Know this has been probably discussed in the past but.. wondering if anyone knows of the Joseph Clarke ,son of Harriet Walker and her lst husband James Clarke. Genealogical Probate MD Rec. 1674-1774, (CD) p 9 "James Clark Nov. 14 1744 Sureties: Thomas Walker, Joseph Walker. Received from: William Evans, David Alfan Payments to: A George Haden, Leonard Alvie, Thomas Walker, John Booker, Sebastian Thompson, Mr. Wm Cartwright, Peter Gerrat, James Haydon, Michael Cusick, Robert Claland. Distributions to: Widow (unnamed, 1/3) .Residue to (orphans) : Joseph Clark, James Clark, Mary Ann Clark, Elizabeth Clark, Winerferd Clark, Henroetta Clark, Susanna Clark. Admin: Henneritta Howard, wife of Joseph Howard". Would appreciate anything anyone can suggest on the Joseph Clark son of James Clark and Harriett Walker. Thanks Mary Ann Shoemaker

I don't have an exact year of birth for Joseph Clarke but I do have him born prior to 1732 as he was listed as one of the NOK of his uncle, Joseph Walker in 1752. 11/10/1752: Admin. accts. of Joseph Walker, SMC. NOK: Joseph Clarke and Clement Stratford, Exec: Wife, Monica. I don't really have a good feel for the year of birth for Joseph Clarke, son of Matthew Clarke and Lydia Hazel. The records don't given us any indication of the ages of their children--whether they were adults or under age in 1783. 8/18/1783: Admin. accts. of Matthew Clarke by Lydia Clarke, Admx. Widow, 1/3. Children, equally: Ann, Robert, John, Elijah, Zachariah, Matthew, Joseph, Lydia, and Mary. (Balances and Distributions, Chr. of SM, Spring 1993). I have that Mary Thompson, daughter of Thomas Thompson and Mary Cole married Joshua Clarke. She may have been married first to a Bowles and was therefore a widow when she married Joshua Clarke. Joshua Clarke married Mary Bowles St. Francis Xavier RCC on September 16, 1772. Jerry, I have no record of a Joseph Clarke dying in 1798 with or without a wife named Mary. Was this in KY? Linda Reno Prerogative Court Abstracts, 1774-1777(Vol. 119-126) Joseph Clark 120 427 SM £32.7.10 Dec 12 1774 Aug 12 1775 Appraisers: Kenelmn M. Williams, Joshua Gibson Creditors: Clement Mattingly, Mathew Blair for C. F. & Co. Next of Kin: Thomas Thompson. Administratrix: Mary Clark. Prerogative Court Abstracts 1751-1756 Joseph Walker 53.36 SM £62.17.10 Nov 10 1752 Mar 8 1753 Appraisers: Thomas Graves, George Greaves. Creditors: Gilbert Ireland, ------Thompson Next of Kin: Joseph Clark, Clement Stratford Administratrix/Executrix: Monica Walker -----Original Message----- From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Ann Shoemaker Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:03 AM To: St Mary's co. web site Subject: [MDSTMARY] Clarke/ Howard Know this has been probably discussed in the past but.. wondering if anyone knows of the Joseph Clarke ,son of Harriet Walker and her lst husband James Clarke. Genealogical Probate MD Rec. 1674-1774, (CD) p 9 "James Clark Nov. 14 1744 Sureties: Thomas Walker, Joseph Walker. Received from: William Evans, David Alfan Payments to: A George Haden, Leonard Alvie, Thomas Walker, John Booker, Sebastian Thompson, Mr. Wm Cartwright, Peter Gerrat, James Haydon, Michael Cusick, Robert Claland. Distributions to: Widow (unnamed, 1/3) .Residue to (orphans) : Joseph Clark, James Clark, Mary Ann Clark, Elizabeth Clark, Winerferd Clark, Henroetta Clark, Susanna Clark. Admin: Henneritta Howard, wife of Joseph Howard". Would appreciate anything anyone can suggest on the Joseph Clark son of James Clark and Harriett Walker. Thanks