Linda Reno, Sorry I have not jumped in sooner to this conversation but I'm behind in my E-mails. According to my research the Basil Smith born 1789 is the same one who married Mary Eleanor Downs 24 Jun 1813 St. Mary's, St. Mary's, Maryland, United States. he married 2nd to Hanna 'Ann' Greenwell 23 Sep 1829 Nelson, Kentucky, United States 23 Sep 1829 Nelson, Kentucky, United States Also The John Downs living next door is the same John Downs who married 1st to Nancy HARPER, 2nd to Ann TAYLOR, and third to Mary Eleanor HAGAN Ann TAYLOR the 2nd wife was married 1st to Benjamin GRISTY, 2nd to ? MATTINGLY, and 3rd to John DOWNS I do not know if Mary Eleanor DOWNS who married Basil Smith is a daughter of this John DOWNS from one of his wives, but if she was she is likely the daughter of 1st wife Nancy HARPER my notes: 1850 Dist 2 Nelson Co Ky HH 26 Basil Smith 61 MD Ann 54 PA John 20 Ky Robert 18 Ky William 16 Ky James 14 Ky Stephen 10 Ky 　 1860 New Haven PO Nelson Co Ky HH 128 Basil Smith District 1, Nelson, KY 71 1788 Maryland Male Ann Smith District 1, Nelson, KY 63 1796 Pennsylvania Female Susan Willett District 1, Nelson, KY 17 1842 Kentucky Female Steven Smith District 1, Nelson, KY 20 1839 Kentucky Male Here is what I have on this family so far.. Descendants of Basil Smith 1 [2] Basil Smith 1790 - 1864 b: Abt. 1790 by Maryland d: Abt. 1864 .. +Mary Eleanor Downs - 1825 d: Abt. 1825 m: 24 Jun 1813 by St Mary's Co, MD m: 24 Jun 1813 by St Mary's Co, MD ........ 2 [1] Elizabeth Smith 1814 - b: Abt. 1814 by Maryland ............ +Thomas B Willett 1804 - b: Abt. 1804 by Kentucky m: 05 Mar 1836 by Nelson Co, Ky m: 05 Mar 1836 by Nelson Co, Ky ........ *2nd Husband of [1] Elizabeth Smith: ............ +Francis Peake, Jr 1810 - b: Bet. 1810 - 1811 m: 21 Nov 1849 m: 21 Nov 1849 ........ 2 Catherine Smith ............ +Augustus Brown m: 09 Jan 1839 m: 09 Jan 1839 ........ 2 Roseanna Smith ........ 2 Francis 'Frank' Smith 1822 - b: Abt. 1822 ............ +Lucinda Masterson 1818 - 1860 b: 16 Jun 1818 by Nelson Co, KY d: Aft. 1860 m: 16 Jul 1841 by Nelson Co, Ky m: 16 Jul 1841 by Nelson Co, Ky *2nd Wife of [2] Basil Smith: .. +Hanna 'Ann' Greenwell m: 23 Sep 1829 by Nelson Co, Ky ........ 2 John Smith 1830 - b: Abt. 1830 ........ 2 Robert Smith 1832 - b: Abt. 1832 ........ 2 William Smith 1834 - b: Abt. 1834 ........ 2 James Smith 1836 - b: Abt. 1836 ........ 2 Stephen Smith 1840 - b: Abt. 1840 other notes of interest Matilda Ann Downs d/o John Downs and Nancy Harper. I have Charles Roberts s/o William Roberts and Unknown 　 Descendants of Charles Roberts 1 Charles Roberts .. +Matilda Ann Downs 1796 - 1859 b: Bet. 1796 - 1800 d: Bef. 1859 by Nelson Co, KY m: 26 Aug 1816 by Nelson Co, Ky m: 26 Aug 1816 by Nelson Co, Ky ........ 2 Lucretia Ann Roberts ............ +Charles Thompson Ballard m: 06 Nov 1843 by Nelson Co, Ky m: 06 Nov 1843 by Nelson Co, Ky ........ 2 Angeline Roberts ............ +Madison Cambron m: 16 Jun 1851 by Nelson Co, Ky m: 16 Jun 1851 by Nelson Co, Ky ........ 2 Mary Jane Roberts ............ +Robert Wimsatt m: 06 Aug 1835 by Nelson Co, Ky m: 06 Aug 1835 by Nelson Co, Ky ........ 2 John Roberts ........ 2 James C Roberts ........ 2 William A Roberts 1819 - b: 1819 ............ +Mary M Norris 1819 - b: 1819 m: 06 May 1844 by Nelson Co, Ky m: 06 May 1844 by Nelson Co, Ky Notes: LEANORD JOHNSON: On July 29, 1788 Charles Ewing and wife Sarah deeded to Leonard Johnson 300 acres on Pottinger;s Creek adjoining land of Samuel Pottinger. (note: This land was on the south side of Pottinger's Creek, bordering the Pottinger land to the north, to the west the land of Athanasius Thompon and Peter Brown. Cuthbert Head's 500 acres bordered land of Thompson and Brown to the west of their land.) end of page. Itend to think this also documents who Dortha Gristy Parents are; Benjamin and Ann Taylor Gristy. I think this is the same Ann Taylor, Gristy, Mattingly, Downs