Actually, that link doesn't work but this one does. http://www.huguenots-france.org/english.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@BCPL.net> To: <MDWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [MDWASHIN] (no subject) > HTTP://HUGUENOTS-FRANCE.ORG/ENGLISH.HTM > > Since this is all you asked for, this is all you will get. Enjoy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <RNAN3815@aol.com> > To: <MDWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 10:49 AM > Subject: Re: [MDWASHIN] (no subject) > > >> PLEASE reenter in Bold FACE TYPE the web site. It will help all who are >> interested in the site >> >> As well it will make your day more pleasant!! >> >> Sincerely >> >> Bob >> >> >> ==== MDWASHIN Mailing List ==== >> Can't find it in Washington County...Try Frederick County at: >> http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/MD/frederick/ >> >> ============================== >> OneWorldTree - The World's largest family tree. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13971/rd.ashx >> >> > > > ==== MDWASHIN Mailing List ==== > Are your ancestors Pennsylvania Dutch?? Check out the Pennsylvania Dutch > Family History site at: > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/padutch/ > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

This is my third post on this topic - apparently the first two went to lala land in the big crash we had. I managed to get hold of an old treatise from John Hopkins University Studies The Land System In Maryland, 1720-1765 by Clarence P. Gould, Ph.D. (Michael Fisher Professor of History in the University of Wooster) Baltimore, John Hopkins Press 1913 There are some emigration patterns in here that might be helpful to people as they research their early families. "In light of the foregoing figures and expressions of opinion it can scarcely be doubted that the quit-rent constituted a serious burden on the land of colonial Maryland and materially retarded the progess of the province." Because this constituted a burden to land ownership people bypassed Maryland. "In the advance of the Germans into the great Appalachian valleys, Maryland was at first avoided. Many families moved from Pennsylvania into Virginia apparently without thought of settling on the rich lands along the Monacacy through which they journeyed." I tend to forget how wild and untamed the country was for the people moving into new areas. Apparently one of the ways Daniel Dulaney helped the German settlers at Frederick was by providing them with "pistoles" to protect themselves. Has anyone ever seen the list of 25 German settlers at Frederick mentioned below? And has anyone seen any publications from the Society for the History of Germans to Maryland listed below with reference to Hagerstown and Jonathan Hager? p. 87 "Daniel Dulany was one of the first as well as one of the largest and most successful dealers in Frederick County. When he first took up large tracts in this region, it was generally thought he was on the road to financial ruin, but on his land was formed one of the earliest settlements. This start, combined with the favorable location, soon created on his property the metropolis of the Monocacy Valley. In 1745 Dulany himself laid out a town, which he called Frederick; he also gave land for churches, and seems to have assumed a sort of guardianship over the community." This passage is footnoted with "A letter signed by twenty-five German settlers read in part; "One of the Principal Gentlemen of this Country (Mr. Dulany) who lives at Annapolis, the Capital of this Province, was so kind as to Assist us wth 306 Pistoles & to free us from ye Captain's Power, we are Perswaded that this Gentlemen will be Serviceable to Aid and Assist all Germans that will Settle in this Province." (Calvert Papers, M.S., No. 295 1/2) p. 88 "Another place which developed in a manner very similar to Frederick was Hagerstown. Jonathan Hager, a German immigrant, settled in that region and took up land. Following the lead of Dulany, he built up his settlement, and after the close of the Indian Wars, laid out a town. Eddis writes: 'A German adventurer, whose name is Hager, purchased a considerable tract of land in this neighborhood, and with much discernment and foresight, determined to give encouragement to traders, and to erect proper habitations for the stowage of goods, for the supply of the adjacent country. His plan succeeded: he has lived to behold a multitude of inhabitants on land which he remembered unoccupied; and he has seen erected in places appropriated by him for that purpose, more than a hundred comfortable edifices, to which the name of Hager's Town is given, in honour of the intelligent founder.'" The author says, see also Sollers, "Jonathan Hager," in Society for the History of Germans in Maryland, second annual report. page 85 "At an early period Augustine Hermann took up a large tract known as Bohemia Manor in Cecil County and rented much of it out to Germans whom he brought over from the Delaware." This is another place we might look for early German settlers besides Pennsylvania and Virginia. Lauren Brantner

