Hi Patricia, I believe 2004 is the last big witeup I have seen of Patrick Payne's work and it has been awhile since I was in touch with him. I am thinking he might have taken leave from the Payne DNA testing also. I don't know if this link will work or not. If not google Patrick Payne and Suffolk Payne's, This specific PDF is entitled 'An Argument in Support of Family Traditon" if you can't open it on this site. http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:wW8M14yj4qgJ:home.earthlink.net/~ppayne1203/old%2520site/patrick-payne.doc+Patrick+Payne+and+Suffolk+Paynes+v&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESi374G6ilvjqgJBtyDlctglw_nPTUmyEpfT1AFBv-AaW6hqlplgIVzqPT3sBSzWxbPREHO7uaAyeTwJz6GBED9RQwYjFQuxNJVC3jH_01wnT9_sjPFPu0lMjpSG_UHbkLx4n9eH&sig=AHIEtbS-WvzanYqea1JW8q_iuaznJl4GuQ. I hope this helps some. :) Marianne Dillow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Obrist" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 1:04:32 PM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Payne Genealogy Hello, Marianne, I've seen your posts to St. Mary's Co. and have long ago been in touch with Patrick Payne. Would you have a pedigree of the Paynes of Suffolk? I am interested in the Thomas Payne family and the Henry Payne family. Thomas below: I'm writing a book on the Drurys who seem to have a Payne connection in St. Mary's Co. I'd be interested in anything you might know about them too. Edmund Scarborough is connected too. I thinik he knew the Drurys in Norfolk, Eng. __________________________________________________________________________ 29 Sept. 1663 - There are two persons by the name of Robert DRURY among 29 persons transported by Edmond SCARBURGH to Virginia. Patent Book No. 2. ("Cavaliers and Pioneers," p. 207) ______________________________________________________________________________ *Descendants of Thomas Payne* PBO 2/28/2011 *Generation No. 1* *1.* THOMAS2 PAYNE* (M**AISTER*1*)* was born Abt. 1635 in England, and died Bef. May 23, 1673 in St. Mary's Co., MD. He married JANE SMALLPEECEBef. 1656 in England. She was born Abt. 1638 in England, and died June 05, 1675 in St. Mary's Co., MD*1*. Notes for THOMAS PAYNE: March 12, 1672; May 23, 1673 Will of Thomas PAINE, St. Jerome's, St. Mary's Co., MD, To son Isaac: "Paine's Lott" in Baltimore County To son Joseph and Heirs, "Holt" in Baltimore County (sons to be age at 18 years) Five daughters: Mary, Eliza, Sarah, Hanna, Rachel, tracts above named should sons die without issue and personalty. Wife, Jane, all lands in St. Mary's County and pers. Test.: Wm. CALVERT, Robert RIDGELY, Jos. BACKNEY. Exec. Nathan GARRETT, John SMALLPEECE, John REYNOLDS. Lib. 1, 531. (MCW Vol. 1, p. 73, CD 206) 29 May 1673 Acct. of Thomas PAINE, 1.26, #45280 Payments to: John BAINE, John SMALLPEARE, Thomas LAKE, Thomas HOPKINS, Mr. Walter HALL, Mr. VANSWERINGEN, Mr. Richard MUY. Administratrix: Jane PAINE, relict. (APC 1674-78, p. 2 from CD 206) Notes for JANE SMALLPEECE: 6 March 1674 - 7 May 1675 Inv. of Richard CHAPMAN, 1.315 St. Mary's Co. #8228 Appr.: Thomas DOXEY, Henry SMITH. List of debts: John SMALLPEACE, Mrs. Jane PAINE, Richard REGALL. List of desperate debts: Henry SMITH, Wm. GIFFORD, Thomas PIERCE. (APC 1674-1678, p. 11 CD 206) July 1674 - 10 March 1675 Will of George WALKER, St. Mary's Co. To Mr. LUCAS, Jane PAINE, widow, and Isaac, son of said Jane PAINE, pers. Wm. NEWPORT, residuary