person!! My information shows that Ann Taylor married an unknown Mattingly and married John Downs in the later part of of the year 1833. Ann Downs diedin 1838 and is buried in Holy Cross Ch. Cem. My informaiton comes from the following: "Mattingly-Downs" book compiled by rev. J.F. Mattingly1918 #155 pages 29-39 Downs Familes. pg. 29,30, 31 John Downs 1749-1857lived to be 108 yrs. (this is just bit of his marriages, Terri) "John Downs married 1st Miss Nancy Harper and English emigrant, who then was a school teacher in St. Mary's Co. Maryland. They married in Georgetwon, Md. She died in 1833 her husband and children surviving her. She was buried at St. Thomas Cem, Nelson Co. Ky. Children we Benedict, Xavier, Walter and Matilida. After the death of his wife,which occured in the begining of the year 1833, John Downs married AnnTaylor in the later part of the same year-she was then the widow Mattingly. She never had any children with John Downs. She died in 1838and was buried at Holy Cross Ch. cemetery. After her death, John Downs married Ellen Hagan, who was then the widow Norris and she had been the widow Wimsatt previously and had many Wimsatt children who continued to live with her as the wife of John Downs. She never had children with John Downs. She died in the year 1857 and was buried at Holy Cross Ch.Cemetry. John Downs soon followed her, dying at the age of 108 years.He also is buried at Holy Cross cemetery. " I feel this is the same AnnTaylor, also have that John Downs and Nancy Harper married bef. 1785 MD. Courtesy of Terri Ward ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Reno" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, February 4, 2011 5:59:43 AM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Basil Smith Dave, I think you're probably right.  I did some backtracking.  We know the Basil Smith who died in Nelson Co., KY was from St. Mary's County because his pension application from the War of 1812 says he was.  We also know from the census records that he was born in 1789 vs. 1784.  The information he provided on the 1850 and 1860 censuses is consistent.  Whether he's the same guy who married Mary Eleanor (Downs) Mitchell, I don't know.  BUT, at the time of the 1850 census, John Downs (from St. Mary's County) was living in the same neighborhood as Basil Smith in Nelson County--they're only a few houses apart. 1850, 2nd Dist., Nelson Co., KY: Basil Smith 61, farmer, b. MD Ann Smith 54, b. PA John Smith 20, b. KY Robert Smith 18, b. KY William Smith 16, b. KY James Smith 14, b. KY Stephen Smith 10, b. KY 1850, Nelson Co., KY: John Downs 88, b. MD Eleanor Downs 68, b. MD 4/17/1855:  Basil Smith, age 67, resident of Nelson Co., KY; vol. at St. Mary's Co.  Wit.: John H. Talbott, George W. Pollenger (Pottinger?). (War of 1812 Pension application, Nelson Co., KY). 1860, New Haven, Nelson Co., KY: Basil Smith 71, farmer, b. MD Ann Smith 63, b. PA Susan Willett 17, b. KY Steven Smith 20, b. KY Those who have KY records at their disposal may be able to solve this.  I don't have anything further here. Linda Reno -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Lee Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 12:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Basil Smith Linda I think that there were too many Basil Smiths and people merged data based on name alone. The Basil Smith you listed was born 6 Aug 1784 per your reference. In 1810 Census for MD there are 5 Basil Smith head of house.The one in St. Mary's Co. was over 45(bef 1765) as were the ones in Anne Arundle, Calvert & Montgomery Counties. The one in Charles Co was 26-44 so could fit your man. Mary Eleanor Mitchell m. Basil Smith, 27 Jun 1813, St. Mary's Co., MD was he the one over 45? one from Charles Co.? or one that was not head of house in 1810? In 1830 Nelson Co., KY the oldest female in Basil Smith's house was 30-39 (b. aft 1790) so