Patty, Rattlesnake Spring and Stove Pipe are more locations of property than they are actual places. The Rattlesnake Spring is in fact the present day East Branch of the Little Antietam Creek, which flows from the mountain at Edgemont in Washington County, MD. just along side the Mason-Dixon Line into Franklin County, PA. Trying to locate a map for you. I take it you are trying to locate the "Nichol's Contrivance" Large tract of property that is located in both MD and PA. The area of Ringgold, Washington County MD and Rouzerville, Franklin County, PA. Sending the will of Jacob Shockey, who married Anna Freed. Jacob Shockey will (1803),, Chambersburg Court House, Chambersburg, Washington Twp. Franklin county, PA. Washington Twp. Wife Anna to be maintained by sons Isaac and Christian; sons Isaac & Christian the plantation on which I now live and all my land I own in the Co. of Washington MD excepting 50 acres joining Balls Hill, Tise Hill and John Funk's lines, also 20 acres called in Patent the Land of Nob, land in PA where Samuel Bigler now lives to be sold, dau Susanna Bigler w/o Samuel 100#, son Jacob 47#, dau magdalena w/o Balser Mowan 196#, dau Barbara w/o Peter Heck 174#, dau Anna w/o George Heck 100#, dau Eve w/o John nicholas 184# Caveat entered by Samuel Bagle and peter Heck against the probate of will, James Brotherton, Esq atty for the executors and James Orbison Esq att for the cavetors. Wm Minor sworn and said he was present when testator made his mark and that he was of sound mind. Deceased said his family had always been disputing and he was afraid it would be so after his death. jacob Weldy, Wm Nichols, Philip Reed, Samuel Royer and Robert Crooks testified as to the sanity of the deceased. Mike On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 12:54:46 -0400 (EDT) "MOREAU, PETER" <[email protected]> writes: > > > ---- Original message ---- > >Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 11:13:32 -0400 > >From: Pat Thompson <[email protected]> > >Subject: [MDWashin] Rattlesnake Springs - Stove Pipe > >To: [email protected] > > > >Excerpt from obituary for George Washington Hahn, noted on > Find-A-Grave, mentions land belonging to George's grandfather > William Nichols, called "Nicholas Contrivance, resurveyed in > 1964. > > > >This place called Rattlesnake Springs is described in > "Colonial Records of the Upper Potomac Vol. 2 by William H. > Rice, 2012" > > > >In this book it says: "Also on that day (23 Oct 1739) Dent > survey 75 acres called "Nicholls Contrivance" for Edward > Nicholls near Rattlesnake Spring about two miles from where > NEALS FRIEND lived between Antietam Creek and the > Conococheague (Ibid., Patented Certificate #1563) > > > >Since Neals (Nicholas) Friend was my 6th great grandfather I > am interested in pinpointing this location. > > > >Does Rattlesnake Spring appear on any modern maps? > > > > Patty Friend Thompson > > > > > > > >********* > >Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN > >********* > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5043d40cb3464540c710dst04duc

Peter: To make matter worse all three of the colonial colonies claimed land in this area and it wasn't until the Mason & Dixon survey was made that this land was declared in Maryland. You need to check land warrants for Washington County and try and pinpoint it that way. Gordon Crooks ----- Original Message ----- From: "MOREAU, PETER" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [MDWashin] Rattlesnake Springs - Stove Pipe > > > ---- Original message ---- >>Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 11:13:32 -0400 >>From: Pat Thompson <[email protected]> >>Subject: [MDWashin] Rattlesnake Springs - Stove Pipe >>To: [email protected]com >> >>Excerpt from obituary for George Washington Hahn, noted on > Find-A-Grave, mentions land belonging to George's grandfather > William Nichols, called "Nicholas Contrivance, resurveyed in > 1964. >> >>This place called Rattlesnake Springs is described in > "Colonial Records of the Upper Potomac Vol. 2 by William H. > Rice, 2012" >> >>In this book it says: "Also on that day (23 Oct 1739) Dent > survey 75 acres called "Nicholls Contrivance" for Edward > Nicholls near Rattlesnake Spring about two miles from where > NEALS FRIEND lived between Antietam Creek and the > Conococheague (Ibid., Patented Certificate #1563) >> >>Since Neals (Nicholas) Friend was my 6th great grandfather I > am interested in pinpointing this location. >> >>Does Rattlesnake Spring appear on any modern maps? >> >> Patty Friend