legatee of estate real and personal. Ex. Jno. SMALLPEECE, Wm. NEWPORT. Test.: Richard CHAPMAN. (MCW Vol. 1, p. 87) "Jane PAINE the fifth day of June One thousand six hundred seventy five departing this life leaveing behinde her a considerable Estate & seven young Children, & no person desireing Admcon of the same att that tyme," Then, Philip CALVERT "did imploy the said Alexander (Windsor) in the life tyme of the said Alexander to looke after the Children of the said Jane, & them as a Schoole Master to teach, & as farre as in him lay to looke after the said Estate, & to see that itt was not imbezelled," Alexander Windsor was to be paid from Jane's estate. Alexander WINDSOR died before Nov 30 1676, and Thomas SPINKE was made administrator. Alexander's widow had to sue Thomas SPINKE to get the money Alex was owed from the estate. (Archives of Maryland, Volume 67, Provincial Court Proceedings, 1677/8. p. 154) "Norma Thompson" <[email protected]> 17 Feb. 1675 - 6 March 1675 Inv. of Jane PAINE, St. Mary's Co. #46745 Servants mentioned: Robert SCOFIELD. Appraisers: Mr. Walter HALL, (gentleman), John THOMPSON (bricklayer). Lots mentioned: "Paine's-Lott", "Paine's-Range", "Houltt", "St. Jerom's Tickett". List of debts: Richard ATWOOD, George WAKER, William THOMAS, Thomas DOXEY, Francis STOURTON, Edward JOLLEY to Thomas PIERCE, Nathaniell GARRETT, Mary STAUBRIDGE (Somerset Co.), George MITCHELL, Thomas BELL, George GODARD, William JONES, Thomas BAYLE, Robertt LARGE, Henry RYDER, Henry SMITH, William NEWPORT, Joseph EDLOE, Joseph HACKNEY, Edward JOLLEY, Richard CHAPMAN, Daniell CLOCKER, Clement HILL, (high sheriff), William GUITHER, George CHARLESWORTH, Joseph HACKNEY, Hon. Philip CALVERT, Esq., Mr. Robert RIDGELY, John REYNOLDS. List of bad debts: Thomas JONES on Edward SOUTHERN, John STEVEN (run out of province), Christopher JACOB (runaway), Roger SHERLING. (APC 1674-78, p. 18 CD 206) 9 June 1675 Inv. of Jane PAINE, 1.340 St. Mary's Co. #55898 Servants mentioned: Ola CHRISTIAN, Robert SCOFIELD, Mary DEANE. Appraisers: William CLAW, Joseph HACKNEY. List of debts: Richard ALLWOOD from George WAKER, Willaim THOMAS from Thomas DOXEY, Francis STOURTON, Edward JOLLY from Thomas PRIORE, Nathaniel GARRETT, Mary STANBRIDGE of Somerset Co., George MITCHELL, Thomas BALL, George GODARD, William JONES, Thomas BAYLE, Robert LARGE, Henry RYDER, Henry SMITH, William NEWPORT, Joseph EDLOE, Joseph HACKNEY, Edward JOLLEY, Richard CHAPMAN, Daniel CLOCKER from Thomas LOCAR from Clement HILL (high sheriff), William GAITHER, George CLARLESWOORT, Roger SHERLING, Hon. Philip CALVERT, Esq., John REYNOLDS. List of desperate debts: Thomas JONES and Edward SOUTHERN, John STONER, Christopher JACOB. (APC 1674-1678, p. 12 CD 206) 29 Dec. 1677 Acct. Richard CHAPMAN, 4.577 St. Mary's Co. #9495 Payments to: Gilbert TURBERVILLE, who married Lydia, widow of Thomas PEARCE, Thomas SPINKE, Mrs. Jane PAINE for Geo. CHARLESWORTH. Distr. to relatives in England. Adm.: John DOXEY. (APC 1703-1713, p. 13) 16 May 1678 Acct. of Jane PAINE, 5.99 St. Mary's Co. #46945 Payments to : John ADDISON, Mr. Robert RIDGELY, Mr. Robert RIDGELY (attorney for Elisabeth de la ROCHE (exec. of Charles de la ROCHE)), John DOXEY, administrator of Richard CHAPMAN (on a bill from Thomas PAINE), Michaell ROCHFORD, Joseph HACKNEY, Thomas JONES who married Jane GRAY (administratrix of Alexander WINSORE)), Garrett VANSWERINGEN, Robert