Girls old enough to work were usually off working at someone else's home. Boys tended to be farmers so they help their father. What are the age groups for the boys? Charles Medcalf was born 1810, don't know when George MEDCALF was born, have not found him on Census. To be sure we get the correct one we need to check 1830 and 1840 Census to determine his age. Supposedly his wife Mary Abell born 1 Jan 1795 , Nelson, Kentucky which makes me believe George MEDCALF probably born between 1790-1795, We know George was alive in 1837 because he was the Executor of his fathers will which only mention George Medcalf by name as son of John Kenelem MEDCALF, all other children already provided for. Eliza Medcalf was dead prior to her fathers will of 1837. Don't know age of Nancy likely born before 1800 since she married in 1818, Eliza Medcalf likely born abt 1800-1805, because her husband was born 1800. -----Original Message----- From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Lee Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:15 AM To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] John Kenelem MEDCALF 1810 Census Bardstown, Nelson Co., KY Head of House John K. Medcalf Males under 10= 2, 10-15 = 2, 16-25 = 1, over 45 = 1 Females 10-15 = 1, over 45 = 1. 5 boys & 1 girl (Nancy who 1818?) Sarah married 1805, so not here. Where was Eliza who married 1823? Too many girls marrying that don't match census records. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry L. Clark" <jerry876@comcast.net> To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:13 AM Subject: [MDSTMARY] John Kenelem MEDCALF > These are the 5 Children of John Kenelem MEDCALF who have been identified: > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1801-1816, NCGR > Felix Wimsatt & Sarah Medcalf > Bond: 1 Jan 1805 M: 8 Jan 1805 > Ignatius Medcalf signed bond > Consent filed with bond: John K & Winnifred Medcalf, Parents of Sarah > Ignatius & Eleanor Wimsatt, parents of Felix > Married by S T Badin, marriage register > > > > > > 1850 Nelson Co., KY Census - 329-330 > > > > 2 782 782 Winsett Felix 72 M Farmer > > > 1,500 Md. > > 3 782 782 Winsett Sarah 68 F > > > Md. > > 4 782 782 Winsett W. 50 M Farmer > > > > > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1833-1848 (NCGR) > George Medcalf & Mary Abell > Bond: 4 May 1835 M: May 1835 > William King signed bond > Katherine Abell, mother of Mary, filed consent w/bond > W: William King, Nancy King > Married by W S Coomes, minister return > > > > > > Notice his sister and her husband sign as witnesses. > > > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1817-1832, NCGR > William King & Nancy Medcalf > Bond: 15 Oct 1818 M: 16 Oct 1818 > Philip Read signed bond > William, s/o Jacob King > Nancy, d/o John K Medcalf > Married by Joshua Morris, minister return > > > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriage, Bond & Consent, 1817-1832 > Jacob Thralls & Eliza Medcalf > Bond: 27 Apr 1823 > John K Medcalf father of Eliza > signed bond and consent in person > > > > > > > > Charles MEDCALF who married Sarah Jane CARRICO 24 Dec 1834 , Hardin, > Kentucky > > > > > > I hope Bob Alvey doesn't mind me sharing a recent letter from him to me > concerning the Charles MEDCALF born 1810 who married Sarah Jane CARRICO > > > > > > > > Linda Reno, > > > > Bob ALVEY has just found the death record of Charles MEDCALF who married > Sarah Jane CARRICO. This Charles MEDCALF born 1810 so his mother was 47 > years old when he was born. See my comments to Bob Alvey below. > > > > This Charles Medcalf born 1810 another son of John Kenelem MEDCALF and > Winifred PAYNE > > > > _____ > > From: Jerry L. Clark [mailto:jerry876@comcast.net] > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 1:58 PM > To: 'Robert L Alvey' > Cc: 'BettyY5919@aol.com'; 'EPERRY4616@aol.com' > Subject: RE: Charles Medcalf & Sarah Jane Carrico > > > > Well this is a surprise, I thought that when I saw proof that George > MEDCALF > who married Mary ABELL was a son of John