Mary Ann Shoemaker ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Linda and Jerry, Thanks for the replies. "My" Joseph Clarke died, will 1797 Nelson Co. KY In the full accout of the ct rec of this will he calls "my" William Howard "his son-in-law". The following is my email to a lady who has placed Joseph Clark d 1797, as the son of James Clarke and Harriet Walker who m a Howard the 2nd time. Pardon the length of this. Maybe some of such will be of interest. In the past I worked on attempting to prove my Joseph Clark as the son of James Clark and Harriett Walker but ruled it out. Not sure why, thus my email... did I miss something? The email: "article Maryland Newspaper dated Thur Oct 25 1759 # 755 "Joseph Clarke, reported that a stray mare was at his plantation in Pr. Geo Co. Md near Piscataway. (Jclark info, email 24 May 200 "Joseph Clark") copy in MD Clarke file MD SEMMES AND KINDRED FAMILIES, Newman p 154 Thomas Edelen Green and Joseph Clark approved the valuation an the adm: Elizabeth Green filed paper Oct 21, 1777. estate of James Green Pr. George's Co. MD. Joseph and Joshua Clarke were on Grand jury duty in Upper Marlborough Town Pr. Geo Co. MD 26 Au 1777 Joseph Clark again listed for Nov 25 1777 same area. Oath of Allegiance 1778 Pr. Geo Co. in same list as son Henry A. Clark Pr Geo's Co. Deed Bk HH1 p 50, John Blandford of Fred Co. Md to Joseph Clarke of Pr. Geo's Co. tracks of "Brooks Chance" and "Timberland". 23 Nov. 1782. wife Eliz relinquishes dower right.* *Joseph Clarke wit: to will of Mary Jenkins 03/04/1785 ... 05/27/1786, Libra T, #1, p 235 Priscilla Boone dau Sarah Bowling dau.. Henry Boone other wit:. Mary Jenkins named her dau Piscilla Boone (wife of Henry?) John Bowling as son in law (is this the son of John Bowling, father of Thomas Bowling etc.) Alexis Boone grandson.* * Pr Geo's Co. Md Deed Bk HH 2, p 312 21 June 1788 Deed Joseph Clark to Henry Boone, Jr. all remainder of part of two tracts of land, "Brooks Chance" and "Timberland" containing 150 ac. Joseph Clarke signed his name and wife Mary, relinquishes Dower right. also the name is spelled with an "e". Will, Nelson Co Ky Will Bk A p 594 (cook, p 46) beloved wife Mary 1/3 of estate beloved son Henry A. Clark, ... beloved son James G. Clark...... beloved son Joseph Clark... beloved dau Elizabeth Blandford, .... beloved dau Ann Howard... beloved dau Mary A. Thornsbury.... to Rebecca Thalls.... to Mary E. Hagan.... to Selah Clark ......(granddaughter) Balance of estate to be equally divided between all children and grandchild. " James, Joseph, Elizabeth, Ann, Mary, Rebecca, Eliner and Selah."( Cecilia) Will Aug 6, 1796, pro 9 May 1797" (I have a full copy of this will from Nelson Co Ct. in which iJoseph gives that Wm Howard is his son-in-law) Selia (Cecilia) is grandchild. Nelson Co. bond book I, p 4 has Wm Howard as her guardian. Joseph Clark had another son who had died by 1797? the father of Selia (Cecilia) I can prove that this Joseph Clark in Pr. George's Co is the one who went to Nelson Co. will 1797. His son James married in Pr George's Co. 9 Feb 1781, Brown, Helen W., "Index of Marriage Licenses, Pr. Geo's Co., MD, 1777-1886, Clarke, James & Rachel Hagan 2-9-1781 Other sons are found in the late 1700s records of Pr. Geo's Co. MD. James Clark son of Joseph above died with will Nelson Co. KY Nelson Co. Will Bk 1, p 264 *wife Rachel, * names his children. The full court account of the will of both Joseph Clark and his son James Clarke list also the blacks that each had. Joseph had a *black, Harriet age 13 in 1811,* Joseph Clark had *black, Harriet age 6 weeks in 1797*. Thus proof connecting James to Joseph and to Pr. Geo's Co. MD, in addition to the name of Rachel as his wife. In attempting to find the other sons-in-laws of Joseph Clark (will 1797) I determined the following from the yearly tax lists. They all, including Wm Howard ,are found for the lst time on the 1797 yearly tax lists of Nelson Co. Also have the yearly tax list of Wash Co.KY and these are not found there. . 