Thank you for your thoughts. I have been trying for years to find documentation showing the connection with the Lee/Clarke line. I am aware that Dorothy Cissell's was a Leigh. It becomes more complex when my great grandmother told her children and grandchildren that " her mother when visiting her Lee cousins, would attend school at Arlington House with her cousins", or when My great-grandmother and her sisters told their familes they were RE Lee's 4th cousin. We also have been shown the grave site at Arlington Cemetery by my great grandmother and one of her daughters where Alice Lee Clarke was buried while she was visiting her Lee cousins. There are just to many told stories for them all to be false. I do not believe these are fallacies, but truth. It does bother me that you would say that someone just read a book on the Lee family and that is where we got the Lee name. I am aware of the Lee history/Blenheim, and have researched that extensively as well as the facts according to the Lee Society that Alice Lee and Thomas Clarke did have a daughter named Alice Lee Clarke. We continue to look for documentation supporting this family connection. Therese DeSanto In a message dated 2/7/2009 12:40:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lindareno@comcast.net writes: This is what I think and not what I know. You have a little bit of fact and you have a little bit of fallacy. Remember that when this research was done by older family members when there wasn't that much information readily available. Also, the memory can certainly trick you. For instance, you state they said that "The written notes from the 1920's say that John Clarke's father John Roger Clarke Sr. and was married to Alice Lee Clarke, daughter of Thomas Clarke and Alice Lee (Lee Family)." I think that somebody read a genealogy of the Lee family and decided this must be their person. Alice Lee, daughter of Philip Lee and Letitia Corbin did marry a man named Thomas Clark, but these folks were nowhere near St. Mary's County--as close as they got was "Blenheim" in Charles County. Whoever this Thomas Clark was, he was dead by 1760 when Alice married second, Meriwether Smith of Essex Co., VA and there's no indication that Alice had any children by Thomas Clark. Remember that Dorothy Cissell's mother was Dorothy Leigh (sounds like Lee, but not the same). Then we have the name John Roger Clarke. I have never found this man with a middle name. I have seen his name as John Clarke, Jr. but that doesn't mean he was the son of John--he could have been a younger John Clarke living in the same neighborhood and was called Jr. to keep the two separate in the minds of their neighbors. It's up to you now to separate the fact from the fiction and you can only do that with documentation. Linda Reno ----- Original Message ----- From: <OurFamilyLegacy@aol.com> To: <MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] John (John Roger?) Clark, St. Mary's Co, MD > > > > I have been researching John (Rogers) Clarke who was married to Dorothy > Cissell for over 28 years. Dorothy Cissell and John Clarke are my > grandmothers > great-grandparents, their daughter was Maria Ellen Lee Clarke Davis, who > was > my grandmothers grandmother. > > My grandmother is still alive at a soon to be 95 in March and continues to > tell the same story. The dilemma I find is huge! Research by others > does > not support my research. My great-grandmother lived to be 100 and died > in 1972 > and passed on who were related too often to her children. She was > independent and lived on her own until she died. My grandmother says the > same as her > oldest sister. Her sister (born in 1895) wrote down our family history > from > her mother in the 1920's which states this: > > John Roger Clarke Jr. was born 1789 in either St. Mary’s Co. or Charles > Co., Maryland and died in 1843. He married Dorothy Cissell on October 16, > 1813. > I have always believed his father was John Roger Clarke Sr. and Ignatius > was > the John Sr. father. > > The written notes from the 1920's say that John Clarke's father John > Roger > Clarke Sr. and was married to Alice Lee Clarke, daughter of Thomas Clarke > and > Alice Lee (Lee Family) I have some research that suggest that Ignatius > Clarke > m. Ann Fenwick and then Francis, and John Sr's father was Ignatius who's > father was Thomas Clarke. These notes were written by my grandmothers > oldest > sister as told to her by their mother. > > I do not know where Rogers came from except it is in all family papers, > passed down since the early 1920's. In the late 1970's-early 1980's my > grandmother's niece hired a genealogist in St. Mary's to research the > John Roger > Clarke mystery with no luck. I remember seeing a recorded history in the > early > 1980's in the files at the DAR, but I have been many times over the past > several years, and it is no longer in the files. > > I find it very hard to not believe the history since it was given in the > early 1900's and told over and over through the years. I honestly believe > my > great-grandmother, but don't understand how we can't find anything to > support > it. > > I am planning a trip to St. Mary's to try to research more about this. > I > usually bring my grandmother and mom and we stay at Woodlawn at Ridge, > but I > am planning a trip by myself since it would be easier for me to move > quickly > and probably get a lot more research done. > > Please let me know if you find any additional information. > > Therese DeSanto > Va Beach > > > > > > In a message dated 2/5/2009 11:53:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > gc-gateway@rootsweb.com writes: > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: franec77 > Surnames: Clark, Cissell (Cecil) > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.stm > arys/4401/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Trying to pinpoint the parents of John Clark, born c. 1781, who was > married > to Dorothy Cecil (Cissell) abt 1813. > > If this John Clark's father is Ignatius, which one? > > > Thanks! > > Fran > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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