Yes, thanks Betty, I have those references. This was my original post and I had an O-Brien person with info/ lineage I was trying to relocate via a Rootsweb post. I lost track of her back in March of this year and didn't get her email address. This is the best current theory and I hoped to put this issue "to bed" by eliminating all other Eleanor Bryan possibilities. 1) The will of William Bryan of St. Mary's county naming a daughter Eleanor Bryan. 2) Samuel Abell had a wife Eleanor, per his will and at probate she elected her dower 1/3ds in 1777. 3) Samuel Abell settled the estate of William Bryan. 4) Abells and Bryans lived in close proximity in Beaverdam manor. 5) Ellen and Sam Abell are baptizing negro slaves in 1767 and 1770 (Beitzell-Jesuit Missions p109, 114) 5) There is an Eleanor Abell Sr. and Eleanor Abell Jr. in St. Aloysius records of "Solidarity of the the Sacred Heart of Jesus" (Beitzell-Jesuit Missions p150.) 6) Eleanor Abell dau. of Henry Bryan m. Philip Miles ca 1770. This Eleanor Abell is the niece of the elder Eleanor per Linda Reno. Eleanor Abell's maiden name is tradition and has been given as: O'Brian in Spalding Memorial copyr 1897-no sources are cited. Eleanor O'Bryan - Clements "Origins of Clements-Spalding" 1928 O'Bryan in O'Daniel's "Snatches" 1933- no sources are cited- he assume she was of immigrant Philip O'Bryan of Mathias- which is incorrect. Ellen O'Brien in Mills "Peter Mills & Mary Shirtcliffe 1936- cites Webb, Catholicity in KY p109 Finally- Elinore O'Brien Abel in DAR records (I have also seen it as Brian(t) but I forget where!) Does anyone know the source of the record that proved the Ellinore O'Brien Abel spelling for the DAR? Mary Newcomb is the earliest member to submit this ancestor, perhaps there was more than a family "tradition" to this spelling? I guess i need to get to Washington DC next. < , |/ < ' /|   Kat Mills   --- On Tue, 1/1/13, betty parsons lieber <dencyh24@yahoo.com> wrote: From: betty parsons lieber <dencyh24@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] O'Bryan in Maryland To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, January 1, 2013, 4:23 PM Two books indicate Eleanor O'Bryan's father is Philip, son of Matthias, son of Matthias O'Bryan.  Snatches of O'Daniel, Hamilton, and allied ancestry and history in Maryland and Kentucky Somerset, Ohio: Rosary Press, 1933, 103 pgs Origins of Clements-Spalding and allied families of Maryland and Kentucky Authors: Clements, J. W. S. City of Publication: Louisville Publisher: Standard Press Date: 1928   I have these books if you need more information.   Also, if anyone has a library connection, you can get an ID to access Heritage Quest which is where I got the two referenced books.   Happy New Year to you all,   Betty --- On Thu, 12/20/12, K Mills <justwannabe_kat@yahoo.com> wrote: From: K Mills <justwannabe_kat@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] O'Bryan in Maryland To: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com, mdstmary@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, December 20, 2012, 7:53 AM Would love to swap info. Trying to settle an age old question of whether my ancestress Eleanor O'Bryan was related to Phillip or William. She and Samuel Abell had children in St. Mary's County, MD, Many Abells left for Nelson then Washington County, KY ca 1790. Being female with no will or land of her own, she was only mentioned in the early Catholic records as godparent at birth of slaves in Jesuit archives. Sorting out the O'Bryans has been a headache. I have direct Irish Ancestry from Co. Roscommon from another line, so this would be fun. < , |/ < ' /|     Kat Mills    --- On Wed, 12/19/12, gc-gateway@rootsweb.com <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> wrote: From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] O'Bryan in Maryland To: MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, December 19, 2012, 9:21 PM This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: TheresaOBryanWilson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.stmarys/410.1701.6.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I received entire chart from my brother (deceased 1/12) of our line of O'Bryans from Co Armagh, to MD, Nelson Co, finally Daviess County, KY. Have been trying to find out more about the Ship Russ and any info on Philip O'Bryan's history in Ireland prior to immigrating to USA. 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I'm interested in the O'Bryan's of Charles Co. & how they (or how many) connections to the Carrico's of Charles Co. BROYNE [BRYAN], JOHN, Charles Co. 11 Oct 1757; 15 March 1758 To son William Broyn, 1 sh. To son James, 1 sh. To son Peter Broyn, 1 sh. To dau Jane Yates, 1 sh. Wife Catharine, extx. to whom I give the remainder of my estate. Wit: Ignatius Bagott, John Carries. 30. 451 Carries is actually Carrico Charles County Maryland Will Book B-1, 1782-1785; Page 273, John Obryan's Will. I, John Obryan of CC, am sick and weak of body but of perfect mind and memory. To my wife Mary Obryan - all my real and personal estate, during her widowhood or single life, and no longer. To my sons William Obryan and Charles Obryan - all my real and personal estate, to be equally divided between them after the death or marriage of their mother. Executrix: my wife Mary Obryan, executor: Basil Obryan. Signed Dec 29, 1783 - John Obryan. Wit - James Carrico son of John, Timothy (X his mark) Farrand. Probated on Feb 10, 1784 by the oath of the executrix and by the oath of the executor and by the oaths of both witnesses. Mary OBryan quitted her claim to the afd will, and elected thereof her dower or third part of sd estate, both real and personal. Before John Muschett, Reg. of wills Charles Co. MD deed book IB 10 folio 297 dated 6/5/1813 Rev. William, Mary Ann & Basil O'Bryan sell Bristol/Piney Level/Grays Enlargement to Waters, Thomas Gibbons & Vincent King I think this has to be the widow of John & son William. You mention Charles is in Hardin Co., KY? Not sure where Basil fits in, John had a brother Basil....... Not sure that John's father William's wife was Elizabeth Douglas, there were 2 William O'Bryan's in Charles Co., in this time frame. Ignatius O'Bryan s/o William married Rhoda Ann Wethington d/o Thomas Wethington & numerous children married Carrico's in KY. Basil O'Bryan s/o William married Eleanor Wethington d/o Thomas. Doesn't appear they moved to KY with other Wethingtons ca 1795. What happened to descendants Another daughter of Thomas Wethington Mary Wethington married William Carrico who was deceased by 1795. What happened to descendants. St. Mary's in Bryantown shows many godparents of O'bryan & Carrico in the early years: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~boorom/carrico/mdchurch1793_1861.html Linda Boorom a Carrico descendant ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamey McLoughlin" <jameymclo@comcast.net> To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] O'Bryan in Maryland > Hi All, > > Don, I think we spoke back when I was working on my line of O'Bryans as > well. William O'Bryan (1763) was my 3rd great grandfather and Lewis O'Bryan > was his brother. > > I based much of my research on a story my great grandmother told. She said > our O'Bryans were English, not Irish and the "O" had been dropped. She said > our first ancestor in Maryland was raised by a wealthy Col. > > According to a probate from Charles County in 1758 John Broyne died leaving > his wife Catherine, sons: William, James, and Peter, and daughter: Jane > Yates. > > If you look back to the inventory of Col John Bayne of Charles County in > 1700 and in a list of servants, a John Broyne is listed. So there is my > wealthy colonel. > > Then I find where Peter O'Bryan died PG County in 1793. William and Lewis > are listed as sons. (I have wondered if they left Maryland to Kentucky in > the second trip led by Clement Gardiner in 1800?) > > Back up to Peter's brother William. He married Elizabeth Douglass and they > had a son named John. This John died in Charles County in 1783. He left a > will and named a son Charles. Charles started the line of Brian's from > Hardin County, Kentucky. I descend from them as well. > > This is all just my Opinion. > > Regards, > Jamey McLoughlin > > -----Original Message----- > From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Donald Drury > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 12:58 PM > To: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com; mdstmary@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] O'Bryan in Maryland > > Hi to all, > > O'Bryans are not my direct line but they do connect with Drurys in Kentucky. > I have some data on their Maryland ancestors and would be glad to share. > > The immigrant to Kentucky I have is Lewis O'Bryan (1757-1835) who married > Mary Ann Blanford (1782-1846) d/o William Blanford (1756-1802) and Joanna > Pidgeon (?-aft 1879) > > Most of my data is on his descendants. > > Regards, > > Don Drury > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> > To: MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, December 31, 2012 8:00:01 AM > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] O'Bryan in Maryland > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: JeanneSwick84 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.s > tmarys/410.1701.6.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx > > > Message Board Post: > > I, too, descend from the O'Bryans in MD/KY and would be so so happy to have > your information. 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Hi List, Is it true that the last name of the Emma, who married Thomas Turner, is not known? I bet Linda knows! I have her as Emma Langworth, daughter of James Langworth and ?. She is my 8g's grandmother. My data is based on the following: "Gave deposition in 1661 that she was 35 yeas old.Widow of William Johnson(1st) and Thomas Turner (2nd). After the death of Thomas she had the Turner property re-surveyed as 550 acres of “St. Thomas”, 500 acres of “St. Barbara’s”, and 200 acres of “little St. Thomas”. John Bapthish Carberry II was apparantly the guardian of this paroberties (sic) for the Turner children and by 1715 all of this land was in the possession of the grandson, Thomas Turner(3). Of “St. Winifred’s”. Transported into Province in 1642 by Francis White (Patents 1:24). Purchased 500 acre tract of “St. Winifred” from Thomas Gerard. The Maryland Calendar of Wills, Volume I Wills from 1635 (Earliest Probated) to 1685 Pages 14-27 Johnson, William, St. Wynefrid's, St. Mary's Co., 7th June, 1656; -- -- --. To wife Emma and dau. Eliza: Johnson, entire estate if they, or either of them, arrive in England; if not, following division of property to be made: To neph. William Langworth, son of brother James Langworth, 500 A. “St. Wynefride.” To Roman Catholic Church, Emma Shanks, dau, of John Shanks of St. Clement's Bay, niece Mrs. Mary Langworth, sisters Agatha Langworth, Eliza: Price, Eliza: Morris, and mother, Mrs. Eliza: Morris, personalty. Ex., brother James Langworth. Test: Luke Gardner, Robt. Cole, Wm. Thompson. 1. 129. Editors: William Johnson immigrated in 1651 and was deceased by 1658 according to Land Records, Liber Q, Folio 19, which includes the information that Aemilia Johnson was the sister-in-law of James Langworth and by 1658, the relict of William Johnson (Gibb Amelia (Emma) did come to Maryland where she married 2nd Thomas Turner and 3rd William Roswell. See both James Langworth's and Thomas Turner's wills below. See also Combs &c. of St. Mary's, 1656-1699 " I hope Linda can confirm/correct/or add to this/ Cheers, Pete On 1/4/13 10:55 AM, John Dobricky wrote: > As always, Linda, your information is wonderful. I also think it is > great to have this information on the website because a LOT of > researchers have the list of marriages for Elizabeth Guibert that I > mentioned earlier--the marriages that were actually for Elizabeth > _________. And, I agree, the dates for the earlier marriages were too > early for Elizabeth Guibert. Do you have any idea who the other > Elizabeth was? > > On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Linda Reno<lindareno@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Sorry John, but we disagree. >> >> 1. Elizabeth Guibert, b. before 1679, was married twice--first to Thomas >> Turner, Jr. and second to John Baptist Carberry, Jr. (son of John Baptist >> Carberry, Sr. and first wife, Ann Thompson). She was still Elizabeth >> Carberry as late as 1733. >> >> Will of Thomas Turner, SMC 10/31/1696-2/15/1696. Son: Thomas, personal >> estate and 400 ac., pt. of "St. Thomas'". Son: Joshua, personal estate; 190 >> ac. "Audley End"; and 150 ac. residue of "St. Thomas'". Daughter: Monica, >> personal estate and 200 ac. "St. Dorothy's" on the w. side of St. Clement's >> Bay. To: Thomas Bencroft, Robert Thompson, and William Michell, personal >> estate. Wife: Elizabeth (Exec.) residuary legatee of estate, real and >> personal. Wit: Clement Hill, Sr., William Smith, Elizabeth Dash. (Maryland >> Calendar of Wills). >> >> Will of Joshua Guibert, St. Mary's Co., 2/26/1713-5/16/1713. Son: Thomas and >> heirs, dwelling plantation on St. Clement's Bay and lands adjoining thereto. >> Son: Matthew and heirs, "Guibert's Chance" and the addition to same near St. >> Clement's Bay. Son: Joshua and heirs, about 160 ac. "Tower Hill" in Charles >> County, also dwelling plantation afsd. should son Thomas die without issue. >> Daughter: Mary, personalty. Daughter: Eliza.: Carberry, personalty in >> addition to that given her when she married Thomas Turner. Daughter: Ann >> Blackston, personalty in addition to that given her when she married John >> Blackston. Wife: Elizabeth, life interest in dwelling plantation and lands >> devised Thomas afsd. Sons Thomas and Joshua afsd., exs., and residuary >> legatees. Wit.: William Walker, Frances Marritt, John Marritt. (Maryland >> Calendar of Wills). >> >> Elizabeth Carberry, living near St. Clement's Bay in SMC, reports a runaway >> mulatto slave called Matthew, sometimes called Matthew Masters or Matthew >> Fletcher, aged about 27 years. He can pass for a white man. (The Maryland >> Gazette, 3/16/1733). >> >> 2. Elizabeth, b. 1647 (maiden name unknown) was married four times. First, >> was Col. William Evans; second was John Jordan; third was Cuthbert Scott; >> and fourth was John Baptist Carberry, Sr. (widower of Ann Thompson and >> father of JBC, Jr.). >> >> 6/4/1679: William Evans d. 3/1669 seized of a parcel of land on the e. side >> of St. Clement's Bay which he devised by his will to his wife, Elizabeth. >> She married Capt. John Jordan who died about 9/8/1678. She married Cuthbert >> Scott 10/28/1678. (Extracts from Chancery Court Records of Maryland, >> 1669-1679, MD Gen. Soc. Bulletin, Fall 1994). >> >> Chancery Court Proceedings, 1679: And the Jurors do further upon their >> Oaths Say That the said Coll.