This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mimisjam Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.stmarys/857.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: James Henry Quade married Cecilia A. Copsey June 8, 1831. Their children were William F. who married Margaret Pilkerton, (3 children)James Henry Jr. m. Sarah Ann Wheeler (5/28/1853) (7Children),Charles Llewellen m. Mary Gertrude Pilkerton and Susan A. Copsey (10 Children),Lydia Ann m. John Daniel Morgan(1/16/1855)(16 Children)Mary Ellen (Eliza) my great-grandmother b.1838, d.11/5/1926 married William Henry Thomas(8 Children)Andrew Jackson divorced Dorothy Jarboe and then married Margaret Lavonia Thompson (4 children)John Columbus. Julia Dean (3 children), she married George Washington Morgan brother of Daniel (2/21/1871). Isaac Emmanuel (6 children) spouse not known, Sarah Mary Jane Rebecca m. Richard Gatton (1/14/1865) (6 children)Joseph F. no record of him.Cecilia Marie married 5/7/1866 (11 children)Oscar Decatur m.Mary Jane Virginia Alvey, Jnae Hooper, and a Kate ? by 1889 (8 children) Robert Stewart b. 12/1852 m.Josephine Pilkerton and Lucy Oliver (9 children), Richard Edward m. Elizabeth Pilkerton (16 children),Margaret Elizabeth b. 1856 m. Thomas Franklin Dean 11/26/1873 She died in 1939 (15 children)Elizabeth (Eliza) Catherine m. Zachariah Owens 4/7/1876 (13 children),Edmond Morris 1847-1850, This makes for a lot of relatives. Miriam Dawson Lopez Fischnar daughter of Martha Hayden. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Not sure if we are talking about same person. Robert Cole married Rebecca GILL daughter of Benjamin GILL . She was previously married to a John KNOTT Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 07:18:40 -0700 X-Original-Sender: lreno@erols.com Thu Nov 8 07:18:40 2001 Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 09:16:14 -0500 From: Linda Reno <lreno@erols.com> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY-L] Gough --Heard To: MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com I haven't finished reviewing this message, but for the first part, I'd like to add: Rebecca, the wife of Robert Cole, was the widow of John Knott. I believe that Robert Cole married Elizabeth Tant, not Elizabeth Herbert. 12/1/1724: Admin. accts. of John Tant, SMC. Payments to (among others): Mr. Robert Ford who married the widow and Exec. of Mr. James Tant. Legatees: Mrs. Mary Tant (left her by her father, dec'd); Ann Tant; Mr. Thomas Thompson and his wife; Elizabeth Cole; Winifred Herbert; Margaret Tant; Eleanor Deacon. Exec.: Margaret Tant (also Mrs. Mary Tant). Note that this time she's called Elizabeth Cole. Colonial Settlers of St. Clement's Bay by Mary Louise Donnelly states that Elizabeth Herbert was the daughter of Matthew Herbert and Grace Hayden and that she married first, Robert Cole and second, James Thompson. She states that James Thompson and his wife Elizabeth administered the estate of Robert Cole in 1722. NOTE: This is incorrect. Elizabeth Herbert, dau. of Matthew and Grace, was under the age of 21 and was single in 1750 at the time of the will of her brother, William Herbert. Vitus Herbert (who m. Winifred Tant, sister of Elizabeth) was one of the witnesses to the will of Robert Cole in 1720. Linda Reno ----- Original Message ----- From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com To: MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 6:39:46 AM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] KNOTT This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: FFarley44 Surnames: KNOTT Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.stmarys/512.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Knott Folks.....Do you have your immigrant Knott to St Mary's c1650? Francis Knott & sister Ann Knott came to St Mary's with their mother Rebecca & stepfather Robert Cole. I am descended through Ann Knott. Her father was Francis Knott Sr (who died England). Widow Rebecca Knott married Robert Cole before coming to Maryland. Robert was a freeholder at St Clements & Catholic. Have much info on the family. Frances Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks! Will try tonight. -----Original Message----- From: Fredric Z. Saunders <fzsaund@ix.netcom.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 5:35 PM To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Land Pat EI 1, EI2, EI3 Yes. You may have to copy and paste links, or just follow the procedure below. Go to: http://msa.maryland.gov/megafile/msa/stagser/s1500/s1529/html/0000.html Select Saint Mary's County http://plato.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/stagser/s1500/s1529/cfm/dsp_court.cf m?county=sm Select "St. Mary's County Land Survey, Subdivsison and Condonminum Plats" http://plato.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/stagser/s1500/s1529/cfm/dsp_plats.cf m?county=sm Select: "Patents, SM, Tract Index, S1598, 1633-1966" http://plato.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/stagser/s1500/s1529/cfm/dsp_seriesin dex.cfm?county=sm&qualifier=s&series=1598 You will see EI 1, E1 2, and EI 3 http://plato.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/stagser/s1500/s1529/cfm/dsp_seriesin dex.cfm?county=sm&qualifier=s&series=1598 That's assuming the tracts you want are in present day St. Mary's County. If another county, you need to start at the first page and go to that county and follow the same procedure. Rick Saunders -----Original Message----- From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of K Mills Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 3:36 PM To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Land Pat EI 1, EI2, EI3 Tom, The archives indicate that these Land Record microfilms/or libers may have been scanned.Does this mean they may be online? Series InformationLAND OFFICE(Patent Record)1732-1734SM2 Date:1732-1734Book Name:EI 1Film Reels:SR 7473 (Scanned)Description: MSA Citation:MSA SM2-59 Series InformationLAND OFFICE(Patent Record)1734-1739SM2 Date:1734-1739Book Name:EI 2Film Reels:SR 7474 (Scanned)Description: MSA Citation:MSA SM2-60Series InformationLAND OFFICE(Patent Record)1730-1737SM2 Date:1730-1737Book Name:EI 3Film Reels:SR 7475 (Scanned)Description: MSA Citation:MSA SM2-61 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes. You may have to copy and paste links, or just follow the procedure below. Go to: http://msa.maryland.gov/megafile/msa/stagser/s1500/s1529/html/0000.html Select Saint Mary's County http://plato.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/stagser/s1500/s1529/cfm/dsp_court.cf m?county=sm Select "St. Mary's County Land Survey, Subdivsison and Condonminum Plats" http://plato.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/stagser/s1500/s1529/cfm/dsp_plats.cf m?county=sm Select: "Patents, SM, Tract Index, S1598, 1633-1966" http://plato.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/stagser/s1500/s1529/cfm/dsp_seriesin dex.cfm?county=sm&qualifier=s&series=1598 You will see EI 1, E1 2, and EI 3 http://plato.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/stagser/s1500/s1529/cfm/dsp_seriesin dex.cfm?county=sm&qualifier=s&series=1598 That's assuming the tracts you want are in present day St. Mary's County. If another county, you need to start at the first page and go to that county and follow the same procedure. Rick Saunders -----Original Message----- From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of K Mills Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 3:36 PM To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Land Pat EI 1, EI2, EI3 Tom, The archives indicate that these Land Record microfilms/or libers may have been scanned.Does this mean they may be online? Series InformationLAND OFFICE(Patent Record)1732-1734SM2 Date:1732-1734Book Name:EI 1Film Reels:SR 7473 (Scanned)Description: MSA Citation:MSA SM2-59 Series InformationLAND OFFICE(Patent Record)1734-1739SM2 Date:1734-1739Book Name:EI 2Film Reels:SR 7474 (Scanned)Description: MSA Citation:MSA SM2-60Series InformationLAND OFFICE(Patent Record)1730-1737SM2 Date:1730-1737Book Name:EI 3Film Reels:SR 7475 (Scanned)Description: MSA Citation:MSA SM2-61

Kat *Related Series* - MARYLAND INDEXES (Patents, Index) S1426 1634-1985<http://guide.mdsa.net/series.cfm?action=viewSeries&ID=S1426> - MARYLAND INDEXES (Patents, WA, Tract Index) S1427 1731-1961<http://guide.mdsa.net/series.cfm?action=viewSeries&ID=S1427> - MARYLAND INDEXES (Patents, Manor Index) S1436 1634-1804<http://guide.mdsa.net/series.cfm?action=viewSeries&ID=S1436> - LAND OFFICE (Patent Record, Original) S920 1657-1815<http://guide.mdsa.net/series.cfm?action=viewSeries&ID=S920> - LAND OFFICE (Patent Record) SM2 1637-1975<http://guide.mdsa.net/series.cfm?action=viewSeries&ID=SM2> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:55 PM, K Mills <justwannabe_kat@yahoo.com> wrote: > Okay, UGGG. > So if the USHER deed actually says Mary wife of John Abell...we may be > looking at typos or three marriages. > I know everyone discounts this, citing how well versed the clerks were but > I have found a number of transcript discrepancies when you compare the > Archives wills with same existing ones from St. Mary's of the same period. > My assumption is that most of the mistakes were likely NOT the St. Mary's > ones because they would have had more intimate knowledge of the families > involved? > This will be my ultimate goal at Maryland Archives this year- to SEE that > USHER deed. > Do I have the right John Abell with will 1746 and Frances____ as exec?Any > takers for who this Frances was?I think that was still back and forth, > right? > < , |/ > < ' /| Kat Mills > > --- On Wed, 2/13/13, John Dobricky <john.dobricky@gmail.com> wrote: > > From: John Dobricky <john.dobricky@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Fisher or Usher and John Abell > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 2:42 PM > > OK.....I'm sure you all have already investigated this but......... > > 1) Could there have been two contemporaneous men named "John Abell" > living in Maryland with a wife named "Mary"? This happens all the > time. We have no proof that the John and Mary (Usher?) Abell were the > same people as the John and Mary (Fisher?) Abell. Kent County, MD, > and SMC are a long way apart. > > 2) To the best of my knowledge, there are no "Thomas Abell"s in the > next couple of generations of descendants of the "John Abell" who was > married to Mary (Fisher?Usher?) and who lived in SMC. This would have > been unusual. The John Abell in SMC did have a son named "Edward," > however--probably named for Edward Fisher. > > 3) Of course, there is also the intriguing similarity between the > surnames "Fisher" and "Usher"--they would be easy to confuse when > reading records written in early 18th century handwriting. > > Just a few thoughts. Feedback welcome. John Dobricky > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Thomas Jennings <consettct@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Linda > > > > I think he may have wed both. > > > > Tom > > > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> > wrote: > > > >> Back to this argument. Tom Jennings believes she was Mary Usher. I say > >> she > >> was Mary Fisher. > >> > >> My note to the list, 1/2004: > >> > >> There are those who claim that Mary Usher, daughter of Thomas Usher, was > >> the > >> wife of John Abell based on a land record which named Mary, wife of John > >> Abell, in 1715. This won't work as Mary was named as a minor in her > >> father's will in 1714. She was not old enough to have married John > Abell > >> and have had 3 children by 1715. The wife of John Abell of SMC was ____ > >> FISHER, daughter of Edward Fisher. > >> > >> PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 1734 Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which > Thomas > >> Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who > sold > >> her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll. (Note to me from Tom Jennings, > 1/17/2004). > >> > >> Pete only does St. Mary's County land records. > >> > >> Linda Reno > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] > >> On Behalf Of K Mills > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 3:11 PM > >> To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Fisher or Usher and John Abell > >> > >> > >> > >> Okay, I found my former notes, Linda.I hate when I miss a bunch of posts > >> for > >> work travel, because it take me a while to get my brain in gear.John > Abells > >> have had me going round and round for years. > >> I found this site that gives more info, but I can't verify > >> it. > >> > >> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ritchiegenealogy/ritchie/7 > >> 869.htm< > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ritchiegenealogy/ritchie/7869.htm > > > >> I suspected that this inventory was filed BY Edward USHER for estate of > >> Thomas USHER.Brother or son Edward who was heir at law, or > son-in-law?Need > >> original to double check.Would Pete be able to find out the land in > KENT Co > >> or if this deed transcript actually says wife of JOHN ABELL? > >> PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which Thomas > >> Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who > sold > >> her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll. > >> PATENTS: Kent Co., Md. Thomas Usher 1705: Usher's Lott, The Neglect.1735 > >> (George Usher) Usher's > >> > >> Pt./Killinsworthmore. > ****************************************************** > >> ***********************John > >> Abell d. 1746 m. 1st Mary Usher 2nd Francis_____ > >> Abstract of Will of John Abell, dated: 15 Sep 1746 probated: 9 Nov 1746 > St. > >> Marys Co. > >> It named wife, Frances as adm. "my wife's son, John Howell and my > "dau-in > >> law, Catherine