Kenelem MEDCALF and Winifred > PAYNE > an he was signing as Bondsman for James Carrico the father of Sarah Jane > CARRICO who married Charles MEDCALF that it appeared to me that it was > likely George Medcalf and Mary Abell might be Charles Medcalf's Parents, > but > now it appears George MEDCALF was his brother. > > > > > > This is a very large span of years John Kenelem MEDCALF and Wife Winifred > PAYNE were having children Sarah MEDCALF born 1782 married Felix Wimsatt > and > Now Charles MEDCALF born abt 1810. We must be missing a lot more children > of > John Kenelem MEDCALF. That's at least a 28 year span of children. > > > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1833-1848 (NCGR) > George Medcalf & Mary Abell > Bond: 4 May 1835 M: May 1835 > William King signed bond > Katherine Abell, mother of Mary, filed consent w/bond > W: William King, Nancy King > Married by W S Coomes, minister return > > > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages, NCGR > > James Carrico & Mrs Henrietta Peak > > Bond: 21 Apr 1828 > > George Medcalf signed bond > > Henrietta, widow of Edward Peak > > > > > > > > > > Nelson Co Marriages, NCGR > Andrew Watson & Mrs Margaret Brown > Bond: 23 Apr 1806 M: 29 Apr 1806 > George Medcalf signed bond > Margaret, widow of Andrew Brown > Married by William Taylor, minister return > > > > _____ > > From: Robert L Alvey [mailto:bobalvey@juno.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:53 PM > To: jerry876@comcast.net > Subject: Charles Medcalf & Sarah Jane Carrico > > > > Jerry, > > > > Found a bit more this morning. > > > > Bob Alvey > > > > Charles Medcalf died April 28, 1853 in Ohio Co, KY, see below . Have not > found a burial location but looks like John Kenelm Medcalf is his father > and > Winifred (Payne? see below) is his mother and he was born in Nelson Co, KY > > > > Kentucky Death Records, 1852-1953 (Ancestry.com) > Name: Charles Metcalf > Death Date: 28 Apr 1853 > Death Location: Ohio > Residence Location: Ohio > Age: 43 > Gender: Male > Birth Date: abt 1810 > Birth Location: Nelson > Father's Name: K Nett Metcalf > Mother's Name: Wimped Metcalf > > > On the 1860 Ohio Co, KY census, several of Charels and Sarah Jane Carrico > Medcalf's children are living with their sister Mary Ann Gillespie who > married Stephen A Gillespie, a widow in Ohio Co, KY on > > June 26, 1854 per Ohio Co, Marriages Mary Ann Medcalf is the one listed > in > St Clare Baptismal recrods as the daughter of Charles Medcalf and Mary Ann > Medcalf, an obvious error as to the mother. > > > > Baptisms at St Clare Church, Colesburg, Hardin Co, KY (I have this book) > Pg6 Mary Ann Medcalf, dau of Charels & Mary Ann Medcalf, born Jan 23, > 1836, > sponser Rosanna Medcalf, bapt Sept 1836 > > > > Kentucky Death Records, 1852-1953 (Ancestry.com) > about Mary Ann Gillespie > Name: Mary Ann Gillespie > [Mary Ann Medcalf] > Death Date: 19 Jun 1914 > Death Location: Ohio > Residence Location: Ohio > Age: 78 > Gender: Female > Ethnicity: White > Birth Date: 25 Jan 1836 > Birth Location: Meade, Kentucky > Father's Name: Charlie Medcalf > Mother's Name: Sallie Caricor > Burial John Haynes Cemetery, Reynolds Station, Ohio Co, KY (sometimes > referred to as the Lewis Owen Cemetery) > > Her husband Dr Stephen A Gillespie is buried with his frist wife, Anna > Crow in Midkiff Cemetery in Ohio Co, KY > > > > Jerry, I have the following in my notes, not sure if they are from you or > Linda Reno, it was years ago and I often neglected to source some of notes > in those days, the only place where I have seen Winifred listed as > Winifred > Payne. > > > > p.126 Medcalf, John K 1-27-1835 Sept 11, 1837 > > > > Bequeaths estate to wife Wineford Medcalf, at her death to son George > Medcalf and his heirs forever (all my other children being previously > provided for." Executor; George Medcalf. Witness; James Ball Senior. James > Ball Jr. Book H, p.230 > > > > James BALL Sr. married Rachel CULVER, he was the son of James BALL who > married Margaret BRAY daughter of