Peg - Thank you for your thoughtful and well researched note. Yes much of this I was aware of. Let me fill in a few gaps and clarify a few others thing which I hope will lead to other discoveries. First the Hillary in the 1840s tax lists I believe is a second Hillary - and the one I originally set out to find. In looking for him, I had to distinguish him from the Washington D.C. Hillary. The second Hillary (found in the Marion County tax rolls in the 1840s) was born abt 1818, son, I believe, of Robert Rhodes and his wife Elizabeth Cissell. I first thought him to be the son of Bennet but others have convinced me differently. The second and younger Hillary would have been born (if I am correct about the first one) about the same time as William and Mildred and their sons were visiting Kentucky. The second Hillary married Louisa Mattingly, daughter of Charles Fowler Mattingly and Hennie Miles and had at least nine children. Louisa died in Kentucky - This Hillary went on to join several of his sons in Illinois and died there. As for the original Hillary and his father William: I was aware of the Warner book and it was my joy and bane at the same time. William's wife may have been called Sally - but she goes by Anne in the legal records. Because of the red herring it took a long time to find her - and also because of the innumerable Joseph Semmes/Simmss. And then we found this little snippet: Georgetown Architecture-Northwest; Northwest Washington: District of Columbia by United States Commission of Fine Arts - Architecture - 1970 - 661 pages Page 418 DC-200 (Page 2) 1801-1850 HISTORICAL BACKGROUND In August, 1801 William Rhodes and his wife, Anne (sometimes spelled "Ann" in the documents), ... Working around with the google books snippets you can reveal this: "Georgetown University eventually acquired a home that had been owned by William and Ann Rhodes. "In Aug. 1801 William Rhodes and wife Ann to Edward Simms. Deed Aug. 27, Recorded Aug. 27, 1801. Liber G-7, folio 256 1830" Unfortunately the Georgetown University records reveal little more at this time. Because of the fire there a year or so ago, it may be sometime before more is found. Anne Rhodes is also mention in Edward Simms will in Jan 1804 as are curiously some Clark(e)s. Following that land backward we find that at some point Ann was first married to Thomas Clark(e) which produced this advertisement: Sale By order of the orphans Court, of Montgomery County, will be Sold, on the first Wednesday, in January next, at the house of Doct. James H. Blake, in Geo. Town, Sundry Articles of Household Furniture, consisting of Mahogany Chairs and Ta- bles, Looking Glasses &c. - Late the pro- perty of Mr. Thomas Clark deceased. Notes negociable at the Bank, with good en dorsers, payable in sixty days will be required. ANN CLARK, Adm'rx December 1st, 1796 (From the Centinel of Liberty 12 Dec 1796) About nine months later Ann is informing the creditors there is not enough to cover all of her late husband's debts. I have not been able to find their exact marriage date nor her exact death date. But because of the 1804 will of Edward Simms she is undoubtedly Hillary and William's mother. A couple of notes that I have show that when William left what became known as the Rhodes Tavern, he operated several other well known and larger inn's and taverns, and it is the sale of his property from one of those that you note in 1819. The Henry you mention is somewhat of a mystery to me but at present I can't find him tied into this bunch. Although I do not have Hillary's full military record I have been able to track quite a bit about him. He married in 1834 in Georgetown (Washington) Marion Steuart Carter, daughter of Charles Landon Carter of Ridgeville, and granddaughter of Landon Carter, Jr. - one of the Robert King Carter line and his wife Ann Steuart. His wife's maternal side includes one of the first mayors of Washington D.C. as well as a number of other military and naval "names". Hillary and his wife bought a house on the outskirts of Leesburg Virginia in 1840 but there is some evidence they may have been living in the area for quite some time on Carter land which was the subject of a lawsuit that developed into a major schism of the Carter family. His wife died in 1844 and is buried in Leesburg. Her death left him with four relatively small children, who were taken to St. Louis by the Carter family and raised there. The family was quite well known amongst the riverboaters of the era, was involved in the Dred Scott case and the settlement of the upper midwest. Hillary was one of those drummed from the Navy in 1855-1856 in its restructuring. He died on his way to St. Louis and is buried there. While he did have a tie with Norwich, school officials there tell me they do not have complete records as to exactly what his tie was. During his service career he served on such ships as the Constellation, Porpoise during its voyages of exploration, Lexington and Falmouth