Sorry Jerry, I haven't been following the discussion enough to give a halfway valid opinion. Linda Reno ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry L. Clark" <jerry876@comcast.net> To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 4:57 PM Subject: [MDSTMARY] John Kenelem MEDCALF and Charles MEDCALF > Linda Reno, > > > > I'm open to thoughts anyone might have on this below. Or if you can add to > this. > > > > > > Clemency JUPIN (daughter of John Jupin and Eleanor ?) married Elijah > Wright > she was a sister to Elizabeth JUPIN who married Charles MEDCALF. > > > > Sophia Jupin her sister married Charles Donahue, whose brother was Daniel > Donahue who married Ann "Nancy" Cambron > > > > Daniel and Charles Donahue have a sister Martha "Patsy" Donahue who > married > Osborn BLAND who I believe was the son of Osborn Bland and Leatice ? > > > > Samuel McADAMS married Sarah HAGAN daughter of James HAGAN and Monica > JOHNSON > > > > Samuel McADAMS and Sarah Hagan's son Alexander McADAMS married Catherine > JUPIN sister of Elizabeth JUPIN (MEDCALF) > > > > Their daughter Mary McADAMS married Micheal SUMMERS. Their son David > McADAMS > married Rebecca HINTON > > > > Another sister Eleanor JUPIN married John RITCHIE whose daughter Jemima > Ritchie married Lewis LEMASTER son of Hugh Lemaster and Mary JUPIN also a > sister of Eleanor JUPIN(RITCHIE) > > > > Jacob KING married Ann ABELL daughter of Charles ABELL and Elizabeth > CRAWFORD > > > > Ann Abell (KING) sister was Elizabeth ABELL who married Ignatuis BROWN son > of Nicholas BROWN and Appolonia THOMPSON, she married 2nd to William > NEWTON > son of Thomas NEWTON and Susanna HOWARD > > > > > > What I'm noticing here is that it appears to me that John Kenelm Medcalf > who > married Winifred PAYNE could very well be the brother of Charles Medcalf > who married Elizabeth Jupin > > > > Their ages are 10 years apart. I realize that is not how most people have > it, but I think my placement might be closer to the truth. Open to > discussion on this. > > > > Most People are trying to Claim Charles Medcalf was a son of William > Medcalf > and Susanna Smith, that's not possible, so others have placed him under > William Medcalf Jr. and Susanna ? but once again I don't think that is > correct either. > > > > The Association in Kentucky is mind boggling between John Kenelm Medcalf > and > Charles Medcalf. > > > > If I knew children of Elijah WRIGHT and Clemency JUPIN I could show more > connections to the John Medcalf who married Treacy DICKSON who I still > feel > belongs under John Kenelm MEDCALF. > > > > > > > > > > John Jupin and Eleanor____ had 4 sons & 8 daughters. John died in 1816 and > left a will in Nelson Co., naming all of his 12 children. Freeborn Jupin, > Mary Jupin LeMaster, Sarah Jupin Dismore, Clementine Jupin Wright, > Elizabeth > Jupin Medcalf, John Jupin, James Jupin, Sophia Jupin Donahew, Catherine > Jupin McAdams, Kesiah Jupin Ritchie, Lewis Jupin & Eleanor Jupin. > > > > > > John Kenelm Medcalf was alive in 1815 > > > > Nelson Co. "Abstract of Deed Book > 11, Nelson Co", NCGS, p 97: "pg 85 25 Jan 1815 Deed between Daniel > Donahew > & > wife, Ann & John Keneten Medcalf $250.00 for 175 acres on Gilkey Run. > Daniel Donahow & Ann. Wit: Jacob King and Wm. Johnson. Rec 26 Jan 1815." > > > > > > Abstracts of Nelson County, KY Deeds- Book Six > > 1785-1808 Page 126 > > > > > > P. 138- 18 Nov. 1802- Osborn BLAND and wife Lettice of Cumberland Co., KY > to > Ignatius Thompson, 125 pounds. 