Hutchings" (step-dau. ?) son, Enoch Abell given 33 acres > of > >> Southern days; son, Cuthbert also named. In a codocil, he named his > >> brother, > >> Samuel Abell. Witnessed by Nathan Hickman, John Walker, and John > >> Swails.codicil: brother Samuel, witnessed by Robert Hutchings > >> Skinner, Abst of Inv 1744-1748p74John Abell, Sr. 35.89 > SM 68.158 > >> Apr 8 1747Appraisers: > >> John Read, Nathanial nickamnCreditors: John Abell, Gilbert IrelandNext > of > >> Kin: John Abell, Samuel AbellAdministratrix, Frances Abell > >> So are we now thinking there really was a son in law FISHER and this is > not > >> Usher family? > >> Edward Fisher[Usher] Accts, 368,75 5/13/1714 John Abell for his unnamed > >> wife, a child's part Thomas Batson for his unnamed wife, a child's > >> part payments to David Watson, John Abell, Henry Lowe, Thomas Price. > Admin. > >> William Thompson. > >> Inv. of Edward Fisher[Usher] 33b.143 1/13/1712 kin: John Abell, Thomas > >> Batson Thomas Batson 21.30 7/24/1735 Inv. Ref: FTM CD > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Kat Linda & I actually agree on this (not as rare as it seems) I believe we both have Frances Wilkinson, d/.o William Wilkinson & Catherine Stone. As for that 1710 marriage of Mary to John Abell, I have doubts as I think she would have been referred to as Mary Abell in the will, however many wills just gave first names. Can not find a distribution for Thomas Usher naming children ---- On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:55 PM, K Mills <justwannabe_kat@yahoo.com> wrote: > Okay, UGGG. > So if the USHER deed actually says Mary wife of John Abell...we may be > looking at typos or three marriages. > I know everyone discounts this, citing how well versed the clerks were but > I have found a number of transcript discrepancies when you compare the > Archives wills with same existing ones from St. Mary's of the same period. > My assumption is that most of the mistakes were likely NOT the St. Mary's > ones because they would have had more intimate knowledge of the families > involved? > This will be my ultimate goal at Maryland Archives this year- to SEE that > USHER deed. > Do I have the right John Abell with will 1746 and Frances____ as exec?Any > takers for who this Frances was?I think that was still back and forth, > right? > < , |/ > < ' /| Kat Mills > > --- On Wed, 2/13/13, John Dobricky <john.dobricky@gmail.com> wrote: > > From: John Dobricky <john.dobricky@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Fisher or Usher and John Abell > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 2:42 PM > > OK.....I'm sure you all have already investigated this but......... > > 1) Could there have been two contemporaneous men named "John Abell" > living in Maryland with a wife named "Mary"? This happens all the > time. We have no proof that the John and Mary (Usher?) Abell were the > same people as the John and Mary (Fisher?) Abell. Kent County, MD, > and SMC are a long way apart. > > 2) To the best of my knowledge, there are no "Thomas Abell"s in the > next couple of generations of descendants of the "John Abell" who was > married to Mary (Fisher?Usher?) and who lived in SMC. This would have > been unusual. The John Abell in SMC did have a son named "Edward," > however--probably named for Edward Fisher. > > 3) Of course, there is also the intriguing similarity between the > surnames "Fisher" and "Usher"--they would be easy to confuse when > reading records written in early 18th century handwriting. > > Just a few thoughts. Feedback welcome. John Dobricky > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Thomas Jennings <consettct@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Linda > > > > I think he may have wed both. > > > > Tom > > > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> > wrote: > > > >> Back to this argument. Tom Jennings believes she was Mary Usher. I say > >> she > >> was Mary Fisher. > >> > >> My note to the list, 1/2004: > >> > >> There are those who claim that Mary Usher, daughter of Thomas Usher, was > >> the > >> wife of John Abell based on a land record which named Mary, wife of John > >> Abell, in 1715. This won't work as Mary was named as a minor in her > >> father's will in 1714. She was not old enough to have married John > Abell > >> and have had 3 children by 1715. The wife of John Abell of SMC was ____ > >> FISHER, daughter of Edward Fisher. > >> > >> PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 1734 Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which > Thomas > >> Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who > sold > >> her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll. (Note to me from Tom Jennings, > 1/17/2004). > >> > >> Pete only does St. Mary's County land records. > >> > >> Linda Reno > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] > >> On Behalf Of K Mills > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 3:11 PM > >> To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Fisher or Usher and John Abell > >> > >> > >> > >> Okay, I found my former notes, Linda.I hate when I miss a bunch of posts > >> for > >> work travel, because it take me a while to get my brain in gear.John > Abells > >> have had me going round and round for years. > >> I found this site that gives more info, but I can't verify > >> it. > >> > >> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ritchiegenealogy/ritchie/7 > >> 869.htm< > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ritchiegenealogy/ritchie/7869.htm > > > >> I suspected that this inventory was filed BY Edward USHER for estate of > >> Thomas USHER.Brother or son Edward who was heir at law, or > son-in-law?Need > >> original to double check.Would Pete be able to find out the land in > KENT Co > >> or if this deed transcript actually says wife of JOHN ABELL? > >> PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which Thomas > >> Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who > sold > >> her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll. > >> PATENTS: Kent Co., Md. Thomas Usher 1705: Usher's Lott, The Neglect.1735 > >> (George Usher) Usher's > >> > >> Pt./Killinsworthmore. > ****************************************************** > >> ***********************John > >> Abell d. 1746 m. 1st Mary Usher 2nd Francis_____ > >> Abstract of Will of John Abell, dated: 15 Sep 1746 probated: 9 Nov 1746 > St. > >> Marys Co. > >> It named wife, Frances as adm. "my wife's son, John Howell and my > "dau-in > >> law, Catherine Hutchings" (step-dau. ?) son, Enoch Abell given 33 acres > of > >> Southern days; son, Cuthbert also named. In a codocil, he named his > >> brother, > >> Samuel Abell. Witnessed by Nathan Hickman, John Walker, and John > >> Swails.codicil: brother Samuel, witnessed by Robert Hutchings > >> Skinner, Abst of Inv 1744-1748p74John Abell, Sr. 35.89 > SM 68.158 > >> Apr 8 1747Appraisers: > >> John Read, Nathanial nickamnCreditors: John Abell, Gilbert IrelandNext > of > >> Kin: John Abell, Samuel AbellAdministratrix, Frances Abell > >> So are we now thinking there really was a son in law FISHER and this is > not > >> Usher family? > >> Edward Fisher[Usher] Accts, 368,75 5/13/1714 John Abell for his unnamed > >> wife, a child's part Thomas Batson for his unnamed wife, a child's > >> part payments to David Watson, John Abell, Henry Lowe, Thomas Price. > Admin. > >> William Thompson. > >> Inv. of Edward Fisher[Usher] 33b.143 1/13/1712 kin: John Abell, Thomas > >> Batson Thomas Batson 21.30 7/24/1735 Inv. Ref: FTM CD > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi again. From a cursory glance at the records involving the Ushers of Kent County, MD, there seem to be som possible SMC connections: 1) Daniel Sullivan was one of the witnesses to the Will of Thomas Usher in Kent County, MD. There was at least one contemporaneous Daniel Sullivan in SMC--and more in Virginia at the time. 2) Joseph Langley was another witness to the Will of Thomas Usher of Kent County, MD--we all know there was a Langley family in SMC. 3) "John Heyden" received a payment from the Estate of Thomas Usher of Kent County, MD, on 11/10/1715. Was he related to the Hayden family of SMC? Food for thought. John D. On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Thomas Jennings <consettct@gmail.com> wrote: > PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 1734 Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which Thomas > Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who sold > her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll. (Note to me from Tom Jennings, 1/17/2004). > > Could this wording mean she was Jolhn Abell's wife at time of sale 1734? > > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Back to this argument. Tom Jennings believes she was Mary Usher. I say >> she >> was Mary Fisher. >> >> My note to the list, 1/2004: >> >> There are those who claim that Mary Usher, daughter of Thomas Usher, was >> the >> wife of John Abell based on a land record which named Mary, wife of John >> Abell, in 1715. This won't work as Mary was named as a minor in her >> father's will in 1714. She was not old enough to have married John Abell >> and have had 3 children by 1715. The wife of John Abell