chasing slavers at the very time his wife's family was among the largest slave holders in the south. Hillary and William seem to tie the Rhodes family together well, particularly if we make the William born in Washington and died in Kentucky as the brother of Hillary... but it leaves the mystery of who are all those kids with Bennet and his wife? I wish I could claim credit for all this research, but there have been many who have helped - in particular Karen Fowler Caldwell with whom I have spent many late night hours pouring over newspapers, old records and other material. Had she not pointed out some land records and other documents to me - I would have never sorted out the two Hillarys let alone made any of these connections. Jackie MOman254@aol.com wrote: > > > > Jackie and List, > > > > Thank you for sharing your thinking and research on William, William > and Hillary Rhodes. > > > > I haven't found a relationship between the Fenwicks and Rhodes. On > page 134 in _At Peace With All their Neighbors: Catholics and > Catholicism in the National Capital, 1787-1860 _is the following: > > " Then, in the summer of 1797, after President Washington silenced all > arguments by declaring the government’s executive departments should > be next to or near the President’s House rather than the Capitol, > Bennett Fenwick quickly stepped into the picture. He bought the > corner lot next to Hoban and Purcell’s on 15^th and F, which, as > matters turned out, would be almost across the street from the > projected Hadfield-Harbaugh Treasury Building. Here Fenwick built > what was advertised as “a large and convenient three-story brick > house.” Two years later William Rhodes purchased the Little Hotel from > Hoban and Purcell and then bought or rented Fenwick’s adjoining brick > house in 1801 to make up what was known as the Rhodes Hotel (later > Tavern). Three or four years later Rhodes, who was soon to marry > Sally Semmes at St. Patrick’s, leased the hotel to Joseph Semmes of > Georgetown’s City Tavern while he went on the buy Lovell’s Hotel north > of the President’s Square, originally another Hoban and Purcell > property. Initially, all involved did very well. In the “city of > magnificent distances,” in the city whose streets, squares and lots > existed mainly on Ellicott’s map, they had chosen the right place. > Rhodes Tavern quickly became early Washington’s unofficial city hall. > And F Street east of the President’s House, as Hoban had forseen, > proved to be the center of the city’s first and most fashionable > “downtown” cluster." (William W. Warner, pub. Georgetown University > Press, 1994) > > > > The mention of Hadfield fits nicely with the suit of William Rhodes v. > George Hadfield (Circuit Court, District of Columbia, *May Term 1825; > *2 Cranch C.C. 566, 20 F.Cas. 653, 2 D.C. 566, No. 11,748 Case No. > 11,748, 2 Cranch, C. C. 566 [FN1] > <http://creditcard.westlaw.com/search/default.wl#FN;F0011#FN;F0011>) > that identifies his father as William and the widow as Mildred. > Presumably the defendant was George Hadfield, Architect to > superintend the construction of on the Capitol (obituary, 13 Feb 1826, > National Intelligencer). > > > > Could he be the same William Rhodes who was a defendant in the same > court May Term 1821 because the goods of William Rhodes (Sr.?) were > sold at auction in 1819. > > > > I am including the newspaper extracts in hopes if there are others > that you or the list will fill in the holes. > > > > 15 Aug 1803 Washington Federalist > > Subscribers to the National University and Monument to Washington > > William Rhodes, Washington > > > > 13 Jun 1804 Washington Federalist > > William H. Rhodes, Washington > > Hillery Rhodes, Washington > > Sc_eries Rhodes, Washington > > William Rhodes, Washington > > > > 30 Nov 1804 National Intelligencer > > Washington Tontine > > Persons desirous of an interest in the Institution, will please to > take Notice, that books will be opened at Rhodes’s Hotel in The City > of Washington, at 11 o’Clock on Saturday the 1^st day of December, for > receiving subscriptions of shares to the amount of 45,000 > Dollars.—Arrangement having been made at others for the residue of the > Stock. > > Ben Stoddert > > --November 20^th , 1804 > > > > [Notes: capital to be invested in land, tontine to be dissolved > January 1825; 4100 shares of $50 each, 1200 lots principally between > Georgetown and the City of Washington, the lots to be sold and the > proceeds to be invested, after 1807 interest of investments to be > divided semi-annually amongst stockholders (and/or to those on whose > lives the stock was fixed) proportionally. Who were the survivors?] > > > > 8 Jul 1805 National Intelligencer > > Subscriptions towards endowing a Permanent Institution for the > Education of Youth in the City of Washington, published for the > information of the electors Trustees by the Committee appointed to > collect subscriptions…Some subscribed > > William Rhodes $10 > > [Is this the same vellum investigated on History Detectives (PBS), > Season 5, 2007, Episode 3, Jefferson Pledge, Charlottesville, VA and > Washington D.C.?] > > > > 11 Jan 1806 Washington Federalist > > Washington City > > Indian King Tavern—The subscriber has rented that Large and Commodious > House formerly occupied by Mr. Wm. Rhodes, near the Treasury > Department, on F. Street. > > > > He respectfully informs his friends and the public in general, that he > will use his utmost endeavors to have at all times the best > Accommodations for Travellers and Boarders, by the Day, Week, Month > and Year, > > Joseph M. Semmes. > > November 13, 1805 > > [Note: Mary Ann Fenwick advertised this three-story house for rent] > > > > I forgot to include, but you probably already know that a Hillary was > on the Marion County tax list in 1842 and 1843 and that neither were > taxed on land. > > > > Do you have Hillary’s military records? Is he the same who applied > for admittance to West Point in 1818? What about Henry H. Rhodes of > Washington D.C. who attended Norwich Academy 1823-1825? Is he the > same one who married Harriet Plant 1 Feb 1848, Washington D.C.? > > > > The letter of Mother Rhodes poses some questions and answers others. > It reminds me of family letters and family oral history of my mother’s > grandmother. She was the granddaughter of Robert Rhodes who was the > grandson of Abraham. > > > > Mom always knew that Grandma was from Louisville, Kentucky. That’s > what is in her obituary. Maybe she was. She was baptized, though, at > Holy Cross in Marion County, Kentucky. She left Kentucky by the time > she was 4 years old, grew up in Kansas, got married in St. Louis and > lived the bulk of her life in Colorado. We spent a long time looking > for Grandma closer to Louisville. > > > > If it hadn’t been for a letter from Grandma’s Uncle John postmarked > Daviess County the pieces would have never fallen into place. Another > letter from Daviess County, dated 1863, is from Sarah Rhodes. In it > she mentions a Thelma Rhodes and Thelma’s family. Sarah is Grandma’s > cousin. Where she fits is a part of the puzzle we haven’t been able > to solve. Thelma is a complete mystery. She must have been > important, Grandma named her first daughter Thelma. > > > > As you say, you have been working on the Rhodes for a long time. > There is much more to them meets the eye. > > > > Anything you and the list are willing to share is greatly appreciate > and gratefully acknowledged. > > > > Peg > > > In a message dated 10/27/2008 9:05:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > jking71@gmail.com writes: > > Peg .... > > I have been working on William and Hillary for some time now as > well as > Hillary's brother William. There really is no doubt that Hillary > H. is > the son of William (son of Abraham) and that he had a sibling > William. > But let me answer some of your questions. > > If there was a relationship between Benedict Fenwick and William > Rhodes > it was probably through William's first wife and mother of Hillary > and > William, Ann Simms (widow of Thomas Clark). There are a number of > references to Hillary and his brother William being in Washington > after > Benedict Rhodes is settled in Kentucky. One would be the listing > of the > chldren on the Washington Tontine and also on the subscriptions > for the > Washington memorial and college. > > With the exception of the one reference to Hillary being "from > Kentucky" > all of his service records and his burial certificate list his > birth as > in either Washington D.C. or the District of Columbia. (Personally I > believe he was actually born in Georgetown and not Washington but > either > way D.C. would be correct). His burial certificate, lists his date of > birth as 12 Dec 1801. I think I can explain the Kentucky reference. > > From the evidence I have it would appear Hillary's father died > sometime > in 1818. If other trees are to be believed (I still can't locate the > paperwork) he probably died in Nelson County, KY, possibly > visiting his > relatives. His wife Mildred Burch Rhodes (second wife) was > probably with > him which would explain the Mildred Rhodes who appears on the consent > for marriage for Robert Rhodes in 1818. It is the only Mildred I can > come up with for that consent. > > The children were probably traveling with their parents - we know > from > another letter of Mother Mary Rhodes that Hillary had indeed visited > Kentucky several times. He was at the Norwich Academy (their records) > before enlisting May 1920 as a Midshipman with the U.S. Navy. It > is at > about the time he was sent to Norwich for schooling that the KY > reference is made and from what I can see it would appear to me > that his > step-mother may have still been in Kentucky. > > She went back to Washington to settle her late husband's estate, > (sale > in 1819) and we can find her there for a number of years signing > various > documents