4 son-in-laws on tax list of Nelson Co. Ky for the lst time starting in 1797, No Joseph as he was probably living with Wm Howard and wife Anne Clarke Howard. Very elderly did not have to pay tax. the 4 sons-in law: Benjamin Thornberry, Wm Howard, Baptist Blandford, Aquilla Hagan What has baffled me is I do not find anything pertaining to Joseph Clark in MD post the selling of his land in 1788. Nor can I find any of the sons-in-laws or.. their marriages to the daughters of Joseph Clark. There are Joseph Clarks in Montgomery Co, Wash Co. but.. nothing to connect. Washington Co. MD 1790 census has: Clarke Joseph p 12 line 935 = 1 m over 16, 1 male under 16, 3 females Clarke Joseph p 13 line 1031 = 2 males over 16 , 0 under 16 and 1 female This could be Joseph Clarke and his son Joseph. No proof. No Blandford, Howard, Thralls or Thornberry.(sons-in-law)found in Washington Co. MD Wm Howard's wife is buried in St. Catherine's Cem, New Haven, KY Imagine that Wm Howard is also buried but no stone or record. Nelson Co., KY Cemeteries Vol. I, p 108 "Howard, Ann Cleark , age 83, died 10 Dec 1850, daughter of Joseph Claeark, wife of Wm. Howard" 1860 KY MORTALITY RECORDS,, Howard, Wm, # 487, age 89, (b 1771_ "article Maryland Newspaper dated Thur Oct 25 1759 # 755 "Joseph Clarke, reported that a stray mare was at his plantation in Pr. Geo Co. Md near Piscataway. (Jclark info, email 24 May 200 "Joseph Clark") copy in MD Clarke file MD SEMMES AND KINDRED FAMILIES, Newman p 154 Thomas Edelen Green and Joseph Clark approved the valuation an the adm: Elizabeth Green filed paper Oct 21, 1777. estate of James Green Pr. George's Co. MD. Joseph and Joshua Clarke were on Grand jury duty in Upper Marlborough Town Pr. Geo Co. MD 26 Au 1777 Joseph Clark again listed for Nov 25 1777 same area. Oath of Allegiance 1778 Pr. Geo Co. in same list as son Henry A. Clark Pr Geo's Co. Deed Bk HH1 p 50, John Blandford of Fred Co. Md to Joseph Clarke of Pr. Geo's Co. tracks of "Brooks Chance" and "Timberland". 23 Nov. 1782. wife Eliz relinquishes dower right.* *Joseph Clarke wit: to will of Mary Jenkins 03/04/1785 ... 05/27/1786, Libra T, #1, p 235 Priscilla Boone dau Sarah Bowling dau.. Henry Boone other wit:. Mary Jenkins named her dau Piscilla Boone (wife of Henry?) John Bowling as son in law (is this the son of John Bowling, father of Thomas Bowling etc.) Alexis Boone grandson.* * Pr Geo's Co. Md Deed Bk HH 2, p 312 21 June 1788 Deed Joseph Clark to Henry Boone, Jr. all remainder of part of two tracts of land, "Brooks Chance" and "Timberland" containing 150 ac. Joseph Clarke signed his name and wife Mary, relinquishes Dower right. also the name is spelled with an "e". Will, Nelson Co Ky Will Bk A p 594 (cook, p 46) beloved wife Mary 1/3 of estate beloved son Henry A. Clark, ... beloved son James G. Clark...... beloved son Joseph Clark... beloved dau Elizabeth Blandford, .... beloved dau Ann Howard... beloved dau Mary A. Thornsbury.... to Rebecca Thalls.... to Mary E. Hagan.... to Selah Clark ......