Thompson >> >> >> >>********* >>Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN >>********* >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat: I am familar with this area to some extent, my ancestral farm is on the West branch of Antietam Creek, just outside of Waynesboro, Pa. and the West branch of the Conocoheague is near Upton, Pa. Both of these cross the border into Washington Co., Md. Antietam Creek would be to the east of Hagerstown and Conocoheague Creek would be to the West of Hagerstown, so the area you are talking about is about 15 miles wide in Maryland. I do know for a fact that the Conocoheague does enter into the Potatomic River and that would be near Williamsport, Md. In the area near and around Williamsport are three known Springs, Clear Spring, Indian Spring , Big Spring and the general area is known as Indian Springs Management Area (State forest and mountain land). It would seem to me this is the area you are looking for. Both in Maryland and Pennsylvania these areas are well watered with numberous springs in both states. you might want to check Maryland Hall of Records and see what they have on the subject. Gordon Crooks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Thompson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 11:13 AM Subject: [MDWashin] Rattlesnake Springs - Stove Pipe > Excerpt from obituary for George Washington Hahn, noted on Find-A-Grave, > mentions land belonging to George's grandfather William Nichols, called > "Nicholas Contrivance, resurveyed in 1964. > > This place called Rattlesnake Springs is described in "Colonial Records of > the Upper Potomac Vol. 2 by William H. Rice, 2012" > > In this book it says: "Also on that day (23 Oct 1739) Dent survey 75 acres > called "Nicholls Contrivance" for Edward Nicholls near Rattlesnake Spring > about two miles from where NEALS FRIEND lived between Antietam Creek and > the Conococheague (Ibid., Patented Certificate #1563) > > Since Neals (Nicholas) Friend was my 6th great grandfather I am interested > in pinpointing this location. > > Does Rattlesnake Spring appear on any modern maps? > > Patty Friend Thompson > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

---- Original message ---- >Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 11:13:32 -0400 >From: Pat Thompson <[email protected]> >Subject: [MDWashin] Rattlesnake Springs - Stove Pipe >To: [email protected] > >Excerpt from obituary for George Washington Hahn, noted on Find-A-Grave, mentions land belonging to George's grandfather William Nichols, called "Nicholas Contrivance, resurveyed in 1964. > >This place called Rattlesnake Springs is described in "Colonial Records of the Upper Potomac Vol. 2 by William H. Rice, 2012" > >In this book it says: "Also on that day (23 Oct 1739) Dent survey 75 acres called "Nicholls Contrivance" for Edward Nicholls near Rattlesnake Spring about two miles from where NEALS FRIEND lived between Antietam Creek and the Conococheague (Ibid., Patented Certificate #1563) > >Since Neals (Nicholas) Friend was my 6th great grandfather I am interested in pinpointing this location. > >Does Rattlesnake Spring appear on any modern maps? > > Patty Friend Thompson > > > >********* >Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN >********* > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Excerpt from obituary for George Washington Hahn, noted on Find-A-Grave, mentions land belonging to George's grandfather William Nichols, called "Nicholas Contrivance, resurveyed in 1964. This place called Rattlesnake Springs is described in "Colonial Records of the Upper Potomac Vol. 2 by William H. Rice, 2012" In this book it says: "Also on that day (23 Oct 1739) Dent survey 75 acres called "Nicholls Contrivance" for Edward Nicholls near Rattlesnake Spring about two miles from where NEALS FRIEND lived between Antietam Creek and the Conococheague (Ibid., Patented Certificate #1563) Since Neals (Nicholas) Friend was my 6th great grandfather I am interested in pinpointing this location. Does Rattlesnake Spring appear on any modern maps? Patty Friend Thompson