HARPER (chirurgeon), Mr. Clement HILL, Ola CHRISTIAN, Mr. Robert CARVILE, George WALKER, Edward JOLLEY, (dead), Nathaniel GARRET (runaway), Henry SMITH (dead), Daniel CLOCKER, Sr., (dead), Christopher JACOB (runaway), Roger SHERLING, Daniel CLOCKER, Jr. Mentions: orphans, unnamed. Admin.: Thomas SPINKE. (APC 1674-78, p. 63 from CD 206) There is a SMALPECE family in the Visitation of Norfolk 1563, 1589, 1615, p. 251. More About JANE SMALLPEECE: Burial: orphans unnamed 1678 Children of THOMAS PAYNE and JANE SMALLPEECE are: i. ELIZABETH3 PAYNE, b. Abt. 1657. ii. SARAH PAYNE, b. Abt. 1659. iii. MARY PAYNE, b. Abt. 1661. 2. iv. ISAAC PAYNE, b. Aft. 1664, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. 1713, St. Mary's Co., MD. v. HANNAH PAYNE, b. Abt. 1666. vi. JOSEPH PAYNE, b. Aft. 1668*2*. 3. vii. RACHEL PAYNE, b. Abt. 1671, St. Mary's Co., MD. *Generation No. 2* *2.* ISAAC3 PAYNE* (T**HOMAS*2*, M**AISTER*1*)* was born Aft. 1664 in St. Mary's Co., MD*3*, and died 1713 in St. Mary's Co., MD. He married SARAH S MITH, daughter of HENRY SMITH and ANN AUTHORS. She died Bef. 1713 in St. Mary's Co., MD. Notes for ISAAC PAYNE: 20 Sept. - 18 Oct. 1694 Isaack "P/" PAINE and *Robert DRURY*, residents of the city of St. Maries were among signers of a petition to his Exellency Ffrancis NICHOLSON, Esq., Cap. Gen. and Chiefe in & over this their Majesties Province and Territory of Maryland, the House of Burgesses and presented at the Maryland Assembly Proceedings, regarding the placement of the seat of the provincial goverment. It had originally been in St. Mary's County, where the citizens purchased land in 1662, then built a state house by 1674, only to have the governmental seat suddenly removed to Anne Arundel Co. because of Puritan influence. The St. Marie's residents are attempting to have the government returned to St. Mary's Co. (Arch. of MD, Vol. 19, pp. 70-75) 14 March 1712 - 28 March 1713 Will of Isaak PAYNE, St. Mary's Co. To son, Thomas and hrs. dwelling plantation ___; he dying without issue, to 2 daughters, Hannah and Sarah. To two daughters, Hannah and Sarah, aforesaid, and their heirs, tract in *Coursey's Neck*, "Riders" and "Broadneck," equally. Should either daughter die without issue, portion of deceased to survivor; should both die without issue, to pass to son, Thomas. To three children afsd, residue of personal estate. Daughter Hannah to care of son Thomas so long as she is lame and unmarried. Ex.: Richard GRIFFEN. Test.: Wm. JOHNSON, John LANGLEY, John MACKINTOSH, Wm. NOULAND. 15.86 MCW Vol. 4, p. 201 6 May 1713 Inv. Isaac PAINE, 34.120 St. Mary's Co. 97.8.8. Appr.: Jno. LANGLEY, Darby CARTER. Next of kin: Thomas GRIFFEN, Wm. COLLER, John ARTHEE. (APC 1711-1713, p. 64 CD 206) Children of ISAAC PAYNE and SARAH SMITH are: i. THOMAS4 PAYNE, b. Abt. 1698, St Mary Co., MD; d. Bef. April 14, 1749, St Mary Co., MD; m. ELIZABETH ???. 1748 Will of Thomas PAYN St. Mary's Co. Lib. 25 Folio 277 14 Apr. 1749 Acct. of Estate of Thomas PAYN, 26.46 St. Mary's Co. £130.15.7. £154.15.11 Widow Joseph and other children names and ages provided. Adm. Elizabeth PAYN. (APC ) ii. HANNAH PAYNE, b. Abt. 1700. iii. SARAH PAYNE, b. Abt. 1702. *3.