° William Evans dyed So Seized and possessed of >> the Said Severall Tracts& parcells of Land haveing before his death made >> his last Will& Testam.t in writeing and therein devised the Said Lands by >> will bearing date the tenth day of ffebruary Annoq Domini 1667 as is here >> Expressed viz.t I Give and bequeath unto my Dear& Loveing wife Elizabeth >> Evans all my Lands Goods and Chattels and what (fol. 285) soever else that >> doth belong& appertain unto my Estate or of Right ought to belong or >> appertain thereto And the Jurors do Say that the Said William Evans deceased >> in march Anno Domini 1669 And the Jurors afores.d do upon their oaths >> further Say that Elizabeth Evans Entered into the Land& held the Same >> dureing her widowhood and after to witt in the month of may Anno Domini 1669 >> She Inter married w.th Capt Jn.° Jordain and they the Said John& Elizabeth >> in Right of Elizabeth his wife held the Same untill the Death of the Liber C >> D Said John Jourdain w.th was about the Eigth of September Anno Domini 1678 >> And the Jurors do further Say that from the time the Said Elizabeth Entered >> into the premisses& held the Same dureing her widowhood& after to witt the >> Twenty Eigth day of October Anno 1678 She Intermarried with m.r Cuthbert >> Scott w.ch Said Cuthbert and Elizabeth held and Enjoyed the Same in Right of >> Elizabeth and being So in possession thereof and being informed and advised >> that the last will& Testam.t of the Said Coll.° William Evans in Some part >> thereof is defective and that for want of the words to her and her heir for >> Ever proves only an Estate for life the words heirs& assigns for Ever being >> not Inserted in the Said Will as they Should have been to have made an >> Estate of Inheritance to his wife w.ch the Said Juro.rs do verily believe >> was his Intention they the Said Cuthbert Scott& Elizabeth his wife by their >> Deed bearing date the Eighteenth day of Aprill Annoq Domini 1679 for and in >> p. 233 Consideration of the Summ of thirty thousand pounds of Tobacco (fol. >> 285) in hand paid to them the Said Cuthbert& Elizabeth by the Right Hon.ble >> Charles Lord Baltemore did fully Clearly and absolutely Give Grant alien >> Bargain Sell& Confirm unto the Said Lord Baltemore his heirs and assigns >> for Ever all those pieces and parcells of Land herein these presents before >> Expressed and that by virtue thereof his Lordship became Seized of the Sd >> Lands and premisses dureing the life of the Said Elizabeth Scott by Virtue >> of the Said Deed from the Said Scott and his wife And the Jurors afores.d do >> further Say that the Lands& Tenem.ts are of value by the year in all issues >> the Sum of Sixteen hundred pounds of Tobacco& that they find no heir and >> that Cap.t John Jourdein& m.r Cuthbert Scott hath for the most part >> Occupied the Sd Lands& Tenem.ts from the time of the Death of the Said >> William Evans and the issue& profits thereof hath received and his >> Lordship's Rent for the Same hath paid And that the Said Cuthbert Scott and >> Elizabeth his wife doth now Enjoy the Same as Tennants to my (fol. 286) Lord >> Baltemore afs.d In Testimony whereof as well the Said Corn mission.rs as the >> Juro.rs aforesaid have hereunto Set their hands and affixed their Seals the >> day and year first above Written Clement Hill sealed rs d ommisson.rs >> (Archives of Maryland). >> >> 9/19/1692, Elizabeth, wife of John Baptist Carberry, relict and admix. of >> Cuthbert Scott, dec'd is now herself lately deceased intestate (Test. Pro. >> 14A:4). >> >> Linda Reno >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of John Dobricky >> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 8:45 AM >> To: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com; mdstmary@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Carberry's Discovery/Suttle's Rest >> >> Hi. One correction.....Elizabeth Guibert (daughter of Joshua Guibert >> I and Elizabeth Barber) had more than two husbands. Depending on who >> you talk to, her first husband was William Evans (although I think she >> was too young to have married him), her second husband was John >> Jourdain/Jordan, her third husband was Thomas Turner II, her fourth >> husband was Cuthbert Scott (that is how, John Baptist Carberry ended >> up with the 2,100 acres of "Hopton Park"), and her fifth husband was >> John Baptist Carberry. Of course, feedback, thoughts, and suggestions >> are always welcome. John Dobricky >> >> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 8:46 PM, gc-gateway@rootsweb.com >> <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >>> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >>> >>> Author: MarilynRoth58 >>> Surnames: >>> Classification: queries >>> >>> Message Board URL: >>> >>> >>> >> http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.s >> tmarys/4587.1/mb.ashx >> >>> Message Board Post: >>> >>> Perhaps the persons who posted information on Ancestry.com can help. >>> >> Several files have John Baptist CARBERRY, who was born in the 1660's& d. >> bef. 19 Nov. 1728, St. Mary's Co., MD, m. 1697 , St. Mary's Co., MD, >> Elizabeth GUIBERT, b. ca. 1670. He owned "Carberry's Discovery" by 1715. >> >>> The information is somewhat verified by Elise Greenup Jourdan's Early >>> >> Families of Southern Maryland. "St. Thomas," 550 acres, was surveyed for >> Emma TURNER in St. Clement's Hundred, 9 July 1663; also "St. Thomas," 550 >> acres in New Town Hundred, surveyed for Emma TURNER on east side of St. >> Thomas Run that falls into the main run of Choptico Bay. "Little St. >> Thomas," 200 acres, Choptico Hundred, surveyed 23 July 1664 for Emma TURNER >> near the main branch of Choptico; same patented 10 Oct. 1668 for Wm. >> ROSWELL. The above tracts were held in 1707 for TURNER orphans by John >> Baptist CARBERRY. >> >>> Relationships are difficult to state because of the use of terms such as >>> >> sister or brother to mean in-laws, but this seems to be the case: >> >>> Emma (maiden name unknown) m1. Thomas TURNER [Sr.]& m2. Wm. ROSWELL. >>> >> Thomas TURNER [Jr.] married as first husband of Elizabeth GUIBERT, dau/o >> Joshua& Elizabeth. Elizabeth, formerly wf/o Thomas TURNER, m2. 1697 John >> Baptist CARBERRY. >> >>> Maryland Calendar of Wills does not have a will for John B. Carberry in >>> >> 1728. However, there was an inventory of his estate 19 Nov. 1728& 6 Je. >> 1729, Mr. John Baptis CARBERY, 14.182. Next of kin Nicholas MILLS& Eleanor >> CARBERY, administrators Mrs. Elisabeth CARBERY& John Baptis CARBERY. >> >>> Somewhere along the line of owners of the property, there might have been >>> >> an abstract showing all of the prior owners. >> >>> --not my family >>> >>> Important Note: >>> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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As always, Linda, your information is wonderful. I also think it is great to have this information on the website because a LOT of researchers have the list of marriages for Elizabeth Guibert that I mentioned earlier--the marriages that were actually for Elizabeth _________. And, I agree, the dates for the earlier marriages were too early for Elizabeth Guibert. Do you have any idea who the other Elizabeth was? On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> wrote: > Sorry John, but we disagree. > > 1. Elizabeth Guibert, b. before 1679, was married twice--first to Thomas > Turner, Jr. and second to John Baptist Carberry, Jr. (son of John Baptist > Carberry, Sr. and first wife, Ann Thompson). She was still Elizabeth > Carberry as late as 1733. > > Will of Thomas Turner, SMC 10/31/1696-2/15/1696. Son: Thomas, personal > estate and 400 ac., pt. of "St. Thomas'". Son: Joshua, personal estate; 190 > ac. "Audley End"; and 150 ac. residue of "St. Thomas'". Daughter: Monica, > personal estate and 200 ac. "St. Dorothy's" on the w. side of St. Clement's > Bay. To: Thomas Bencroft, Robert Thompson, and William Michell, personal > estate. Wife: Elizabeth (Exec.) residuary legatee of estate, real and > personal. Wit: Clement Hill, Sr., William Smith, Elizabeth Dash. (Maryland > Calendar of Wills). > > Will of Joshua Guibert, St. Mary's Co., 2/26/1713-5/16/1713. Son: Thomas and > heirs, dwelling plantation on St. Clement's Bay and lands adjoining thereto. > Son: Matthew and heirs, "Guibert's Chance" and the addition to same near St. > Clement's Bay. Son: Joshua and heirs, about 160 ac. "Tower Hill" in Charles > County, also dwelling plantation afsd. should son Thomas die without issue. > Daughter: Mary, personalty. Daughter: Eliza.: Carberry, personalty in > addition to that given her when she married Thomas Turner. Daughter: Ann > Blackston, personalty in addition to that given her when she married John > Blackston. Wife: Elizabeth, life interest in dwelling plantation and lands > devised Thomas afsd. Sons Thomas and Joshua afsd., exs., and residuary > legatees. Wit.: William Walker, Frances Marritt, John Marritt. (Maryland > Calendar of Wills). > > Elizabeth Carberry, living near St. Clement's Bay in SMC, reports a runaway > mulatto slave called Matthew, sometimes called Matthew Masters or Matthew > Fletcher, aged about 27 years. He can pass for a white man. (The Maryland > Gazette, 3/16/1733). > > 2. Elizabeth, b. 1647 (maiden name unknown) was married four times. First, > was Col. William Evans; second was John Jordan; third was Cuthbert Scott; > and fourth was John Baptist Carberry, Sr. (widower of Ann Thompson and > father of JBC, Jr.). > > 6/4/1679: William Evans d. 3/1669 seized of a parcel of land on the e. side > of St. Clement's Bay which he devised by his will to his wife, Elizabeth. > She married Capt. John Jordan who died about 9/8/1678. She married Cuthbert > Scott 10/28/1678. (Extracts from Chancery Court Records of Maryland, > 1669-1679, MD Gen. Soc. Bulletin, Fall 1994). > > Chancery Court Proceedings, 1679: And the Jurors do further upon their > Oaths Say That the said Coll.° William Evans dyed So Seized and possessed of > the Said Severall Tracts & parcells of Land haveing before his death made > his last Will & Testam.t in writeing and therein devised the Said Lands by > will bearing date the tenth day of ffebruary Annoq Domini 1667 as is here > Expressed viz.t I Give and bequeath unto my Dear & Loveing wife Elizabeth > Evans all my Lands Goods and Chattels and what (fol. 285) soever else that > doth belong & appertain unto my Estate or of Right ought to belong or > appertain thereto And the Jurors do Say that the Said William Evans deceased > in march Anno Domini 1669 And the Jurors afores.d do upon their oaths > further Say that Elizabeth Evans Entered into the Land & held the Same > dureing her widowhood and after to witt in the month of may Anno Domini 1669 > She Inter married w.th Capt Jn.° Jordain and they the Said John & Elizabeth > in Right of Elizabeth his wife held the Same untill the Death of the Liber C > D Said John Jourdain w.th was about the Eigth of September Anno Domini 1678 > And the Jurors do further Say that from the time the Said Elizabeth Entered > into the premisses & held the Same dureing her widowhood & after to witt the > Twenty Eigth day of October Anno 1678 She Intermarried with m.r Cuthbert > Scott w.ch Said Cuthbert and Elizabeth held and Enjoyed the Same in Right of > Elizabeth and being So in possession thereof and being informed and advised > that the last will & Testam.t of the Said Coll.° William Evans in Some part > thereof is defective and that for want of the words to her and her heir for > Ever proves only an Estate for life the words heirs & assigns for Ever being > not Inserted in the Said Will as they Should have been to have made an > Estate of Inheritance to his wife w.ch the Said Juro.rs do verily believe > was his Intention they the Said Cuthbert Scott & Elizabeth his wife by their > Deed bearing date the Eighteenth day of Aprill Annoq Domini 1679 for and in > p. 233 Consideration of the Summ of thirty thousand pounds of Tobacco (fol. > 285) in hand paid to them the Said Cuthbert & Elizabeth by the Right Hon.ble > Charles Lord Baltemore did fully Clearly and absolutely Give Grant alien > Bargain Sell & Confirm unto the Said Lord Baltemore his heirs and assigns > for Ever all those pieces and parcells of Land herein these presents before > Expressed and that by virtue thereof his Lordship became Seized of the Sd > Lands and premisses dureing the life of the Said Elizabeth Scott by Virtue > of the Said Deed from the Said Scott and his wife And the Jurors afores.d do > further Say that the Lands & Tenem.ts are of value by the year in all issues > the Sum of Sixteen hundred pounds of Tobacco & that they find no heir and > that Cap.t John Jourdein & m.r Cuthbert Scott hath for the most part > Occupied the Sd Lands & Tenem.ts from the time of the Death of the Said > William Evans and the issue & profits thereof hath received and his > Lordship's Rent for the Same hath paid And that the Said Cuthbert Scott and > Elizabeth his wife doth now Enjoy the Same as Tennants to my (fol. 286) Lord > Baltemore afs.d In Testimony whereof as well the Said Corn mission.rs as the > Juro.rs aforesaid have hereunto Set their hands and affixed their Seals the > day and year first above Written Clement Hill sealed rs d ommisson.rs > (Archives of Maryland). > > 9/19/1692, Elizabeth, wife of John Baptist Carberry, relict and admix. of > Cuthbert Scott, dec'd is now herself lately deceased intestate (Test. Pro. > 14A:4). > > Linda Reno > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of John Dobricky > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 8:45 AM > To: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com; mdstmary@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Carberry's Discovery/Suttle's Rest > > Hi. One correction.....Elizabeth Guibert (daughter of Joshua Guibert > I and Elizabeth Barber) had more than two husbands. Depending on who > you talk to, her first husband was William Evans (although I think she > was too young to have married him), her second husband was John > Jourdain/Jordan, her third husband was Thomas Turner II, her fourth > husband was Cuthbert Scott (that is how, John Baptist Carberry ended > up with the 2,100 acres of "Hopton Park"), and her fifth husband was > John Baptist Carberry. Of course, feedback, thoughts, and suggestions > are always welcome. John Dobricky > > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 8:46 PM, gc-gateway@rootsweb.com > <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Author: MarilynRoth58 >> Surnames: >> Classification: queries >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.s > tmarys/4587.1/mb.ashx >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> Perhaps the persons who posted information on Ancestry.com can help. > Several files have John Baptist CARBERRY, who was born in the 1660's & d. > bef. 19 Nov. 1728, St. Mary's Co., MD, m. 1697 , St. Mary's Co., MD, > Elizabeth GUIBERT, b. ca. 1670. He owned "Carberry's Discovery" by 1715. >> >> The information is somewhat verified by Elise Greenup Jourdan's Early > Families of Southern Maryland. "St. Thomas," 550 acres, was surveyed for > Emma TURNER in St. Clement's Hundred, 9 July 1663; also "St. Thomas," 550 > acres in New Town Hundred, surveyed for Emma TURNER on east side of St. > Thomas Run that falls into the main run of Choptico Bay. "Little St. > Thomas," 200 acres, Choptico Hundred, surveyed 23 July 1664 for Emma TURNER > near the main branch of Choptico; same patented 10 Oct. 1668 for Wm. > ROSWELL. The above tracts were held in 1707 for TURNER orphans by John > Baptist CARBERRY. >> >> Relationships are difficult to state because of the use of terms such as > sister or brother to mean in-laws, but this seems to be the case: >> >> Emma (maiden name unknown) m1. Thomas TURNER [Sr.] & m2. Wm. ROSWELL. > Thomas TURNER [Jr.] married as first husband of Elizabeth GUIBERT, dau/o > Joshua & Elizabeth. Elizabeth, formerly wf/o Thomas TURNER, m2. 1697 John > Baptist CARBERRY. >> >> Maryland Calendar of Wills does not have a will for John B. Carberry in > 1728. However, there was an inventory of his estate 19 Nov. 1728 & 6 Je. > 1729, Mr. John Baptis CARBERY, 14.182. Next of kin Nicholas MILLS & Eleanor > CARBERY, administrators Mrs. Elisabeth CARBERY & John Baptis CARBERY. >> >> Somewhere along the line of owners of the property, there might have been > an abstract showing all of the prior owners. >> >> --not my family >> >> Important Note: >> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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Sorry John, but we disagree. 1. Elizabeth Guibert, b. before 1679, was married twice--first to Thomas Turner, Jr. and second to John Baptist Carberry, Jr. (son of John Baptist Carberry, Sr. and first wife, Ann Thompson). She was still Elizabeth Carberry as late as 1733. Will of Thomas Turner, SMC 10/31/1696-2/15/1696. Son: Thomas, personal estate and 400 ac., pt. of "St. Thomas'". Son: Joshua, personal estate; 190 ac. "Audley End"; and 150 ac. residue of "St. Thomas'". Daughter: Monica, personal estate and 200 ac. "St. Dorothy's" on the w. side of St. Clement's Bay. To: Thomas Bencroft, Robert Thompson, and William Michell, personal estate. Wife: Elizabeth (Exec.) residuary legatee of estate, real and personal. Wit: Clement Hill, Sr., William Smith, Elizabeth Dash. (Maryland Calendar of Wills). Will of Joshua Guibert, St. Mary's Co., 2/26/1713-5/16/1713. Son: Thomas and heirs, dwelling plantation on St. Clement's Bay and lands adjoining thereto. Son: Matthew and heirs, "Guibert's Chance" and the addition to same near St. Clement's Bay. Son: Joshua and heirs, about 160 ac. "Tower Hill" in Charles County, also dwelling plantation afsd. should son Thomas die without issue. Daughter: Mary, personalty. Daughter: Eliza.: Carberry, personalty in addition to that given her when she married Thomas Turner. Daughter: Ann Blackston, personalty in addition to that given her when she married John Blackston. Wife: Elizabeth, life interest in dwelling plantation and lands devised Thomas afsd. Sons Thomas and Joshua afsd., exs., and residuary legatees. Wit.: William Walker, Frances Marritt, John Marritt. (Maryland Calendar of Wills). Elizabeth Carberry, living near St. Clement's Bay in SMC, reports a runaway mulatto slave called Matthew, sometimes called Matthew Masters or Matthew Fletcher, aged about 27 years. He can pass for a white man. (The Maryland Gazette, 3/16/1733). 2. Elizabeth, b. 1647 (maiden name unknown) was married four times. First, was Col. William Evans; second was John Jordan; third was Cuthbert Scott; and fourth was John Baptist Carberry, Sr. (widower of Ann Thompson and father of JBC, Jr.). 6/4/1679: William Evans d. 3/1669 seized of a parcel of land on the e. side of St. Clement's Bay which he devised by his will to his wife, Elizabeth. She married Capt. John Jordan who died about 9/8/1678. She married Cuthbert Scott 10/28/1678. (Extracts from Chancery Court Records of Maryland, 1669-1679, MD Gen. Soc. Bulletin, Fall 1994). Chancery Court Proceedings, 1679: And the Jurors do further upon their Oaths Say That the said Coll.° William Evans dyed So Seized and possessed of the Said Severall Tracts & parcells of Land haveing before his death made his last Will & Testam.t in writeing and therein devised the Said Lands by will bearing date the tenth day of ffebruary Annoq Domini 1667 as is here Expressed viz.t I Give and bequeath unto my Dear & Loveing wife Elizabeth Evans all my Lands Goods and Chattels and what (fol. 285) soever else that doth belong & appertain unto my Estate or of Right ought to belong or appertain thereto And the Jurors do Say that the Said William Evans deceased in march Anno Domini 1669 And the Jurors afores.d do upon their oaths further Say that Elizabeth Evans Entered into the Land & held the Same dureing her widowhood and after to witt in the month of may Anno Domini 1669 She Inter married w.th Capt Jn.° Jordain and they the Said John & Elizabeth in Right of Elizabeth his wife held the Same untill the Death of the Liber C D Said John Jourdain w.th was about the Eigth of September Anno Domini 1678 And the Jurors do further Say that from the time the Said Elizabeth Entered into the premisses & held the Same dureing her widowhood & after to witt the Twenty Eigth day of October Anno 1678 She Intermarried with m.r Cuthbert Scott w.ch Said Cuthbert and Elizabeth held and Enjoyed the Same in Right of Elizabeth and being So in possession thereof and being informed and advised that the last will & Testam.t of the Said Coll.° William Evans in Some part thereof is defective and that for want of the words to her and her heir for Ever proves only an Estate for life the words heirs & assigns for Ever being not Inserted in the Said Will as they Should have been to have made an Estate of Inheritance to his wife w.ch the Said Juro.rs do verily believe was his Intention they the Said Cuthbert Scott & Elizabeth his wife by their Deed bearing date the Eighteenth day of Aprill Annoq Domini 1679 for and in p. 233 Consideration of the Summ of thirty thousand pounds of Tobacco (fol. 285) in hand paid to them the Said Cuthbert & Elizabeth by the Right Hon.ble Charles Lord Baltemore did fully Clearly and absolutely Give Grant alien Bargain Sell & Confirm unto the Said Lord Baltemore his heirs and assigns for Ever all those pieces and parcells of Land herein these presents before Expressed and that by virtue thereof his Lordship became Seized of the Sd Lands and premisses dureing the life of the Said Elizabeth Scott by Virtue of the Said Deed from the Said Scott and his wife And the Jurors afores.d do further Say that the Lands & Tenem.ts are of value by the year in all issues the Sum of Sixteen hundred pounds of Tobacco & that they find no heir and that Cap.t John Jourdein & m.r Cuthbert Scott hath for the most part Occupied the Sd Lands & Tenem.ts from the time of the Death of the Said William Evans and the issue & profits thereof hath received and his Lordship's Rent for the Same hath paid And that the Said Cuthbert Scott and Elizabeth his wife doth now Enjoy the Same as Tennants to my (fol. 286) Lord Baltemore afs.d In Testimony whereof as well the Said Corn mission.rs as the Juro.rs aforesaid have hereunto Set their hands and affixed their Seals the day and year first above Written Clement Hill sealed rs d ommisson.rs (Archives of Maryland). 9/19/1692, Elizabeth, wife of John Baptist Carberry, relict and admix. of Cuthbert Scott, dec'd is now herself lately deceased intestate (Test. Pro. 14A:4). Linda Reno -----Original Message----- From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Dobricky Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 8:45 AM To: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com; mdstmary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Carberry's Discovery/Suttle's Rest Hi. One correction.....Elizabeth Guibert (daughter of Joshua Guibert I and Elizabeth Barber) had more than two husbands. Depending on who you talk to, her first husband was William Evans (although I think she was too young to have married him), her second husband was John Jourdain/Jordan, her third husband was Thomas Turner II, her fourth husband was Cuthbert Scott (that is how, John Baptist Carberry ended up with the 2,100 acres of "Hopton Park"), and her fifth husband was John Baptist Carberry. Of course, feedback, thoughts, and suggestions are always welcome. John Dobricky On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 8:46 PM, gc-gateway@rootsweb.com <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: MarilynRoth58 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.s tmarys/4587.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Perhaps the persons who posted information on Ancestry.com can help. Several files have John Baptist CARBERRY, who was born in the 1660's & d. bef. 19 Nov. 1728, St. Mary's Co., MD, m. 1697 , St. Mary's Co., MD, Elizabeth GUIBERT, b. ca. 1670. He owned "Carberry's Discovery" by 1715. > > The information is somewhat verified by Elise Greenup Jourdan's Early Families of Southern Maryland. "St. Thomas," 550 acres, was surveyed for Emma TURNER in St. Clement's Hundred, 9 July 1663; also "St. Thomas," 550 acres in New Town Hundred, surveyed for Emma TURNER on east side of St. Thomas Run that falls into the main run of Choptico Bay. "Little St. Thomas," 200 acres, Choptico Hundred, surveyed 23 July 1664 for Emma TURNER near the main branch of Choptico; same patented 10 Oct. 1668 for Wm. ROSWELL. The above tracts were held in 1707 for TURNER orphans by John Baptist CARBERRY. > > Relationships are difficult to state because of the use of terms such as sister or brother to mean in-laws, but this seems to be the case: > > Emma (maiden name unknown) m1. Thomas TURNER [Sr.] & m2. Wm. ROSWELL. Thomas TURNER [Jr.] married as first husband of Elizabeth GUIBERT, dau/o Joshua & Elizabeth. Elizabeth, formerly wf/o Thomas TURNER, m2. 1697 John Baptist CARBERRY. > > Maryland Calendar of Wills does not have a will for John B. Carberry in 1728. However, there was an inventory of his estate 19 Nov. 1728 & 6 Je. 1729, Mr. John Baptis CARBERY, 14.182. Next of kin Nicholas MILLS & Eleanor CARBERY, administrators Mrs. Elisabeth CARBERY & John Baptis CARBERY. > > Somewhere along the line of owners of the property, there might have been an abstract showing all of the prior owners. > > --not my family > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi. One correction.....Elizabeth Guibert (daughter of Joshua Guibert I and Elizabeth Barber) had more than two husbands. Depending on who you talk to, her first husband was William Evans (although I think she was too young to have married him), her second husband was John Jourdain/Jordan, her third husband was Thomas Turner II, her fourth husband was Cuthbert Scott (that is how, John Baptist Carberry ended up with the 2,100 acres of "Hopton Park"), and her fifth husband was John Baptist Carberry. Of course, feedback, thoughts, and suggestions are always welcome. John Dobricky On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 8:46 PM, gc-gateway@rootsweb.com <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: MarilynRoth58 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.stmarys/4587.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Perhaps the persons who posted information on Ancestry.com can help. Several files have John Baptist CARBERRY, who was born in the 1660's & d. bef. 19 Nov. 1728, St. Mary's Co., MD, m. 1697 , St. Mary's Co., MD, Elizabeth GUIBERT, b. ca. 1670. He owned "Carberry's Discovery" by 1715. > > The information is somewhat verified by Elise Greenup Jourdan's Early Families of Southern Maryland. "St. Thomas," 550 acres, was surveyed for Emma TURNER in St. Clement's Hundred, 9 July 1663; also "St. Thomas," 550 acres in New Town Hundred, surveyed for Emma TURNER on east side of St. Thomas Run that falls into the main run of Choptico Bay. "Little St. Thomas," 200 acres, Choptico Hundred, surveyed 23 July 1664 for Emma TURNER near the main branch of Choptico; same patented 10 Oct. 1668 for Wm. ROSWELL. The above tracts were held in 1707 for TURNER orphans by John Baptist CARBERRY. > > Relationships are difficult to state because of the use of terms such as sister or brother to mean in-laws, but this seems to be the case: > > Emma (maiden name unknown) m1. Thomas TURNER [Sr.] & m2. Wm. ROSWELL. Thomas TURNER [Jr.] married as first husband of Elizabeth GUIBERT, dau/o Joshua & Elizabeth. Elizabeth, formerly wf/o Thomas TURNER, m2. 