Bobbie: That uis here, but I wasn't able to contact her without going thru facebook and I have no intention of joining them. I see you mention Meyers which ones I have them in my line too. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobbie Brady" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [MDWashin] Nola > Gordon, Did you "Google" her?? There is a Nola M Karr listed on Facebook. > Don't know if its the same one. Good luck. > > Bobbie Hunt Brady > researching Washington County, MD: Hunt, Lutz, Myers, Howard > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gordon Crooks" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Cc: "Md Fred" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:06 AM > Subject: [MDWashin] Nola > > >> Does anyone know if Nola M. Karr is still alive and what her e mail >> address is ? She was the author of the Muirheid/Moorehead book about the >> families living in Maryland and Pennsylvania in the above mentioned >> border >> counties ? I have an inquiry from Northern Ireland regarding the >> families. >> >> Gordon Crooks >> >> >> ********* >> Visit the threaded archives of this list: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN >> ********* >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gordon, Did you "Google" her?? There is a Nola M Karr listed on Facebook. Don't know if its the same one. Good luck. Bobbie Hunt Brady researching Washington County, MD: Hunt, Lutz, Myers, Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Crooks" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "Md Fred" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:06 AM Subject: [MDWashin] Nola > Does anyone know if Nola M. Karr is still alive and what her e mail > address is ? She was the author of the Muirheid/Moorehead book about the > families living in Maryland and Pennsylvania in the above mentioned border > counties ? I have an inquiry from Northern Ireland regarding the families. > > Gordon Crooks > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know if Nola M. Karr is still alive and what her e mail address is ? She was the author of the Muirheid/Moorehead book about the families living in Maryland and Pennsylvania in the above mentioned border counties ? I have an inquiry from Northern Ireland regarding the families. Gordon Crooks

Tim: For some unknown reason [email protected] yahoo.com will NOT deliver mes. to your e mail address below. I am trying to send you the Prather info, do you have another e mail address ? Gordon Crooks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Snyder" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [MDWashin] Prather > > Gordon > I'm interested in the Prathers from a historical perspective: How > Prather's Neck ( a loop of the Potomac River near Clear Spring) got its > name. If you have any info on the earliest Prathers in that area, I'd > appreciate it. Thanks > > Tim Snyder > > >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:03:24 -0400 >> Subject: [MDWashin] Prather >> >> Quite sometime ago some one was looking for the Prather family in >> Maryland and I responded with info on the Pennsylvania Prather's to which >> I am distantly related to. I have recently obtained info on the Prathers >> in Washington Co., Md. around Clear Springs. If the person who was >> looking for the Prather's contacts me I will give them the info obtained. >> >> Gordon crooks >> >> >> ********* >> Visit the threaded archives of this list: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN >> ********* >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tim, Passano's Source Records of Maryland has about a 4 inch block of Prather listings - they include the DAR lineage book V. 5, p. 429,the Abrev. Compendium of Amer. Geneal. Virkus, V. 4 P. 457, Records in Frederick Co, Records in Beltsville of a private burying ground. Nat. Genal Soc. Quarterly V. 9 No. 3. p 39, Prather Family DAR Mag. March 1939, v. 73 no. 3, p. 87; an article about Thomas Prather's Rev. War Pension, Nat. Genal. Soc Quart. September 1938, v. 225, no.3, p. 45. Other family names with Prather intries include Summerfield Baldwin, Monnet family, and Mullikins. Rice's This Was the Life, Excerpts from the Judgement Records of Frederick Co. Md. 1748 - 1765 has many Prather entries - most for Thomas. He was one of the "gentlemen" who served as a Justice of the Court in 1848. Aaron Prather served on the Grand Jury for this first court. Neither of the Prathers qualified themselves as attorneys Before the Court. Thomas served the court until 1775. A John Smith Prather also served the court. Brumbaugh's Colonial Records also has entries including All Saints Parish in Frederick Co. - Prather Thomas and Elizabeth - daughter Elizabeth B. January 10,, 1742/3. Both of these volumes reference other locations in Maryland and quite a few entries to look at. Morrow and Morrow has a Wash. Co. Estate Account for a Thomas Prather, 1787 and Richard Prather 1794. There are 17 Prather entries in the Will index. The Thomas in 1785, Louis in 1833, Jon. D. in 1879, Elizabeth in 1848, Richard in 1789 and Basil in 1808 have wills - the other entries are for other estate documents. Looks like you have many places to look if you haven't already! I'm sure there is more in Fred Co. but I don't have recources there for a lookup. Check the county evolution dates and you probably will go back to earlier counties. Frederick was formed from Prince George's in 1748 - when the records for the Rice Volume began. Prince Georges was formed from Calvert and Charles in 1695. Washington County formed from Frederick in 1776. Lauren Brantner --- On Fri, 8/24/12, Tim Snyder <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Tim Snyder <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MDWashin] Prather > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, August 24, 2012, 2:33 PM > > Gordon > I'm interested in the Prathers from a historical > perspective: How Prather's Neck ( a loop of the Potomac > River near Clear Spring) got its name. If you have any info > on the earliest Prathers in that area, I'd appreciate it. > Thanks > > Tim Snyder > > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:03:24 -0400 > > Subject: [MDWashin] Prather > > > > Quite sometime ago some one was looking for the Prather > family in Maryland and I responded with info on the > Pennsylvania Prather's to which I am distantly related to. I > have recently obtained info on the Prathers in Washington > Co., Md. around Clear Springs. If the person who was looking > for the Prather's contacts me I will give them the info > obtained. > > > > Gordon crooks > > > > > > ********* > > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN > > ********* > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >     >          >            >   > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Tim: For some reason I can't send you ditectly all the pages of info that i have, the msgs. bounces back, Since I can't send you attachments via MDWASH I need you to send directly to me 3 simple msgs. which will then lock into my address files and avoud mail dem. Send them to: [email protected] Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Snyder" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [MDWashin] Prather > > Gordon > I'm interested in the Prathers from a historical perspective: How > Prather's Neck ( a loop of the Potomac River near Clear Spring) got its > name. If you have any info on the earliest Prathers in that area, I'd > appreciate it. Thanks > > Tim Snyder > > >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:03:24 -0400 >> Subject: [MDWashin] Prather >> >> Quite sometime ago some one was looking for the Prather family in >> Maryland and I responded with info on the Pennsylvania Prather's to which >> I am distantly related to. I have recently obtained info on the Prathers >> in Washington Co., Md. around Clear Springs. If the person who was >> looking for the Prather's contacts me I will give them the info obtained. >> >> Gordon crooks >> >> >> ********* >> Visit the threaded archives of this list: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN >> ********* >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Descendants of William Prather 1 William PRATHER b: September 15, 1830 in Washington Co., MD (appears in 1870 and 1880 Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL census) d: 1893 Burial: Fairmount Cemetery, Polo, Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL . +Lydia SMITH b: 1844 in Washington Co., MD m: Abt. 1865 d: March 03, 1869 in Washington Co., MD Burial: Mennonite Cemetery, Clear Spring, Washington Co., MD Father: Joseph Smith Mother: Elizabeth Rowland . 2 Lemuel E. PRATHER b: January 1865 in MD (appears in 1900 Buffalo Twp. and 1910 Polo, Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL census) d: January 11, 1940 in Sterling, Whiteside Co., IL Burial: Fairmount Cemetery, Polo, Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL ..... +Elizabeth "Lizzie" M. OSTERHOUDT b: September 06, 1870 in IL m: March 14, 1889 in Ogle Co., IL d: June 11, 1940 in Sterling, Whiteside Co., IL Burial: Fairmount Cemetery, Polo, Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL Father: Elias Osterhoudt Mother: Susannah Sweet ..... 3 Mabel PRATHER b: Abt. 1896 in IL (adopted) . 2 Elizabeth J. PRATHER b: April 25, 1867 in MD d: September 19, 1892 Burial: Fairmount Cemetery, Polo, Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL ..... +Henry W. MILLER b: 1859 m: December 09, 1886 in Ogle Co., IL d: October 09, 1890 Burial: Fairmount Cemetery, Polo, Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL ..... 3 Walter MILLER b: December 1888 in IL *2nd Wife of William PRATHER: . +Barbara A. RHODES b: January 02, 1837 in Washington Co., MD (appears in 1900, 1910 and 1920 Polo, Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL census) m: March 17, 1876 d: December 09, 1922 in Sterling, Whiteside Co., IL Roger Cramer Peoria, Arizona Roger and Sue Cramer's Genealogy Site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cramer/ Ogle Co., IL Genealogy Site http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ilogle/

Gordon I'm interested in the Prathers from a historical perspective: How Prather's Neck ( a loop of the Potomac River near Clear Spring) got its name. If you have any info on the earliest Prathers in that area, I'd appreciate it. Thanks Tim Snyder > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:03:24 -0400 > Subject: [MDWashin] Prather > > Quite sometime ago some one was looking for the Prather family in Maryland and I responded with info on the Pennsylvania Prather's to which I am distantly related to. I have recently obtained info on the Prathers in Washington Co., Md. around Clear Springs. If the person who was looking for the Prather's contacts me I will give them the info obtained. > > Gordon crooks > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Quite sometime ago some one was looking for the Prather family in Maryland and I responded with info on the Pennsylvania Prather's to which I am distantly related to. I have recently obtained info on the Prathers in Washington Co., Md. around Clear Springs. If the person who was looking for the Prather's contacts me I will give them the info obtained. Gordon crooks

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Marilee, My husband has an early line from his mother's side in Maryland - Mobberly that became Mobley over time. You might see what you can find about them - it has been so long since I worked on them I can't recall offhand which county - I'm sure a very early one. Passano's Source Records of Maryland has these entries: Mobberly - Frederick County Families, Markell Ms. Personal list. Moberley Medical Annals of MD, Cordell. 1903 p. 508 MD Hist. Soc. Mobley M.E. Church Burial ground, Laytonsville, Montgomery Co. MD. Md. Geneal. Rec. Com. 1934-35, pp 69-92. Mss. DAR. For Dyer there is Bible Rec. Ms. DAR. Patriotic Md., Md. Soc. of S.A.R. 1930; St. Paul's Parish, Balto. Vol. 3. Mss. MHS. There is also a manuscript of Dyer Family History - in the MHS. They also suggest seeing the spelling Dyre. - There is a DYRE family chart in the MHS. They list both spellings for a couple entries Dyre, Dyer family in genealogy collections. There is a Blue Print of a chart in both DAR and MHS listed separately from the first entry. There are no Dewar entries. Brumbaugh's Maryland Records lists a Rachel Mobberly who married William Burdit in Anne Arundel County May 6, 1777. Rice's This was the Life - Excerpts from the Judgment Records of Fred. Co. Md, 1748 - 1765 lists a John Mobley who lived in Linganore Hundred in 1751. In 1798 a Lewis Mobley had a letter at the Frederick Post Office (from Wright's newspaper extracts.) Have you tried the Frederick Co. Listserve? Lauren Brantner --- On Wed, 8/22/12, Marilee Cunningham <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Marilee Cunningham <[email protected]> > Subject: [MDWashin] Alexander Dyer and Rachel Mobley > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, August 22, 2012, 7:48 PM > Thanks all for your comments. I will > follow up on your suggestions.  Marilee > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:58:42 -0700 > > From: susi c pentico <[email protected]> > > Subject: [MDWashin] Dyer Dewar situation > > To: [email protected] > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > Many years ago I was told that marriages did not always > happen legally until > > the minister road in and performed the service.  > If the  lay of the land and > > area was remote, they may  have had the blessing > of the local people and were > > declared married, then when a chance arose they would > be formally married. > > Your time frame is prone for that type of thing to > happen. > > > > I am sure others will tell you the same. > > > > Susi > > > > > > > >> > >>   1. Alexander Dyer and > Rachel/Rachael Mobley (Marilee Cunningham) > >> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:29:17 -0400 > >> From: Marilee Cunningham <[email protected]> > >> Subject: [MDWashin] Alexander Dyer and > Rachel/Rachael Mobley > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Message-ID: <CC5878CD.1B8DC%[email protected]> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >> > >> Does anyone know about a Rachael (Rachel) Mobley > who married Alexander Dyer > >> in Frederick, MD in Jan, 1821?  I am trying to > determine if Alexander was > >> actually Alexander Dewar (the name was often > misspelled).  Alexander and > >> Rachael lived in Loudon County, VA, and also had > two children before 1821 so > >> it's a mystery.  I have looked everywhere for > their marriage with no results > >> in VA.  I also looked for any Alexander Dyer > in Frederick after 1821 to no > >> avail, which makes me think it's possible they > crossed over to MD to get > >> married, for some reason two years after they had > children -don't know how > >> likely that would be.  Thanks! > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:18:48 -0500 > > From: "Donna Heller Zinn" <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [MDWashin] Dyer Dewar situation > > To: <[email protected]> > > Cc: susi c pentico <[email protected]>, > [email protected] > > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > I'm suggesting that you also need to find out the > religious denomination of > > the people who were getting "hitched" and see what > churches were on the > > "circuit" in that area during that timeperiod and then > turn to trying to > > track down the records for the pastors who were on > those "circuits".  At > > that time the "records" were usually "owned" by the > pastor and he carried > > them from one church to another.  Another source > could be the religious > > denomination archives or holding facilities. > > > > Happy Hunting! > > Donna Heller Zinn of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA. > > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Thanks all for your comments. I will follow up on your suggestions. Marilee > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:58:42 -0700 > From: susi c pentico <[email protected]> > Subject: [MDWashin] Dyer Dewar situation > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Many years ago I was told that marriages did not always happen legally until > the minister road in and performed the service. If the lay of the land and > area was remote, they may have had the blessing of the local people and were > declared married, then when a chance arose they would be formally married. > Your time frame is prone for that type of thing to happen. > > I am sure others will tell you the same. > > Susi > > > >> >> 1. Alexander Dyer and Rachel/Rachael Mobley (Marilee Cunningham) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:29:17 -0400 >> From: Marilee Cunningham <[email protected]> >> Subject: [MDWashin] Alexander Dyer and Rachel/Rachael Mobley >> To: <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: <CC5878CD.1B8DC%[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >> Does anyone know about a Rachael (Rachel) Mobley who married Alexander Dyer >> in Frederick, MD in Jan, 1821? I am trying to determine if Alexander was >> actually Alexander Dewar (the name was often misspelled). Alexander and >> Rachael lived in Loudon County, VA, and also had two children before 1821 so >> it's a mystery. I have looked everywhere for their marriage with no results >> in VA. I also looked for any Alexander Dyer in Frederick after 1821 to no >> avail, which makes me think it's possible they crossed over to MD to get >> married, for some reason two years after they had children -don't know how >> likely that would be. Thanks! > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:18:48 -0500 > From: "Donna Heller Zinn" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MDWashin] Dyer Dewar situation > To: <[email protected]> > Cc: susi c pentico <[email protected]>, [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I'm suggesting that you also need to find out the religious denomination of > the people who were getting "hitched" and see what churches were on the > "circuit" in that area during that timeperiod and then turn to trying to > track down the records for the pastors who were on those "circuits". At > that time the "records" were usually "owned" by the pastor and he carried > them from one church to another. Another source could be the religious > denomination archives or holding facilities. > > Happy Hunting! > Donna Heller Zinn of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA.

