lost his father on the trip from Germany and was raised by a family named Rohrer. At first I thought this to be an error and then realized that he would possibly be the younger brother of Johann Ludwig Gutting. Today in going through some Kentucky research I came across a Jonathan Keedy who was part of a Rorer household. It gave his birth year as 1799 in Kentucky. Is anyone familiar with research on this Henry Keedy? Has anyone else come across this connection? Alice

Well Gordon - my addled mind is inclined to agree with your suggestion of "German Alexanders" in Maryland being created through the influence of a German mother & neighbors. The main trunk of my tree (of which the Alexanders are a branch) were first Scot/Irish Presbyterians in 18th century VA surrounded by Quakers. I then find them in the Methodist records. One of these Methodist males married an Alexander female and began an association with the Lutheran Church. As you hint - often the wife's religion is more dominant in the marriage. This would certainly explain away a lot of confusion I face with my Middletown Alexander family and I thank you for offering it. Susan gordon crooks wrote: > Susan: There is another thing too. While we were strict Presbyterian > Convenantors, by the 3rd generation I started to see mariiages in > Lutheran and other churches. Marriage was usually in the brides > church. It has always been a surprise to me that the Scots and the > Germans mingled so well together from almost the begining, they were > neighbors, friends, and fellow soldiers in the Revolution. > > Gordon >

Well this is only a guess , but there is a Keedysville, Md. and its some place in Western Md., so that shouyld be a start for you. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice Hawrilenko" <alicepat47@comcast.net> To: <MDWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 12:44 PM Subject: [MDWASHIN] Clergyman Longe > Does anyone know which community this clergyman served from 1766-1768? I > know he was in Frederick (later Washington) County as a Heinrich Keedy was > naturalized as a member of his congregation in 1767. Many thanks. > Alice > > > ==== MDWASHIN Mailing List ==== > Can't find it in Washington County...Try Frederick County at: > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/MD/frederick/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >

Susan: There is another thing too. While we were strict Presbyterian Convenantors, by the 3rd generation I started to see mariiages in Lutheran and other churches. Marriage was usually in the brides church. It has always been a surprise to me that the Scots and the Germans mingled so well together from almost the begining, they were neighbors, friends, and fellow soldiers in the Revolution. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan McIntyre" <sbmc2@chartermi.net> To: <MDWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [MDWASHIN] Losing my mind... > There was a recent discussion on the Frederick Co. MD list regarding the > accuracy of many of the published Historical & Biographical books. It was > very wisely pointed out that the accuracy is occasionally based on "the > point of view (and abilities) of the researcher" and "traditional factors" > such as oral history of an area or family (not always verified by > documentation). > I personally am researching the Alexander family in Frederick Co. MD who > one would assume were originally from the UK but beginning in the mid > 1700's are found in the German Church Records. This leaves me wondering > if they were originally German (immigrated from UK?) or perhaps on arrival > in America they married into a German family and chose to follow the > wife's religion. The church records show names appearing to be German but > you have to realize that the person recording the information was > influenced by their (and the churches) German background. So as the > surnames in later records were changed to English spellings (Jung to > Young, Mueller to Miller, etc) perhaps the names in earlier records were > changed to the German spellings ((Henry to Henrich, George to Jorg, etc). > That is just my confused view on the subject but I can recommend using any > publication, oral history or online site ONLY as a guide to look for > documentation. > Good Luck in your research. > > > > tkfarrowwelker@wowway.com wrote: > >>I have always been told that my FARROW line was of English Descent. Then >>a ancestor's bio said Scots-Irish which made sense since a "Fighting John >>Farrow" arrived in the colonies was Scotch Irish. But now... >> >>In Scharf's History of Western Maryland he states; >> >>His father (Nathaniel) and mother (Mary Mccall) were natives of Maryland, >>and were descended respectively from French and German ancestry...now I >>ask you, which name is French and which is German? >> >>McCall sounds Irish to me...what am I missing here? >> >>Also, I see several other errors in the passages, date of death for Nathan >>is 1860 as per his stone and death notice yet Scharf states it was 1859, >>and it states Mary is living with her son Henry Clay Farrow in Garrett >>City Ind when she never lived there...she was in Martinsburg WVA. >> >>Any help? >>Terri Farrow >>OHIO >>-- >> >> > > > ==== MDWASHIN Mailing List ==== > Can't find it in Washington County...Try Frederick County at: > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/MD/frederick/ > > ============================== > New! OneWorldTree. Building Trees. Connecting Families. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13970/rd.ashx > > >