including her mother's request for a pension from her > father's > service in both the Revolution and the War of 1812. A lawsuit > shows that > in 1821 Mildred endorsed a check made out to her late husband's > estate > in lieu of her other step-son William who had been made the > executor of > the estate. That lawsuit is the last reference made to William who I > cannot find ever mentioned in Washington D.C. again. > > We also know from a letter from Mother Mary Rhodes that Hillary > was her > godson and he spent most of his time in Washington D.C. as she makes > reference to the fact that surely it has changed greatly since she > has > been there. > > The fact that William who most place as the son of Benedict makes > great > pains to list his Washington D.C. birth, which by the way would > coincide > with the time frame of Hillary's brother, on his tombstone has always > been of great conjecture. But most people have pointed to the priests > description and the later land division as proof. However, I > believe the > priest may have been using the generic term "children" when > describing > the children living with Benedict - and the land division certainly > leaves doubt. > > The deed of partition reads - > > "William Rhodes and wife died several years ago in the County of > Marion > and State of Kentucky said and possessed of a tract of land of two > hundred and fifty five acres situated on Hardin's Creek in Marion > Co., > Ky, the same that was inherited by them of Benedict Rhodes in the > year > 1859." > > It doesn't say inherited from his father, it only says the land > was left > to him by Benedict......but it does go on to make the relationship of > William and his wife Harriett to their children very clear .... > > "Whereas the said William Rhodes and wife at their death left the > following named children, his heirs at law (to wit) B. C. Rhodes, > F. L. > Rhodes, Ellen A. Rhodes, Mary C. Rhodes, wife of Dr. N. Leake, > Harriett > E. Rhodes, wife of Austin Howard, William T. Rhodes and Emily V. > Rhodes > which are all the children left by the deceased at their death." > > Given that in the tax rolls for much of that land, Hillary is first > located on it next to Benedict - and then you find William next to > Benedict but no Hillary- it lends further credence as to a > relationship. > In following Hillary's naval postings, the only time he is to be > found > in Kentucky is when he is on leave from the Navy or during the time > period when he would have been studying for his Lieutenant's exam. > (In > that time period I have discovered leaves of two to three years > were not > uncommon). > > The more documents I find, the more I am convinced that William who > finally ended up in Kentucky was the son of William Rhodes of > Washington > D.C. and his first wife and the nephew of Benedict Rhodes. I am > becoming > more and more convinced that at least some of the children > attributed to > Benedict in the censuses were relatives and not his own children > or if > they were, that most of his own children died young. > > This is probably even more confusing, but I hope it helps explain > some > of my thinking. > > Jackie > > MOman254@aol.com wrote: > > Jackie, > > > > Your question about Benedict's children is one that has bothered > me as > > well. None of the printed histories name his children. How > could it > > be that a man whose physical characteristics/demeanor are > remembered, > > who had the only two benches in the church - one for himself and > one > > for his family - and who had the only carriage in the county at one > > time, has not been memorialized? > > > > The 1810 Washington County, Kentucky census implies that he had > 2 sons > > and 2 daughters under the age of 10. > > > > A letter written by Mother Mary in 1851 requests that one of her > > little nieces, Benedicta, accompany her to from Calvary Convent to > > Loretto (Loretto Annals of the Century, Anna C. Minogue, 1912, p. > > 88). Rev. JJ Pike's History of St. Charles Church mentions > Bennett's > > grandchildren - namely W.L.T. Rhodes, Ellen Rhodes, and Victoria > > Rhodes - in conjunction with the ownership of the Rev. A. > Deparque house. > > > > These names seem to coincide with those of the deed of division > > mentioning William's children. > > > > Bennett and a William are listed next to each other, with only > one or > > two exceptions, on the Marion County Tax lists 1834-1849. In the > > latter year William is charged with 4 children 5-15. > > > > Have you considered Hillary H. as one of Benedict's children? I > > dismissed him at first with the 1850 census showing he was born in > > Virginia. However, Hillary Rhodes, midshipman on a journey of 3 > years > > on the U.S. Constellation was listed as being from Kentucky (26 Jul > > 1820, American). If he was born 1802, perhaps he is Benedict's > oldest > > son (or second son). > > > > Would you please share what you have on William of D.C. What is > his > > relationship