* RACHEL3 PAYNE* (T**HOMAS*2*, M**AISTER*1*)* was born Abt. 1671 in St. Mary's Co., MD*4*. She married (1) ARTHUR KERSE Bef. 1690 in St. Mary's Co.. He was born in Coursey?, and died Abt. 1700 in St Mary Co., MD. She married (2) *J**OHN** D**RURY* [not sure about this!] Bet. 1695 - 1704 in St. Mary's Co., MD, son of ROBERT DRURY and MISTRESS DRURY. He was born Abt. 1672 in SMC, and died 1724 in "Howard's Mount" SMC*5*. Notes for RACHEL PAYNE: 24 July 1663 - 3 Oct. 1673 Will of John REYNOLDS*, St. Jerome's, St. Mary's Co., MD To Isaac, Joseph and Rachel PAINE, to young dau. of Edward JOLLY, Thomas JAMES, and Thomas LOCKER, personalty. Exs. Wm. CLAW, John SMALLPEECE, Test: Richard CHAPMAN, Nicholas GUITHER. 1. 557 Now Linda Reno has her married to John Kerse. Mary Ford who married our *John Drury* had been previously married to Jonathon Seale and he was the one who died by 1714. If Rachel was married to DRURY it would have been before 11 January 1716/17, when ... So if *John Drury* was married to Rachel Payne it would have to have been between 1695 and about 1704. This IS possible but then what do we do about her marriage to John Kerse? It would help if we could get verification and a close date for that marriage. 9/11/1700 Admin. accts. of Arthur KERSE (Planter), SMC, Payments to Gilbert Turberville for Mr. Cheseldine and *Rachel Kerse*; * Admr., Isaac Payne* (Skinner). (Reno 4/2/2002 ) . "I think the John DRURY who died in 1726 and the Robert he who owed money to, may have been the sons of the original Robert DRURY." no signature to this note. (letter from Joe Dora to Tim O'Rourke, ) 5 March 1707 John DREWRY (with his mark) witnessed the will of William SHERCLIFFE. Again on 1 July 1707 John DRURY and James MARTIN, two of the witnesses, made oath in Court that they saw William sign his will. *John Drury had possession of "Howard's Mount" (land of Payne family, 1718). * * 1717 John DRURY, Henry SPINKE and James WARRICK witnessed the will of Charles PAYNE, 14.655 (MCW, Vol. 4, p. 174) * * Jan. 11, 1717 Will of Charles PAYNE, SM * * Next of kin: Ezekiel PAYNE and JOHN DRURY** * 11 Jan. 1717 Account of Charles PAYNE, St. Mary's Co., MD Appraisers: Henry SPINKE, Francis SPINKE Creditors: John BOULD, Francis NEAVITT * Next of kin: Ezekial PAYNE, John DRUREY* Lib. 39C (or 390), Folio 187. 22 April 1724 - John DRURY, his Administrative bond in common form by Mary DRURY, his administer, with Robert FFORD and John FFORD, Jr. her sureties in 200 pounds. [Prerogative Ct. (Test. Proceedings), 27 (MdHR 983), p. 38 ] June 2, 1724 June 2, 1724 Estate of John DRURY, 9.451 St. Mary's Co., £56.19.1 Appraisers: William SPALDING, John MILES Creditors: Robert FORD, Sr., Robert CLARKE, Jr. Next of kin: Robert FORD, John FORD, Jr. Administratrix: Mary DRURY. May 4, 1726 John DRURY 7.333 Account SM £56.19.1 £19.2.1 Received from: William SHIRTCLIFF, Payments to: George BIRCH, James BAILEY, Robert FORD, Sr., John ABELL, Robert DRURY, Robert CLARK, Jr. Administratrix: Mary DRURY ("Abstracts of the Administration Accounts of the Prerogative Court Maryland" Libers 6-10, 1724-1731 by V. L. Skinner, Jr. Page 48 ) Children of *RACHEL PAYNE *and JOHN DRURY are: [needs verification!] i. ROBERT4 DRURY, b. Abt. 1698, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Bet. 1772 - 1774, "Howard's Mount"; m. MARY MARGARET. Notes for ROBERT DRURY: Did John who died in 1724 have a son, Robert?? If so which Robert DRURY? Witnesses of the will of Thomas PAIN, 1731, were: *Robert DREWRY,* James THOMPSON, and Leonard PAIN. Wife, Tecla. In the inventory of Thomas PAYNE'S estate, *John DRURY, son of Robert DRURY, was named as next of kin. * * * * HOW ARE THEY RELATED? Was Tecla a Drury?