Sorry, I only have Vol. II and III of the Cemetery volumes and there aren't these Wolfords in them - perhaps someone who has the other volumes could help you. There is in existence a typescript, Births and Baptisms of St. Paul's Lutheran and Reformed Church Near Clear Spring, 1788-1801, typed, 17 pages. But Russell's guide does not say where they reside. You might check the Historical Society Library and the Washington Free Library to see if it is in either of their collections. If you find where it resides, please let the list know because someone else needed to find those records within the last year. This typescript also tells you that it was a union church - Reformed and Lutherans shared a building and probably sometimes pastors covered for each other as was the custom. Most people will tell you to look at both records in a union church - in this case they appear to be together. Lauren Brantner BJCFamTree@aol.com wrote: >on page 1250 of Scharf's history of Washington Co. Md, the following was >written--On the summit of the ridge immediately east of Clearspring is Rose Hill >Cemetery...etc. > The next paragraph , 'The subjoined are the names of the old >residents whose remains lie in St. Paul's Reformed Church Cemetery. etc. > next paragraph -- the statement: In the churchyard of St. Paul's the >following are interred: John Wolford , Sr. died Nov. 15, 1856, aged 62 years, >1 month The St. PAul's referred to is the church near Clearspring, Md. > > >==== MDWASHIN Mailing List ==== >The OFFICIAL website for this list is: >http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/MD/washington/ > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > >. > > >

Since this issue popped up, I thought I'd mention that site and domain names ( http://www.huguenots-france.org as an example) are not case sensitive, but often, the portion of the website beyond that (/english.htm for example) ARE USUALLY case sensitive. As always, to avoid errors, it is best to cut and paste the website address using the editing functions of the browser, since typos can often creep into website names. I hope this doesn't thoroughly confuse anyone. The easy way to remember this is that the site name gets you to the machine and the portion beyond that gets you to an actual file name. tnx, john Alice Hawrilenko wrote: > Actually, that link doesn't work but this one does. > http://www.huguenots-france.org/english.htm > ----- Original Message ----- From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@BCPL.net> > To: <MDWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 11:14 AM > Subject: Re: [MDWASHIN] (no subject) > > >> HTTP://HUGUENOTS-FRANCE.ORG/ENGLISH.HTM >> >> Since this is all you asked for, this is all you will get. Enjoy >> ----- Original Message ----- From: <RNAN3815@aol.com> >> To: <MDWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 10:49 AM >> Subject: Re: [MDWASHIN] (no subject) >> >> >>> PLEASE reenter in Bold FACE TYPE the web site. It will help all who >>> are interested in the site >>> >>> As well it will make your day more pleasant!! >>> >>> Sincerely >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> ==== MDWASHIN Mailing List ==== >>> Can't find it in Washington County...Try Frederick County at: >>> http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/MD/frederick/ >>> >>> ============================== >>> OneWorldTree - The World's largest family tree. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13971/rd.ashx >>> >>> >> >> >> ==== MDWASHIN Mailing List ==== >> Are your ancestors Pennsylvania Dutch?? Check out the Pennsylvania >> Dutch Family History site at: >> http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/padutch/ >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> > > > ==== MDWASHIN Mailing List ==== > If you have any problems feel free to address those to the list > administrator: MDWASHIN-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > OneWorldTree - The World's largest family tree. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13971/rd.ashx > > >

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PLEASE reenter in Bold FACE TYPE the web site. It will help all who are interested in the site As well it will make your day more pleasant!! Sincerely Bob

on page 1250 of Scharf's history of Washington Co. Md, the following was written--On the summit of the ridge immediately east of Clearspring is Rose Hill Cemetery...etc. The next paragraph , 'The subjoined are the names of the old residents whose remains lie in St. Paul's Reformed Church Cemetery. etc. next paragraph -- the statement: In the churchyard of St. Paul's the following are interred: John Wolford , Sr. died Nov. 15, 1856, aged 62 years, 1 month The St. PAul's referred to is the church near Clearspring, Md.