to Mary Ann Fenwick (probably the widow of Benedict)? > > Family or Landlord? > > > > Peg > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/25/2008 11:17:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > lindareno@comcast.net writes: > > > > Jackie, > > > > Philip Medley, Jr. was b. 1781 and died in SMC on 8/11/1836 > > married Eleanor > > Neale, January 19, 1804. Eleanor Neale died in 1863 (she > had been > > married > > first to Benoni Neale, but her maiden name was Neale as well). > > > > They could have been the parents of Wilford. The will of Philip > > Medley > > below doesn't mention any sons, but he did have a son named > Charles. > > > > Will of Philip Medley, SMC, 8/3/1836-9/27/1836. Wife: Eleanora > > Medley, all > > of my personal estate during her life. Daughters: Ann Medley, > > Monica > > McNiell, Eleanora Medley, Mary Eliza Medley, and Martha Ann > > Medley, all of > > my personal estate after the death of my wife equally divided. > > Exec.: > > Wife, Eleanora Medley. Wit.: Leonard Neale, John F. McGerry, > > Charles > > Medley. (St. Mary's County, Maryland Wills 1836-1857 by > Linda Reno). > > > > Linda > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jackie King" <jking71@gmail.com> > > To: "Linda Reno" <lindareno@comcast.net> > > Cc: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 11:31 AM > > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Moving William Rhodes > > > > > > > Linda - > > > > > > I've always had him tentatively listed there but really > can find > > no reason > > > to put him as the their son - plus I have another problem with > > it, but > > > again I lack the definitive evidence. > > > > > > Wilford is said to have been born about 1809- 1810 based > on his > > census > > > records. (And the date of his first marriage in 1830 would > lend > > some > > > credence to that.) I have that John Phillip Medley was born > > about 1802 and > > > while that falls in the range of his siblings, it would > > certainly make > > > Wilford an improbable child.. The other thing tending to > make me > > believe > > > that Wilford probably belongs to one of the other Medleys > is the > > marriage > > > date of his purported grandparents in 1795. > > > > > > I haven't done as much work on this branch of the Medley > family > > as I > > > probably should have, but this generation has always > bothered me. > > > > > > As I have been working up the Rhodes line and documenting > them, > > I keep > > > finding problems with their associated lines. This is one > of them. > > > > > > Jackie > > > > > > Linda Reno wrote: > > >> Hi Jackie, > > >> > > >>> From what I see on Ancestry.com, it's claimed that Wilford > > Medley was > > >>> the > > >> son of Philip Medley, Jr. and Eleanor Neale. Does that agree > > with your > > >> records? The will of Philip Medley, Jr. doesn't mention > a son > > named > > >> Wilford. > > >> > > >> Linda Reno > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie King" > > <jking71@gmail.com> > > >> To: "Maryland St. Mary's" <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> > > >> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 11:11 AM > > >> Subject: [MDSTMARY] Moving William Rhodes > > >> > > >> > > >>> List - > > >>> > > >>> Over the years, a lot has been made of William Rhodes' claim > > to have > > >>> been born in Washington D.C. and its led many of us to > create > > a first > > >>> unknown wife for Bennett (Benedict) Rhodes to account > for the > > child > > >>> William. > > >>> > > >>> I've decided to delete the unknown wife and move William > to what I > > >>> believe for a number of reasons are his proper parents and > > that would be > > >>> William Rhodes of Washington D.C and Ann Simms, making > Bennett > > his > > >>> uncle. > > >>> > > >>> That leaves me with one problem - who ARE Benedict Rhodes > > children? I > > >>> can only prove one that survived childhood and that > would be Ann > > >>> Victoria who married Wilford Medley. I have read of another > > alleged > > >>> daughter - Nelly (probably Eleanor) who allegedly died > young. > > While > > >>> that is very probable given her mother's name of Eleanor - I > > can't prove > > >>> it. And according to the censuses there should be yet > another > > girl in > > >>> the family. > > >>> > > >>> There at one time should have also been at least another > > couple of male > > >>> children in the household. > > >>> > > >>> Did all of Bennet's children other than Ann die young or was > > he in the > > >>> habit of taking in the neighborhood and family waif's? > > >>> > > >>> I would appreciate any help with sorting Benedict's > family or > > extended > > >>> "family". > > >>> > > >>> Jackie > > >>> > > >>> ------------------------------- > > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >>> MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the > > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. 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