1697 John Baptist CARBERRY. > > Maryland Calendar of Wills does not have a will for John B. Carberry in 1728. However, there was an inventory of his estate 19 Nov. 1728 & 6 Je. 1729, Mr. John Baptis CARBERY, 14.182. Next of kin Nicholas MILLS & Eleanor CARBERY, administrators Mrs. Elisabeth CARBERY & John Baptis CARBERY. > > Somewhere along the line of owners of the property, there might have been an abstract showing all of the prior owners. > > --not my family > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MarilynRoth58 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.stmarys/4587.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Perhaps the persons who posted information on Ancestry.com can help. Several files have John Baptist CARBERRY, who was born in the 1660's & d. bef. 19 Nov. 1728, St. Mary's Co., MD, m. 1697 , St. Mary's Co., MD, Elizabeth GUIBERT, b. ca. 1670. He owned "Carberry's Discovery" by 1715. The information is somewhat verified by Elise Greenup Jourdan's Early Families of Southern Maryland. "St. Thomas," 550 acres, was surveyed for Emma TURNER in St. Clement's Hundred, 9 July 1663; also "St. Thomas," 550 acres in New Town Hundred, surveyed for Emma TURNER on east side of St. Thomas Run that falls into the main run of Choptico Bay. "Little St. Thomas," 200 acres, Choptico Hundred, surveyed 23 July 1664 for Emma TURNER near the main branch of Choptico; same patented 10 Oct. 1668 for Wm. ROSWELL. The above tracts were held in 1707 for TURNER orphans by John Baptist CARBERRY. Relationships are difficult to state because of the use of terms such as sister or brother to mean in-laws, but this seems to be the case: Emma (maiden name unknown) m1. Thomas TURNER [Sr.] & m2. Wm. ROSWELL. Thomas TURNER [Jr.] married as first husband of Elizabeth GUIBERT, dau/o Joshua & Elizabeth. Elizabeth, formerly wf/o Thomas TURNER, m2. 1697 John Baptist CARBERRY. Maryland Calendar of Wills does not have a will for John B. Carberry in 1728. However, there was an inventory of his estate 19 Nov. 1728 & 6 Je. 1729, Mr. John Baptis CARBERY, 14.182. Next of kin Nicholas MILLS & Eleanor CARBERY, administrators Mrs. Elisabeth CARBERY & John Baptis CARBERY. Somewhere along the line of owners of the property, there might have been an abstract showing all of the prior owners. --not my family Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Don, I think I have been down this road before and have the 2 John Edwards mixed up. In any case here is the will of John Edwards (d. 1784) whose daughter, Elizabeth Turner, married Thomas Edwards. Will of John Edwards JJ#1 f279 3/1784; prob. 7/29/1784 Son, Stourten Edwards "Tainton Dean" Son, John the land devised to my wife after her death. 3 daus.: Elizabeth Turner Edwards, Mary Magdalene Dent, Susanna Edwards. Son-in-law Thomas Edwards 1/3 my mill until my son, John reaches age 21. Wife, Sarah Edwards "Wednesday's Project", "Higgs His Purchase" & "Edwards Backland with Addition" Granddau.: Sarah Dent Grandson: Elkanah Edwards Exec is wife, Sarah Edwards witn: Benjamin Edwards, Benjamin Suit, George Dent Randy On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:26 AM, C Greenwell <cgreenwell01@gmail.com> wrote: > I have her as the daughter of John Edwards and Sarah Reeves. > > Final Account of John Edwards, CC Accounts 1791-1798, p. 334; 31 Oct 1796 > Admin: Sarah Edwards > To: Due to Ann Sothoron tobacco due form note dated 22 Aug 1789 > To: Due to Samuel Morton > To: Due to Dr. Basil Warring > To: Due to Briscoe and Hammerly > To: Due to William Cartwright > To: Due to Jerimiah Jordon > To: Due to John Forbes > To: Due to Dyson and Cooksley > To: Due to Sheriff > To; Due to John Muschett > To: Widow 1/3 > To: 7 children, Susanna, Elizabeth Turner, Eleanor Wilson, Mary, Anna, > Jean, Charles; the first 2 of age and the rest under aged. > (Source: My Transscription) > > Randy > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Donald Drury <ddrury5840@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> Thanks Linda. >> >> Now does anyone else have any information about the parents of Elizabeth T. >> Edwards who died 11/7/1850 in Mercer County Kentucky? >> >> Thanks to all, >> >> Don >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> >> To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Wed, January 2, 2013 9:57:23 AM >> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Elizabeth T. Edwards >> >> Don, >> >> The answer is no. Elizabeth Turner Edwards died prior to 1804 as Thomas >> Edwards married Jemima Dickens 10 Feb 1804. Thomas Edwards died about 1812. >> >> >From Judith Burger, 8/24/2004: >> >> WASHINGTON COUNTY, KY WILLS 1792-1853, Faye Sea Sanders, 1987, Louisville, >> Kentucky, p. 19. Edwards, Thomas - Div/estate 22 Dec 1812 11 Jan 1813 Bk >> B:210. Heirs: Jemima Edwards, widow. Josiah, Elkany, Stanton (sic), John, >> Nancy, Joseph, Henry, Hezekiah, Rhody, William and Charles Edwards. By: >> Edward Rutter:, Phil Washburn, James Scanland. >> >> Linda Reno >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Donald Drury >> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:01 AM >> To: mdstmary-l@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [MDSTMARY] Elizabeth T. Edwards >> >> Hi Linda and list, >> >> Hope your holiday season was happy and enjoyable. >> >> About 18 months ago you posted the following: >> >> ************************* >> I am looking at this John Edwards, son of Joseph Edwards amd Mary: >>> > >>> > Will of John Edwards JJ#1 f279 3/1784; prob. 7/29/1784 >>> > Son, Stourten Edwards "Tainton Dean" >>> > Son, John the land devised to my wife after her death. >>> > 3 daus.: Elizabeth Turner Edwards, Mary Magdalene Dent, Susnna Edwards. >>> > Son-in-law Thomas Edwards 1/3 my mill until my son, John reaches age 21. >>> > Wife, Sarah Edwards "Wednesday's Project", "Higgins Purchase" & >>> > "Edwards Backland with Addition" >>> > Granddau.: Sarah Dent >>> > Grandson: Elkanah Edwards >>> > Exec is wife, Sarah Edwards >>> > Witn: Benjamin Edwards, Benjamin Suit, George Dent >>> > >>> > Now some say that he first married Elizabeth Carter then Sarah Reeves. >>> > >>> > Elizabeth Turner Edwards, dau. of John Edwards Sr (d.1784). & Sarah >>> > Reeves. Elizabeth Turner Edwards 1st husband, Thomas Edwards died 1806 >>> > in Wash. Co., Ky. >>> > Thomas Edwards m. first, Elizabeth Turner Edwards (and I have her >>> > mother as Elizabeth Carter--the first wife) and second, Elizabeth >>> > Chappelear, dau. of James Chappelear and Elizabeth Dent. >>> > The will of Nathan Chappelear (unmarried brother of Elizabeth) dated >>> > 10/25/1807 devised part of his estate to his sister, Elizabeth >>> > Edwards, wife of Thomas Edwards. >>> > Linda Reno >> ******************************** >> My question is could the Elizabeth Turner Edwards referenced in your post be >> the >> same one who married (apparently second) William Drury (abt 1777-2/26/1851) >> in >> 1819? I have tentatively placed him as William s/o John Drury (d. 1797)? >> They >> all seem to have been in Kentucky by this time. >> >> Thanks for any clarification you can provide. >> >> Don >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have her as the daughter of John Edwards and Sarah Reeves. Final Account of John Edwards, CC Accounts 1791-1798, p. 334; 31 Oct 1796 Admin: Sarah Edwards To: Due to Ann Sothoron tobacco due form note dated 22 Aug 1789 To: Due to Samuel Morton To: Due to Dr. Basil Warring To: Due to Briscoe and Hammerly To: Due to William Cartwright To: Due to Jerimiah Jordon To: Due to John Forbes To: Due to Dyson and Cooksley To: Due to Sheriff To; Due to John Muschett To: Widow 1/3 To: 7 children, Susanna, Elizabeth Turner, Eleanor Wilson, Mary, Anna, Jean, Charles; the first 2 of age and the rest under aged. (Source: My Transscription) Randy On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Donald Drury <ddrury5840@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Thanks Linda. > > Now does anyone else have any information about the parents of Elizabeth T. > Edwards who died 11/7/1850 in Mercer County Kentucky? > > Thanks to all, > > Don > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, January 2, 2013 9:57:23 AM > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Elizabeth T. Edwards > > Don, > > The answer is no. Elizabeth Turner Edwards died prior to 1804 as Thomas > Edwards married Jemima Dickens 10 Feb 1804. Thomas Edwards died about 1812. > > >From Judith Burger, 8/24/2004: > > WASHINGTON COUNTY, KY WILLS 1792-1853, Faye Sea Sanders, 1987, Louisville, > Kentucky, p. 19. Edwards, Thomas - Div/estate 22 Dec 1812 11 Jan 1813 Bk > B:210. Heirs: Jemima Edwards, widow. Josiah, Elkany, Stanton (sic), John, > Nancy, Joseph, Henry, Hezekiah, Rhody, William and Charles Edwards. By: > Edward Rutter:, Phil Washburn, James Scanland. > > Linda Reno > > -----Original Message----- > From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Donald Drury > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:01 AM > To: mdstmary-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MDSTMARY] Elizabeth T. Edwards > > Hi Linda and list, > > Hope your holiday season was happy and enjoyable. > > About 18 months ago you posted the following: > > ************************* > I am looking at this John Edwards, son of Joseph Edwards amd Mary: >> > >> > Will of John Edwards JJ#1 f279 3/1784; prob. 7/29/1784 >> > Son, Stourten Edwards "Tainton Dean" >> > Son, John the land devised to my wife after her death. >> > 3 daus.: Elizabeth Turner Edwards, Mary Magdalene Dent, Susnna Edwards. >> > Son-in-law Thomas Edwards 1/3 my mill until my son, John reaches age 21. >> > Wife, Sarah Edwards "Wednesday's Project", "Higgins Purchase" & >> > "Edwards Backland with Addition" >> > Granddau.: Sarah Dent >> > Grandson: Elkanah Edwards >> > Exec is wife, Sarah Edwards >> > Witn: Benjamin Edwards, Benjamin Suit, George Dent >> > >> > Now some say that he first married Elizabeth Carter then Sarah Reeves. >> > >> > Elizabeth Turner Edwards, dau. of John Edwards Sr (d.1784). & Sarah >> > Reeves. Elizabeth Turner Edwards 1st husband, Thomas Edwards died 1806 >> > in Wash. Co., Ky. >> > Thomas Edwards m. first, Elizabeth Turner Edwards (and I have her >> > mother as Elizabeth Carter--the first wife) and second, Elizabeth >> > Chappelear, dau. of James Chappelear and Elizabeth Dent. >> > The will of Nathan Chappelear (unmarried brother of Elizabeth) dated >> > 10/25/1807 devised part of his estate to his sister, Elizabeth >> > Edwards, wife of Thomas Edwards. >> > Linda Reno > ******************************** > My question is could the Elizabeth Turner Edwards referenced in your post be > the > same one who married (apparently second) William Drury (abt 1777-2/26/1851) > in > 1819? I have tentatively placed him as William s/o John Drury (d. 1797)? > They > all seem to have been in Kentucky by this time. > > Thanks for any clarification you can provide. > > Don > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: albmcm Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.stmarys/4587/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I recently visited my cousin in St. Mary's County. I saw the property deed for the farm his late father (my uncle) purchased in 1956. The property description stated the farm was previously known as Carberry's Discovery and Sutler's Post. I later learned Sutler's Post was incorrectly listed and it should have been Suttle's Rest. This farm is on the road between Helen and Chaptico. What intrigues me is I believe my cousin and I are related to a John Baptist Carberry who might have owned this farm in the 17th century. Can anyone help me with advice on documenting this? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I have Thomas Edwards born probably around 1750 and died in Washington Co., KY in 1809 or 1810. He was the son of Joseph Edwards and had possession of Diamonds Venture in 1801. He too named a son Stourton and had grandsons also carrying the name. (This family also uses the name Dent over and over.) Josias Edwards called him cousin and the son of Joseph Edwards in his 1774 will. EDWARDS, JOSIAS, St Mary's Co. 15 Sept. 1774; 10 Nov. 1774 To bro. John Edwards, ex., plantation Taurlon Dean, 164 acres, tobacco, stock. To cousin Thomas Edwards son of Joseph Edwards, furniture. Residue of estate to brother John Edwards. Wit: John H. Briscoe; Thomas Nicholls; Mary Edwards. 40. 