OK.....I'm sure you all have already investigated this but......... 1) Could there have been two contemporaneous men named "John Abell" living in Maryland with a wife named "Mary"? This happens all the time. We have no proof that the John and Mary (Usher?) Abell were the same people as the John and Mary (Fisher?) Abell. Kent County, MD, and SMC are a long way apart. 2) To the best of my knowledge, there are no "Thomas Abell"s in the next couple of generations of descendants of the "John Abell" who was married to Mary (Fisher?Usher?) and who lived in SMC. This would have been unusual. The John Abell in SMC did have a son named "Edward," however--probably named for Edward Fisher. 3) Of course, there is also the intriguing similarity between the surnames "Fisher" and "Usher"--they would be easy to confuse when reading records written in early 18th century handwriting. Just a few thoughts. Feedback welcome. John Dobricky On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Thomas Jennings <consettct@gmail.com> wrote: > Linda > > I think he may have wed both. > > Tom > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Back to this argument. Tom Jennings believes she was Mary Usher. I say >> she >> was Mary Fisher. >> >> My note to the list, 1/2004: >> >> There are those who claim that Mary Usher, daughter of Thomas Usher, was >> the >> wife of John Abell based on a land record which named Mary, wife of John >> Abell, in 1715. This won't work as Mary was named as a minor in her >> father's will in 1714. She was not old enough to have married John Abell >> and have had 3 children by 1715. The wife of John Abell of SMC was ____ >> FISHER, daughter of Edward Fisher. >> >> PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 1734 Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which Thomas >> Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who sold >> her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll. (Note to me from Tom Jennings, 1/17/2004). >> >> Pete only does St. Mary's County land records. >> >> Linda Reno >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of K Mills >> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 3:11 PM >> To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Fisher or Usher and John Abell >> >> >> >> Okay, I found my former notes, Linda.I hate when I miss a bunch of posts >> for >> work travel, because it take me a while to get my brain in gear.John Abells >> have had me going round and round for years. >> I found this site that gives more info, but I can't verify >> it. >> >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ritchiegenealogy/ritchie/7 >> 869.htm<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ritchiegenealogy/ritchie/7869.htm> >> I suspected that this inventory was filed BY Edward USHER for estate of >> Thomas USHER.Brother or son Edward who was heir at law, or son-in-law?Need >> original to double check.Would Pete be able to find out the land in KENT Co >> or if this deed transcript actually says wife of JOHN ABELL? >> PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which Thomas >> Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who sold >> her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll. >> PATENTS: Kent Co., Md. Thomas Usher 1705: Usher's Lott, The Neglect.1735 >> (George Usher) Usher's >> >> Pt./Killinsworthmore. ****************************************************** >> ***********************John >> Abell d. 1746 m. 1st Mary Usher 2nd Francis_____ >> Abstract of Will of John Abell, dated: 15 Sep 1746 probated: 9 Nov 1746 St. >> Marys Co. >> It named wife, Frances as adm. "my wife's son, John Howell and my "dau-in >> law, Catherine Hutchings" (step-dau. ?) son, Enoch Abell given 33 acres of >> Southern days; son, Cuthbert also named. In a codocil, he named his >> brother, >> Samuel Abell. Witnessed by Nathan Hickman, John Walker, and John >> Swails.codicil: brother Samuel, witnessed by Robert Hutchings >> Skinner, Abst of Inv 1744-1748p74John Abell, Sr. 35.89 SM 68.158 >> Apr 8 1747Appraisers: >> John Read, Nathanial nickamnCreditors: John Abell, Gilbert IrelandNext of >> Kin: John Abell, Samuel AbellAdministratrix, Frances Abell >> So are we now thinking there really was a son in law FISHER and this is not >> Usher family? >> Edward Fisher[Usher] Accts, 368,75 5/13/1714 John Abell for his unnamed >> wife, a child's part Thomas Batson for his unnamed wife, a child's >> part payments to David Watson, John Abell, Henry Lowe, Thomas Price. Admin. >> William Thompson. >> Inv. of Edward Fisher[Usher] 33b.143 1/13/1712 kin: John Abell, Thomas >> Batson Thomas Batson 21.30 7/24/1735 Inv. 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Okay, UGGG. So if the USHER deed actually says Mary wife of John Abell...we may be looking at typos or three marriages. I know everyone discounts this, citing how well versed the clerks were but I have found a number of transcript discrepancies when you compare the Archives wills with same existing ones from St. Mary's of the same period. My assumption is that most of the mistakes were likely NOT the St. Mary's ones because they would have had more intimate knowledge of the families involved? This will be my ultimate goal at Maryland Archives this year- to SEE that USHER deed. Do I have the right John Abell with will 1746 and Frances____ as exec?Any takers for who this Frances was?I think that was still back and forth, right? < , |/ < ' /|   Kat Mills   --- On Wed, 2/13/13, John Dobricky <john.dobricky@gmail.com> wrote: From: John Dobricky <john.dobricky@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Fisher or Usher and John Abell To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 2:42 PM OK.....I'm sure you all have already investigated this but......... 1) Could there have been two contemporaneous men named "John Abell" living in Maryland with a wife named "Mary"?  This happens all the time.  We have no proof that the John and Mary (Usher?) Abell were the same people as the John and Mary (Fisher?) Abell.  Kent County, MD, and SMC are a long way apart. 2) To the best of my knowledge, there are no "Thomas Abell"s in the next couple of generations of descendants of the "John Abell" who was married to Mary (Fisher?Usher?) and who lived in SMC.  This would have been unusual.  The John Abell in SMC did have a son named "Edward," however--probably named for Edward Fisher. 3) Of course, there is also the intriguing similarity between the surnames "Fisher" and "Usher"--they would be easy to confuse when reading records written in early 18th century handwriting. Just a few thoughts.  Feedback welcome.  John Dobricky On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Thomas Jennings <consettct@gmail.com> wrote: > Linda > > I think he may have wed both. > > Tom > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Back to this argument.  Tom Jennings believes she was Mary Usher.  I say >> she >> was Mary Fisher. >> >> My note to the list, 1/2004: >> >> There are those who claim that Mary Usher, daughter of Thomas Usher, was >> the >> wife of John Abell based on a land record which named Mary, wife of John >> Abell, in 1715.  This won't work as Mary was named as a minor in her >> father's will in 1714.  She was not old enough to have married John Abell >> and have had 3 children by 1715.  The wife of John Abell of SMC was ____ >> FISHER, daughter of Edward Fisher. >> >> PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 1734  Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which Thomas >> Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who sold >> her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll.  (Note to me from Tom Jennings, 1/17/2004). >> >> Pete only does St. Mary's County land records. >> >> Linda Reno >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of K Mills >> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 3:11 PM >> To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Fisher or Usher and John Abell >> >> >> >> Okay, I found my former notes, Linda.I hate when I miss a bunch of posts >> for >> work travel, because it take me a while to get my brain in gear.John Abells >> have had me going round and round for years. >> I found this site that gives more info, but I can't verify >>  it. >> >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ritchiegenealogy/ritchie/7 >> 869.htm<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ritchiegenealogy/ritchie/7869.htm> >> I suspected that this inventory was filed BY Edward USHER for estate of >> Thomas USHER.Brother or son Edward who was heir at law, or son-in-law?Need >> original to double check.Would Pete be able to find out the land in KENT Co >> or if this deed transcript actually says wife of JOHN ABELL? >> PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which Thomas >> Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who sold >> her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll. >> PATENTS: Kent Co., Md. Thomas Usher 1705: Usher's Lott, The Neglect.1735 >> (George Usher) Usher's >> >> Pt./Killinsworthmore. ****************************************************** >> ***********************John >>  Abell  d. 1746  m. 1st Mary Usher 2nd Francis_____ >> Abstract of Will of John Abell, dated: 15 Sep 1746 probated: 9 Nov 1746 St. >> Marys Co. >> It named wife, Frances as adm. "my wife's son, John Howell and my "dau-in >> law, Catherine Hutchings" (step-dau. ?) son, Enoch Abell given 33 acres of >> Southern days; son, Cuthbert also named. In a codocil, he named his >> brother, >> Samuel Abell. Witnessed by Nathan Hickman, John Walker, and John >> Swails.codicil:  brother Samuel, witnessed by Robert Hutchings >> Skinner, Abst of Inv 1744-1748p74John Abell, Sr.        35.89  SM   68.158 >> Apr 8 1747Appraisers: >>  John Read, Nathanial nickamnCreditors: John Abell, Gilbert IrelandNext of >> Kin: John Abell, Samuel AbellAdministratrix, Frances Abell >> So are we now thinking there really was a son in law FISHER and this is not >> Usher family? >> Edward Fisher[Usher] Accts, 368,75 5/13/1714 John Abell for his unnamed >> wife, a child's part Thomas Batson for his unnamed wife, a child's >> part payments to David Watson, John Abell, Henry Lowe, Thomas Price. Admin. >> William Thompson. >>  Inv. of Edward Fisher[Usher] 33b.143 1/13/1712 kin: John Abell, Thomas >> Batson Thomas Batson 21.30 7/24/1735 Inv. 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Kat Linda & I actually agree on this (not as rare as it seems) I believe we both have Frances Wilkinson, d/.o William Wilkinson & Catherine Stone. As for that 1710 marriage of Mary to John Abell, I have doubts as I think she would have been referred to as Mary Abell in the will, however many wills just gave first names. Can not find a distribution for Thomas Usher naming children ---- On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:55 PM, K Mills <justwannabe_kat@yahoo.com> wrote: > Okay, UGGG. > So if the USHER deed actually says Mary wife of John Abell...we may be > looking at typos or three marriages. > I know everyone discounts this, citing how well versed the clerks were but > I have found a number of transcript discrepancies when you compare the > Archives wills with same existing ones from St. Mary's of the same period. > My assumption is that most