120 1/2 acres on the waters of Pottinger > Creek, being part of Samuel McAdams Survey, and adj. Knellem Medcalf on > road > from McAdams to Springfield. > > > > > > > > Papers from the Lawsuit Contesting John Jupin's Will > > Charles and Elizabeth Medcalf brought suit in the Chancery Division of > Nelson Circuit Court contesting John Jupin's will. This we already knew; > however, I don't think anyone has had access to the case papers before. > Though partially damaged in a courthouse fire, the case papers filed with > the bill are still preserved in Nelson County. These papers are stored in > the metal drawers in which they appear to have been filed originally; and > though their edges were severely burned during the fire, making complete > quotations impossible, the greater portions survived fire. The files are > evidently off-limits; but I found this out only after I had begun copying, > so the attendant allowed me to finish what I could before she was > scheduled > to leave. There was a large number of filled out summonses on printed > forms, > which because time was limited and because they didn't appear to contain > much meaningful information, I did not copy. I did attempt copy all of the > primary documents containing facts of the case. Their content allows the > following account, providing John Jupin's birth and death dates as > accurately as was known at the time, giving proof that Sarah Jupin was the > mother of Henry Dismore's children, and portraying the discord that arose > among the heirs because of the terms of the will: > > The statement of Charles Medcalf and Elizabeth his wife, filed 10 February > 1816, alleges that John Jupin was of unsound mind and memory at the time > the > will was written. > > An order dated 25 March (sic, February) was issued summoning the following > persons to appear on the 18th day of the March Term to answer the Bill > exhibited by Charles and Elizabeth Medcalf against them: > > Freeborn Jupin > > James Jupin > > Lewis Jupin > > Elijah Wright and Clemency his wife formerly Jupin > > Hugh Lamaster and Mary his wife formerly Jupin > > Alexander McAdams and Catharine his wife formerly Jupin > > Charles Dunnahugh and Sophia His wife formerly Jupin > > John Richey and Ellender his wife formerly Jupin > > Henry Dismore, John Dismore, Nathaniel Dismore, James Dismore, Ellender > Dismore, Oily Dismore and Sarah Dismore, children of Sarah Dismore dec.d > formerly Jupin > > and Nelly Richey, John Richey, William Richey, Lewis Richey, Cornelius > Richey and Mary Richey children of Kizea Richey dec.d formerly Kizey Jupin > > and Elizabeth Jupin, Martha (sic, Mathew) Jupin, William Jupin, Rebecca > Jupin, Elisha Jupin and John Jupin, infant children of John Jupin Sen, > dec.d. > > I photocopied one copy of this order and what appears to be the top half > of > a duplicate. The first one was signed on the back by Elijah and Clemency > Wright acknowledging service. > > The allegation of Charles and Elizabeth Medcalf was reaffirmed by the > joint > and separate answer filed 18 March 1816 in the name of the following > children and grandchildren: > > James Jupin > > Catharine McAdams & Alexr McAdams her husband late Catharine Jupin > > Sophia and Charles Donohue her husband late Sophia Jupin > > Freeborn Jupin > > Eiiender & John Richey her husband late Ellender Jupin > > Elijah Wright and Clemency his wife late Jupin > > Charies Lemaster & Mary his wife late Jupin > > Their answer states in part: > > They have heard & believe that at the time of his decease John Jupin was > wholly incapable of making a Last Will and Testament. They know that his > mind had been in a state of disorder for some time before his decease His > deranged state of mind increased with his increasing debility of body and > the progress of the disease that terminated his life. They have been > moreover informed and believe that at the time the alleged will should > have > been executed the said John Jupin was not only entirely deranged in mind > and > thereby entirely incapable to make his last will and testament, but on > that > account he was also so enfeebled by disease as to be unable to sign his > name > to the said alleged will or signify by utterance or intelligible sign his > approbation thereof. They have reason to believe that Lewis Jupin caused > the > alleged will to be written as it is; and that thereby he is in fraud of > his > brothers and sisters. > > This answer was signed and sworn to on 18 March 1816 by Charles and Sophia > Donohue, Alexander and Catharine McAdams, John and Eleanor Ritchie & John > Ritchie. Freeborn