* Robert DRURY, 1714, SM, was a creditor of Anne HAYWOOD. 1753 Robert DRURY rent* for 40 acres of "Howard's Mount", p. 18. 1754 Robert DRURY rent* for 40 acres of "Howard's Mount", p. 56. 1755 Robert DRURY rent* for 40 acres of "Howard's Mount", p. 94. 1756 Robert DRURY rent* for 40 acres of "Howard's Mount", p. 133. 1757 Robert DRURY rent* for 40 acres of "Howard's Mount", p. 173. 1758 Robert DRURY rent* for 40 acres of "Howard's Mount", p. 215. * The Debt Books show the names of the persons who rented land from the Proprietor. Even though the land was granted to an individual, the land was still owned by the Proprietor. Since St. Mary's County was a burned county these records are valuable in the absence of any other deeds, etc. ("Debt Books of St. Mary's County, Maryland, 1753-1758," Reno, Linda Davis, St. Mary's County Historical Society, 1995)." ("Debt Books of St. Mary's County, Maryland, 1753-1758," Reno, p. 18) iii. JOHN DRURY, JR., b. Abt. 1702, SMC*9*; d. Aft. June 1781, ? Elizabeth City County, Virginia*10*; Adopted child; m. SUSANNAH HAYDEN, December 10, 1734, Newtown Hundred, SMC*11*; b. Abt. 1711, SMC*12*; d. Aft. 1777, ? SMC / ? Elizabeth City County, Virginia. Notes for JOHN DRURY, JR.: * 9 Mar. 1752 John DRURY*, along with John and Henry SHURCLIFF, *Thomas PAYN, Peter PAYN.* Thomas CISSELL, John Baptist CARBARY, received from estate of James THOMPSON, St. Marys Co. (APC 1750-1754, p. 65, CD#206) *Endnotes* 1. Vol. 67, fol. 154, *Archives of Maryland*, (These records are now online at Archives of Maryland website.), Exact date of death given. 2. He and his brother were under age 18 in their father's will. 3. He was under 18 when his father died. 4. She was named Rachel PAINE in the will of John REYNOLDS in 1663. BUT Is this the Rachel who married John DRURY? 5. Colonial Settlers St. Clement's Bay 1634-1780 St. Mary's Co, Md, Mary Louise Donnelly, p. 83."On 6/2/1724 Mary admin. the estate of John DRURY. 6. 1646 Thompson Dr., Apt. D, Owensboro, KY 42301-3478, *Hayden files of Francis Lovejoy Thompson*, (Letter to Pat Obrist Dec, 13 1996). 7. 1646 Thompson Drive, Apt. D., Owensboro, KY 42301-3478, *Files of Frances Thompson Lovejoy*, (Letter written 14 Dec. 1996 to Patricia Bishop Obrist). 8. Notes from Florence Thompson Lovejoy, Dec. 1996. 1646 Thompson Drive, Apt. D, Owensboro, KY 42301-3478. 9. O'Rourke, Timothy J., *Maryland Catholics on the Frontier*, (Brefney Press, orig. pub. 1973, sec. pr. 1980.), O'Rourke states he was born in 1712. 10. O'Rourke, Timothy, *Catholic Families of Southern Maryland*, (Genealogical Pub. Co., 1985), p. 39. 11. O'Rourke, Timothy J., *Maryland Catholics on the Frontier*, (Brefney Press, orig. pub. 1973, sec. pr. 1980.), p. 837, Father James WHITGREAVE, S. J., recorded the marriage of John DRURY and Susan HAYDEN at Newtown, Maryland. 10 Dec. 1734. 12. 1646 Thompson Drive, Apt. D., Owensboro, KY 42301-3478, *Files of Frances Thompson Lovejoy*, (Letter written 14 Dec. 1996 to Patricia Bishop Obrist). 13. Peter Drury.FBK, Date of Import: Oct 5, 2010. 14. Don Drury's research. 15. Will of Peter Drury, 4/10/1771 - Perogative court Records pg. 72, Peter Drury, 106.380 SM L41.6.11 4/10/1771. 16. Peter Drury.FBK, Date of Import: Oct 5, 2010. 17. Nora Drury, Private communication. 18. Peter Drury.FBK, Date of Import: Oct 5, 2010. Patricia Bishop Obrist, O"Fallon, MO.