she could fit. What we do know is that in Nelson Co., KY 1850 & 1860 (all name) census Basil Smith b. 1789 MD (date does not fit youe ref.) wife was Ann b. 1796 PA (also fits 1830 census age). Their son James E(dward?) b. 1830 KY. In 1870 & 1880 Nelson Co. census he has son James E(dward?) b 1861 KY. In 1910 Nelson Co. census is a daughter Veronica b. 1902/03 KY. Based on these records I think Vera's ancestor Basil was born in 1789 not 1784 & I don't think Mary Eleanor Mitchell was her ancestor. There was a Basil Smith on 1800 Tax list & census in Washington Co., KY. but he would have been too old. There was a Basil Smith that married Easter Gates 16 Jan 1806 in Washington Co., KY that could fit but does not feel right. Even if Washington Co. & Nelson Co. share a border. I think that Basil Smith b. 1789 MD (what county?) in migrating to KY paused when passing thru PA & married Ann LNU. This was on the normal route to KY. What do you think?     Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Reno" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Basil Smith > Shirley, > > We had no orphanages here.  As close as we got was the Alms and Workhouse. > I > find no record of him there, but I did find this: > > 2/1802:  James Griggs petitioned the court to have Basil Smith, age 18 on > the 6th day of August next bound to him until the age of 21 to learn the > occupation of pilot--granted (Orphan Ct. Rec., Fenwick). Griggs would have > petitioned the court because Basil was an orphan and under the age of 18, > otherwise he would have been bound with the consent of his father or > another > adult family member. > > As far as him joining the Army--that's a bid misleading. Our men didn't > join > the regular U.S. Army, but during that war two local regiments were > formed--the 12th and the 45th. They were called out on an as-needed basis > as > the British marauded up and down the Patuxent, Potomac, Chesapeake Bay, > etc. > According to Regina Hammett (History of St. Mary's County), Basil Smith > served under Capt. James Jarboe, 12th Regt., War of 1812. > > I show Basil Smith as the son of Thomas Smith and Mary Potter and the Job > Smith below was probably his brother. > > Mortgage from Basil Smith to Job Smith for chattle, 7/30/1814. > > Deed from Job Smith to Basil Smith for "Mattapany Sewall", 6/25/1816. > > Deed from Basil Smith to Job Smith for the property of Thomas Smith, > deceased, "Part of Mattapany", 9/10/1822 (Chr. of SM). > > Deed to Job Smith from Richard Fenwick, Attorney for Basil Smith, for the > property of Thomas Smith, deceased, called "Part of Mattapany", 9/10/1822 > (Chr. of SM). > > I don't have his pension application from 1855, but would like to have it > if > possible. > > Linda Reno > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 11:36 PM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: [MDSTMARY] Basil Smith > > > The writer is Vera Mae Bowling Teague of Merced, CA b  15 Dec 1928, dau of > Joseph Sylvester Bowling & Mary Veronica Smith of  Nelson Co, KY. > > Can anyone help her/us with Basil Smith? > > Shirley Platt & Jerry Bowling > > On Wed, 1/26/11, Vera Teague <[email protected]>  wrote: > >    I am again trying to get back to family  search and wonder if you ever > heard of Beaver Dam in St. Marys Co.  Maryland. I think the parents of my > Basil Smith may have lived  there and they must of died as my Basil Smith > was > in an orphanage  till he was 18 and went into the army. in the war of 1812 > before  he married the widow Eleanor Downs, Mitchell.  I heard she  had > land > > and they sold it to move to Ky-- her and Basil...I have  only a little > iinfo. on all of this.  I dont guess ancestry  would have any of that? > Are > you > still searching?  I  hope I can stay with it more this year even tho my > eyes > > are so  much worse after the surgery last Apr.  I hope you stay in > touch.....Vera in Merced >