2 http://www.genealogytoday.com/columns/everyday/040607.html The word "cousin," for instance, was a general term used to refer to any relative outside the immediate family circle. Usually, it referred to a niece or nephew. The beginning researcher who encounters the word "cousin" in early documents and automatically thinks it has today's meaning may be making a mistake that could seriously confuse or distort his research. Thomas sold Diamond's Venture in 1801 probably readying himself for his move to Kentucky. Charles County gentry: a genealogical history of six emigrants - Thomas Dent ... By Harry Wright Newman During the Revolutionary War Hatch Dent served as a private in Captain Clarkson's Company of Charles County Militia. In 1801 he purchased 141 acres of Diamond's Venture from Thomas Edwards of St. Mary's County. Digest of Deeds, Liber 1, folio 272 The first record of Thomas Edwards paying taxes in Washington Co., KY was on 4/20/1803. Sons, Josiah and Stourton also paid taxes (for the first time in KY) that day and were over the age of 21. Thomas Edwards died between 6/27/1809 (when he paid taxes on 400 acres of land on the Waters of the Rolling Fork, 1 white male over 21, 2 blacks over 16, 8 total blacks and 4 horses) and 9/10/1810 when William Dickens is appointed guardian to Rhody, Thomas*, William and Charles Edwards (Washington Co. Court Order Book B, Page 131). *son Thomas died shortly after the death of Thomas Edwards Washington Co. KY Will Book B, Page 210 In obedience to an order for the county court for Washington County, to us directed, we have met, this 23rd day of December, 1812 and after being sworn, have proceeded to the division of the Estate of Thomas Edwards, Dec'd among the heirs ......each heir is entitled to 306.67 1/2 cents....... Jemina Edwards, widow negro Patty (valued at ) 166.66 to Josiah Edwards negro Esther (valued at ) 180.00 to Elkany Edwards Cash 306.67 1/2 to Stouton Edwards negro Sam (valued at ) 450.00 to John Edwards negro Milly (valued at) 150.00 to Nancy Edwards negro Cate (valued at ) 320.00 to Joseph Edwards negro Jess (valued at ) 430.00 to Henry Edwards negro George (valued at ) 150.00 to Hezekiah Edwards negro Fanny (valued at ) 166.66 to Rhody Edwards negro Dole (valued at ) 320.00 to William Edwards negro Peter (valued at ) 116.66 to Charles Edwards negro Risson (valued at ) 100.00 Given under our hands, the date above written Edw Rutter Phil Washburn James Scanland Information from Thomas Edwards grandson who was still living in the early 1900's stated that, "Thomas Edwards, married his cousin, Elizabeth Dent Edwards, who lived in St. Mary's County, Maryland...... He came to Kentucky in 1794 (1802 or 1803) and brought his family with him all except Elkanah who was already married, and who remained near Cool Spring, same county." (Elkanah Edwards had married Elizabeth Chappelear on 12/19/1801 in SMC.) Who is Thomas Edwards if he is not the grandson of Joseph Edwards 1746 through his son, Joseph Edwards? Since Thomas was not a given name used in this Edwards family I have wondered if he was named for Thomas Suit? On 1/2/13, C Greenwell <cgreenwell01@gmail.com> wrote: > Another interesting tidbit about the Edwards boys.... Capt. William > Henry Edwards from Chester County, SC, wrote a number of books/stories > which were published ca. 1908 and on. Most of his stories were about > the civil war and the Regiment he commanded. In one of his stories he > states: > > "John Edwards, Joseph Edwards and Stourton Edwards, three brothers, > came to Edgecomb Co, N.C.. John and Joseph settled in Chester Co., > S.C. Stourton, the other brother, settled on Taylor's Creek, in York > Co." > > I believe that these are the sons of Joseph (d. 1794). > > They started a Ferry service on the Roanoke River where in 1863 at > Edwards Ferry NC, the Ironclad CSS Albemarle was constructed durring > the Civil War. > > Randy > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> wrote: >> Joseph Edwards died 1794 in NC vs. 1783. >> >> I feel confident that he was the son of Joseph who died in 1746. This >> Joseph >> is the one who received the legacy from Robert Stourton, named a son >> Stourton and his son Joseph also named a son Stourton. >> >> 1762: Tax lists of SMC show that Mary, widow of Joseph Edwards, Sr., >> paid >> taxes on 110 ac. "Diamond's Venture" through 1761. On the 4/10/1762 >> list, >> the tax was paid by Benjamin Edwards, co-heir with his brother Joseph >> Edwards, Jr. to this tract of land. His brother Joseph paid his tax on >> two >> other tracts he owned in 1761 and does not appear in the lists after that >> year. Joseph Edwards, his wife, Maryan and their children may have >> arrived >> in NC as early as 1765. According to a deed registered in Edgecomb Co., >> NC >> a Joseph Edwards bought 100 ac. in that year. (More Marylanders to >> Carolina, Peden). >> >> ???Hal 311=17-19 Joseph Edwards and wf Mary (x) of Hal to Hercules >> Morriss >> same 11 Feb 1788, £23, 150a jng Horspen Branch, Green. wit Arthur >> Sheffield, >> Sterlin Edwards, Randal Daniel, recd May 1788. [Hercules Morris also had >> land on Beaverdam Swamp.] >> http://home.comcast.net/~p.a.miller/genealogy/docs/danieledgehalifnashwilson >> /index.htm >> >> Linda Reno >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Karen Caldwell >> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 12:11 AM >> To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Joseph Edwards (1794 will)'s wives >> >> The Edwards family makes my head spin! >> >> How do you know for certain that Joseph Edwards who died at NC in 1783 >> was the son of Joseph Edwards who died at SMC in 1746? >> >> >> >> >> >> On 12/31/12, Daniel B. Troublefield <dantrouble@comporium.net> wrote: >>> Thanks, Randy, for your helpful response. >>> >>> I only just downloaded the recorded wills of Thomas Suit 1765 and Joseph >>> Edwards 1783 today. >>> Thomas Suit's recorded will >>> St. Mary's County Register of Wills >>> Wills 1733-1776 Vol TA1 >>> Filmed by Maryland Hall of Records >>> Images 662-663 of 794 >>> Volume TA#1 Pages 616-617 >>> >> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-25106-46412-66?cc=1803986&wc=M >> M1X-SVM:n1259355819 >>> >>> Will of Joseph Edwards dated 8 Sep 1783, proved May Sessions 1794 >>> >> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19462-368-65?cc=1867501&wc=109217 >> 57 >>> North Carolina, Probate Records 1735-1970, >>> Halifax, Wills, 1781-1824 vol. 3 >>> Vol. 3, Page 228 >>> Image 261 of 763 >>> >>> It appears to me that if Walter Brewster's estimates of the birth years >>> of >>> Joseph Edwards' children are at least somewhat accurate, then a Mary Ann >>> Higgs born about 1749 could not be the mother of the first five >>> children: >>> Sarah, Jarrott, Joseph, John, and Peter. But she could possibly be the >>> mother of Mary, my Stourton, Jonathan, Ann, and Jesse. >>> Possibly, but I do not know. But was Maryan, Joseph's wife, the same >> person >>> >>> as Mary Ann Higgs born about 1749? If not, then whoever Maryan Edwards >> was, >>> >>> she might be the mother of more of the younger children, but not of >>> Sarah >>> Edwards Daniel, the eldest, who was a granddaughter of Thomas Suit. >>> >>> Will have to check for information on Richard Suit and whether he could >>> be >>> Maryan's/MaryAnn's father, as you men-tioned that some have suggested. >>> >>> Also, need to find someone to explain how to access the digital images >>> on >>> the Maryland State Archives site. That worked fine for me a few years >>> ago, >>> but now find it impossible to search (successfully). >>> >>> Regards, Dan >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "C Greenwell" <cgreenwell01@gmail.com> wrote: >>> December 31, 2012 10:10 AM >>>> Hi Dan, >>>> This is what I have for Joseph Edwards (d. 1794), Halifax County, NC: >>>> >>>> Joseph Edwards married first, the daughter, Sarah (?), of Thomas >>>> Suit, Sr. and Christian Dent before 1765 and they had a daughter named >>>> Sarah Edwards (b. 1755). >>>> >>>> Will of Thomas Suite, SMC 10/16/1765-11/4/1771. Children: Dent, >>>> Thomas, Ann Noe. Grandson: Dent Suite of Thomas. Granddaughter: Sarah >>>> Edwards of Joseph Edwards. Exec: Daughter-in-law, Mary Bright. Wit: >>>> Hezekiah Turner,Nathaniel Suite, Samuel Cooksey Barron. (Maryland >>>> Calendar of Wills). >>>> >>>> Joseph's first wife was likely deceased before his father in law wrote >>>> his will on 16 Oct 1765. >>>> >>>> Joseph married second, Maryan. I suspect that they were married about >>>> 1758 based on the birth dates of their children: Jarrot, Joseph, John, >>>> Peter, Mary, Stourton, Jonathan, Ann, and Jesse. >>>> >>>> Writing in 1994 (two issues of the Chester Co. Genealogical Society >>>> "Bulletin"), Walter Whatley Brewster states: >>>> >>>> "Joseph, Jr. and Maryan (Suit) Edwards had the following children: >>>> Sarah Edwards, b. ca. 1755, m. Ambrose Daniel ca. 1773; Jarrott >>>> Edwards, b. ca. 1757, m. 1) Susannah Porter, and 2) Rebecca Bell; >>>> Joseph Edwards, III, ca. 1759, m. Elizabeth (Turner); John Edwards, b. >>>> ca. 1761, d. 1820, m. Olive Exum; Peter Edwards, b. ca. 1763; Mary >>>> Edwards, b. ca. 1765, d. 1861, m. Iles Cooper; Stourton Edwards, b. >>>> ca. 1768, d 15 Nov 1838, m. Sarah _____: Jonathan Edwards b. ca. 1770, >>>> m. Mary _____; Ann Edwards, b. ca. 1772; and Jesse Edwards, b. ca. >>>> 1774." >>>> >>>> Also, notice in Joseph's will that he mentions his daughter Sarah >>>> separately from his and Maryan's children. >>>> >>>> Will of Joseph Edwards (my transcription), >>>> Halifax Co.. NC will book 1781-1825 vol. 3. p.228; 8 Sep 1783; >>>> proved May Session 1794 >>>> To: Son Jarrot Edwards 150 A of land laying on the north side of the >>>> Horse Pin Branch. >>>> To: beloved Maryan all the land whereon I now live and all my househod >>>> furniture and all of my personal effects for her natural life or >>>> widowhood. >>>> To: at my widows death or marriage, I give to my daughter Sarah Daniel >>>> one feather bed, cow, and calf. >>>> To; my children Joseph, John, Peter, Mary, Stourton, Jonathan, Ann, >>>> Jesse. each a feather bed, cow, and calf. >>>> At the death of my widow all of my land to be sold and the money >>>> distributed to each of my children equally, except Jarrot. And the >>>> rest of my estate to be devided between all my children equally. >>>> Exec: Wife Maryan and son Jarrot equally >>>> Wit: Malicka Butt, Richard Suit, James Neal, Thomas Hall >>>> >>>> Now, who is Maryan? There are some reseachers who say that she is the >>>> daughter of Samuel Higgs and his wife Elizabeth. I have also seen some >>>> who believe that she is the daughter of Richard Suit. I am not sure >>>> and have not found any proof either way. >>>> >>>> Randy >>>> On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Daniel B. Troublefield wrote:>> >>>>> A revision of part of my previous posting seems in order. >>>>> I'm still curious whether there is a record of Joseph Edwards's first >>>>> wife's >>>>> given name as Sarah. >>>>> >>>>> But I can see why it seems unlikely that Thomas Suite had a daughter >>>>> named >>>>> Mary Ann or Maryan who was not named in his will and the naming of >>>>> Sarah >>>>> >>>>> Edwards as daughter of >>>>> Joseph Edwards does seem to imply that Sarah Edwards' mother (whatever >>>>> her name might have >>>>> been) was deceased. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Daniel B. Troublefield" <dantrouble@comporium.net> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:59 PM >>>>> > My Stourton/Strutton was a son of Joseph Edwards, died 1794; and >>>>> > grandson >>>>> > of Joseph Edwards, died 1746. >>>>> > >>>>> > Am aware that Thomas Suit(e) (of 1765 will) had a daughter (name >>>>> > unknown) >>>>> > who married Joseph Edwards and had a daughter Sarah Edwards. >>>>> > >>>>> > Is there any record that Stourton's father Joseph (1794 will) had a >>>>> > wife >>>>> > named Sarah? >>>>> > >>>>> > Or that Thomas Suit(e) (of 1765 will) had a daughter named Sarah? >>>>> > >>>>> > A direct, contemporary record from their lifetimes? >>>>> > >>>>> > I understand that there is no proof of my Stourton's mother's >>>>> > identity. >>>>> > >>>>> > Some think that his mother was Mary Ann Suit. That is the view >>>>> > that I learned from Walter W. Brewster's articles on our Edwards >>>>> > families for The Bulletin (Chester District Genealogical Society, >>>>> > Richburg, South Carolina). >>>>> > >>>>> > Linda Reno believes that she was Mary Ann Higgs. >>>>> > >>>>> > Joseph Edwards (1794 will) had a wife named Maryan or Mary Ann. >>>>> > Perhaps she was a Higgs, but is there any direct proof? Deeds >>>>> > perhaps? >>>>> > >>>>> > My questions, above, are based on a posting by Linda Reno on 9 Aug >>>>> > 2009. >>>>> > >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/MDSTMARY/2009-08/1249842252 >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Linda. Now does anyone else have any information about the parents of Elizabeth T. Edwards who died 11/7/1850 in Mercer County Kentucky? Thanks to all, Don ________________________________ From: Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, January 2, 2013 9:57:23 AM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Elizabeth T. Edwards Don, The answer is no. Elizabeth Turner Edwards died prior to 1804 as Thomas Edwards married Jemima Dickens 10 Feb 1804. Thomas Edwards died about 1812. >From Judith Burger, 8/24/2004: WASHINGTON COUNTY, KY WILLS 1792-1853, Faye Sea Sanders, 1987, Louisville, Kentucky, p. 19. Edwards, Thomas - Div/estate 22 Dec 1812 11 Jan 1813 Bk B:210. Heirs: Jemima Edwards, widow. Josiah, Elkany, Stanton (sic), John, Nancy, Joseph, Henry, Hezekiah, Rhody, William and Charles Edwards. By: Edward Rutter:, Phil Washburn, James Scanland. Linda Reno -----Original Message----- From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Donald Drury Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:01 AM To: mdstmary-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [MDSTMARY] Elizabeth T. Edwards Hi Linda and list, Hope your holiday season was happy and enjoyable. About 18 months ago you posted the following: ************************* I am looking at this John Edwards, son of Joseph Edwards amd Mary: > > > > Will of John Edwards JJ#1 f279 3/1784; prob. 7/29/1784 > > Son, Stourten Edwards "Tainton Dean" > > Son, John the land devised to my wife after her death. > > 3 daus.: Elizabeth Turner Edwards, Mary Magdalene Dent, Susnna Edwards. > > Son-in-law Thomas Edwards 1/3 my mill until my son, John reaches age 21. > > Wife, Sarah Edwards "Wednesday's Project", "Higgins Purchase" & > > "Edwards Backland with Addition" > > Granddau.: Sarah Dent > > Grandson: Elkanah Edwards > > Exec is wife, Sarah Edwards > > Witn: Benjamin Edwards, Benjamin Suit, George Dent > > > > Now some say that he first married Elizabeth Carter then Sarah Reeves. > > > > Elizabeth Turner Edwards, dau. of John Edwards Sr (d.1784). & Sarah > > Reeves. Elizabeth Turner Edwards 1st husband, Thomas Edwards died 1806 > > in Wash. Co., Ky. > > Thomas Edwards m. first, Elizabeth Turner Edwards (and I have her > > mother as Elizabeth Carter--the first wife) and second, Elizabeth > > Chappelear, dau. of James Chappelear and Elizabeth Dent. > > The will of Nathan Chappelear (unmarried brother of Elizabeth) dated > > 10/25/1807 devised part of his estate to his sister, Elizabeth > > Edwards, wife of Thomas Edwards. > > Linda Reno ******************************** My question is could the Elizabeth Turner Edwards referenced in your post be the same one who married (apparently second) William