Randy, Thanks very much for posting the information about John Davis's estate and distributions in 1718. That is interesting and adds to the total story of these early Joseph Edwards. Otherwise, I can only respond to part of your post - the part related to "Price's Lott". My hope is that I am reading your post correctly. If not, my apologies. Randy wrote 15 Jan 2013: "John Price died before the Patent was issued. In his will he bequeathed Prices Lot to his daughter Ann Roberts who intemarried with Joseph Edwards after the death of her husband John Roberts. Joseph and Ann Edwards died Intestate and Prices Lot then descended to their son John Edwards. {This makes John the oldest living male at that time.} John died Intestate and his rights to the land descended to his Eldest Son, Joseph Edwards. On 20 May 1769, Joseph Edwards sold Prices Lot to John Horrell. Reference Patent 523 issued to John Horrell, 30 Aug 1771. (my transcription)" There is no direct statement in the chain of title document that John Edwards, son of Ann Price and Joseph Edwards, was Joseph's eldest son, but it implies that he was either Ann's eldest son or her only son, because he was her heir at law and Joseph's for "Price's Lott." Joseph Edwards died 1718 may have had another wife who gave him sons other than John: namely Stourton, Joseph, Benjamin, and Robert. Only John Edwards' son Joseph Edwards is described as "eldest son" of John. It appears that the chain of title to "Price's Lott" is from John Price to his daughter Ann Price Roberts, widowed by John Roberts who died in 1699. Then Ann married Joseph Edwards in 1699 or 1700 and together they had a son John Edwards (born after their marriage in 1699 or 1700) to whom "Price's Lott" passed after Joseph and Ann Edwards died intestate (Joseph in 1718 and Ann in 17??). John Edwards then died intestate in 1743/44 and John's "eldest son and heir at law" Joseph Edwards inherited "Price's Lott" and later sold it in 1769 to John Horrell. So the Joseph Edwards who inherited "Price's Lott" and sold it was not the Joseph Edwards (Jr.) who died testate in 1746, but rather Joseph 1769 was the nephew of Joseph who died in 1746. The weak link in all of the above is that the chain of title does not specify when John Edwards died (whether in 1744 or otherwise except that it was before his son Joseph sold "Price's Lott" in 1769). Nor does it mention John's wife. -------------------- >From Linda Reno on 2-2-2000 "Joseph Edwards (died 1718) married Ann (Price), the widow of John Roberts, sometime between 1698 and 1700. On 7/1/1700 Joseph Edwards was listed as admin of John Roberts estate. Ann (Price) Roberts was the daughter of John Price (died 1698) and Joan (?) Price. From: mike marshall <mrmarsha2004@yahoo.com> Subject: [MDSTMARY] John Price d1698 St. Mary's County Md Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 "John Price willed (1698) Prices lot to his daughter Anne Roberts who intermarried to Joseph Edwards. Anne had a son John Edwards. upon the death of Joseph and Anne, John Edwards entered and possessed the afsd land and died intestate where the land descended to his eldest son Joseph Edwards and heir at law. Joseph for valuable consideration 2 Feb1769 sold his rights to John Horrell." ----------------- I read the document relating to "Price's Lott" ownership chain and it appears to me that Mike summarized it well. Best regards, Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "C Greenwell" <cgreenwell01@gmail.com> To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Stourton Edwards witness to 1725 will of WilliamHulse Hi Linda and List, Lots of questions here. I am half affraid even to get into these guys because every time I do I seem to get it mixed up. But here goes.... I guess I will start with Generation 1. Ann Price married Joseph Edwards bef. 6 Sep 1699 and aft. 1698 John Roberts 19-1/2B.117 A SM #2844 Sep 6 1699 Received from: Francis Grayham [Grayson], Christopher Williamson. Payments to: Mr. Robert Mason, James Wood, Mr. Jacob Moreland, James Latch, John Gellum [Gillam], John Duckett, Administrators Joseph Edwards. The son, Joseph Edwards (d. 1746), I show his birth date prior to 1697 based on the probate of John Davis (d. 1718) whoes estate paid 2 