Henry BRAY and Catherine ? > > > > Margaret BRAY (BALL) was a sister to my ancestor Abraham BRAY who married > Eleanor "Nelly" Baptist HOWARD daughter of John Baptist HOWARD and > Elizabeth JOHNSON > > > > There is a very strong connection of John Kenelem MEDCALF to Jacob KING > who > married Ann ABELL daughter of George ABELL and Elizabeth CRAWFORD > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1785-1800 > Jacob King & Ann Abell > Bond: 22 Mar 1797 > George Abell, father of Ann, signed bond and gave consent in person > > > > Jacob KING and Ann ABELL had the following children: > 1. William KING married Nancy MEDCALF daughter of John Kenelem MEDCALF > and > Winifred PAYNE > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1817-1832, NCGR > William King & Nancy Medcalf > Bond: 15 Oct 1818 M: 16 Oct 1818 > Philip Read signed bond > William, s/o Jacob King > Nancy, d/o John K Medcalf > Married by Joshua Morris, minister return > > > > 2. James B. KING born 20 Feb 1797 married Margaret BALL born 4 Feb 1802 , > Nelson, Kentucky daughter of James BALL Sr. and Rachel CULVER > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages, NCGR > James King & Margaret Ball > Bond: 7 Oct 1820 M: 12 Oct 1820 > James Ball, father of Margaret > signed bond and consent in person > Married by Joshua Morris, minister return > > > > 3.Francis KING married Nancy BALL daughter of James BALL Sr. and Rachel > CULVER > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages, NCGR > Francis King & Nancy Ball > Bond: 3 Oct 1831 > James Ball, father of Nancy > signed bond and consent in person > > > > 4. George KING > 5. Ann KING > 6. Elizabeth KING married William BALL son of James BALL Sr. and Rachel > CULVER > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages, NCGR > William Ball & Elizabeth King > Bond: 21 Feb 1825 M: 22 Feb 1825 > James King signed bond > Jacob King, father of Elizabeth, consent w/bond > W: James Ball, James King > James Ball, father of William, consent w/bond > W: George King, James King > Married by Isaac Taylor, minister return > > Descendants of Charles Medcalf > > 1 Charles Medcalf b: 1810 in Nelson Co, KY d: April 28, 1853 in Ohio Co, > KY > > .. +Sarah Jane Carrico b: 1810 in KY m: December 24, 1834 in Hardin Co, KY > d: Aft. April 28, 1853 Father: James M Carrico III Mother: Theresa Hagan > > ... 2 Mary Ann Medcalf b: January 23, 1836 in Hardin Co, KY d: June 19, > 1914 > in Ohio Co, KY Burial: June 20, 1914 John Haynes Cemetery, Reynolds > Station, > KY > > ....... +Stephen A Gillispie b: August 03, 1822 in KY m: June 26, 1854 in > Ohio Co, KY d: March 05, 1900 in Ohio Co, KY Burial: Midkiff Cemetery, > Ohio > Co, KY > > ... 2 Elizabeth Medcalf b: 1838 in KY > > ....... +John Crow, Jr m: December 01, 1858 in Ohio Co, KY > > ... 2 Ann Elizabeth "Nancy" Medcalf b: 1840 in KY > > ... 2 Teresia Jane Medcalf b: October 22, 1842 in Hardin Co, KY d: Bef. > 1850 > in KY > > ... 2 Lucretia Medcalf b: April 21, 1844 in Hardin Co, KY d: January 08, > 1918 in Ohio Co, KY Burial: January 09, 1918 Magan Cemetery, Ohio Co, KY > > ....... +Charles R Barnett b: September 14, 1840 in Hancock Co, KY m: > March > 18, 1863 in Ohio Co, KY > > ... *2nd Husband of Lucretia Medcalf: > > ....... +Samuel L Midkiff m: April 05, 1866 in Ohio Co, KY > > ... 2 George Washington Medcalf b: March 29, 1846 in Hardin Co, KY d: > April > 05, 1906 in Ohio Co, KY Burial: Bellamy Cemetery, Ohio Co, KY > > ....... +Martha E Bellamy b: December 21, 1856 in KY m: April 04, 1882 in > Ohio Co, KY d: October 13, 1944 in Daviess Co, KY Burial: October 15, 1944 > Bellamy Cemetery, Ohio Co, KY Father: Joshua Bellamy Mother: Unknown > > ... 2 Henry C Medcalf b: June 09, 1848 in Ohio Co, KY d: July 18, 1938 in > Ohio Co, KY Burial: Fordsville Cemetery, Fordsville, KY > > ....... +Georgia Alice Roach b: October 28, 1858 in Ohio Co, KY m: January > 20, 1876 in Ohio Co, KY d: 1945 in Ohio Co, KY Burial: Fordsville > Cemetery, > Fordsville, KY > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message