Drury (abt 1777-2/26/1851) in 1819? I have tentatively placed him as William s/o John Drury (d. 1797)? They all seem to have been in Kentucky by this time. Thanks for any clarification you can provide. Don ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Another interesting tidbit about the Edwards boys.... Capt. William Henry Edwards from Chester County, SC, wrote a number of books/stories which were published ca. 1908 and on. Most of his stories were about the civil war and the Regiment he commanded. In one of his stories he states: "John Edwards, Joseph Edwards and Stourton Edwards, three brothers, came to Edgecomb Co, N.C.. John and Joseph settled in Chester Co., S.C. Stourton, the other brother, settled on Taylor's Creek, in York Co." I believe that these are the sons of Joseph (d. 1794). They started a Ferry service on the Roanoke River where in 1863 at Edwards Ferry NC, the Ironclad CSS Albemarle was constructed durring the Civil War. Randy On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> wrote: > Joseph Edwards died 1794 in NC vs. 1783. > > I feel confident that he was the son of Joseph who died in 1746. This Joseph > is the one who received the legacy from Robert Stourton, named a son > Stourton and his son Joseph also named a son Stourton. > > 1762: Tax lists of SMC show that Mary, widow of Joseph Edwards, Sr., paid > taxes on 110 ac. "Diamond's Venture" through 1761. On the 4/10/1762 list, > the tax was paid by Benjamin Edwards, co-heir with his brother Joseph > Edwards, Jr. to this tract of land. His brother Joseph paid his tax on two > other tracts he owned in 1761 and does not appear in the lists after that > year. Joseph Edwards, his wife, Maryan and their children may have arrived > in NC as early as 1765. According to a deed registered in Edgecomb Co., NC > a Joseph Edwards bought 100 ac. in that year. (More Marylanders to > Carolina, Peden). > > ???Hal 311=17-19 Joseph Edwards and wf Mary (x) of Hal to Hercules Morriss > same 11 Feb 1788, £23, 150a jng Horspen Branch, Green. wit Arthur Sheffield, > Sterlin Edwards, Randal Daniel, recd May 1788. [Hercules Morris also had > land on Beaverdam Swamp.] > http://home.comcast.net/~p.a.miller/genealogy/docs/danieledgehalifnashwilson > /index.htm > > Linda Reno > > -----Original Message----- > From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Karen Caldwell > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 12:11 AM > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Joseph Edwards (1794 will)'s wives > > The Edwards family makes my head spin! > > How do you know for certain that Joseph Edwards who died at NC in 1783 > was the son of Joseph Edwards who died at SMC in 1746? > > > > > > On 12/31/12, Daniel B. Troublefield <dantrouble@comporium.net> wrote: >> Thanks, Randy, for your helpful response. >> >> I only just downloaded the recorded wills of Thomas Suit 1765 and Joseph >> Edwards 1783 today. >> Thomas Suit's recorded will >> St. Mary's County Register of Wills >> Wills 1733-1776 Vol TA1 >> Filmed by Maryland Hall of Records >> Images 662-663 of 794 >> Volume TA#1 Pages 616-617 >> > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-25106-46412-66?cc=1803986&wc=M > M1X-SVM:n1259355819 >> >> Will of Joseph Edwards dated 8 Sep 1783, proved May Sessions 1794 >> > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19462-368-65?cc=1867501&wc=109217 > 57 >> North Carolina, Probate Records 1735-1970, >> Halifax, Wills, 1781-1824 vol. 3 >> Vol. 3, Page 228 >> Image 261 of 763 >> >> It appears to me that if Walter Brewster's estimates of the birth years of >> Joseph Edwards' children are at least somewhat accurate, then a Mary Ann >> Higgs born about 1749 could not be the mother of the first five children: >> Sarah, Jarrott, Joseph, John, and Peter. But she could possibly be the >> mother of Mary, my Stourton, Jonathan, Ann, and Jesse. >> Possibly, but I do not know. But was Maryan, Joseph's wife, the same > person >> >> as Mary Ann Higgs born about 1749? If not, then whoever Maryan Edwards > was, >> >> she might be the mother of more of the younger children, but not of Sarah >> Edwards Daniel, the eldest, who was a granddaughter of Thomas Suit. >> >> Will have to check for information on Richard Suit and whether he could be >> Maryan's/MaryAnn's father, as you men-tioned that some have suggested. >> >> Also, need to find someone to explain how to access the digital images on >> the Maryland State Archives site. That worked fine for me a few years ago, >> but now find it impossible to search (successfully). >> >> Regards, Dan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "C Greenwell" <cgreenwell01@gmail.com> wrote: >> December 31, 2012 10:10 AM >>> Hi Dan, >>> This is what I have for Joseph Edwards (d. 1794), Halifax County, NC: >>> >>> Joseph Edwards married first, the daughter, Sarah (?), of Thomas >>> Suit, Sr. and Christian Dent before 1765 and they had a daughter named >>> Sarah Edwards (b. 1755). >>> >>> Will of Thomas Suite, SMC 10/16/1765-11/4/1771. Children: Dent, >>> Thomas, Ann Noe. Grandson: Dent Suite of Thomas. Granddaughter: Sarah >>> Edwards of Joseph Edwards. Exec: Daughter-in-law, Mary Bright. Wit: >>> Hezekiah Turner,Nathaniel Suite, Samuel Cooksey Barron. (Maryland >>> Calendar of Wills). >>> >>> Joseph's first wife was likely deceased before his father in law wrote >>> his will on 16 Oct 1765. >>> >>> Joseph married second, Maryan. I suspect that they were married about >>> 1758 based on the birth dates of their children: Jarrot, Joseph, John, >>> Peter, Mary, Stourton, Jonathan, Ann, and Jesse. >>> >>> Writing in 1994 (two issues of the Chester Co. Genealogical Society >>> "Bulletin"), Walter Whatley Brewster states: >>> >>> "Joseph, Jr. and Maryan (Suit) Edwards had the following children: >>> Sarah Edwards, b. ca. 1755, m. Ambrose Daniel ca. 1773; Jarrott >>> Edwards, b. ca. 1757, m. 1) Susannah Porter, and 2) Rebecca Bell; >>> Joseph Edwards, III, ca. 1759, m. Elizabeth (Turner); John Edwards, b. >>> ca. 1761, d. 1820, m. Olive Exum; Peter Edwards, b. ca. 1763; Mary >>> Edwards, b. ca. 1765, d. 1861, m. Iles Cooper; Stourton Edwards, b. >>> ca. 1768, d 15 Nov 1838, m. Sarah _____: Jonathan Edwards b. ca. 1770, >>> m. Mary _____; Ann Edwards, b. ca. 1772; and Jesse Edwards, b. ca. >>> 1774." >>> >>> Also, notice in Joseph's will that he mentions his daughter Sarah >>> separately from his and Maryan's children. >>> >>> Will of Joseph Edwards (my transcription), >>> Halifax Co.. NC will book 1781-1825 vol. 3. p.228; 8 Sep 1783; >>> proved May Session 1794 >>> To: Son Jarrot Edwards 150 A of land laying on the north side of the >>> Horse Pin Branch. >>> To: beloved Maryan all the land whereon I now live and all my househod >>> furniture and all of my personal effects for her natural life or >>> widowhood. >>> To: at my widows death or marriage, I give to my daughter Sarah Daniel >>> one feather bed, cow, and calf. >>> To; my children Joseph, John, Peter, Mary, Stourton, Jonathan, Ann, >>> Jesse. each a feather bed, cow, and calf. >>> At the death of my widow all of my land to be sold and the money >>> distributed to each of my children equally, except Jarrot. And the >>> rest of my estate to be devided between all my children equally. >>> Exec: Wife Maryan and son Jarrot equally >>> Wit: Malicka Butt, Richard Suit, James Neal, Thomas Hall >>> >>> Now, who is Maryan? There are some reseachers who say that she is the >>> daughter of Samuel Higgs and his wife Elizabeth. I have also seen some >>> who believe that she is the daughter of Richard Suit. I am not sure >>> and have not found any proof either way. >>> >>> Randy >>> On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Daniel B. Troublefield wrote:>> >>>> A revision of part of my previous posting seems in order. >>>> I'm still curious whether there is a record of Joseph Edwards's first >>>> wife's >>>> given name as Sarah. >>>> >>>> But I can see why it seems unlikely that Thomas Suite had a daughter >>>> named >>>> Mary Ann or Maryan who was not named in his will and the naming of Sarah >>>> >>>> Edwards as daughter of >>>> Joseph Edwards does seem to imply that Sarah Edwards' mother (whatever >>>> her name might have >>>> been) was deceased. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Daniel B. Troublefield" <dantrouble@comporium.net> >>>> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:59 PM >>>> > My Stourton/Strutton was a son of Joseph Edwards, died 1794; and >>>> > grandson >>>> > of Joseph Edwards, died 1746. >>>> > >>>> > Am aware that Thomas Suit(e) (of 1765 will) had a daughter (name >>>> > unknown) >>>> > who married Joseph Edwards and had a daughter Sarah Edwards. >>>> > >>>> > Is there any record that Stourton's father Joseph (1794 will) had a >>>> > wife >>>> > named Sarah? >>>> > >>>> > Or that Thomas Suit(e) (of 1765 will) had a daughter named Sarah? >>>> > >>>> > A direct, contemporary record from their lifetimes? >>>> > >>>> > I understand that there is no proof of my Stourton's mother's >>>> > identity. >>>> > >>>> > Some think that his mother was Mary Ann Suit. That is the view >>>> > that I learned from Walter W. Brewster's articles on our Edwards >>>> > families for The Bulletin (Chester District Genealogical Society, >>>> > Richburg, South Carolina). >>>> > >>>> > Linda Reno believes that she was Mary Ann Higgs. >>>> > >>>> > Joseph Edwards (1794 will) had a wife named Maryan or Mary Ann. >>>> > Perhaps she was a Higgs, but is there any direct proof? Deeds perhaps? >>>> > >>>> > My questions, above, are based on a posting by Linda Reno on 9 Aug >>>> > 2009. >>>> > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/MDSTMARY/2009-08/1249842252 >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Don, The answer is no. Elizabeth Turner Edwards died prior to 1804 as Thomas Edwards married Jemima Dickens 10 Feb 1804. Thomas Edwards died about 1812. >From Judith Burger, 8/24/2004: WASHINGTON COUNTY, KY WILLS 1792-1853, Faye Sea Sanders, 1987, Louisville, Kentucky, p. 19. Edwards, Thomas - Div/estate 22 Dec 1812 11 Jan 1813 Bk B:210. Heirs: Jemima Edwards, widow. Josiah, Elkany, Stanton (sic), John, Nancy, Joseph, Henry, Hezekiah, Rhody, William and Charles Edwards. By: Edward Rutter:, Phil Washburn, James Scanland. Linda Reno -----Original Message----- From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Donald Drury Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:01 AM To: mdstmary-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [MDSTMARY] Elizabeth T. Edwards Hi Linda and list, Hope your holiday season was happy and enjoyable. About 18 months ago you posted the following: ************************* I am looking at this John Edwards, son of Joseph Edwards amd Mary: > > > > Will of John Edwards JJ#1 f279 3/1784; prob. 7/29/1784 > > Son, Stourten Edwards "Tainton Dean" > > Son, John the land devised to my wife after her death. > > 3 daus.: Elizabeth Turner Edwards, Mary Magdalene Dent, Susnna Edwards. > > Son-in-law Thomas Edwards 1/3 my mill until my son, John reaches age 21. > > Wife, Sarah Edwards "Wednesday's Project", "Higgins Purchase" & > > "Edwards Backland with Addition" > > Granddau.: Sarah Dent > > Grandson: Elkanah Edwards > > Exec is wife, Sarah Edwards > > Witn: Benjamin Edwards, Benjamin Suit, George Dent > > > > Now some say that he first married Elizabeth Carter then Sarah Reeves. > > > > Elizabeth Turner Edwards, dau. of John Edwards Sr (d.1784). & Sarah > > Reeves. Elizabeth Turner Edwards 1st husband, Thomas Edwards died 1806 > > in Wash. Co., Ky. > > Thomas Edwards m. first, Elizabeth Turner Edwards (and I have her > > mother as Elizabeth Carter--the first wife) and second, Elizabeth > > Chappelear, dau. of James Chappelear and Elizabeth Dent. > > The will of Nathan Chappelear (unmarried brother of Elizabeth) dated > > 10/25/1807 devised part of his estate to his sister, Elizabeth > > Edwards, wife of Thomas Edwards. > > Linda Reno ******************************** My question is could the Elizabeth Turner Edwards referenced in your post be the same one who married (apparently second) William Drury (abt 1777-2/26/1851) in 1819? I have tentatively placed him as William s/o John Drury (d. 1797)? They all seem to have been in Kentucky by this time. Thanks for any clarification you can provide. Don ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joseph Edwards died 1794 in NC vs. 1783. I feel confident that he was the son of Joseph who died in 1746. This Joseph is the one who received the legacy from Robert Stourton, named a son Stourton and his son Joseph also named a son Stourton. 