Joseph Edwards. Joseph Edwards the father was deceased prior to this distribution as his Inventory was taken in April 1718. So, is this the son? John Davis 1,54 A SM £88.6.5 £19.8.10 Jun 3 1718 Payments to: Thomas Trueman Greenfield, William Fenwick, Edward Millum, John Hayes, John Davis, John Barniby, Thomas Trueman, Peter Oneal, James Wood & Joseph Edwards, William Biggs, William Leack, Joseph Edwards, Capt. Thomas Trueman Greenfield, Executrix: Anne Wood, wife of Samuell Wood. The son, John Edwards (d. 1744), well here is somehing that confuses me. Look at Patent 523: A Special Warrant was issued to John Price to Resurvey Prices Lot on 2 May 1682 for John Price of Calvert County. The land consisted of 164 A next to Trent Creek aand the Cabin Branch on the west sid of the Putuxent, The Survey was completed on 18 Jul 1682. Reference Land Records, Libor 21 folio 414. John Price died before the Patent was issued. In his will he bequeathed Prices Lot to his daughter Ann Roberts who intemarried with Joseph Edwards after the death of her husband John Roberts. Joseph and Ann Edwards died Intestate and Prices Lot then descended to thier son John Edwards. {This makes John the oldest living male at that time.} John died Intestate and his rights to the land decended to his Eldest Son, Joseph Edwards. On 20 May 1769, Joseph Edwards sold Prices Lot to John Horrell. Reference Patent 523 issued to John Horrell, 30 Aug 1771. (my transcription) http://plato.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/stagser/s1500/s1529/cfm/dsp_unit.cfm?county=sm&qualifier=S&series=1205&unit=538 If John was the oldest son of Joseph (d. 1718) and his other son was born bef. 1697, then would John not be born before 1696? Which would mean that neither were children of Ann Price. So, before I really confuse everyone, I need to ask....... Stourton Edwards and Benjamin Edwards that are shown as children of Joseph (d. 1718), is it possible that they are really children of Joseph (d. 1746)? Randy On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> wrote: > Dan, > > According to my files the first Stourton Edwards was the son of Joseph > Edwards (d. 1718). Joseph Edwards, Jr. (d. 1766), brother of Stourton, > also > had a son named Stourton who was often referred to in the records as > Stourton, Jr. to avoid confusion with his uncle. > > As you'll see below, the birth dates are guesstimates for the most part. > > Land records weren't a part of the probate process, but they're a useful > tool in trying to figure out who belongs to who, where they lived, etc. > > The last definite record I can point to is Stourton Edwards owning 190 > acres > of "St. Thomas" in 1755. His will does not refer to his property by name. > > Below is how I have the first couple of generations of this family lined > up. > Additions, corrections appreciated. > > Linda Reno > > Descendants of Joseph Edwards > > > Generation No. 1 > > 1. JOSEPH1 EDWARDS was born Bef. 1664, and died 1718 in St. Mary's Co., > MD. > He married ANN PRICE Bef. Jul 1700 in St. Mary's Co., MD, daughter of JOHN > PRICE and JOAN. She was born Bef. 1670, and died Aft. 1700 in St. Mary's > Co., MD. > > Children of JOSEPH EDWARDS and ANN PRICE are: > 2. i. STOURTON2 EDWARDS, b. Bef. 1702, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. > 1766, St. Mary's Co., MD. > 3. ii. JOSEPH EDWARDS, JR., b. Bef. 1703, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. > May 1746, St. Mary's Co., MD. > 4. iii. JOHN EDWARDS, b. Bef. 1715, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Bef. 18 > Feb 1743/44, St. Mary's Co., MD. > 5. iv. BENJAMIN EDWARDS, b. Bef. 1718, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. > Bef. > 08 Feb 1761, St. Mary's Co., MD. > 6. v. ROBERT EDWARDS, b. Bef. 1718, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. 1770, > St. Mary's Co., MD. > > > Generation No. 2 > > 2. STOURTON2 EDWARDS (JOSEPH1) was born Bef. 1702 in St. Mary's Co., MD, > and died 1766 in St. Mary's Co., MD. He married BARBARA HAZEL Bet. 1738 - > 1742 in St. Mary's Co., MD, daughter of RICHARD HAZEL and ELIZABETH. She > was born Bef. 1718 in St. Mary's Co., MD, and died 1774 in St. Mary's Co., > MD. > > Children of STOURTON EDWARDS and BARBARA HAZEL are: > i. JANE3 EDWARDS, b. Bef. 1740, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. > 1774, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. JEREMIAH EDWARDS, Bef. 1755, St. Mary's Co., > MD; b. Bef. 1735, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1766, St. Mary's Co., MD. > ii. JOHN EDWARDS, b. Bef. 1741, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. 