Hello Marilee, According to Ancestry.com they were married in Frederick County, MD on Jan 2, 1821. Last name is spelled Dyer. Bobbie H Brady ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilee Cunningham" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 9:29 PM Subject: [MDWashin] Alexander Dyer and Rachel/Rachael Mobley > Does anyone know about a Rachael (Rachel) Mobley who married Alexander > Dyer > in Frederick, MD in Jan, 1821? I am trying to determine if Alexander was > actually Alexander Dewar (the name was often misspelled). Alexander and > Rachael lived in Loudon County, VA, and also had two children before 1821 > so > it's a mystery. I have looked everywhere for their marriage with no > results > in VA. I also looked for any Alexander Dyer in Frederick after 1821 to no > avail, which makes me think it's possible they crossed over to MD to get > married, for some reason two years after they had children -don't know how > likely that would be. Thanks! > > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm suggesting that you also need to find out the religious denomination of the people who were getting "hitched" and see what churches were on the "circuit" in that area during that timeperiod and then turn to trying to track down the records for the pastors who were on those "circuits". At that time the "records" were usually "owned" by the pastor and he carried them from one church to another. Another source could be the religious denomination archives or holding facilities. Happy Hunting! Donna Heller Zinn of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "susi c pentico" <[email protected]> Subject: [MDWashin] Dyer Dewar situation > Many years ago I was told that marriages did not always happen legally until the minister road in and performed the service. If the lay of the land and area was remote, they may have had the blessing of the local people and were declared married, then when a chance arose they would be formally married. Your time frame is prone for that type of thing to happen. > > I am sure others will tell you the same. > > Susi > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:29:17 -0400 > > From: Marilee Cunningham <[email protected]> > > Subject: [MDWashin] Alexander Dyer and Rachel/Rachael Mobley > > > > Does anyone know about a Rachael (Rachel) Mobley who married Alexander Dyer > > in Frederick, MD in Jan, 1821? I am trying to determine if Alexander was > > actually Alexander Dewar (the name was often misspelled). Alexander and > > Rachael lived in Loudon County, VA, and also had two children before 1821 so > > it's a mystery. I have looked everywhere for their marriage with no results > > in VA. I also looked for any Alexander Dyer in Frederick after 1821 to no > > avail, which makes me think it's possible they crossed over to MD to get > > married, for some reason two years after they had children -don't know how > > likely that would be. Thanks!

Many years ago I was told that marriages did not always happen legally until the minister road in and performed the service. If the lay of the land and area was remote, they may have had the blessing of the local people and were declared married, then when a chance arose they would be formally married. Your time frame is prone for that type of thing to happen. I am sure others will tell you the same. Susi > > 1. Alexander Dyer and Rachel/Rachael Mobley (Marilee Cunningham) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:29:17 -0400 > From: Marilee Cunningham <[email protected]> > Subject: [MDWashin] Alexander Dyer and Rachel/Rachael Mobley > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <CC5878CD.1B8DC%[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Does anyone know about a Rachael (Rachel) Mobley who married Alexander Dyer > in Frederick, MD in Jan, 1821? I am trying to determine if Alexander was > actually Alexander Dewar (the name was often misspelled). Alexander and > Rachael lived in Loudon County, VA, and also had two children before 1821 so > it's a mystery. I have looked everywhere for their marriage with no results > in VA. I also looked for any Alexander Dyer in Frederick after 1821 to no > avail, which makes me think it's possible they crossed over to MD to get > married, for some reason two years after they had children -don't know how > likely that would be. Thanks! > > > >