Jupin swore to the answer on 20 March 1816, James Jupin > on > 25 March and Elijah Wright, Clemency Wright, Hugh Lemaster and Mary > Lemaster > on 1 April. > > On the 19th day of March 1817 James Jupin filed a release to Lewis Jupin > of > all claim to his father's estate. Lewis Jupin's answer, filed 17 June > 1816, > in addition to denying the foregoing allegations, further relates, in > part: > > His father was born in the year 1740 and was about 75 years of age at his > death. His brothers and sisters had left their father early in life. He > continued to live with his father, whereas his brothers and sisters stood > aloof acquiring wealth by their own labor. His father gave to each of his > children as they left him or married considerable property or money by way > of their portion of his estate, to what amount he could not say. > > His father departed this life about the 12th of January 1816 possessed of > considerable estate both real and personal. He acknowledges that his > father > was deranged "reasonably," but it was but a temporary derangement produced > by the use of spirits and wine. > > His father, in his last illness, anxious to display the feelings of a just > father, after having previously given to the children who had left him a > portion of his estate, by so disposing of his estate would in some design > remunerate Lewis for the services from a boy to the age of 30 years. > > Upon the reverse of the affidavit of attorneys Wicliff & Hardin attesting > that John Jupin was of sound mind and disposing memory at the time of the > execution of his will appears the notation: "We the Jury find for the > Defendant" Thus Lewis Jupin was exonerated of any fraud or wrongdoing, and > John Jupin's estate was distributed according o the provisions of his > will. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Linda Reno, Just Located two more children of John Kenelem MEDCALF. Sorry, but the George A. Medcalf who married Elizabeth WINKLER is not the son of John Kenelm MEDCALF. Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1817-1832, NCGR William King & Nancy Medcalf Bond: 15 Oct 1818 M: 16 Oct 1818 Philip Read signed bond William, s/o Jacob King Nancy, d/o John K Medcalf Married by Joshua Morris, minister return Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1833-1848 (NCGR) George Medcalf & Mary Abell Bond: 4 May 1835 M: May 1835 William King signed bond Katherine Abell, mother of Mary, filed consent w/bond W: William King, Nancy King Married by W S Coomes, minister return George Medcalf who married Mary Abell was the son of John Kenelem Medcalf, and his sister and her husband were a witness on his marriage. Abstracts of Nelson County, KY Deeds- Book Six 1785-1808 Page 126 P. 138- 18 Nov. 1802- Osborn BLAND and wife Lettice of Cumberland Co., KY to Ignatius Thompson, 125 pounds. 120 1/2 acres on the waters of Pottinger Creek, being part of Samuel McAdams Survey, and adj. Knellem Medcalf on road from McAdams to Springfield. Nelson Co. "Abstract of Deed Book 11, Nelson Co", NCGS, p 97: "pg 85 25 Jan 1815 Deed between Daniel Donahew & wife, Ann & John Keneten Medcalf $250.00 for 175 acres on Gilkey Run. Daniel Donahow & Ann. Wit: Jacob King and Wm. Johnson. Rec 26 Jan 1815." Jacob KING married Ann ABELL daughter of George Abell and Elizabeth CRAWFORD Notes Below came from: K Woodring [katwoodring@yahoo.com] Thu 5/1/2008 7:59 AM Abstract of Will George Abell Nelson County, KY p 740 Will Book A Will of George Abell dated 12 Sep 1802 prob. 9 Sep 1804 Farm to wife Elizabeth and at her death to be divided between children Elizabeth, Catharine, Judith, Enoch, Francis, Ann and Pollard. Wit: Cornelius King, John Houston & William Cleaver. Exec. wife Elizabeth and son William. ******* Abstracts of Deeds, 1785-1808, Nelson Co, KY. Compiled by Nelson Co. Hist. Soc. Pub. by Nelson Co. Gen. Soc. Bardstown, KY. no date. Book 6. p146. p 353-354 6 Jun 1805 William, Cleaver, wife Susannah, of Hardin Co, to John Houston, 100 pounds, 198 1/2 acres on south side of Beech Fork and north side of Landing Run adj George Able, Culver's Mill and Joshua Greenwell. [see similar deed to Elizabeth Abell] 1 George Abell b: 1745 d: April 09, 1804 Nelson, KY Father: Enoch ABELL Mother: Judith Judah BOOTH ....Elizabeth Crawford 2 Enoch B. Abell b: MD d: Crawford, IN ....