(granddaughter) Balance of estate to be equally divided between all children and grandchild. " James, Joseph, Elizabeth, Ann, Mary, Rebecca, Eliner and Selah." Will Aug 6, 1796, pro 9 May 1797" (I have a full copy of this will from Nelson Co Ct. in which it states that Wm Howard is is son-in-law) Selia is grandchild. Nelson Co. bond book I, p 4 has Wm Howard as her guardian. Joseph Clark had another son who had died by 1797? the father of Selia (Cecilia) I can prove this Joseph Clark in Pr. George's Co is the one who went to Nelson Co. will 1797. His son James married in Pr George's Co. 9 Feb 1781, Brown, Helen W., "Index of Marriage Licenses, Pr. Geo's Co., MD, 1777-1886, "Clarke, James & Rachel Hagan 2-9-1781" Other sons are found in the late 1700s records of Pr. Geo's Co. MD. James Clark son of Joseph above died with will Nelson Co. KY Nelson Co. Will Bk 1, p 264 *wife Rachel, * names his children. The full court account of the will of both Joseph Clark and his son James Clarke lists also the blacks that each had. Joseph had a *black Harriet age 13 in 1811,* Joseph Clark had *black, Harriet age 6 weeks in 1797*. Thus proof connecting James to Joseph and to Pr. Geo's Co. MD. .. In attempting to find the other sons-in-laws of Joseph Clark (will 1797) I determined the following from the yearly tax lists. They all, including Wm Howard ,are found for the lst time on the tax lists of Nelson Co in 1797l Also have the yearly tax list of Wash Co. and these are not found there. 4 son-in-laws on tax list of Nelson Co. Ky for the lst time starting in 1797, Benjamin Thornberry, Wm Howard, Baptist Blandford, Aquilla Hagan No Joseph as he was probably living with Wm Howard and wife Anne Clarke Howard. Very elderly did not have to pay tax. What has baffled me is I do not find anything pertaining to Joseph Clark in MD post the selling of his land in 1788. Nor can I find any of the sons-in-laws or.. their marriages to the daughters of Joseph Clark. There are Joseph Clarks in Montgomery Co, Wash Co. but.. nothing to connect. Washington Co. MD 1790 census has: Clarke Joseph p 12 line 935 = 1 m over 16, 1 male under 16, 3 females Clarke Joseph p 13 line 1031 = 2 males over 16 , 0 under 16 and 1 female This could be Joseph Clarke and his son Joseph. No proof. No Blandford, Howard, Thralls or Thornberry.(sons-in-law) in Washington Co. MD that I have found. Whither this is the correct Joseph Clarke with his son Joseph I cannot prove. Wm Howard's wife is buried in St. Catherine's Cem, New Haven Nelson Co., KY Imagine that Wm Howard is also buried but no stone or record. Nelson Co., KY Cemeteries Vol. I, p 108 "Howard, Ann Cleark , age 83, daughter of Joseph Claeark, wife of Wm. Howard" 1860 KY MORTALITY RECORDS,, Howard, Wm, # 487, age 89, b 1771 ) DEATHS PRIOR TO 1911 NELSON CO. KY, p 311 William Howard, 89 yrs, white male, widowed, b MD, d Nov 1859, farmer, old age ill 75 days b MD, d Nov, (1859) farmer, Nelson Co KY. DEATHS PRIOR TO 1911 NELSON CO. KY, p 311 William Howard, 89 yrs, white male, widowed, b MD, d Nov 1859, farmer, old age ill 75 days b MD, d Nov, (1859) farmer, Nelson Co KY." _end of email_. From the accounts of the Prerogative Ct Abstracts sent pertaining to Joseph Clark's estate ( died in 1774), A Thomas Thompson is listed as next of kin also the Abstracts pertaining to Joseph Walker, 1753 lists next of kin as Joseph Clark, Clement Stratford. These tend to "say" that my Joseph Clark d 1797 KY was not the son of James Clark and Harriett Walker. Or. am I missing something?. Appreciate any comments, questions or?? Thanks