Checked the register and it does list the marriage as 14 December 1801, however you should be aware that the register was created in the mid 1800's and was compiled from the slips of paper that the ministers returned to the clerk. The same hand wrote the register. The original slips of paper that have survived are in a separate file. Joseph Fogle & Margaret Clarks original slip of paper has not been found. Ann In a message dated 13-May-11 21:52:24 Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I believe the marriage register states they where married 14 April 1801 and the book is incorrect. On Monday I will double check the register to make sure. Ann In a message dated 13-May-11 20:30:58 Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Nelson Co Ky Bonds, Marriages & Consents 1801-1816 Joseph Fogle & Margaret Clarke Bond: 14 Apr 1801 M: 14 Dec 1801 (diff in dates) Signed bond: Joseph Clarke Both over 21 years Married by S T Badin, from Marriage Register ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas L. Bohan" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 7:13:33 PM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Margaret Clark Father Badin was one of the founders of Notre Dame University, in 1842, I believe. Where did the marriage of Margaret Clark take place? My grgrgrandmother, Monica Brown, wed her first cousin B B Reynolds near Bardstown in 1813. Thomas L Bohan Peaks Island, Maine 207 766 2483 (h) 207 766 5184 (w) On May 12, 2011, at 8:55 PM, [email protected] wrote: > I have discovered some more clues about Margaret Clark while researching in > Kentucky. I have included the old information with the new. > > Margaret Clarke married Joseph Fogle 14 April 1801 the bond was posted by > Joseph Fogle and Joseph Clark they were married by S.T. Badin, a Catholic > priest. > > From the LaRue County death register for Margaret Fogle died at the age of > 92 on 5 December 1859 and her parents were Thomas & Mary Clark. Based on > all the census records in which Margaret is listed she was more than likely > 86 when she died and not 92. She is head of household in 1850 listed as age > 77 born in Maryland. The 1810-1840 census age groups support the age of 77 > in the 1805 census. > > Form the depositions of a Washington County Circuit court case Fogle v > Fogle heirs the following is excepted: > > Note the Fogle is Joseph Fogle the Fogle Heirs are the children of Adam > Fogle who murdered his wife in 1802 and took his own life in the winter of > 1804. > > > Deposition of Richard Riddle 12 September 1807, packet # 142 > Taken at George McKay’s tavern in Springfield, Washington County, Kentucky > Saith that he remembers a conversation taking place between Joseph Fogle > and this deponent at Jonathon Rineys tavern last October Court day… The > deponent further saith that he heard the defendant [Joseph Fogle] ask the > plaintiff of his Negro fellow named Jerry did not frequently carry meat to his > present wife [Margaret Clark]as is now but was not then married, answer he > did. > Signed Richard B Riddle > Deposition of Robert H Fogle 27 May 1809, packet # 142 > Taken at the home of John Calhoon in Springfield, Washington County, > Kentucky > Questioned by Hammett for Defendants > …. > Question: Did you hear your father say that there was meat and whisky > carried away to the widow Clark before the partnership broke and that he heard > his father say that he help the Negro man Jerry up with a bag of meat in > the night to carry away on Suter’s horse and followed after and said whence > it went? > Answer: I heard him my father say that he believed that there was whiskey > carried away and that he followed the Negro man Jerry and saw that he > carried the meat to Lizzy CLARKS > Question: Did you not see a pewter pint pot that Joseph Fogle had made a > noise about in the cellar at this Widow CLARK? > Answer: At the time Joseph Fogle moved I was helping him and saw the > pewter pot in the cellar that the noise was made about. > From Webb's Catholicity in Kentucky p.30 > "Joseph Clark was one of the most exemplary members of Holy Cross > congregation. He lived on a farm adjoining that of Phillip Lee, and almost in sight > of Holy Cross Church" > From Marion County Deed Book 6, Page 129 > Martha A Richardson wife of R. J Richardson purchases land from John Lee. > Land is located next to land RJ purchased from Joseph CLARK. Note R. J. > Richardson was the grandson of the Margaret CLARK that married Joseph Fogle. > From the information I have collected I am reasonably certain that there > is a relationship of Margaret Clark to the Joseph Clark in the Pottingers > Creek area. And that she was probably living with the Widow Clark. Based on > when Joseph Fogle would have been courting Margaret there are one of two > possibilities for the Widow Clark. > 1. She was a widow prior to the marriage of Margaret & Joseph in 1801 or > 2. She was a widow prior to the deposition of Robert Fogle dated 27 May > 1809. > I don't think there is enough information in the deposition to determine > if the Widow Clark and Lizzy Clark are the same person. > The Joseph Clark that died in 1796 doesn't list a Margaret Clark as his > daughter. > If anyone has any thoughts on this it would be appreciated. > Thank you > Ann Gilchrest > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Maybe Joseph Fogle & Joseph Clarke went to the county seat & posted bond in April but it might have been December before the traveling priest came by & formalized the marriage. Thats why sometimes you will see several marriages & baptisms on the same date, in the early years. When did S.T. Badin come to this area? I think the priests from Louisville served that area early on then St. Clare in Hardin Co. began serving them about 1830. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Margaret Clark > Checked the register and it does list the marriage as 14 December 1801, > however you should be aware that the register was created in the mid > 1800's > and was compiled from the slips of paper that the ministers returned to > the > clerk. The same hand wrote the register. The original slips of paper that > have survived are in a separate file. Joseph Fogle & Margaret Clarks > original slip of paper has not been found. > > Ann > > > In a message dated 13-May-11 21:52:24 Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > I believe the marriage register states they where married 14 April 1801 > and > the book is incorrect. On Monday I will double check the register to make > sure. > > Ann > > > In a message dated 13-May-11 20:30:58 Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > > Nelson Co Ky Bonds, Marriages & Consents 1801-1816 > Joseph Fogle & Margaret Clarke > Bond: 14 Apr 1801 M: 14 Dec 1801 (diff in dates) > Signed bond: Joseph Clarke > Both over 21 years > Married by S T Badin, from Marriage Register > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas L. Bohan" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 7:13:33 PM > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Margaret Clark > > Father Badin was one of the founders of Notre Dame University, in 1842, > I > believe. Where did the marriage of Margaret Clark take place? My > grgrgrandmother, Monica Brown, wed her first cousin B B Reynolds near > Bardstown in > 1813. > > Thomas L Bohan > Peaks Island, Maine > 207 766 2483 (h) > 207 766 5184 (w) > > On May 12, 2011, at 8:55 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> I have discovered some more clues about Margaret Clark while > researching > in >> Kentucky. I have included the old information with the new. >> >> Margaret Clarke married Joseph Fogle 14 April 1801 the bond was posted > by >> Joseph Fogle and Joseph Clark they were married by S.T. Badin, a > Catholic >> priest. >> >> From the LaRue County death register for Margaret Fogle died at the age > of >> 92 on 5 December 1859 and her parents were Thomas & Mary Clark. Based > on >> all the census records in which Margaret is listed she was more than > likely >> 86 when she died and not 92. She is head of household in 1850 listed as > age >> 77 born in Maryland. The 1810-1840 census age groups support the age > of > 77 >> in the 1805 census. >> >> Form the depositions of a Washington County Circuit court case Fogle v > > >> Fogle heirs the following is excepted: >> >> Note the Fogle is Joseph Fogle the Fogle Heirs are the children of Adam > > >> Fogle who murdered his wife in 1802 and took his own life in the winter > > of >> 1804. >> >> >> Deposition of Richard Riddle 12 September 1807, packet # 142 >> Taken at George McKay’s tavern in Springfield, Washington County, > Kentucky >> Saith that he remembers a conversation taking place between Joseph > Fogle >> and this deponent at Jonathon Rineys tavern last October Court day… > The > >> deponent further saith that he heard the defendant [Joseph Fogle] ask > the >> plaintiff of his Negro fellow named Jerry did not frequently carry > meat > to his >> present wife [Margaret Clark]as is now but was not then married, > answer > he >> did. >> Signed Richard B Riddle >> Deposition of Robert H Fogle 27 May 1809, packet # 142 >> Taken at the home of John Calhoon in Springfield, Washington County, >> Kentucky >> Questioned by Hammett for Defendants >> …. >> Question: Did you hear your father say that there was meat and whisky >> carried away to the widow Clark before the partnership broke and that > he heard >> his father say that he help the Negro man Jerry up with a bag of meat > in >> the night to carry away on Suter’s horse and followed after and said > whence >> it went? >> Answer: I heard him my father say that he believed that there was > whiskey >> carried away and that he followed the Negro man Jerry and saw that he >> carried the meat to Lizzy CLARKS >> Question: Did you not see a pewter pint pot that Joseph Fogle had made > a >> noise about in the cellar at this Widow CLARK? >> Answer: At the time Joseph Fogle moved I was helping him and saw the >> pewter pot in the cellar that the noise was made about. >> From Webb's Catholicity in Kentucky p.30 >> "Joseph Clark was one of the most exemplary members of Holy Cross >> congregation. He lived on a farm adjoining that of Phillip Lee, and > almost in sight >> of Holy Cross Church" >> From Marion County Deed Book 6, Page 129 >> Martha A Richardson wife of R. J Richardson purchases land from John > Lee. >> Land is located next to land RJ purchased from Joseph CLARK. Note R. > J. >> Richardson was the grandson of the Margaret CLARK that married Joseph > Fogle. >> From the information I have collected I am reasonably certain that > there >> is a relationship of Margaret Clark to the Joseph Clark in the > Pottingers >> Creek area. And that she was probably living with the Widow Clark. > Based on >> when Joseph Fogle would have been courting Margaret there are one of > two >> possibilities for the Widow Clark. >> 1. She was a widow prior to the marriage of Margaret & Joseph in 1801 > or >> 2. She was a widow prior to the deposition of Robert Fogle dated 27 > May >> 1809. >> I don't think there is enough information in the deposition to > determine >> if the Widow Clark and Lizzy Clark are the same person. >> The Joseph Clark that died in 1796 doesn't list a Margaret Clark as > his >> daughter. >> If anyone has any thoughts on this it would be appreciated. >> Thank you >> Ann Gilchrest >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message