1763, > St. > Mary's Co., MD; m. HENRIETTA, Bef. 1761, St. Mary's Co., MD; b. Bef. 1746; > d. Aft. 1763, St. Mary's Co., MD. > iii. ANN "NANCY" EDWARDS, b. 1749, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. 14 > Feb > 1788, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. ZACHARIAH FORREST, 13 May 1766, St. Mary's > Co., > MD; b. 06 Nov 1742, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. 29 Jan 1817, St. Mary's Co., > MD. > iv. ELEANOR EDWARDS, b. Bef. 1751, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. > 1774, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. SAMUEL HAYES, Bef. 1766, St. Mary's Co., MD; > b. > Bef. 1728, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Bef. 1774, St. Mary's Co., MD. > > > 3. JOSEPH2 EDWARDS, JR. (JOSEPH1) was born Bef. 1703 in St. Mary's Co., > MD, > and died May 1746 in St. Mary's Co., MD. He married MARY Bef. 1724 in St. > Mary's Co., MD. She was born Bef. 1708, and died Bet. 1761 - 1762 in St. > Mary's Co., MD. > > Children of JOSEPH EDWARDS and MARY are: > i. JOSEPH3 EDWARDS III, b. Bef. 1724, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. > 1794, Halifax Co., NC; m. (1) SARAH SUITE, Bef. 1746, St. Mary's Co., MD; > b. > Bef. 1731, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Bef. 1767, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. (2) > MARY > ANN HIGGS, Bef. 1767; b. 1749, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1794, Halifax > Co., NC. > ii. ELIZABETH EDWARDS, b. Bef. 1730, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. > 1784, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. MEVERELL LOCKE, Bef. 1745, St. Mary's Co., > MD; > b. Bef. 1707, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. 1764, St. Mary's Co., MD. > iii. STOURTON EDWARDS, b. Bef. 1732, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. > Bet. > 1769 - 1770, St. Mary's Co., MD. > iv. JOHN EDWARDS, b. Bef. 1735, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. 1784, > St. > Mary's Co., MD; m. SARAH REEVES, Bef. 1755, St. Mary's Co., MD; b. Bef. > 1740, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1801, St. Mary's Co., MD. > v. BENJAMIN EDWARDS, b. Bef. 1737, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. > Aft. > 1806; m. MARY DENT, Bef. 1765, Charles Co., MD; b. 1737, Charles Co., MD; > d. > Aft. 1806. > vi. ELIZABETH EDWARDS, b. Bef. 1743, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. > Bef. > 28 Feb 1771, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. JOSEPH BURROUGHS, Bef. 1758, St. > Mary's > Co., MD; b. Bef. 1738, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Bef. 03 Oct 1765, St. Mary's > Co., MD. > vii. JOSIAS EDWARDS, b. Bef. 1746, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. 1774, > St. Mary's Co., MD. > > > 4. JOHN2 EDWARDS (JOSEPH1) was born Bef. 1715 in St. Mary's Co., MD, and > died Bef. 18 Feb 1743/44 in St. Mary's Co., MD. He married BARBARA HAZEL > Bef. 1736, daughter of RICHARD HAZEL and ELIZABETH. She was born Bef. > 1718 > in St. Mary's Co., MD, and died 1774 in St. Mary's Co., MD. > > Child of JOHN EDWARDS and BARBARA HAZEL is: > i. IGNATIUS3 EDWARDS, b. Bef. 1736, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. > Aft. > 1768; m. HARDING, Bef. 1766, St. Mary's Co., MD; b. Bef. 1750, St. Mary's > Co., MD. > > > 5. BENJAMIN2 EDWARDS (JOSEPH1) was born Bef. 1718 in St. Mary's Co., MD, > and died Bef. 08 Feb 1761 in St. Mary's Co., MD. > > Child of BENJAMIN EDWARDS is: > i. BENJAMIN3 EDWARDS, JR., b. Bef. 1743; d. Aft. 1763, St. > Mary's Co., MD. > > > 6. ROBERT2 EDWARDS (JOSEPH1) was born Bef. 1718 in St. Mary's Co., MD, > and > died 1770 in St. Mary's Co., MD. He married MARY BURROUGHS Bef. 1750. > She > was born Bef. 1735, and died Aft. 1771 in St. Mary's Co., MD. > > Children of ROBERT EDWARDS and MARY BURROUGHS are: > i. JESSE3 EDWARDS, b. Bef. 