Thank you Phillip for sharing that information. I have discovered several families that started out with proper ethnic surname who eventually changed them to shorter English translations (Aukstakalnis to Hill for example). But for the life of me I cannot figure out how a surname like Alexander relates to a German/Swiss word. The best I can come up with is that an Alexander family migrated to Germany well before coming to the U.S. or were strongly influenced by marriage into a German family. Either way I am thankful - since their appearance in the early Maryland German Church Records have been such a help. If the family had belonged to one of the religions associated with the early U.K. I would be struggling with Alexanders even more than I am. You were lucky to discover the name change in your research - or perhaps it just adds to the confusion? Susan Phillip Little wrote: >Hi Susan: > The Kleins of Germany and/or Switzerland changed their names to Little as they established the town of Littlestown, Adams Co., PA. Klein and Little both mean little or small. Phil Little, KS > > > >

George Washington Hahn, born 30 Oct 1836, Ringgold District, at Blue Mountain, Washington Co. MD, the son of John and Elizabeth Delosier Hahn, George Washington Hahn, married Susan Elizabeth Sturdevant, 5 Jan 1865, Franklin Co., PA. Lived their lives at Blue Mountain. Elizabeth Delosier Hahn married second Thomas J. Spencer circa 1843, and lived in the Ringgold District. Elizabeth Delosier is the daughter of Ignatius and Susan Nichols Delosier of the Ringgold District at Blue Mountain, north of Smithsburg, Washington Co.MD. Need conformation on the marriage of John Hahn and Elizabeth Delosier, circa 1835. Have data and research of Hahn, Delosier (Delozier), Niohols, Elder, Brown, Sturdevant, Smith, Miller, Fox, McGlaughlin, Harbaugh, Hoover, Stoops, Manahan and Law's of Washington County and Frederick County MD. into Franklin County, PA. and beyond. The Brown family includes familys such as Wolfe, Pryor, Royer, Willard, McAfee, Conrad (Coonrod) and many more.

There was a recent discussion on the Frederick Co. MD list regarding the accuracy of many of the published Historical & Biographical books. It was very wisely pointed out that the accuracy is occasionally based on "the point of view (and abilities) of the researcher" and "traditional factors" such as oral history of an area or family (not always verified by documentation). I personally am researching the Alexander family in Frederick Co. MD who one would assume were originally from the UK but beginning in the mid 1700's are found in the German Church Records. This leaves me wondering if they were originally German (immigrated from UK?) or perhaps on arrival in America they married into a German family and chose to follow the wife's religion. The church records show names appearing to be German but you have to realize that the person recording the information was influenced by their (and the churches) German background. So as the surnames in later records were changed to English spellings (Jung to Young, Mueller to Miller, etc) perhaps the names in earlier records were changed to the German spellings ((Henry to Henrich, George to Jorg, etc). That is just my confused view on the subject but I can recommend using any publication, oral history or online site ONLY as a guide to look for documentation. Good Luck in your research. tkfarrowwelker@wowway.com wrote: >I have always been told that my FARROW line was of English Descent. Then a >ancestor's bio said Scots-Irish which made sense since a "Fighting John >Farrow" arrived in the colonies was Scotch Irish. But now... > >In Scharf's History of Western Maryland he states; > >His father (Nathaniel) and mother (Mary Mccall) were natives of Maryland, and >were descended respectively from French and German ancestry...now I ask you, >which name is French and which is German? > >McCall sounds Irish to me...what am I missing here? > >Also, I see several other errors in the passages, date of death for Nathan is >1860 as per his stone and death notice yet Scharf states it was 1859, and it >states Mary is living with her son Henry Clay Farrow in Garrett City Ind when >she never lived there...she was in Martinsburg WVA. > >Any help? > >Terri Farrow >OHIO >-- > > >

Hi Maria: Try www.heritagebooks.com, a great source of such books in Westminster, MD 4211577-5026. My copies of "Washington County, Maryland Church Records of the 18th Century 1768 - 1800", " Bible Records of Washington County, Maryland", and "Maryland German Church Records, vol 12, Zion Evangelical and Reformed Church, Hagerstown, MD" will take a lot of your time as they have mine. A skilled genealogist told me not to put to much faith on the name as the name of that Hagerstown Lutheran church changed with each pastor change. Good hunting, Phil of KS Maria Brower <mbrower@nccn.net> wrote: Does anyone know if there is a printed transcript/abstract or index to St. John's Evang. Luth Church, Hagerstown? Or where originals would be? I am looking to prove the marriage of Susanna Reitenauer/Ridenour b. 1786 (d/o Martin Reitenauer and Catherine Kershner) and David Barr/Behn October 12, 1805. Maria E. Brower, CA ==== MDWASHIN Mailing List ==== The OFFICIAL website for this list is: http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/MD/washington/ ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Hi Susan: The Kleins of Germany and/or Switzerland changed their names to Little as they established the town of Littlestown, Adams Co., PA. Klein and Little both mean little or small. Phil Little, KS Susan McIntyre <sbmc2@chartermi.net> wrote: There was a recent discussion on the Frederick Co. MD list regarding the accuracy of many of the published Historical & Biographical books. It was very wisely pointed out that the accuracy is occasionally based on "the point of view (and abilities) of the researcher" and "traditional factors" such as oral history of an area or family (not always verified by documentation). I personally am researching the Alexander family in Frederick Co. MD who one would assume were originally from the UK but beginning in the mid 1700's are found in the German Church Records. This leaves me wondering if they were originally German (immigrated from UK?) or perhaps on arrival in America they married into a German family and chose to follow the wife's religion. The church records show names appearing to be German but you have to realize that the person recording the information was influenced by their (and the churches) German background. So as the surnames in later records were changed to English spellings (Jung to Young, Mueller to Miller, etc) perhaps the names in earlier records were changed to the German spellings ((Henry to Henrich, George to Jorg, etc). That is just my confused view on the subject but I can recommend using any publication, oral history or online site ONLY as a guide to look for documentation. Good Luck in your research. tkfarrowwelker@wowway.com wrote: >I have always been told that my FARROW line was of English Descent. Then a >ancestor's bio said Scots-Irish which made sense since a "Fighting John >Farrow" arrived in the colonies was Scotch Irish. But now... > >In Scharf's History of Western Maryland he states; > >His father (Nathaniel) and mother (Mary Mccall) were natives of Maryland, and >were descended respectively from French and German ancestry...now I ask you, >which name is French and which is German? > >McCall sounds Irish to me...what am I missing here? > >Also, I see several other errors in the passages, date of death for Nathan is >1860 as per his stone and death notice yet Scharf states it was 1859, and it >states Mary is living with her son Henry Clay Farrow in Garrett City Ind when >she never lived there...she was in Martinsburg WVA. > >Any help? > >Terri Farrow >OHIO >-- > > > ==== MDWASHIN Mailing List ==== Can't find it in Washington County...Try Frederick County at: http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/MD/frederick/ ============================== New! OneWorldTree. Building Trees. Connecting Families. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13970/rd.ashx

Does anyone know which community this clergyman served from 1766-1768? I know he was in Frederick (later Washington) County as a Heinrich Keedy was naturalized as a member of his congregation in 1767. Many thanks. Alice

Nice to be back on line with this server... The only spelling for this name was Neikirk. There was no Henry or Mary listed. George no/age 11 July 1844 in Torch Light newspaper Samuel 71 23 August 1929 Daily Mail newspaper Anna 83 13 Nov 1909 Daily Mail newspaper Betty