again Mary Ann Shoemaker Jerry L. Clark wrote: > I don't have an exact year of birth for Joseph Clarke but I do have him born > prior to 1732 as he was listed as one of the NOK of his uncle, Joseph Walker > in 1752. > > 11/10/1752: Admin. accts. of Joseph Walker, SMC. NOK: Joseph Clarke and > Clement Stratford, Exec: Wife, Monica. > > I don't really have a good feel for the year of birth for Joseph Clarke, son > of Matthew Clarke and Lydia Hazel. The records don't given us any > indication of the ages of their children--whether they were adults or under > age in 1783. > > 8/18/1783: Admin. accts. of Matthew Clarke by Lydia Clarke, Admx. Widow, > 1/3. Children, equally: Ann, Robert, John, Elijah, Zachariah, Matthew, > Joseph, Lydia, and Mary. (Balances and Distributions, Chr. of SM, Spring > 1993). > > I have that Mary Thompson, daughter of Thomas Thompson and Mary Cole married > Joshua Clarke. She may have been married first to a Bowles and was > therefore a widow when she married Joshua Clarke. Joshua Clarke married > Mary Bowles St. Francis Xavier RCC on September 16, 1772. > > Jerry, I have no record of a Joseph Clarke dying in 1798 with or without a > wife named Mary. Was this in KY? > > Linda Reno > > Prerogative Court Abstracts, 1774-1777(Vol. 119-126) > > Joseph Clark 120 427 SM £32.7.10 Dec 12 1774 Aug 12 1775 > Appraisers: Kenelmn M. Williams, Joshua Gibson > Creditors: Clement Mattingly, Mathew Blair for C. F. & Co. > Next of Kin: Thomas Thompson. > Administratrix: Mary Clark. > > > Prerogative Court Abstracts 1751-1756 > Joseph Walker 53.36 SM £62.17.10 Nov 10 1752 Mar 8 1753 > Appraisers: Thomas Graves, George Greaves. > Creditors: Gilbert Ireland, ------Thompson > Next of Kin: Joseph Clark, Clement Stratford > Administratrix/Executrix: Monica Walker > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Mary Ann Shoemaker > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:03 AM > To: St Mary's co. web site > Subject: [MDSTMARY] Clarke/ Howard > > Know this has been probably discussed in the past but.. wondering if > anyone knows of the Joseph Clarke ,son of Harriet Walker and her lst > husband James Clarke. > Genealogical Probate MD Rec. 1674-1774, (CD) p 9 > "James Clark Nov. 14 1744 > Sureties: Thomas Walker, Joseph Walker. > Received from: William Evans, David Alfan > Payments to: A George Haden, Leonard Alvie, Thomas Walker, John > Booker, Sebastian Thompson, Mr. Wm > Cartwright, Peter Gerrat, James Haydon, Michael Cusick, Robert Claland. > Distributions to: Widow (unnamed, 1/3) .Residue to (orphans) : > Joseph Clark, James Clark, Mary Ann Clark, Elizabeth Clark, > Winerferd Clark, Henroetta Clark, Susanna Clark. > Admin: Henneritta Howard, wife of Joseph Howard". > > Would appreciate anything anyone can suggest on the Joseph Clark son of > James Clark and Harriett Walker. > Thanks > Mary Ann Shoemaker > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

First, James Clark's wife was Henrietta as given in the probate docs of her father, Thomas Walker (1690-1827) and husband, James Clark (1708-1743). (By then, they had dropped the "e" in the docs.) I have Joseph's first wife as Elizabeth Hayden, d/o William Hayden (1673-1734) and Elizabeth Thompson (1685-1761). His second wife was Mary, as listed in his inventory abstract. I'm sorry, but this is all I have on him. Abstracts of the Inventories Of The Prerogative Court Of Maryland 1774-1777 (From Volumes 119 Through 126) V. L. Skinner, Jr., Family Line Publications, 1988. p. 26 Joseph Clark 120.427 SM £32.7.10 Dec 12 1774 Aug 12 1775 Appraisers: Kenelmn M. Williams, Joshua Gibson. Creditors: Clement Mattingly, Mathew Blair for C. F. & Co. Next of kin: Thomas Thompson. Administratrix: Mary Clark. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ann Shoemaker" <maryshoe@cox.net> To: "St Mary's co. web site" <MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:03 AM Subject: [MDSTMARY] Clarke/ Howard > Know this has been probably discussed in the past but.. wondering if > anyone knows of the Joseph Clarke ,son of Harriet Walker and her lst > husband James Clarke. > Genealogical Probate MD Rec. 1674-1774, (CD) p 9 > "James Clark Nov. 14 1744 > Sureties: Thomas Walker, Joseph Walker. > Received from: William Evans, David Alfan > Payments to: A George Haden, Leonard Alvie, Thomas Walker, John > Booker, Sebastian Thompson, Mr. Wm > Cartwright, Peter Gerrat, James Haydon, Michael Cusick, Robert Claland. > Distributions to: Widow (unnamed, 1/3) .Residue to (orphans) : > Joseph Clark, James Clark, Mary Ann Clark, Elizabeth Clark, > Winerferd Clark, Henroetta Clark, Susanna Clark. > Admin: Henneritta Howard, wife of Joseph Howard". > > Would appreciate anything anyone can suggest on the Joseph Clark son of > James Clark and Harriett Walker. > Thanks > Mary Ann Shoemaker > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Norma, Thanks for the email and comments. This Preregative Ct record pertaining to Joseph Clark 1774 rules out I would think my Joseph Clark etc. Thanks again Mary Ann Norma Lundgren wrote: > First, James Clark's wife was Henrietta as given in the probate docs of her > father, Thomas Walker (1690-1827) and husband, James Clark (1708-1743). (By > then, they had dropped the "e" in the docs.) > > I have Joseph's first wife as Elizabeth Hayden, d/o William Hayden > (1673-1734) and Elizabeth Thompson (1685-1761). His second wife was Mary, as > listed in his inventory abstract. > > I'm sorry, but this is all I have on him. > > Abstracts of the Inventories Of The Prerogative Court Of Maryland 1774-1777 > (From Volumes 119 Through 126) V. L. Skinner, Jr., Family Line Publications, > 1988. p. 26 > Joseph Clark 120.427 SM £32.7.10 Dec 12 1774 Aug 12 1775 > Appraisers: Kenelmn M. Williams, Joshua Gibson. > Creditors: Clement Mattingly, Mathew Blair for C. F. & Co. > Next of kin: Thomas Thompson. > Administratrix: Mary Clark. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Ann Shoemaker" <maryshoe@cox.net> > To: "St Mary's co. web site" <MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:03 AM > Subject: [MDSTMARY] Clarke/ Howard > > > >> Know this has been probably discussed in the past but.. wondering if >> anyone knows of the Joseph Clarke ,son of Harriet Walker and her lst >> husband James Clarke. >> Genealogical Probate MD Rec. 1674-1774, (CD) p 9 >> "James Clark Nov. 14 1744 >> Sureties: Thomas Walker, Joseph Walker. >> Received from: William Evans, David Alfan >> Payments to: A George Haden, Leonard Alvie, Thomas Walker, John >> Booker, Sebastian Thompson, Mr. Wm >> Cartwright, Peter Gerrat, James Haydon, Michael Cusick, Robert Claland. >> Distributions to: Widow (unnamed, 1/3) .Residue to (orphans) : >> Joseph Clark, James Clark, Mary Ann Clark, Elizabeth Clark, >> Winerferd Clark, Henroetta Clark, Susanna Clark. >> Admin: Henneritta Howard, wife of Joseph Howard". >> >> Would appreciate anything anyone can suggest on the Joseph Clark son of >> James Clark and Harriett Walker. >> Thanks >> Mary Ann Shoemaker >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >