Hi again, John your reply raises several interesting questions. 1.) If you are correct, and I admit you present a good case, then which Joy did the Tecla who died in 1796 marry? The Tecla Drury I ascribe as a d/o John Drury (d. by 1724) could (and I emphasize could) have been born prior to 1720 but probably not prior to 1715. This would make her age between 76 and 81 at the time she died. There was sister Jane reported in the will. That is why I listed a Jane Drury as a d/o John (d. by 1724) and Mary Ford. 2.) Are you sure that Philip Norris (b. 12/25/1754) was the f/o the Elizabeth Norris who married Zachariah Peacock 10/25/1813? Linda has her mother as Ann (because of Ann's will) but without a father. Colonial Settlers of St. Mary's County (Elise Jourdain) has Philip s/o John & Mary born in 1754. Jourdain then lists children of Philip and Monica (baptized at St. Andrews) as Susanna (1751), Henrietta (1754), and Eleanor (1767). There is no Elizabeth Norris listed. In addition, Philip would hardly be fathering a child at age 7. How many Philip Norris' do we have? I'm very thin on the Norris line. 3.) Given the proximity of Drurys, Peacocks, Raleys and others, could there also be Norris households nearby? I'll be interested in your thoughts. If anyone else wants to comment I'd welcome all your thoughts. Don ________________________________ From: John Dobricky <john.dobricky@gmail.com> To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, March 11, 2013 3:23:30 PM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Tecla Thompson Hello again. If you look at the documents related to the administration of the Estate of Enoch Joy on 8/4/1747 in SMC, you will see that "Ozel" (Oswald Thompson--son of Arthur Thompson and brother of Tecla (Thompson) Payne) was one of the Securities for the Administration Bond. If you look at the documents related to the administration of the Estate of Thomas "Pain" (Payne--first husband of Tecla Thompson), you will see that John Thompson was one of the Major Creditors of the Estate on 2/7/1731/32 and 3/8/1731/32. Also, "Subbustain" (Sebastian) Thompson owed a debt to the Estate of Thomas Payne on 3/8/1732/33. The above does not constitute proof. But, there is as much circumstantial information connecting Tecla to the Thompson family as to the Drury family. And Tecla Thompson's probably birth year(s) fit better. John Dobricky On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Donald Drury <ddrury5840@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Hi John, > > How do you support the statements in your post? If true I have some major > revisions to do in my database. > > Don > > > > > ________________________________ > From: John Dobricky <john.dobricky@gmail.com> > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, March 11, 2013 11:31:21 AM > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Tecla Thompson > > Hello all. I agree completely that Tecla (Thompson) Payne married (2) > Enoch Joy (d. 1746 in SMC). I also agree that she was not the > individual who died in 1796. John Dobricky > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 8:59 AM, <clark8178@comcast.net> wrote: >> While we are on this subject do we have a marriage For Eleanor Payne daughter >>of Thomas Payne and Tecla Thompson, Eleanor Payne is the right age to be wife >of >>John Clarke son of Thomas Clarke and Grace Greenwell. Henry Payne her >>grandfather had associations with Abraham Combs father of Sarah Combs who >>married Robert Clarke (Parents of Thomas Clarke who married Grace Greenwell). >> >> even though she was single in 1732 if she married by 1741 it could work. >> >> >> Notes: >> p. 41, TLC Genealogy, St Mary's County, Maryland, Rent Rolls, 1639-1771 >> New Town Hundred >> Hamstead. 200. 0.8.0. Surveyed Jan 26, 1682 for Arthr Thomson in a plain. >>Possessor: 100 a - Oswald Thompson; 100 a - Tho: Payne. >> >> Pain, Thomas, St Mary's Co., 31st May, 1731; 16th Nov., 1731. >> To 3 sons Henry, Thomas and James, lands leased for 61 yrs. of John Baptist >>Carbery; 1/3 pt. next Deap Spring br. and Thomas Thomas' br. to son Henry, 1/3 >>next to Bryery's br. and Mr. Carbery's n. line to son Thomas, and 1/3 being >>dwell, plan, to son James (after decease of wife Tecla, extx.). >> Test: Robert Drury, James Thompson, Leonard Pain. 20, 258. >> >> Thomas Payne 16.434 SM £76.11.3 Feb 7 1731 Mar 8 1731/32 >> Appraisers: John Fare!, Charles Neale. >> Creditors: Thomas Spalding of Leonard Town, John Thompson. >> Next of kin: Henry Payne, Thomas Payne. >> Administratrix/Executrix: Trelay Pain. >> >> Thomas Pain 11.591 A SM £76.11.3 £89.2.1 Mar 8 1732/33 >> Received from: Henry Pain, George Booth, Subbustain Thomson. >> Payments to: Capt. George Clarice, Thomas Spalding. >> Distribution to: widow (unnamed, 1/3). >> Residue to: Henry Pain, Thomas Pain, James Pain, Elisabeth Pain, Jane Pain, >>Elleanor Pain, Terrisa Pain. >> Executrix: Teely Pain (also Teeley Pain). >> >> >> >> >> >> Here is part of a report Linda provided a couple of months ago. >> >> 4. THOMAS2 PAYNE (HENRY1) was born Bef. 1689 in St. Mary's Co., MD, and >> died 1731 in St. Mary's Co., MD. He married TECLA THOMPSON Bef. 1709 in St. >> Mary's Co., MD, daughter of ARTHUR THOMPSON and STRATFORD?. She was born >> Bef. 1694 in St. Mary's Co., MD, and died Aft. 1732 in St. Mary's Co., MD. >> >> Children of THOMAS PAYNE and TECLA THOMPSON are: >> i. HENRY3 PAYNE, b. Bef. 1711, St. Mary's Co., MD; >> d. Bef. 09 Nov 1741, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. ANN MEAKINS, Bef. 1741, St. Mary's >>Co., MD; >> b. Bef. 1702, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1745, St. Mary's Co., MD. >> ii. THOMAS PAYNE, JR., b. Bef. 1711, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. >> 1741, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. SUSANNA GRIFFIN, Bet. 1736 - 1752, St. Mary's >> Co., MD; b. Bef. 1733, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1752. >> iii. CHARLES PAYNE, b. Bef. 1717, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. >> 1731. >> iv. JAMES PAYNE, b. Bef. 1717, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1756, >> St. Mary's Co., MD. >> v. JANE PAYNE, b. Bef. 1722, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. 24 May >> 1770, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. LEONARD ALVEY, Bef. 1737, St. Mary's Co., MD; >> b. 1701, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. 13 Jan 1774, St. Mary's Co., MD. >> vi. ELEANOR PAYNE, b. Bef. 1731, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. >> 1732. >> vii. ELIZABETH PAYNE, b. Bef. 1731, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. >> 1732. >> viii. TERESA PAYNE, b. Bef. 1731, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Bef. 02 >> Jul 1784, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. ARTHUR THOMPSON, Bef. 1757, St. Mary's Co., >> MD; b. Bef. 1712, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Bef. Feb 1778, St. Mary's Co., MD. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "C Greenwell" <cgreenwell01@gmail.com> >> To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 3:55:41 AM >> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Tecla Drury >> >> Hi Donn, >> >> So, if the Teachlea Drury who died in 1796 was the wife of Enoch Joy >> (d. 1746), then wouldn't it be odd that after 50 years she never >> remarried? >> >> I also believe that the wife of Enoch Joy (d. 1746) was the relict of >> Thomas Payne, Telca Thompson dau of Arthur Thompson. Just my opinion >> and worth a look at. >> >> Randy >> >> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Donald Drury <ddrury5840@sbcglobal.net> > wrote: >>> Can anyone furnish a copy of the Will of Tecla Drury? I'm not sure which > Tecla >>> Drury this is. It could be the will of Tecla Drury Joy (spouse of Enoch d. >>>1746) >>> or it could be Tecla Drury d/o Philip and Emerentia. This will is supposed to >>> mention a sister Jane. >>> >>> >>> I have been assuming for the past few years that she was a sister of Peter >>>Drury >>> (d. 1770) but if she was a d/o Philip it would make more sense and give >>> additional support for Jane Drury Peacock being this elusive sister. >>> >>> All help and comments welcome. >>> >>> Don Drury >>> >>> >>> These books on family history available now: >>> Remember: The Drury Family, Volume I >>> Remember: The Drury Family from England to Maryland and the Frontier, Volume >>II >>> Authors: PatriciaBishopObrist, Robert William Dora and Donald William Drury >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in >>>the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >>the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >>the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have 6 Phillips in my file Philip b. 1742 s/o John Baptist Norris & Mary Norris m. Monica Norris b. 1739 d/o Thomas Norris & Jane Greenwell. Philip b.25 Dec 1754 s/o John Norris & Mary Howard, no marriage data on him Philip b.1 May 1758 s/o Thomas Norris & Mary Ann Peak, m. Bibianna Norris b. 17 Mar 1766 d/o John Norris & Mary Howard. Philip b. 1784 s/o Philip Norris & Bibianna Norris Philip Norris b. 1821 s/o William Norris & Treacy Norris, m. Mary E. Cissell b. 1826 Most of this data was gleaned from SMC list over the last 15 years. I do have 43 Eliza/Elizabeth Norris b. 1604 to 1910. There are other Norris from SMC that I have not tried to trace. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Drury" <ddrury5840@sbcglobal.net> To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Tecla Thompson Hi again, John your reply raises several interesting questions. 1.) If you are correct, and I admit you present a good case, then which Joy did the Tecla who died in 1796 marry? The Tecla Drury I ascribe as a d/o John Drury (d. by 1724) could (and I emphasize could) have been born prior to 1720 but probably not prior to 1715. This would make her age between 76 and 81 at the time she died. There was sister Jane reported in the will. That is why I listed a Jane Drury as a d/o John (d. by 1724) and Mary Ford. 2.) Are you sure that Philip Norris (b. 12/25/1754) was the f/o the Elizabeth Norris who married Zachariah Peacock 10/25/1813? Linda has her mother as Ann (because of Ann's will) but without a father. Colonial Settlers of St. Mary's County (Elise Jourdain) has Philip s/o John & Mary born in 1754. Jourdain then lists children of Philip and Monica (baptized at St. Andrews) as Susanna (1751), Henrietta (1754), and Eleanor (1767). There is no Elizabeth Norris listed. In addition, Philip would hardly be fathering a child at age 7. How many Philip Norris' do we have? I'm very thin on the Norris line. 3.) Given the proximity of Drurys, Peacocks, Raleys and others, could there also be Norris households nearby? I'll be interested in your thoughts. If anyone else wants to comment I'd welcome all your thoughts. Don ________________________________ From: John Dobricky <john.dobricky@gmail.com> To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, March 11, 2013 3:23:30 PM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Tecla Thompson Hello again. If you look at the documents related to the administration of the Estate of Enoch Joy on 8/4/1747 in SMC, you will see that "Ozel" (Oswald Thompson--son of Arthur Thompson and brother of Tecla (Thompson) Payne) was one of the Securities for the Administration Bond. If you look at the documents related to the administration of the Estate of Thomas "Pain" (Payne--first husband of Tecla Thompson), you will see that John Thompson was one of the Major Creditors of the Estate on 2/7/1731/32 and 3/8/1731/32. Also, "Subbustain" (Sebastian) Thompson owed a debt to the Estate of Thomas Payne on 3/8/1732/33. The above does not constitute proof. But, there is as much circumstantial information connecting Tecla to the Thompson family as to the Drury family. And Tecla Thompson's probably birth year(s) fit better. John Dobricky On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Donald Drury <ddrury5840@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Hi John, > > How do you support the statements in your post? If true I have some major > revisions to do in my database. > > Don > > > > > ________________________________ > From: John Dobricky <john.dobricky@gmail.com> > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, March 11, 2013 11:31:21 AM > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Tecla Thompson > > Hello all. I agree completely that Tecla (Thompson) Payne married (2) > Enoch Joy (d. 1746 in SMC). I also agree that she was not the > individual who died in 1796. John Dobricky > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 8:59 AM, <clark8178@comcast.net> wrote: >> While we are on this subject do we have a marriage For Eleanor Payne >> daughter >>of Thomas Payne and Tecla Thompson, Eleanor Payne is the right age to be >>wife >of >>John Clarke son of Thomas Clarke and Grace Greenwell. Henry Payne her >>grandfather had associations with Abraham Combs father of Sarah Combs who >>married Robert Clarke (Parents of Thomas Clarke who married Grace >>Greenwell). >> >> even though she was single in 1732 if she married by 1741 it could work. >> >> >> Notes: >> p. 41, TLC Genealogy, St Mary's County, Maryland, Rent Rolls, 1639-1771 >> New Town Hundred >> Hamstead. 200. 0.8.0. Surveyed Jan 26, 1682 for Arthr Thomson in a plain. >>Possessor: 100 a - Oswald Thompson; 100 a - Tho: Payne. >> >> Pain, Thomas, St Mary's Co., 31st May, 1731; 16th Nov., 1731. >> To 3 sons Henry, Thomas and James, lands leased for 61 yrs. of John >> Baptist >>Carbery; 1/3 pt. next Deap Spring br. and Thomas Thomas' br. to son Henry, >>1/3 >>next to Bryery's br. and Mr. Carbery's n. line to son Thomas, and 1/3 >>being >>dwell, plan, to son James (after decease of wife Tecla, extx.). >> Test: Robert Drury, James Thompson, Leonard Pain. 20, 258. >> >> Thomas Payne 16.434 SM £76.11.3 Feb 7 1731 Mar 8 1731/32 >> Appraisers: John Fare!, Charles Neale. >> Creditors: Thomas Spalding of Leonard Town, John Thompson. >> Next of kin: Henry Payne, Thomas Payne. >> Administratrix/Executrix: Trelay Pain. >> >> Thomas Pain 11.591 A SM £76.11.3 £89.2.1 Mar 8 1732/33 >> Received from: Henry Pain, George Booth, Subbustain Thomson. >> Payments to: Capt. George Clarice, Thomas Spalding. >> Distribution to: widow (unnamed, 1/3). >> Residue to: Henry Pain, Thomas Pain, James Pain, Elisabeth Pain, Jane >> Pain, >>Elleanor Pain, Terrisa Pain. >> Executrix: Teely Pain (also Teeley Pain). >> >> >> >> >> >> Here is part of a report Linda provided a couple of months ago. >> >> 4. THOMAS2 PAYNE (HENRY1) was born Bef. 1689 in St. Mary's Co., MD, and >> died 1731 in St. Mary's Co., MD. He married TECLA THOMPSON Bef. 1709 in >> St. >> Mary's Co., MD, daughter of ARTHUR THOMPSON and STRATFORD?. She was born >> Bef. 1694 in St. Mary's Co., MD, and died Aft. 1732 in St. Mary's Co., >> MD. >> >> Children of THOMAS PAYNE and TECLA THOMPSON are: >> i. HENRY3 PAYNE, b. Bef. 1711, St. Mary's Co., MD; >> d. Bef. 09 Nov 1741, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. ANN MEAKINS, Bef. 1741, St. Mary's >>Co., MD; >> b. Bef. 1702, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1745, St. Mary's Co., MD. >> ii. THOMAS PAYNE, JR., b. Bef. 1711, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. >> 1741, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. SUSANNA GRIFFIN, Bet. 1736 - 1752, St. >> Mary's >> Co., MD; b. Bef. 1733, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1752. >> iii. CHARLES PAYNE, b. Bef. 1717, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. >> 1731. >> iv. JAMES PAYNE, b. Bef. 1717, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1756, >> St. Mary's Co., MD. >> v. JANE PAYNE, b. Bef. 1722, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. 24 May >> 1770, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. LEONARD ALVEY, Bef. 1737, St. Mary's Co., >> MD; >> b. 1701, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. 13 Jan 1774, St. Mary's Co., MD. >> vi. ELEANOR PAYNE, b. Bef. 1731, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. >> 1732. >> vii. ELIZABETH PAYNE, b. Bef. 1731, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. >> 1732. >> viii. TERESA PAYNE, b. Bef. 1731, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Bef. 02 >> Jul 1784, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. ARTHUR THOMPSON, Bef. 1757, St. Mary's >> Co., >> MD; b. Bef. 1712, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Bef. Feb 1778, St. Mary's Co., >> MD. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "C Greenwell" <cgreenwell01@gmail.com> >> To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 3:55:41 AM >> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Tecla Drury >> >> Hi Donn, >> >> So, if the Teachlea Drury who died in 1796 was the wife of Enoch Joy >> (d. 1746), then wouldn't it be odd that after 50 years she never >> remarried? >> >> I also believe that the wife of Enoch Joy (d. 1746) was the relict of >> Thomas Payne, Telca Thompson dau of Arthur Thompson. Just my opinion >> and worth a look at. >> >> Randy >> >> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Donald Drury <ddrury5840@sbcglobal.net> > wrote: >>> Can anyone furnish a copy of the Will of Tecla Drury? I'm not sure which > Tecla >>> Drury this is. It could be the will of Tecla Drury Joy (spouse of Enoch >>> d. >>>1746) >>> or it could be Tecla Drury d/o Philip and Emerentia. This will is >>> supposed to >>> mention a sister Jane. >>> >>> >>> I have been assuming for the past few years that she was a sister of >>> Peter >>>Drury >>> (d. 1770) but if she was a d/o Philip it would make more sense and give >>> additional support for Jane Drury Peacock being this elusive sister. >>> >>> All help and comments welcome. >>> >>> Don Drury >>> >>> >>> These books on family history available now: >>> Remember: The Drury Family, Volume I >>> Remember: The Drury Family from England to Maryland and the Frontier, >>> Volume >>II >>> Authors: PatriciaBishopObrist, Robert William Dora and Donald William >>> Drury >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes >in >>>the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in >>the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in >>the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in >the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, as always happens with SMC genealogy, these folks are certainly confusing. Perhaps we need a seance? (Just teasing.) John D. On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Donald Drury <ddrury5840@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Hi again, > > John your reply raises several interesting questions. > > 1.) If you are correct, and I admit you present a good case, then which Joy did > the Tecla who died in 1796 marry? > > > The Tecla Drury I ascribe as a d/o John Drury (d. by 1724) could (and I > emphasize could) have been born prior to 1720 but probably not prior to 1715. > This would make her age between 76 and 81 at the time she died. There was sister > Jane reported in the will. That is why I listed a Jane Drury as a d/o John (d. > by 1724) and Mary Ford. > > 2.) Are you sure that Philip Norris (b. 12/25/1754) was the f/o the Elizabeth > Norris who married Zachariah Peacock 10/25/1813? Linda has her mother as Ann > (because of Ann's will) but without a father. > > > Colonial Settlers of St. Mary's County (Elise Jourdain) has Philip s/o John & > Mary born in 1754. Jourdain then lists children of Philip and Monica (baptized > at St. Andrews) as Susanna (1751), Henrietta (1754), and Eleanor (1767). There > is no Elizabeth Norris listed. In addition, Philip would hardly be fathering a > child at age 7. How many Philip Norris' do we have? I'm very thin on the Norris > line. > > 3.) Given the proximity of Drurys, Peacocks, Raleys and others, could there also > be Norris households nearby? > > I'll be interested in your thoughts. If anyone else wants to comment I'd welcome > all your thoughts. > > Don > > > > > ________________________________ > From: John Dobricky <john.dobricky@gmail.com> > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, March 11, 2013 3:23:30 PM > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Tecla Thompson > > Hello again. If you look at the documents related to the > administration of the Estate of Enoch Joy on 8/4/1747 in SMC, you will > see that "Ozel" (Oswald Thompson--son of Arthur Thompson and brother > of Tecla (Thompson) Payne) was one of the Securities for the > Administration Bond. > > If you look at the documents related to the administration of the > Estate of Thomas "Pain" (Payne--first husband of Tecla Thompson), you > will see that John Thompson was one of the Major Creditors of the > Estate on 2/7/1731/32 and 3/8/1731/32. Also, "Subbustain" (Sebastian) > Thompson owed a debt to the Estate of Thomas Payne on 3/8/1732/33. > > The above does not constitute proof. But, there is as much > circumstantial information connecting Tecla to the Thompson family as > to the Drury family. And Tecla Thompson's probably birth year(s) fit > better. John Dobricky > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Donald Drury <ddrury5840@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> Hi John, >> >> How do you support the statements in your post? If true I have some major >> revisions to do in my database. >> >> Don >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: John Dobricky <john.dobricky@gmail.com> >> To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Mon, March 11, 2013 11:31:21 AM >> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Tecla Thompson >> >> Hello all. I agree completely that Tecla (Thompson) Payne married (2) >> Enoch Joy (d. 1746 in SMC). I also agree that she was not the >> individual who died in 1796. John Dobricky >> >> On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 8:59 AM, <clark8178@comcast.net> wrote: >>> While we are on this subject do we have a marriage For Eleanor Payne daughter >>>of Thomas Payne and Tecla Thompson, Eleanor Payne is the right age to be wife >>of >>>John Clarke son of Thomas Clarke and Grace Greenwell. Henry Payne her >>>grandfather had associations with Abraham Combs father of Sarah Combs who >>>married Robert Clarke (Parents of Thomas Clarke who married Grace Greenwell). >>> >>> even though she was single in 1732 if she married by 1741 it could work. >>> >>> >>> Notes: >>> p. 41, TLC Genealogy, St Mary's County, Maryland, Rent Rolls, 1639-1771 >>> New Town Hundred >>> Hamstead. 200. 0.8.0. Surveyed Jan 26, 1682 for Arthr Thomson in a plain. >>>Possessor: 100 a - Oswald Thompson; 100 a - Tho: Payne. >>> >>> Pain, Thomas, St Mary's Co., 31st May, 1731; 16th Nov., 1731. >>> To 3 sons Henry, Thomas and James, lands leased for 61 yrs. of John Baptist >>>Carbery; 1/3 pt. next Deap Spring br. and Thomas Thomas' br. to son Henry, 1/3 >>>next to Bryery's br. and Mr. Carbery's n. line to son Thomas, and 1/3 being >>>dwell, plan, to son James (after decease of wife Tecla, extx.). >>> Test: Robert Drury, James Thompson, Leonard Pain. 20, 258. >>> >>> Thomas Payne 16.434 SM £76.11.3 Feb 7 1731 Mar 8 1731/32 >>> Appraisers: John Fare!, Charles Neale. >>> Creditors: Thomas Spalding of Leonard Town, John Thompson. >>> Next of kin: Henry Payne, Thomas Payne. >>> Administratrix/Executrix: Trelay Pain. >>> >>> Thomas Pain 11.591 A SM £76.11.3 £89.2.1 Mar 8 1732/33 >>> Received from: Henry Pain, George Booth, Subbustain Thomson. >>> Payments to: Capt. George Clarice, Thomas Spalding. >>> Distribution to: widow (unnamed, 1/3). >>> Residue to: Henry Pain, Thomas Pain, James Pain, Elisabeth Pain, Jane Pain, >>>Elleanor Pain, Terrisa Pain. >>> Executrix: Teely Pain (also Teeley Pain). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Here is part of a report Linda provided a couple of months ago. >>> >>> 4. THOMAS2 PAYNE (HENRY1) was born Bef. 1689 in St. Mary's Co., MD, and >>> died 1731 in St. Mary's Co., MD. He married TECLA THOMPSON Bef. 1709 in St. >>> Mary's Co., MD, daughter of ARTHUR THOMPSON and STRATFORD?. She was born >>> Bef. 1694 in St. Mary's Co., MD, and died Aft. 1732 in St. Mary's Co., MD. >>> >>> Children of THOMAS PAYNE and TECLA THOMPSON are: >>> i. HENRY3 PAYNE, b. Bef. 1711, St. Mary's Co., MD; >>> d. Bef. 09 Nov 1741, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. ANN MEAKINS, Bef. 1741, St. > Mary's >>>Co., MD; >>> b. Bef. 1702, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1745, St. Mary's Co., MD. >>> ii. THOMAS PAYNE, JR., b. Bef. 1711, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. >>> 1741, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. SUSANNA GRIFFIN, Bet. 1736 - 1752, St. Mary's >>> Co., MD; b. Bef. 1733, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1752. >>> iii. CHARLES PAYNE, b. Bef. 1717, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. >>> 1731. >>> iv. JAMES PAYNE, b. Bef. 1717, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1756, >>> St. Mary's Co., MD. >>> v. JANE PAYNE, b. Bef. 1722, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. 24 May >>> 1770, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. LEONARD ALVEY, Bef. 1737, St. Mary's Co., MD; >>> b. 1701, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. 13 Jan 1774, St. Mary's Co., MD. >>> vi. ELEANOR PAYNE, b. Bef. 1731, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. >>> 1732. >>> vii. ELIZABETH PAYNE, b. Bef. 1731, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. >>> 1732. >>> viii. TERESA PAYNE, b. Bef. 1731, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Bef. 02 >>> Jul 1784, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. ARTHUR THOMPSON, Bef. 1757, St. Mary's Co., >>> MD; b. Bef. 1712, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Bef. Feb 1778, St. Mary's Co., MD. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "C Greenwell" <cgreenwell01@gmail.com> >>> To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 3:55:41 AM >>> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Tecla Drury >>> >>> Hi Donn, >>> >>> So, if the Teachlea Drury who died in 1796 was the wife of Enoch Joy >>> (d. 1746), then wouldn't it be odd that after 50 years she never >>> remarried? >>> >>> I also believe that the wife of Enoch Joy (d. 1746) was the relict of >>> Thomas Payne, Telca Thompson dau of Arthur Thompson. Just my opinion >>> and worth a look at. >>> >>> Randy >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Donald Drury <ddrury5840@sbcglobal.net> >> wrote: >>>> Can anyone furnish a copy of the Will of Tecla Drury? I'm not sure which >> Tecla >>>> Drury this is. It could be the will of Tecla Drury Joy (spouse of Enoch d. >>>>1746) >>>> or it could be Tecla Drury d/o Philip and Emerentia. This will is supposed > to >>>> mention a sister Jane. >>>> >>>> >>>> I have been assuming for the past few years that she was a sister of Peter >>>>Drury >>>> (d. 1770) but if she was a d/o Philip it would make more sense and give >>>> additional support for Jane Drury Peacock being this elusive sister. >>>> >>>> All help and comments welcome. >>>> >>>> Don Drury >>>> >>>> >>>> These books on family history available now: >>>> Remember: The Drury Family, Volume I >>>> Remember: The Drury Family from England to Maryland and the Frontier, Volume >>>II >>>> Authors: PatriciaBishopObrist, Robert William Dora and Donald William Drury >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>in >>>>the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in >>>the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in >>>the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >>the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Item #2 must be old information. Elizabeth Norris, born 1773, wife of Zachariah Peacock, was the daughter of Philip Norris, 1742-1809 and Monica Norris, 1739-1812. Elizabeth was named in the wills of both of her parents. She married Zachariah Peacock October 25, 1813 and was living as late as 1830. Will of Philip Norris, St. Mary's Co., 2/17/1809-5/18/1809. Wife: Monica Norris, one-third of my personal estate and the plantation where I live called "Pilkerton's Venture" and Part of "Last Shift" containing 70 acres during her life. Son: James Norris, my desk and my plantation after the death of my wife. Grandson: John Baptist Norris, one cow. Children: James Norris, Elizabeth Norris, Susanna Norris, and Mary Norris, the remaining two thirds of my personal estate divided equally. Exec.: Son, James Norris. Wit.: Ignatius Shirley, Joseph Wheatley, George Barnhouse. (St. Mary's County, Maryland Wills, 1803-1820 by Linda Reno and Joann Humphries). 9/11/1830: ST. MARY'S COUNTY COURT (Land Records) JH 8, 1827-1830 MSA CE 121-2 (page 527) (My Abstract). Indenture made 9/11/1830 Rebecca Norris, Edward Clarke & wife, Mary Clarke, Zachariah Peacock & wife, Elizabeth Peacock for the sum of $60 sell to John Baptist Norris that tract of land where Philip Norris died composed of two tracts "Pilkinton's Venture" & the other "Last Shift" together with all buildings, etc. (Courtesy, Tom Jennings). Linda Reno -----Original Message----- From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Donald Drury Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 9:16 PM To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Tecla Thompson Hi again, John your reply raises several interesting questions. 1.) If you are correct, and I admit you present a good case, then which Joy did the Tecla who died in 1796 marry? The Tecla Drury I ascribe as a d/o John Drury (d. by 1724) could (and I emphasize could) have been born prior to 1720 but probably not prior to 1715. This would make her age between 76 and 81 at the time she died. There was sister Jane reported in the will. That is why I listed a Jane Drury as a d/o John (d. by 1724) and Mary Ford. 2.) Are you sure that Philip Norris (b. 12/25/1754) was the f/o the Elizabeth Norris who married Zachariah Peacock 10/25/1813? Linda has her mother as Ann (because of Ann's will) but without a father. Colonial Settlers of St. Mary's County (Elise Jourdain) has Philip s/o John & Mary born in 1754. Jourdain then lists children of Philip and Monica (baptized at St. Andrews) as Susanna (1751), Henrietta (1754), and Eleanor (1767). There is no Elizabeth Norris listed. In addition, Philip would hardly be fathering a child at age 7. How many Philip Norris' do we have? I'm very thin on the Norris line. 3.) Given the proximity of Drurys, Peacocks, Raleys and others, could there also be Norris households nearby? I'll be interested in your thoughts. If anyone else wants to comment I'd welcome all your thoughts. Don ________________________________ From: John Dobricky <john.dobricky@gmail.com> To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, March 11, 2013 3:23:30 PM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Tecla Thompson Hello again. If you look at the documents related to the administration of the Estate of Enoch Joy on 8/4/1747 in SMC, you will see that "Ozel" (Oswald Thompson--son of Arthur Thompson and brother of Tecla (Thompson) Payne) was one of the Securities for the Administration Bond. If you look at the documents related to the administration of the Estate of Thomas "Pain" (Payne--first husband of Tecla Thompson), you will see that John Thompson was one of the Major Creditors of the Estate on 2/7/1731/32 and 3/8/1731/32. Also, "Subbustain" (Sebastian) Thompson owed a debt to the Estate of Thomas Payne on 3/8/1732/33. The above does not constitute proof. But, there is as much circumstantial information connecting Tecla to the Thompson family as to the Drury family. And Tecla Thompson's probably birth year(s) fit better. John Dobricky On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Donald Drury <ddrury5840@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Hi John, > > How do you support the statements in your post? If true I have some major > revisions to do in my database. > > Don > > > > > ________________________________ > From: John Dobricky <john.dobricky@gmail.com> > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, March 11, 2013 11:31:21 AM > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Tecla Thompson > > Hello all. I agree completely that Tecla (Thompson) Payne married (2) > Enoch Joy (d. 1746 in SMC). I also agree that she was not the > individual who died in 1796. John Dobricky > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 8:59 AM, <clark8178@comcast.net> wrote: >> While we are on this subject do we have a marriage For Eleanor Payne daughter >>of Thomas Payne and Tecla Thompson, Eleanor Payne is the right age to be wife >of >>John Clarke son of Thomas Clarke and Grace Greenwell. Henry Payne her >>grandfather had associations with Abraham Combs father of Sarah Combs who >>married Robert Clarke (Parents of Thomas Clarke who married Grace Greenwell). >> >> even though she was single in 1732 if she married by 1741 it could work. >> >> >> Notes: >> p. 41, TLC Genealogy, St Mary's County, Maryland, Rent Rolls, 1639-1771 >> New Town Hundred >> Hamstead. 200. 0.8.0. Surveyed Jan 26, 1682 for Arthr Thomson in a plain. >>Possessor: 100 a - Oswald Thompson; 100 a - Tho: Payne. >> >> Pain, Thomas, St Mary's Co., 31st May, 1731; 16th Nov., 1731. >> To 3 sons Henry, Thomas and James, lands leased for 61 yrs. of John Baptist >>Carbery; 1/3 pt. next Deap Spring br. and Thomas Thomas' br. to son Henry, 1/3 >>next to Bryery's br. and Mr. Carbery's n. line to son Thomas, and 1/3 being >>dwell, plan, to son James (after decease of wife Tecla, extx.). >> Test: Robert Drury, James Thompson, Leonard Pain. 20, 258. >> >> Thomas Payne 16.434 SM £76.11.3 Feb 7 1731 Mar 8 1731/32 >> Appraisers: John Fare!, Charles Neale. >> Creditors: Thomas Spalding of Leonard Town, John Thompson. >> Next of kin: Henry Payne, Thomas Payne. >> Administratrix/Executrix: Trelay Pain. >> >> Thomas Pain 11.591 A SM £76.11.3 £89.2.1 Mar 8 1732/33 >> Received from: Henry Pain, George Booth, Subbustain Thomson. >> Payments to: Capt. George Clarice, Thomas Spalding. >> Distribution to: widow (unnamed, 1/3). >> Residue to: Henry Pain, Thomas Pain, James Pain, Elisabeth Pain, Jane Pain, >>Elleanor Pain, Terrisa Pain. >> Executrix: Teely Pain (also Teeley Pain). >> >> >> >> >> >> Here is part of a report Linda provided a couple of months ago. >> >> 4. THOMAS2 PAYNE (HENRY1) was born Bef. 1689 in St. Mary's Co., MD, and >> died 1731 in St. Mary's Co., MD. He married TECLA THOMPSON Bef. 1709 in St. >> Mary's Co., MD, daughter of ARTHUR THOMPSON and STRATFORD?. She was born >> Bef. 1694 in St. Mary's Co., MD, and died Aft. 1732 in St. Mary's Co., MD. >> >> Children of THOMAS PAYNE and TECLA THOMPSON are: >> i. HENRY3 PAYNE, b. Bef. 1711, St. Mary's Co., MD; >> d. Bef. 09 Nov 1741, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. ANN MEAKINS, Bef. 1741, St. Mary's >>Co., MD; >> b. Bef. 1702, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1745, St. Mary's Co., MD. >> ii. THOMAS PAYNE, JR., b. Bef. 1711, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. >> 1741, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. SUSANNA GRIFFIN, Bet. 1736 - 1752, St. Mary's >> Co., MD; b. Bef. 1733, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1752. >> iii. CHARLES PAYNE, b. Bef. 1717, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. >> 1731. >> iv. JAMES PAYNE, b. Bef. 1717, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1756, >> St. Mary's Co., MD. >> v. JANE PAYNE, b. Bef. 1722, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. 24 May >> 1770, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. LEONARD ALVEY, Bef. 1737, St. Mary's Co., MD; >> b. 1701, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. 13 Jan 1774, St. Mary's Co., MD. >> vi. ELEANOR PAYNE, b. Bef. 1731, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. >> 1732. >> vii. ELIZABETH PAYNE, b. Bef. 1731, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. >> 1732. >> viii. TERESA PAYNE, b. Bef. 1731, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Bef. 02 >> Jul 1784, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. ARTHUR THOMPSON, Bef. 1757, St. Mary's Co., >> MD; b. Bef. 1712, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Bef. Feb 1778, St. Mary's Co., MD. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "C Greenwell" <cgreenwell01@gmail.com> >> To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 3:55:41 AM >> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Tecla Drury >> >> Hi Donn, >> >> So, if the Teachlea Drury who died in 1796 was the wife of Enoch Joy >> (d. 1746), then wouldn't it be odd that after 50 years she never >> remarried? >> >> I also believe that the wife of Enoch Joy (d. 1746) was the relict of >> Thomas Payne, Telca Thompson dau of Arthur Thompson. Just my opinion >> and worth a look at. >> >> Randy >> >> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Donald Drury <ddrury5840@sbcglobal.net> > wrote: >>> Can anyone furnish a copy of the Will of Tecla Drury? I'm not sure which > Tecla >>> Drury this is. It could be the will of Tecla Drury Joy (spouse of Enoch d. >>>1746) >>> or it could be Tecla Drury d/o Philip and Emerentia. This will is supposed to >>> mention a sister Jane. >>> >>> >>> I have been assuming for the past few years that she was a sister of Peter >>>Drury >>> (d. 1770) but if she was a d/o Philip it would make more sense and give >>> additional support for Jane Drury Peacock being this elusive sister. >>> >>> All help and comments welcome. >>> >>> Don Drury >>> >>> >>> These books on family history available now: >>> Remember: The Drury Family, Volume I >>> Remember: The Drury Family from England to Maryland and the Frontier, Volume >>II >>> Authors: PatriciaBishopObrist, Robert William Dora and Donald William Drury >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in >>>the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >>the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >>the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message