of the mistakes were likely NOT the St. Mary's > ones because they would have had more intimate knowledge of the families > involved? > This will be my ultimate goal at Maryland Archives this year- to SEE that > USHER deed. > Do I have the right John Abell with will 1746 and Frances____ as exec?Any > takers for who this Frances was?I think that was still back and forth, > right? > < , |/ > < ' /| Kat Mills > > --- On Wed, 2/13/13, John Dobricky <john.dobricky@gmail.com> wrote: > > From: John Dobricky <john.dobricky@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Fisher or Usher and John Abell > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 2:42 PM > > OK.....I'm sure you all have already investigated this but......... > > 1) Could there have been two contemporaneous men named "John Abell" > living in Maryland with a wife named "Mary"? This happens all the > time. We have no proof that the John and Mary (Usher?) Abell were the > same people as the John and Mary (Fisher?) Abell. Kent County, MD, > and SMC are a long way apart. > > 2) To the best of my knowledge, there are no "Thomas Abell"s in the > next couple of generations of descendants of the "John Abell" who was > married to Mary (Fisher?Usher?) and who lived in SMC. This would have > been unusual. The John Abell in SMC did have a son named "Edward," > however--probably named for Edward Fisher. > > 3) Of course, there is also the intriguing similarity between the > surnames "Fisher" and "Usher"--they would be easy to confuse when > reading records written in early 18th century handwriting. > > Just a few thoughts. Feedback welcome. John Dobricky > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Thomas Jennings <consettct@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Linda > > > > I think he may have wed both. > > > > Tom > > > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> > wrote: > > > >> Back to this argument. Tom Jennings believes she was Mary Usher. I say > >> she > >> was Mary Fisher. > >> > >> My note to the list, 1/2004: > >> > >> There are those who claim that Mary Usher, daughter of Thomas Usher, was > >> the > >> wife of John Abell based on a land record which named Mary, wife of John > >> Abell, in 1715. This won't work as Mary was named as a minor in her > >> father's will in 1714. She was not old enough to have married John > Abell > >> and have had 3 children by 1715. The wife of John Abell of SMC was ____ > >> FISHER, daughter of Edward Fisher. > >> > >> PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 1734 Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which > Thomas > >> Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who > sold > >> her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll. (Note to me from Tom Jennings, > 1/17/2004). > >> > >> Pete only does St. Mary's County land records. > >> > >> Linda Reno > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] > >> On Behalf Of K Mills > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 3:11 PM > >> To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Fisher or Usher and John Abell > >> > >> > >> > >> Okay, I found my former notes, Linda.I hate when I miss a bunch of posts > >> for > >> work travel, because it take me a while to get my brain in gear.John > Abells > >> have had me going round and round for years. > >> I found this site that gives more info, but I can't verify > >> it. > >> > >> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ritchiegenealogy/ritchie/7 > >> 869.htm< > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ritchiegenealogy/ritchie/7869.htm > > > >> I suspected that this inventory was filed BY Edward USHER for estate of > >> Thomas USHER.Brother or son Edward who was heir at law, or > son-in-law?Need > >> original to double check.Would Pete be able to find out the land in > KENT Co > >> or if this deed transcript actually says wife of JOHN ABELL? > >> PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which Thomas > >> Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who > sold > >> her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll. > >> PATENTS: Kent Co., Md. Thomas Usher 1705: Usher's Lott, The Neglect.1735 > >> (George Usher) Usher's > >> > >> Pt./Killinsworthmore. > ****************************************************** > >> ***********************John > >> Abell d. 1746 m. 1st Mary Usher 2nd Francis_____ > >> Abstract of Will of John Abell, dated: 15 Sep 1746 probated: 9 Nov 1746 > St. > >> Marys Co. > >> It named wife, Frances as adm. "my wife's son, John Howell and my > "dau-in > >> law, Catherine Hutchings" (step-dau. ?) son, Enoch Abell given 33 acres > of > >> Southern days; son, Cuthbert also named. In a codocil, he named his > >> brother, > >> Samuel Abell. Witnessed by Nathan Hickman, John Walker, and John > >> Swails.codicil: brother Samuel, witnessed by Robert Hutchings > >> Skinner, Abst of Inv 1744-1748p74John Abell, Sr. 35.89 > SM 68.158 > >> Apr 8 1747Appraisers: > >> John Read, Nathanial nickamnCreditors: John Abell, Gilbert IrelandNext > of > >> Kin: John Abell, Samuel AbellAdministratrix, Frances Abell > >> So are we now thinking there really was a son in law FISHER and this is > not > >> Usher family? > >> Edward Fisher[Usher] Accts, 368,75 5/13/1714 John Abell for his unnamed > >> wife, a child's part Thomas Batson for his unnamed wife, a child's > >> part payments to David Watson, John Abell, Henry Lowe, Thomas Price. > Admin. > >> William Thompson. > >> Inv. of Edward Fisher[Usher] 33b.143 1/13/1712 kin: John Abell, Thomas > >> Batson Thomas Batson 21.30 7/24/1735 Inv. 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