1750, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. > 1807, Charles Co., MD; m. MARY NEALE, 02 Dec 1801, St. Mary's Co., MD; b. > Bef. 1786; d. Aft. 1801. > ii. JOHN EDWARDS, b. Bef. 1750, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Bef. 02 > May 1791, Charles Co., MD; m. (1) ELIZABETH "BETSY" TURNER, Bef. 1775; b. > 07 > Nov 1748, Charles Co., MD; m. (2) SARAH "SALLY" TURNER, Bef. 1791; b. Bef. > 1764, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1800, Charles Co., MD. > iii. HEZEKIAH EDWARDS, b. Bef. 1755, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. > Bet. > 1830 - 1840, Union Co., KY. > iv. JOSEPH EDWARDS, b. 1763, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. 1851, Big > Beaver, Lawrence Co., PA; m. DEBORAH SOTHORON, 17 Dec 1806, St. Mary's > Co., > MD; b. 1781, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. 23 Feb 1867, North Beaver, Lawrence > Co., > PA. > > -----Original Message----- > From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Daniel B. Troublefield > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 1:35 AM > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MDSTMARY] Stourton Edwards witness to 1725 will of William Hulse > > Hello Linda & Everyone, > > I admire the work that you have all done on St. Mary's families. The > Edwards, my interest, are such a tangle. > > Linda wrote: > From: "Linda Reno" <lindareno@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] The Herberts > Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 > > "Will of William Hulse, SMC, 12/19/1725-3/2/1725-26. Sons: James and > William and their heirs, 120 ac. "Hulse's Lott" and 80 ac. bought of > Samuel > Swann equally. Shd. either die without issue, survivor to inherit portion > of dec'd; shd. both die, sd. tracts to revert to wife to be disposed of as > she thinks fit. Wife: Mary, extx. and residuary legatee. Wit: Lawrence > Lant, Richard Smoot, Stourton Edwards. (Maryland Calendar of Wills)." > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I have a couple of questions about the first Stourton Edwards: > > Was Stourton Edwards who died in 1766 actually the first Stourton Edwards > in > > SMC? Presumably Stourton Edwards died 1766 was a son of Joseph Edwards who > died in 1746. > > (My thanks to Linda Reno and the rest of you for your marvelous posts on > this list.) > > But was there an earlier Stourton Edwards who was a son of Joseph Edwards > who died in 1718? (Robert Stourton's widow Margery Stourton was an > approver > of Joseph's 1718 estate.) And was that earlier Stourton Edwards a witness > to > > Hulse's will in 1725? > > The Stourton Edwards who witnessed the 1725 will of William Hulse must > surely have been born by 1707 at the latest, right? And possibly several > years earlier? Birth in 1707 would make him age 18. Did a witness to a > will > have to be 21, the age of majority for males at the time? Age 21 would > make > him born about 1704. And what if the Stourton who witnessed the will in > 1725 > > was older than 21? > > Was Stourton Edwards died 1766 born that early? Would such an early birth > be > > consistent with him being the son of Joseph Edwards who died in 1746? I > don't know. Just asking. > > Is there a deposition that gives the age for Stourton who died in 1766? > > Did "St. Thomas" (land received under the will of Robert Stourton) pass > after 1766 to the heirs of Stourton Edwards who died in 1766? > > (I do not yet understand just how the debt books and rent rolls and land > records relate to St. Mary's probate records. If all are part of the > probate > > records (prerogative court records) or not? That is, how can one tell that > a > > particular land record relates to a particular decedent's estate (unless > they are part of the same set of records)? > > I defer to your greater experience with the original records in St. > Mary's. > I am still having trouble accessing records on the Maryland Archives' > website. My only luck has been with finding recorded wills on > FamilySearch. > > My primary questions are: (1) was Stourton Edwards who died in 1766 old > enough in 1725 to witness the Hulse will? Or (2) does the Hulse will > record > suggest there was an earlier Stourton Edwards? > > Regards, Dan