+Teresa Greenwell m: June 06, 1810 2 Ann Abell b: MD ....+Jacob King m: March 1797 2 Ann Elizabeth Abell b: January 24, 1766 MD d: Aft. 1860 Monroe Co, MD ....+Joseph Madison Pierceall b 1: 1788 b 2: WFT Est. 1767-1798 St. Mary's Co, MD d 1: WFT Est. 1835-1884 d 2: Bet. October 30 - December 14, 1850 Burial: St. Stephen Catholic Cemetery, Indian Creek, Monroe Co, MO m: July 07, 1809 Washington Co, KY Father: Richard PIERCEALL Mother: ELIZABETH ? ...3 [1] Belinda A. Pierceall b 1: WFT Est. 1796-1839 Washington Co, KY b 2: June 14, 1813 d 1: WFT Est. 1810-1921 d 2: November 28, 1887 Burial: St. Stephen Catholic Cemetery, Indian Creek, Monroe Co, MO .......+James Valentine Bright m: March 07, 1831 ...*2nd Husband of [1] Belinda A. Pierceall: .......+Stephen Mills m: 1845 ...3 Joseph Pierceall b: WFT Est. 1796-1839 Washington Co, KY d: WFT Est. 1811-1918 ...3 Susan Pierceall b: WFT Est. 1796-1839 Washington Co, KY d: WFT Est. 1810-1921 ...3 John Pierceall b: January 12, 1827 Washington Co, KY d: WFT Est. 1828-1917 ...3 Samuel Austin Pierceall b: December 29, 1828 Washington Co, KY d: October 31, 1905 Stoutsville, MO Burial: St. Stephen Catholic Cemetery, Indian Creek, Monroe Co, MO .......+Malinda Ellen Wimsatt b 1: October 21/31, 1832 d: March 10, 1876 Indian Creek, Monroe Co, MO Burial: St. Stephen Catholic Cemetery, Indian Creek, Monroe Co, MO m: February 05, 1850 Indian Creek, MO Father: Ignatius Alexander WIMSATT Mother: Susannah "Susan" PIERCEALL ...3 Eliza Rosella Pierceall b: May 23, 1832 Washington Co., KY d: WFT Est. 1833-1926 ...3 Richard Thomas Pierceall b: January 1834 Washington Co., KY d: WFT Est. 1835-1924 ...3 Jane Pierceall b 1: June 23, 1817 b 2: May 10, 1815 Washington Co, KY d 1: March 10, 1876 Indian Creek, Monroe Co, MO - cyclone Burial: St. Stephen Catholic Cemetery, Indian Creek, Monroe Co, MO .......+James Girtin b: March 15, 1804 KY d: July 01, 1886 m: Graves Co, KY Father: James GIRTIN Mother: Mary "Polly" ? 2 George Abell, Jr. b: July 27, 1766 St. Mary's County, MD -->2 Francis Abell b: June 20, 1774 MD d: 1836 Crawford, IN ....+Hannah Houston b: PA m: August 26, 1801 Bardstown, Nelson Co, KY ...3 Enoch "Big Enoch" Abell b: July 05, 1802 Nelson, KY d: 1881 .......+Nancy Wiseman m: December 25, 1819 ...3 John Abell b: December 12, 1803 Nelson, KY d: 1844 Crawford, IN .......+Sarah Vanwinkle m: June 14, 1827 ...3 Judith Abell b 1: May 13, 1805 Nelson, KY b 2: 1803 .......+John Wiseman m: January 03, 1822 ...3 Jane Abell b: October 21, 1806 Nelson, KY d: September 20, 1880 .......+John Jones ...3 Nancy Abell b: November 20, 1808 Nelson, KY .......+Dennis Trainer m: November 24, 1825 ...3 Francis Abell, Jr. b: November 24, 1810 Nelson, KY .......+Mary Wiseman m: March 03, 1848 ...3 Sarah Sallie Abell b: May 16, 1812 Nelson, KY .......+Jacob Wiseman m: March 24, 1831 ...3 George Abell b: December 04, 1813 Nelson, KY .......+Esther Vanwinkle m: January 19, 1837 ...3 Elizabeth Abell b: October 08, 1815 .......+James Vanwinkle m: July 18, 1833 ...3 Mary Jane Abell b: August 10, 1818 Crawford, IN d: 1854 .......+John Dean m: January 07, 1835 ...3 James Abell b: November 19, 1820 Crawford, IN .......+? Dameron m: 1840 ...3 Eliza Abell b: March 10, 1822 Crawford, IN d: 1823 ...3 Eliza "The Younger" Abell b: September 24, 1824 Crawford, IN d: October 16, 1858 .......+William Cox m: 1841 ...3 Elias Eli B. Abell b: November 02, 1826 Crawford, IN d: March 1892 Dubois, IN .......+Nancy J. Cox m: March 22, 1846 ...3 David Griggs Abell b: December 10, 1829 St. Anthony, Crawford, Indiana d: April 28, 1881 Dubois, IN .......+Catherine Bretz m: October 30, 1855 2 Pollard Abell b: September 20, 1777 St. Mary's Co, MD d: IN ....+Caty Miller m: August 27, 1800 K Woodring [katwoodring@yahoo.com] Thu 5/1/2008 7:59 AM