First, thanks to those that responded.... I have been told that there are several St. Paul's... I have a reference which may help in Scharf's "History fo Western MD" on page p. 1251 there is a reference to "In the churchyard of St. Paul's the following people are buried.... John Wolford, Sr. d. Nov 14, 1774, aged 62 yrs. 1 month, etc. The same page late starts with cemteries in Hancock Dist. but I did not copy or note what District St. Paul's was part of... Perhaps someone can indentify what district and locatin this St. Paul's is from this info Thanks Paul Pettit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren Brantner" <lrbrant@concentric.net> To: <MDWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [MDWASHIN] St. Paul's Church and Cemetery > From George Ely Russell's guide to research in Washington County in his > list of available church records are these entries: > St. Paul's Church - (both Evangelical Lutheran and Reformed) 9 miles west > of Hagerstown > St. Paul's Lutheran and Reformed Church near Clear Spring > St. Paul's Lutheran Church Funkstown > St. Paul's Evangelical Lutheran Church, Greensburg > St. Paul's Church, Antietam Parish, Sharpsburg > > There is a St. Pauls M.E. Church Graveyard in Cavetown. There may be more; > St. Paul was popular. You would be more easily helped perhaps if you > asked for a lookup of the people you are researching. The 7 or so volumes > of cemetery records are organized by districts and then by cemeteries but > they all have an alphabetic name index in the back of them. > > Lauren Brantner > > > ==== MDWASHIN Mailing List ==== > The OFFICIAL website for this list is: > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/MD/washington/ > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Based upon what I read today you almost need to go back to Germany to fully understand it. I found a page on the "Peace of Westphalia" which is probably a good beginning. In my case I find a tightly knit German immigrant family from the Palatine around Siegen. Early in their history they seem to have been members of the Reformed Church in Frederick County and active in the Church Community. Their lands were largely located in Lower Antietam not far from Sharpsburg. Prior to the Revolution I find them. From the Revolution on all I find are land records and no church records. But I have yet to check out additional leads I received this week fronm Lauren and Lee and Diana. I have learned that most of my ancestors appear to have moved on to KY and OH from 1798 on. How much that had to do with Church membership I cannot say but I have some hunches based on contemporary family history! As the saying goes..."apples don't fall to far from the tree"...In my case religion was apparently a driving force on both sides of my mom's family. The Irish Catholic and the German reformed...what a difference two generations can make! Alice ----- Original Message ----- From: <swe@cox.net> To: <MDWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [MDWASHIN] Re: Reformed Church Records Question >I too am interested in information about the Reformed church. I have an >ancestor who attended a Reformed church and Sabbath School for fifty years >(mentioned in her obituary). What denomination is this? I don't know which >church it was, but perhaps Union Reformed Church in State Line, PA just >across the Washington Co. border. Her parents are buried there. One of her >daughters married a man of the Brethren faith. >> >> From: "DIANA QUINONES" <audiana@msn.com> >> Date: 2004/11/19 Fri AM 02:34:27 EST >> To: MDWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [MDWASHIN] Re: Reformed Church Records Question >> >> Alice, >> You mention the folks you are following have no particular denomination, >> but you should list their names on the MDWASH list and maybe someone will >> find something. >> There are a lot of great folks on this list! >> >> The Rev. GEETING that you mention was also spelled GUETING, George Adam! >> He was a Reformed pastor, b 1741 in Europe at Niederschelden, >> Nassau-Siegen, came to America in 1759, settled near Keedysville, was >> one of two class men designated a class leader from Antietam. He went >> to the 1788 coetus and asked to be formally and regularly received into >> the ministry. Was examined and ordained but, so the minutes say, only >> after a long discussion, pro and con. Reasons given for ordination were >> 'the Maryland congregations which he was serving were very poor and thus >> unattractive to ministers who come from Europe; he had served these >> congregations for several years under Ottenbein's supervision, and >> ordination would relieve Ottenbein of the burden and give the >> congregations services of a regular minister. >> >> (Ottenbein was Philip William Ottenbein, arrived 1752 served in PA and >> then MD beg 1760 - Antietam, described as 'quiet and pious'.) >> >> But.... GUETING began taking minutes for the Brethren church, and was >> scolded by the Reformed pastors for his ways! However, he never joined >> the Brethren, and was referred to by several other pastors as a Reformed >> pastor in their biographies! >> >> Gueting served Antietam abt 1788 until he died. He rarely attended the >> Reformed coetus meetings and was finally expelled in 1804 for 'his >> disorderly ways'. These ways were participating in developing the United >> Brethren church, yet he continued to preach often in Reformed churches. >> He died in 1812 returning from a visit to a Reformed mentor, Otterbein in >> Baltimore. Buried in Mt Hebron, near Keedysville. Widow Elizabeth, 5 >> sons, 4 daus. >> Rev. Otterbein died 1813 in Baltimore, and he too had flirted with the >> Brethren Church as, at his funeral there was no representative of the >> Reformed church officiating, but were Lutheran, Methodist and Episcopal >> pastors! In his will, he called himself a pastor of the 'Evangelical >> Reformed church'. >> Apparently there was religious turmoil in those years within the >> different churches! >> >> Interesting history! >> >> Source: 'Pastors and Peoples', Vol 1, Pastors and Congregations, by Chas. >> H Glatfelter, pub 1980 by Kutztown Pub Co, pages 49 and 101-102. >> >> Send your names to the MDWASHIN list and I am sure someone will have >> something for you! >> >> Diana in AL >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Alice Hawrilenko >> To: DIANA QUINONES >> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 9:22 PM >> Subject: Re: Reformed Church Records Question >> >> >> Thank you Donna. >> What intrigues me is that my maternal-paternal ancestors were members >> of the Reformed Church. I see no MD history in the link you sent me. >> But...they came here from the Palatine via Rotterdam. Are you aware of >> any MD links? I will write to the NJ address and see if they ghave any >> information I can use. Thank you again. >> Alice >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: DIANA QUINONES >> To: MDWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com ; Alice Hawrilenko >> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 9:32 PM >> Subject: Re: Reformed Church Records Question >> >> >> Alice, >> this link has a 'brief outline' under 'history' about the Reformed >> Church of America. >> >> http://www.rca.org/aboutus/index.html >> >> Diana in AL >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Alice Hawrilenko >> To: MDWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 6:03 PM >> Subject: Reformed Church Records Question >> >> >> I am interested in understanding the "Reformed Church" from 1750 >> through the 19th century. Can anyone please recommend a reference for me? >> What are the roots of this denomination? Would there be records located >> outside MD which may not be at the local libraries or historical >> societies? That suggestion was made to me in Frederick. I know that >> George Adam Geeting began as a Reformed Minister but moved on to United >> Brethren, as I understand it. Other Keedys remained Reformed and still >> others are found in Episcopal and Lutheran Congregations. The folks I am >> following seem to have no records in any particular denomination after >> the Revolution. I'm trying to sort out relationships here and I think >> some background in German Church History would be very helpful as it >> relates to Western MD and Southern PA. Were there Fraternal groups that >> in some cases may have replaced a Church? WRT the Palatine immigration, >> what were the Religious roots? Please forgive my ignorance on this! > s! >> ubject! >> . >> Alice >> >> ______________________________ >> >> >> ==== MDWASHIN Mailing List ==== >> Are your ancestors Pennsylvania Dutch?? Check out the Pennsylvania Dutch >> Family History site at: >> http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/padutch/ >> >> ============================== >> Expand your family tree. 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Bob: I put the info about the URL Huguenots on the web and it got screwed up bad, I have sent at least 20 private msgs. to people who didn't get it properly. To say that I am grumpy is putting very mildly Grumpy Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: <RNAN3815@aol.com> To: <MDWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 4:21 PM Subject: [MDWASHIN] (no subject) > > Why didn't I learn that last year when I had Dr. Black's book of surnames > of > Scotland - one never learns. I have put the instrs. on each web site, so > other than instructing people who can't read to read I am > done>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > The above is the answer I received when asking the author for a web site > for > his story about a web site about a church group. > > Rather a grumpy answer to say the least! > > Bob > > > > > ==== MDWASHIN Mailing List ==== > Many Washington County families are online at the FamilyHart Database. > The url is: > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/familyhart/ > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > >

I too am interested in information about the Reformed church. I have an ancestor who attended a Reformed church and Sabbath School for fifty years (mentioned in her obituary). What denomination is this? I don't know which church it was, but perhaps Union Reformed Church in State Line, PA just across the Washington Co. border. Her parents are buried there. One of her daughters married a man of the Brethren faith. > > From: "DIANA QUINONES" <audiana@msn.com> > Date: 2004/11/19 Fri AM 02:34:27 EST > To: MDWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MDWASHIN] Re: Reformed Church Records Question > > Alice, > You mention the folks you are following have no particular denomination, but you should list their names on the MDWASH list and maybe someone will find something. > There are a lot of great folks on this list! > > The Rev. GEETING that you mention was also spelled GUETING, George Adam! He was a Reformed pastor, b 1741 in Europe at Niederschelden, Nassau-Siegen, came to America in 1759, settled near Keedysville, was one of two class men designated a class leader from Antietam. He went to the 1788 coetus and asked to be formally and regularly received into the ministry. Was examined and ordained but, so the minutes say, only after a long discussion, pro and con. Reasons given for ordination were 'the Maryland congregations which he was serving were very poor and thus unattractive to ministers who come from Europe; he had served these congregations for several years under Ottenbein's supervision, and ordination would relieve Ottenbein of the burden and give the congregations services of a regular minister. > > (Ottenbein was Philip William Ottenbein, arrived 1752 served in PA and then MD beg 1760 - Antietam, described as 'quiet and pious'.) > > But.... GUETING began taking minutes for the Brethren church, and was scolded by the Reformed pastors for his ways! However, he never joined the Brethren, and was referred to by several other pastors as a Reformed pastor in their biographies! > > Gueting served Antietam abt 1788 until he died. He rarely attended the Reformed coetus meetings and was finally expelled in 1804 for 'his disorderly ways'. These ways were participating in developing the United Brethren church, yet he continued to preach often in Reformed churches. He died in 1812 returning from a visit to a Reformed mentor, Otterbein in Baltimore. Buried in Mt Hebron, near Keedysville. Widow Elizabeth, 5 sons, 4 daus. > Rev. Otterbein died 1813 in Baltimore, and he too had flirted with the Brethren Church as, at his funeral there was no representative of the Reformed church officiating, but were Lutheran, Methodist and Episcopal pastors! In his will, he called himself a pastor of the 'Evangelical Reformed church'. > Apparently there was religious turmoil in those years within the different churches! > > Interesting history! > > Source: 'Pastors and Peoples', Vol 1, Pastors and Congregations, by Chas. H Glatfelter, pub 1980 by Kutztown Pub Co, pages 49 and 101-102. > > Send your names to the MDWASHIN list and I am sure someone will have something for you! > > Diana in AL > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alice Hawrilenko > To: DIANA QUINONES > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 9:22 PM > Subject: Re: Reformed Church Records Question > > > Thank you Donna. > What intrigues me is that my maternal-paternal ancestors were members of the Reformed Church. I see no MD history in the link you sent me. But...they came here from the Palatine via Rotterdam. Are you aware of any MD links? I will write to the NJ address and see if they ghave any information I can use. Thank you again. > Alice > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DIANA QUINONES > To: MDWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com ; Alice Hawrilenko > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 9:32 PM > Subject: Re: Reformed Church Records Question > > > Alice, > this link has a 'brief outline' under 'history' about the Reformed Church of America. > > http://www.rca.org/aboutus/index.html > > Diana in AL > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alice Hawrilenko > To: MDWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 6:03 PM > Subject: Reformed Church Records Question > > > I am interested in understanding the "Reformed Church" from 1750 through the 19th century. Can anyone please recommend a reference for me? What are the roots of this denomination? Would there be records located outside MD which may not be at the local libraries or historical societies? That suggestion was made to me in Frederick. I know that George Adam Geeting began as a Reformed Minister but moved on to United Brethren, as I understand it. Other Keedys remained Reformed and still others are found in Episcopal and Lutheran Congregations. The folks I am following seem to have no records in any particular denomination after the Revolution. I'm trying to sort out relationships here and I think some background in German Church History would be very helpful as it relates to Western MD and Southern PA. Were there Fraternal groups that in some cases may have replaced a Church? WRT the Palatine immigration, what were the Religious roots? Please forgive my ignorance on this! s! > ubject! > . > Alice > > ______________________________ > > > ==== MDWASHIN Mailing List ==== > Are your ancestors Pennsylvania Dutch?? Check out the Pennsylvania Dutch Family History site at: > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/padutch/ > > ============================== > Expand your family tree. 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Why didn't I learn that last year when I had Dr. Black's book of surnames of Scotland - one never learns. I have put the instrs. on each web site, so other than instructing people who can't read to read I am done>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The above is the answer I received when asking the author for a web site for his story about a web site about a church group. Rather a grumpy answer to say the least! Bob

There is also a very old St. Paul's Lutheran Church in Fayetteville, Pa. which has a lot of old stones and burial in its cemetery behind the church. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren Brantner" <lrbrant@concentric.net> To: <MDWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [MDWASHIN] St. Paul's Church and Cemetery > From George Ely Russell's guide to research in Washington County in his > list of available church records are these entries: > St. Paul's Church - (both Evangelical Lutheran and Reformed) 9 miles west > of Hagerstown > St. Paul's Lutheran and Reformed Church near Clear Spring > St. Paul's Lutheran Church Funkstown > St. Paul's Evangelical Lutheran Church, Greensburg > St. Paul's Church, Antietam Parish, Sharpsburg > > There is a St. Pauls M.E. Church Graveyard in Cavetown. There may be more; > St. Paul was popular. You would be more easily helped perhaps if you > asked for a lookup of the people you are researching. The 7 or so volumes > of cemetery records are organized by districts and then by cemeteries but > they all have an alphabetic name index in the back of them. > > Lauren Brantner > > > ==== MDWASHIN Mailing List ==== > The OFFICIAL website for this list is: > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/MD/washington/ > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > >

Lauren, The marriage information is: 25 March 1820 Christian KINGERY Elizabeth HABERMEHL Married by Rev. Keedy Page 88 Thanks for your lookup offer. Jane lrbrant@concentric.net wrote: In the 1820 newspaper extractions is Rev. George Keedy. What is the name of your marriage parties, I'll see if they are in the F. Edward Wrights newspaper extractions? Lauren Brantner jane-kingery@webtv.net wrote: Hello List,       I am looking for the church affiliation and location for a Rev. Keedy in 1820, Washington County, MD. [Given name of Rev. Keedy is not known at this time]       The information I was given states that my ancestors were married by him, with a reference to page 88. Unfortunately, I do not know the name of the book/publication either. Jane

From George Ely Russell's guide to research in Washington County in his list of available church records are these entries: St. Paul's Church - (both Evangelical Lutheran and Reformed) 9 miles west of Hagerstown St. Paul's Lutheran and Reformed Church near Clear Spring St. Paul's Lutheran Church Funkstown St. Paul's Evangelical Lutheran Church, Greensburg St. Paul's Church, Antietam Parish, Sharpsburg There is a St. Pauls M.E. Church Graveyard in Cavetown. There may be more; St. Paul was popular. You would be more easily helped perhaps if you asked for a lookup of the people you are researching. The 7 or so volumes of cemetery records are organized by districts and then by cemeteries but they all have an alphabetic name index in the back of them. Lauren Brantner

Hey people since I have supplied you with a URL to help your search, how about helping me. At this point I have gone thru just about every area of France and haven't found my ancestors SO please be on the lookout for the following name and irs variations for me: CHARSHEE, CHARSHE, CHARSHA Gordon glcrooks@bcpl.net

In Washington County Marriages An Index: 1779-1860, compiled by Morrow and Morrow KINGERY (KINGARY, KINGRY) Chn./Elizabeth Hovermaile 3/25/1820 It doesn't appear in F. Edward Wright's Marriages and Deaths from the Newspapers of Allegany and Washington Counties, Maryland. Perhaps they didn't put it in the newspaper. There is one estate distribution for the surname: MYERS, Sarah. Adm. Jacob Miller. 6/4/1832. Henry, Peter, Elizabeth, Daniel Clayton, Polly Kingerey's heirs (Samuel, Rosanna, Jacob and Thomas), John's heirs (John, Polly, Jacob Grier, Rosanna.) T. $2664.42. KINKERLY A Joseph Kinkerly had a letter at the post office in Frederick mentioned in the July 12, 1805 edition of Bartgis's Republican Gazette in Frederick. I don't know if he fits or not. Lauren Brantner Diane-kingery@webtv.net wrote: >Lauren, > The marriage information is: >25 March 1820 >Christian KINGERY >Elizabeth HABERMEHL >Married by Rev. Keedy >Page 88 > Thanks for your lookup offer. >Jane > >lrbrant@concentric.net wrote: >In the 1820 newspaper extractions is Rev. George Keedy. What is the name >of your marriage parties, I'll see if they are in the F. Edward Wrights >newspaper extractions? >Lauren Brantner >jane-kingery@webtv.net wrote: >Hello List, > I am looking for the church affiliation and location >for a Rev. Keedy in 1820, Washington County, MD. [Given name of Rev. >Keedy is not known at this time] > The information I was given states that my ancestors >were married by him, with a reference to page 88. Unfortunately, I do >not know the name of the book/publication either. >Jane > > > >==== MDWASHIN Mailing List ==== >Keep informed of the latest news and new databases, webpages and mailing lists at RootsWeb. Subscribe to the weekly RootsWeb Review. To subscribe, start here: http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > >============================== >OneWorldTree - The World's largest family tree. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13971/rd.ashx > > > > >

Diana, Have you tried the Palatines to America web site(http://palam.org)? They have chapters in Penna. as well as Virginia and W.VA. but none in Maryland. The national Pal-Am library in Columbus, Ohio, has many books and other references for researching ancestors from the Palatine area to America. There is also another organization, Mid-Atlantic Germanic Society, (http://rootsweb.com/~usmags/) that has a library of reference materials in the Shenandoah County Library at Edinburg, VA. Both organizations have publications where you can place a query about an ancestor or other person. Both also have meetings twice a year dealing with various aspects of researching German, especially, Palatine ancestors. The Genealogy Nut ----- Original Message ----- From: "DIANA QUINONES" <audiana@msn.com> To: <MDWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 2:34 AM Subject: [MDWASHIN] Re: Reformed Church Records Question > Alice, > You mention the folks you are following have no particular denomination, but you should list their names on the MDWASH list and maybe someone will find something. > There are a lot of great folks on this list! > > The Rev. GEETING that you mention was also spelled GUETING, George Adam! He was a Reformed pastor, b 1741 in Europe at Niederschelden, Nassau-Siegen, came to America in 1759, settled near Keedysville, was one of two class men designated a class leader from Antietam. He went to the 1788 coetus and asked to be formally and regularly received into the ministry. Was examined and ordained but, so the minutes say, only after a long discussion, pro and con. Reasons given for ordination were 'the Maryland congregations which he was serving were very poor and thus unattractive to ministers who come from Europe; he had served these congregations for several years under Ottenbein's supervision, and ordination would relieve Ottenbein of the burden and give the congregations services of a regular minister. > > (Ottenbein was Philip William Ottenbein, arrived 1752 served in PA and then MD beg 1760 - Antietam, described as 'quiet and pious'.) > > But.... GUETING began taking minutes for the Brethren church, and was scolded by the Reformed pastors for his ways! However, he never joined the Brethren, and was referred to by several other pastors as a Reformed pastor in their biographies! > > Gueting served Antietam abt 1788 until he died. He rarely attended the Reformed coetus meetings and was finally expelled in 1804 for 'his disorderly ways'. These ways were participating in developing the United Brethren church, yet he continued to preach often in Reformed churches. He died in 1812 returning from a visit to a Reformed mentor, Otterbein in Baltimore. Buried in Mt Hebron, near Keedysville. Widow Elizabeth, 5 sons, 4 daus. > Rev. Otterbein died 1813 in Baltimore, and he too had flirted with the Brethren Church as, at his funeral there was no representative of the Reformed church officiating, but were Lutheran, Methodist and Episcopal pastors! In his will, he called himself a pastor of the 'Evangelical Reformed church'. > Apparently there was religious turmoil in those years within the different churches! > > Interesting history! > > Source: 'Pastors and Peoples', Vol 1, Pastors and Congregations, by Chas. H Glatfelter, pub 1980 by Kutztown Pub Co, pages 49 and 101-102. > > Send your names to the MDWASHIN list and I am sure someone will have something for you! > > Diana in AL > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alice Hawrilenko > To: DIANA QUINONES > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 9:22 PM > Subject: Re: Reformed Church Records Question > > > Thank you Donna. > What intrigues me is that my maternal-paternal ancestors were members of the Reformed Church. I see no MD history in the link you sent me. But...they came here from the Palatine via Rotterdam. Are you aware of any MD links? I will write to the NJ address and see if they ghave any information I can use. Thank you again. > Alice > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DIANA QUINONES > To: MDWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com ; Alice Hawrilenko > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 9:32 PM > Subject: Re: Reformed Church Records Question > > > Alice, > this link has a 'brief outline' under 'history' about the Reformed Church of America. > > http://www.rca.org/aboutus/index.html > > Diana in AL > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alice Hawrilenko > To: MDWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 6:03 PM > Subject: Reformed Church Records Question > > > I am interested in understanding the "Reformed Church" from 1750 through the 19th century. Can anyone please recommend a reference for me? What are the roots of this denomination? Would there be records located outside MD which may not be at the local libraries or historical societies? That suggestion was made to me in Frederick. I know that George Adam Geeting began as a Reformed Minister but moved on to United Brethren, as I understand it. Other Keedys remained Reformed and still others are found in Episcopal and Lutheran Congregations. The folks I am following seem to have no records in any particular denomination after the Revolution. I'm trying to sort out relationships here and I think some background in German Church History would be very helpful as it relates to Western MD and Southern PA. Were there Fraternal groups that in some cases may have replaced a Church? WRT the Palatine immigration, what were the Religious roots? Please forgive my ignorance on this s! > ubject! > . > Alice > > ______________________________ > > > ==== MDWASHIN Mailing List ==== > Are your ancestors Pennsylvania Dutch?? Check out the Pennsylvania Dutch Family History site at: > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/padutch/ > > ============================== > Expand your family tree. 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AliI can't answer all of your questions, but this might help. First of all there was a great deal of intermingling among the Scots. and the Palatine Germans for several reasons during the 1700's !. They were altogether in what was the wilderness asneighbors etc. 2. There was the indian problem and the French and Indian wars and then the English getting the indians on their side during the Amer. Revolution:, so they got together for mutual protection. 3. Something we still do today and that is get married in the brides church, so if she was a Lutheran and he was a Presbyterian where do you think they got married!!! I have noted this in my family bible covering over 260 years a great deal of inter-marrying. Strong Scots men were attrached to pretty blond women and still are!!!!! Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice Hawrilenko" <alicepat47@comcast.net> To: <MDWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 8:03 PM Subject: [MDWASHIN] Reformed Church Records Question >I am interested in understanding the "Reformed Church" from 1750 through >the 19th century. Can anyone please recommend a reference for me? What are >the roots of this denomination? Would there be records located outside MD >which may not be at the local libraries or historical societies? That >suggestion was made to me in Frederick. I know that George Adam Geeting >began as a Reformed Minister but moved on to United Brethren, as I >understand it. Other Keedys remained Reformed and still others are found in >Episcopal and Lutheran Congregations. The folks I am following seem to have >no records in any particular denomination after the Revolution. I'm trying >to sort out relationships here and I think some background in German Church >History would be very helpful as it relates to Western MD and Southern PA. >Were there Fraternal groups that in some cases may have replaced a Church? >WRT the Palatine immigration, what were the Religious roots? Please forgive >my ignorance on this subject! > . > Alice > > > ==== MDWASHIN Mailing List ==== > Don't be afraid to speak up and ask questions! > There are no stupid questions here. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > >

What type of Church is St. Paul's and where is it located- Does anyone have a tombstone inscription readind of this cemetery??? Thanks Paul