1762: Tax lists of SMC show that Mary, widow of Joseph Edwards, Sr., paid taxes on 110 ac. "Diamond's Venture" through 1761. On the 4/10/1762 list, the tax was paid by Benjamin Edwards, co-heir with his brother Joseph Edwards, Jr. to this tract of land. His brother Joseph paid his tax on two other tracts he owned in 1761 and does not appear in the lists after that year. Joseph Edwards, his wife, Maryan and their children may have arrived in NC as early as 1765. According to a deed registered in Edgecomb Co., NC a Joseph Edwards bought 100 ac. in that year. (More Marylanders to Carolina, Peden). ???Hal 311=17-19 Joseph Edwards and wf Mary (x) of Hal to Hercules Morriss same 11 Feb 1788, £23, 150a jng Horspen Branch, Green. wit Arthur Sheffield, Sterlin Edwards, Randal Daniel, recd May 1788. [Hercules Morris also had land on Beaverdam Swamp.] http://home.comcast.net/~p.a.miller/genealogy/docs/danieledgehalifnashwilson /index.htm Linda Reno -----Original Message----- From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Karen Caldwell Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 12:11 AM To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Joseph Edwards (1794 will)'s wives The Edwards family makes my head spin! How do you know for certain that Joseph Edwards who died at NC in 1783 was the son of Joseph Edwards who died at SMC in 1746? On 12/31/12, Daniel B. Troublefield <dantrouble@comporium.net> wrote: > Thanks, Randy, for your helpful response. > > I only just downloaded the recorded wills of Thomas Suit 1765 and Joseph > Edwards 1783 today. > Thomas Suit's recorded will > St. Mary's County Register of Wills > Wills 1733-1776 Vol TA1 > Filmed by Maryland Hall of Records > Images 662-663 of 794 > Volume TA#1 Pages 616-617 > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-25106-46412-66?cc=1803986&wc=M M1X-SVM:n1259355819 > > Will of Joseph Edwards dated 8 Sep 1783, proved May Sessions 1794 > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19462-368-65?cc=1867501&wc=109217 57 > North Carolina, Probate Records 1735-1970, > Halifax, Wills, 1781-1824 vol. 3 > Vol. 3, Page 228 > Image 261 of 763 > > It appears to me that if Walter Brewster's estimates of the birth years of > Joseph Edwards' children are at least somewhat accurate, then a Mary Ann > Higgs born about 1749 could not be the mother of the first five children: > Sarah, Jarrott, Joseph, John, and Peter. But she could possibly be the > mother of Mary, my Stourton, Jonathan, Ann, and Jesse. > Possibly, but I do not know. But was Maryan, Joseph's wife, the same person > > as Mary Ann Higgs born about 1749? If not, then whoever Maryan Edwards was, > > she might be the mother of more of the younger children, but not of Sarah > Edwards Daniel, the eldest, who was a granddaughter of Thomas Suit. > > Will have to check for information on Richard Suit and whether he could be > Maryan's/MaryAnn's father, as you men-tioned that some have suggested. > > Also, need to find someone to explain how to access the digital images on > the Maryland State Archives site. That worked fine for me a few years ago, > but now find it impossible to search (successfully). > > Regards, Dan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "C Greenwell" <cgreenwell01@gmail.com> wrote: > December 31, 2012 10:10 AM >> Hi Dan, >> This is what I have for Joseph Edwards (d. 1794), Halifax County, NC: >> >> Joseph Edwards married first, the daughter, Sarah (?), of Thomas >> Suit, Sr. and Christian Dent before 1765 and they had a daughter named >> Sarah Edwards (b. 1755). >> >> Will of Thomas Suite, SMC 10/16/1765-11/4/1771. Children: Dent, >> Thomas, Ann Noe. Grandson: Dent Suite of Thomas. Granddaughter: Sarah >> Edwards of Joseph Edwards. Exec: Daughter-in-law, Mary Bright. Wit: >> Hezekiah Turner,Nathaniel Suite, Samuel Cooksey Barron. (Maryland >> Calendar of Wills). >> >> Joseph's first wife was likely deceased before his father in law wrote >> his will on 16 Oct 1765. >> >> Joseph married second, Maryan. I suspect that they were married about >> 1758 based on the birth dates of their children: Jarrot, Joseph, John, >> Peter, Mary, Stourton, Jonathan, Ann, and Jesse. >> >> Writing in 1994 (two issues of the Chester Co. Genealogical Society >> "Bulletin"), Walter Whatley Brewster states: >> >> "Joseph, Jr. and Maryan (Suit) Edwards had the following children: >> Sarah Edwards, b. ca. 1755, m. Ambrose Daniel ca. 1773; Jarrott >> Edwards, b. ca. 1757, m. 1) Susannah Porter, and 2) Rebecca Bell; >> Joseph Edwards, III, ca. 1759, m. Elizabeth (Turner); John Edwards, b. >> ca. 1761, d. 1820, m. Olive Exum; Peter Edwards, b. ca. 1763; Mary >> Edwards, b. ca. 1765, d. 1861, m. Iles Cooper; Stourton Edwards, b. >> ca. 1768, d 15 Nov 1838, m. Sarah _____: Jonathan Edwards b. ca. 1770, >> m. Mary _____; Ann Edwards, b. ca. 1772; and Jesse Edwards, b. ca. >> 1774." >> >> Also, notice in Joseph's will that he mentions his daughter Sarah >> separately from his and Maryan's children. >> >> Will of Joseph Edwards (my transcription), >> Halifax Co.. NC will book 1781-1825 vol. 3. p.228; 8 Sep 1783; >> proved May Session 1794 >> To: Son Jarrot Edwards 150 A of land laying on the north side of the >> Horse Pin Branch. >> To: beloved Maryan all the land whereon I now live and all my househod >> furniture and all of my personal effects for her natural life or >> widowhood. >> To: at my widows death or marriage, I give to my daughter Sarah Daniel >> one feather bed, cow, and calf. >> To; my children Joseph, John, Peter, Mary, Stourton, Jonathan, Ann, >> Jesse. each a feather bed, cow, and calf. >> At the death of my widow all of my land to be sold and the money >> distributed to each of my children equally, except Jarrot. And the >> rest of my estate to be devided between all my children equally. >> Exec: Wife Maryan and son Jarrot equally >> Wit: Malicka Butt, Richard Suit, James Neal, Thomas Hall >> >> Now, who is Maryan? There are some reseachers who say that she is the >> daughter of Samuel Higgs and his wife Elizabeth. I have also seen some >> who believe that she is the daughter of Richard Suit. I am not sure >> and have not found any proof either way. >> >> Randy >> On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Daniel B. Troublefield wrote:>> >>> A revision of part of my previous posting seems in order. >>> I'm still curious whether there is a record of Joseph Edwards's first >>> wife's >>> given name as Sarah. >>> >>> But I can see why it seems unlikely that Thomas Suite had a daughter >>> named >>> Mary Ann or Maryan who was not named in his will and the naming of Sarah >>> >>> Edwards as daughter of >>> Joseph Edwards does seem to imply that Sarah Edwards' mother (whatever >>> her name might have >>> been) was deceased. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Daniel B. Troublefield" <dantrouble@comporium.net> >>> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:59 PM >>> > My Stourton/Strutton was a son of Joseph Edwards, died 1794; and >>> > grandson >>> > of Joseph Edwards, died 1746. >>> > >>> > Am aware that Thomas Suit(e) (of 1765 will) had a daughter (name >>> > unknown) >>> > who married Joseph Edwards and had a daughter Sarah Edwards. >>> > >>> > Is there any record that Stourton's father Joseph (1794 will) had a >>> > wife >>> > named Sarah? >>> > >>> > Or that Thomas Suit(e) (of 1765 will) had a daughter named Sarah? >>> > >>> > A direct, contemporary record from their lifetimes? >>> > >>> > I understand that there is no proof of my Stourton's mother's >>> > identity. >>> > >>> > Some think that his mother was Mary Ann Suit. That is the view >>> > that I learned from Walter W. Brewster's articles on our Edwards >>> > families for The Bulletin (Chester District Genealogical Society, >>> > Richburg, South Carolina). >>> > >>> > Linda Reno believes that she was Mary Ann Higgs. >>> > >>> > Joseph Edwards (1794 will) had a wife named Maryan or Mary Ann. >>> > Perhaps she was a Higgs, but is there any direct proof? Deeds perhaps? >>> > >>> > My questions, above, are based on a posting by Linda Reno on 9 Aug >>> > 2009. >>> > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/MDSTMARY/2009-08/1249842252 >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Linda and list, Hope your holiday season was happy and enjoyable. About 18 months ago you posted the following: ************************* I am looking at this John Edwards, son of Joseph Edwards amd Mary: > > > > Will of John Edwards JJ#1 f279 3/1784; prob. 7/29/1784 > > Son, Stourten Edwards "Tainton Dean" > > Son, John the land devised to my wife after her death. > > 3 daus.: Elizabeth Turner Edwards, Mary Magdalene Dent, Susnna Edwards. > > Son-in-law Thomas Edwards 1/3 my mill until my son, John reaches age 21. > > Wife, Sarah Edwards "Wednesday's Project", "Higgins Purchase" & > > "Edwards Backland with Addition" > > Granddau.: Sarah Dent > > Grandson: Elkanah Edwards > > Exec is wife, Sarah Edwards > > Witn: Benjamin Edwards, Benjamin Suit, George Dent > > > > Now some say that he first married Elizabeth Carter then Sarah Reeves. > > > > Elizabeth Turner Edwards, dau. of John Edwards Sr (d.1784). & Sarah > > Reeves. Elizabeth Turner Edwards 1st husband, Thomas Edwards died 1806 > > in Wash. Co., Ky. > > Thomas Edwards m. first, Elizabeth Turner Edwards (and I have her > > mother as Elizabeth Carter--the first wife) and second, Elizabeth > > Chappelear, dau. of James Chappelear and Elizabeth Dent. > > The will of Nathan Chappelear (unmarried brother of Elizabeth) dated > > 10/25/1807 devised part of his estate to his sister, Elizabeth > > Edwards, wife of Thomas Edwards. > > Linda Reno ******************************** My question is could the Elizabeth Turner Edwards referenced in your post be the same one who married (apparently second) William Drury (abt 1777-2/26/1851) in 1819? I have tentatively placed him as William s/o John Drury (d. 1797)? They all seem to have been in Kentucky by this time. Thanks for any clarification you can provide. Don

The Edwards family makes my head spin! How do you know for certain that Joseph Edwards who died at NC in 1783 was the son of Joseph Edwards who died at SMC in 1746? On 12/31/12, Daniel B. Troublefield <dantrouble@comporium.net> wrote: > Thanks, Randy, for your helpful response. > > I only just downloaded the recorded wills of Thomas Suit 1765 and Joseph > Edwards 1783 today. > Thomas Suit's recorded will > St. Mary's County Register of Wills > Wills 1733-1776 Vol TA1 > Filmed by Maryland Hall of Records > Images 662-663 of 794 > Volume TA#1 Pages 616-617 > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-25106-46412-66?cc=1803986&wc=MM1X-SVM:n1259355819 > > Will of Joseph Edwards dated 8 Sep 1783, proved May Sessions 1794 > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19462-368-65?cc=1867501&wc=10921757 > North Carolina, Probate Records 1735-1970, > Halifax, Wills, 1781-1824 vol. 3 > Vol. 3, Page 228 > Image 261 of 763 > > It appears to me that if Walter Brewster's estimates of the birth years of > Joseph Edwards' children are at least somewhat accurate, then a Mary Ann > Higgs born about 1749 could not be the mother of the first five children: > Sarah, Jarrott, Joseph, John, and Peter. But she could possibly be the > mother of Mary, my Stourton, Jonathan, Ann, and Jesse. > Possibly, but I do not know. But was Maryan, Joseph's wife, the same person > > as Mary Ann Higgs born about 1749? If not, then whoever Maryan Edwards was, > > she might be the mother of more of the younger children, but not of Sarah > Edwards Daniel, the eldest, who was a granddaughter of Thomas Suit. > > Will have to check for information on Richard Suit and whether he could be > Maryan's/MaryAnn's father, as you men-tioned that some have suggested. > > Also, need to find someone to explain how to access the digital images on > the Maryland State Archives site. That worked fine for me a few years ago, > but now find it impossible to search (successfully). > > Regards, Dan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "C Greenwell" <cgreenwell01@gmail.com> wrote: > December 31, 2012 10:10 AM >> Hi Dan, >> This is what I have for Joseph Edwards (d. 1794), Halifax County, NC: >> >> Joseph Edwards married first, the daughter, Sarah (?), of Thomas >> Suit, Sr. and Christian Dent before 1765 and they had a daughter named >> Sarah Edwards (b. 1755). >> >> Will of Thomas Suite, SMC 10/16/1765-11/4/1771. Children: Dent, >> Thomas, Ann Noe. Grandson: Dent Suite of Thomas. Granddaughter: Sarah >> Edwards of Joseph Edwards. Exec: Daughter-in-law, Mary Bright. Wit: >> Hezekiah Turner,Nathaniel Suite, Samuel Cooksey Barron. (Maryland >> Calendar of Wills). >> >> Joseph's first wife was likely deceased before his father in law wrote >> his will on 16 Oct 1765. >> >> Joseph married second, Maryan. I suspect that they were married about >> 1758 based on the birth dates of their children: Jarrot, Joseph, John, >> Peter, Mary, Stourton, Jonathan, Ann, and Jesse. >> >> Writing in 1994 (two issues of the Chester Co. Genealogical Society >> "Bulletin"), Walter Whatley Brewster states: >> >> "Joseph, Jr. and Maryan (Suit) Edwards had the following children: >> Sarah Edwards, b. ca. 1755, m. Ambrose Daniel ca. 1773; Jarrott >> Edwards, b. ca. 1757, m. 1) Susannah Porter, and 2) Rebecca Bell; >> Joseph Edwards, III, ca. 1759, m. Elizabeth (Turner); John Edwards, b. >> ca. 1761, d. 1820, m. Olive Exum; Peter Edwards, b. ca. 1763; Mary >> Edwards, b. ca. 1765, d. 1861, m. Iles Cooper; Stourton Edwards, b. >> ca. 1768, d 15 Nov 1838, m. Sarah _____: Jonathan Edwards b. ca. 1770, >> m. Mary _____; Ann Edwards, b. ca. 1772; and Jesse Edwards, b. ca. >> 1774." >> >> Also, notice in Joseph's will that he mentions his daughter Sarah >> separately from his and Maryan's children. >> >> Will of Joseph Edwards (my transcription), >> Halifax Co.. NC will book 1781-1825 vol. 3. p.228; 8 Sep 1783; >> proved May Session 1794 >> To: Son Jarrot Edwards 150 A of land laying on the north side of the >> Horse Pin Branch. >> To: beloved Maryan all the land whereon I now live and all my househod >> furniture and all of my personal effects for her natural life or >> widowhood. >> To: at my widows death or marriage, I give to my daughter Sarah Daniel >> one feather bed, cow, and calf. >> To; my children Joseph, John, Peter, Mary, Stourton, Jonathan, Ann, >> Jesse. each a feather bed, cow, and calf. >> At the death of my widow all of my land to be sold and the money >> distributed to each of my children equally, except Jarrot. And the >> rest of my estate to be devided between all my children equally. >> Exec: Wife Maryan and son Jarrot equally >> Wit: Malicka Butt, Richard Suit, James Neal, Thomas Hall >> >> Now, who is Maryan? There are some reseachers who say that she is the >> daughter of Samuel Higgs and his wife Elizabeth. I have also seen some >> who believe that she is the daughter of Richard Suit. I am not sure >> and have not found any proof either way. >> >> Randy >> On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Daniel B. Troublefield wrote:>> >>> A revision of part of my previous posting seems in order. >>> I'm still curious whether there is a record of Joseph Edwards's first >>> wife's >>> given name as Sarah. >>> >>> But I can see why it seems unlikely that Thomas Suite had a daughter >>> named >>> Mary Ann or Maryan who was not named in his will and the naming of Sarah >>> >>> Edwards as daughter of >>> Joseph Edwards does seem to imply that Sarah Edwards' mother (whatever >>> her name might have >>> been) was deceased. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Daniel B. Troublefield" <dantrouble@comporium.net> >>> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:59 PM >>> > My Stourton/Strutton was a son of Joseph Edwards, died 1794; and >>> > grandson >>> > of Joseph Edwards, died 1746. >>> > >>> > Am aware that Thomas Suit(e) (of 1765 will) had a daughter (name >>> > unknown) >>> > who married Joseph Edwards and had a daughter Sarah Edwards. >>> > >>> > Is there any record that Stourton's father Joseph (1794 will) had a >>> > wife >>> > named Sarah? >>> > >>> > Or that Thomas Suit(e) (of 1765 will) had a daughter named Sarah? >>> > >>> > A direct, contemporary record from their lifetimes? >>> > >>> > I understand that there is no proof of my Stourton's mother's >>> > identity. >>> > >>> > Some think that his mother was Mary Ann Suit. That is the view >>> > that I learned from Walter W. Brewster's articles on our Edwards >>> > families for The Bulletin (Chester District Genealogical Society, >>> > Richburg, South Carolina). >>> > >>> > Linda Reno believes that she was Mary Ann Higgs. >>> > >>> > Joseph Edwards (1794 will) had a wife named Maryan or Mary Ann. >>> > Perhaps she was a Higgs, but is there any direct proof? Deeds perhaps? >>> > >>> > My questions, above, are based on a posting by Linda Reno on 9 Aug >>> > 2009. >>> > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/MDSTMARY/2009-08/1249842252 >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

You are welcome. Unfortunately, I haven not been able to do much research due to loss of much eyesight this past year, but would love to find out who the particular William Suit was -- who was first found in Granville Co., NC in the 1771 tax list. I strongly believe that he may have been another son of Thomas Suite, Jr. but no proof. But that tax list does prove that Suit/Suite folks were in NC prior to the Revolution. We know Thos. Suite, Jr. was living in 1769 as he bought a church pew with Thos., Sr. in SMC and also was in his dad's will that was written 1765 and probated 1771. No clue what became of him after 1771 when his father died. Dent Suit, I, also had a son named Thomas as did Nathaniel, I, so it is confusing. > From: dantrouble@comporium.net > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 00:45:59 -0500 > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] My Edwards lineage > > Thanks, Bonnie, for the Suit(e) info, especially the additional information > on Samuel "Sute". > > Was reading some of your postings on the the Suites on Genealogy Forum this > evening. > > So many names are new to me. There is a lot to absorb. I have so many > questions that it will take me awhile to express them all. > > HNY 2013! > Dan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <bonnietreon@hotmail.com> > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 9:16 PM > Re: your question > > Other than proximity of residence, are there any records that associate > > Samuel Higgs' family with Thomas Suit(e)'s family directly? > > ---- > > My Answer: > > > > Possibly- > According to tax records in NC- a man named Samuel "Sute" is > > found in WARREN CO., NC tax > > records in 1780 in Daniel Sledge's District. > > > > *He may be the one from Samuel Higgs, Sr.'s admin.> accts. in SMC in 1759. > > > > I have an old email from June 2008 from Linda noting a man named Samuel > > Suite was being paid > > by the estate of Samuel Higgs, Sr. in 1759 in SMC so that means this > > specific Samuel Suite was > > probably born before 1739. > > > > Not sure how he connects to Thomas Suite, Sr. but I strongly believe this > > particular Samuel Suite > > was a son of Thomas Suite, *Jr.*(not Sr.) and was thus a grandson of Thos. > > Suite, Sr. and a brother > > of the Dent Suit, Jr. who was found in Granville Co., NC in 1784-1790. > > > > It is my belief after much research that Thos. Suite, Sr. was b. in the > > 1680's at latest and was > > very old when he died by 1771. It is a good possibility due to his > > advanced age that he had more > > children who may have predeceased him--that we do not know about-- but no > > records have been found > > to support this. > > > > I say this because we know that Benjamin Suit (d. 1810 SMC) was s/o Dent > > Suite, I, (d. 1792 SMC > > testate) who was son of Thos. Suite, I. > > > > Benjamin Suite had a son named Alexander Suite (land records prove this) > > who was in the 1778 Oath of Allegiance in Harford Co. MD (near Balto.) He > > was married in 1784 in Greene Co., TN and d. in the War of 1812 somewhere > > near Ohio (per muster roll.) > > > > Alexander Suite/Suit (I)was probably b. by 1758 (estimate)so his father > > Benjamin Suit was probably b. bef. 1738 so his father Dent SUIT, I, (d. > > 1792 SMC)was probably b. before 1718 in my estimation. > > > > Christian Dent, Dent Suite, Sr.'s possible mother was apparently still > > single in 1712 when her own father > > John Dent died. > > > > We also do not know if Thomas Suite was married prior to m. Christian > > Dent. No known records. > > Bonnie > > > >> From: dantrouble@comporium.net Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 >> > My 4th great-grandparents were Stourton (alias Strutton) Edwards, > >> 1767-1838, and Sarah Foreman of Taylors Creek, York County, > >> South Carolina. ======== > >> My Stourton/Strutton was a son of Joseph Edwards, died 1794; and grandson > >> of Joseph Edwards, died 1746. > >> > >> Am aware that Thomas Suit(e) (of 1765 will) had a daughter (name unknown) > >> who married Joseph Edwards and had a daughter Sarah Edwards. > >> > >> Is there any record that Stourton's father Joseph (1794 will) had a wife > >> named Sarah? > >> > >> Or that Thomas Suit(e) (of 1765 will) had a daughter named Sarah? > >> > >> A direct, contemporary record from their lifetimes? > >> > >> I understand that there is no proof of my Stourton's mother's identity. > >> > >> Some think that his mother was Mary Ann Suit. That is the view > >> that I learned from Walter W. Brewster's articles on our Edwards > >> families for The Bulletin (Chester District Genealogical Society, > >> Richburg, South Carolina). > >> > >> Linda Reno believes that she was Mary Ann Higgs. > >> > >> Joseph Edwards (1794 will) had a wife named Maryan or Mary Ann. > >> Perhaps she was a Higgs, but is there any direct proof? Deeds perhaps? > >> > >> Do we know for certain that Thomas Suit(e)'s 1765 will named ALL of > >> his grandchildren living at the time? > >> > >> Joseph Edwards (1794 will) had eleven children, all but the last four may > >> have been living in 1765 when Thomas Suite wrote his will. > >> > >> Other than proximity of residence, are there any records that associate > >> Samuel Higgs' family with Thomas Suit(e)'s family directly? > >> > >> Possible indirect link: What connection might Samuel Suite (mentioned > >> in Samuel Higgs' loose estate papers) be to Thomas Suite? > >> > >> Any records of a close association (other than residence) > >> between the families of Samuel Higgs and Joseph Edwards? > >> > >> My questions, above, are based on a posting by Linda Reno on 9 Aug 2009. > >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/MDSTMARY/2009-08/1249842252 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Two books indicate Eleanor O'Bryan's father is Philip, son of Matthias, son of Matthias O'Bryan.  Snatches of O'Daniel, Hamilton, and allied ancestry and history in Maryland and Kentucky Somerset, Ohio: Rosary Press, 1933, 103 pgs Origins of Clements-Spalding and allied families of Maryland and Kentucky Authors: Clements, J. W. S. City of Publication: Louisville Publisher: Standard Press Date: 1928   I have these books if you need more information.   Also, if anyone has a library connection, you can get an ID to access Heritage Quest which is where I got the two referenced books.   Happy New Year to you all,   Betty --- On Thu, 12/20/12, K Mills <justwannabe_kat@yahoo.com> wrote: From: K Mills <justwannabe_kat@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] O'Bryan in Maryland To: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com, mdstmary@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, December 20, 2012, 7:53 AM Would love to swap info. Trying to settle an age old question of whether my ancestress Eleanor O'Bryan was related to Phillip or William. She and Samuel Abell had children in St. Mary's County, MD, Many Abells left for Nelson then Washington County, KY ca 1790. Being female with no will or land of her own, she was only mentioned in the early Catholic records as godparent at birth of slaves in Jesuit archives. Sorting out the O'Bryans has been a headache. I have direct Irish Ancestry from Co. Roscommon from another line, so this would be fun. < , |/ < ' /|     Kat Mills    --- On Wed, 12/19/12, gc-gateway@rootsweb.com <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> wrote: From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] O'Bryan in Maryland To: MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, December 19, 2012, 9:21 PM This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: TheresaOBryanWilson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.stmarys/410.1701.6.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I received entire chart from my brother (deceased 1/12) of our line of O'Bryans from Co Armagh, to MD, Nelson Co, finally Daviess County, KY. Have been trying to find out more about the Ship Russ and any info on Philip O'Bryan's history in Ireland prior to immigrating to USA. Thanks Theresa O'Bryan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Bonnie, for the Suit(e) info, especially the additional information on Samuel "Sute". Was reading some of your postings on the the Suites on Genealogy Forum this evening. So many names are new to me. There is a lot to absorb. I have so many questions that it will take me awhile to express them all. HNY 2013! Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: <bonnietreon@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 9:16 PM Re: your question > Other than proximity of residence, are there any records that associate > Samuel Higgs' family with Thomas Suit(e)'s family directly? > ---- > My Answer: > > Possibly- > According to tax records in NC- a man named Samuel "Sute" is > found in WARREN CO., NC tax > records in 1780 in Daniel Sledge's District. > > *He may be the one from Samuel Higgs, Sr.'s admin.> accts. in SMC in 1759. > > I have an old email from June 2008 from Linda noting a man named Samuel > Suite was being paid > by the estate of Samuel Higgs, Sr. in 1759 in SMC so that means this > specific Samuel Suite was > probably born before 1739. > > Not sure how he connects to Thomas Suite, Sr. but I strongly believe this > particular Samuel Suite > was a son of Thomas Suite, *Jr.*(not Sr.) and was thus a grandson of Thos. > Suite, Sr. and a brother > of the Dent Suit, Jr. who was found in Granville Co., NC in 1784-1790. > > It is my belief after much research that Thos. Suite, Sr. was b. in the > 1680's at latest and was > very old when he died by 1771. It is a good possibility due to his > advanced age that he had more > children who may have predeceased him--that we do not know about-- but no > records have been found > to support this. > > I say this because we know that Benjamin Suit (d. 1810 SMC) was s/o Dent > Suite, I, (d. 1792 SMC > testate) who was son of Thos. Suite, I. > > Benjamin Suite had a son named Alexander Suite (land records prove this) > who was in the 1778 Oath of Allegiance in Harford Co. MD (near Balto.) He > was married in 1784 in Greene Co., TN and d. in the War of 1812 somewhere > near Ohio (per muster roll.) > > Alexander Suite/Suit (I)was probably b. by 1758 (estimate)so his father > Benjamin Suit was probably b. bef. 1738 so his father Dent SUIT, I, (d. > 1792 SMC)was probably b. before 1718 in my estimation. > > Christian Dent, Dent Suite, Sr.'s possible mother was apparently still > single in 1712 when her own father > John Dent died. > > We also do not know if Thomas Suite was married prior to m. Christian > Dent. No known records. > Bonnie > >> From: dantrouble@comporium.net Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 >> My 4th great-grandparents were Stourton (alias Strutton) Edwards, >> 1767-1838, and Sarah Foreman of Taylors Creek, York County, >> South Carolina. ======== >> My Stourton/Strutton was a son of Joseph Edwards, died 1794; and grandson >> of Joseph Edwards, died 1746. >> >> Am aware that Thomas Suit(e) (of 1765 will) had a daughter (name unknown) >> who married Joseph Edwards and had a daughter Sarah Edwards. >> >> Is there any record that Stourton's father Joseph (1794 will) had a wife >> named Sarah? >> >> Or that Thomas Suit(e) (of 1765 will) had a daughter named Sarah? >> >> A direct, contemporary record from their lifetimes? >> >> I understand that there is no proof of my Stourton's mother's identity. >> >> Some think that his mother was Mary Ann Suit. That is the view >> that I learned from Walter W. Brewster's articles on our Edwards >> families for The Bulletin (Chester District Genealogical Society, >> Richburg, South Carolina). >> >> Linda Reno believes that she was Mary Ann Higgs. >> >> Joseph Edwards (1794 will) had a wife named Maryan or Mary Ann. >> Perhaps she was a Higgs, but is there any direct proof? Deeds perhaps? >> >> Do we know for certain that Thomas Suit(e)'s 1765 will named ALL of >> his grandchildren living at the time? >> >> Joseph Edwards (1794 will) had eleven children, all but the last four may >> have been living in 1765 when Thomas Suite wrote his will. >> >> Other than proximity of residence, are there any records that associate >> Samuel Higgs' family with Thomas Suit(e)'s family directly? >> >> Possible indirect link: What connection might Samuel Suite (mentioned >> in Samuel Higgs' loose estate papers) be to Thomas Suite? >> >> Any records of a close association (other than residence) >> between the families of Samuel Higgs and Joseph Edwards? >> >> My questions, above, are based on a posting by Linda Reno on 9 Aug 2009. >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/MDSTMARY/2009-08/1249842252