of SMC was ____ >> FISHER, daughter of Edward Fisher. >> >> PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 1734 Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which Thomas >> Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who sold >> her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll. (Note to me from Tom Jennings, 1/17/2004). >> >> Pete only does St. Mary's County land records. >> >> Linda Reno >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of K Mills >> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 3:11 PM >> To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Fisher or Usher and John Abell >> >> >> >> Okay, I found my former notes, Linda.I hate when I miss a bunch of posts >> for >> work travel, because it take me a while to get my brain in gear.John Abells >> have had me going round and round for years. >> I found this site that gives more info, but I can't verify >> it. >> >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ritchiegenealogy/ritchie/7 >> 869.htm<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ritchiegenealogy/ritchie/7869.htm> >> I suspected that this inventory was filed BY Edward USHER for estate of >> Thomas USHER.Brother or son Edward who was heir at law, or son-in-law?Need >> original to double check.Would Pete be able to find out the land in KENT Co >> or if this deed transcript actually says wife of JOHN ABELL? >> PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which Thomas >> Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who sold >> her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll. >> PATENTS: Kent Co., Md. Thomas Usher 1705: Usher's Lott, The Neglect.1735 >> (George Usher) Usher's >> >> Pt./Killinsworthmore. ****************************************************** >> ***********************John >> Abell d. 1746 m. 1st Mary Usher 2nd Francis_____ >> Abstract of Will of John Abell, dated: 15 Sep 1746 probated: 9 Nov 1746 St. >> Marys Co. >> It named wife, Frances as adm. "my wife's son, John Howell and my "dau-in >> law, Catherine Hutchings" (step-dau. ?) son, Enoch Abell given 33 acres of >> Southern days; son, Cuthbert also named. In a codocil, he named his >> brother, >> Samuel Abell. Witnessed by Nathan Hickman, John Walker, and John >> Swails.codicil: brother Samuel, witnessed by Robert Hutchings >> Skinner, Abst of Inv 1744-1748p74John Abell, Sr. 35.89 SM 68.158 >> Apr 8 1747Appraisers: >> John Read, Nathanial nickamnCreditors: John Abell, Gilbert IrelandNext of >> Kin: John Abell, Samuel AbellAdministratrix, Frances Abell >> So are we now thinking there really was a son in law FISHER and this is not >> Usher family? >> Edward Fisher[Usher] Accts, 368,75 5/13/1714 John Abell for his unnamed >> wife, a child's part Thomas Batson for his unnamed wife, a child's >> part payments to David Watson, John Abell, Henry Lowe, Thomas Price. Admin. >> William Thompson. >> Inv. of Edward Fisher[Usher] 33b.143 1/13/1712 kin: John Abell, Thomas >> Batson Thomas Batson 21.30 7/24/1735 Inv. 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Hi John, I do have this but have no proof of accuracy. Ancesty.com: Della Carpenter (Owner: johnsonalice) Mary Usher Birth -1695 Kent,,Maryland, - 1734 Age: 39 Death 1710 Age: 15 Marriage to John Abell ,Saint Marys,Maryland, On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:42 PM, John Dobricky <john.dobricky@gmail.com>wrote: > OK.....I'm sure you all have already investigated this but......... > > 1) Could there have been two contemporaneous men named "John Abell" > living in Maryland with a wife named "Mary"? This happens all the > time. We have no proof that the John and Mary (Usher?) Abell were the > same people as the John and Mary (Fisher?) Abell. Kent County, MD, > and SMC are a long way apart. > > 2) To the best of my knowledge, there are no "Thomas Abell"s in the > next couple of generations of descendants of the "John Abell" who was > married to Mary (Fisher?Usher?) and who lived in SMC. This would have > been unusual. The John Abell in SMC did have a son named "Edward," > however--probably named for Edward Fisher. > > 3) Of course, there is also the intriguing similarity between the > surnames "Fisher" and "Usher"--they would be easy to confuse when > reading records written in early 18th century handwriting. > > Just a few thoughts. Feedback welcome. John Dobricky > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Thomas Jennings <consettct@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Linda > > > > I think he may have wed both. > > > > Tom > > > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> > wrote: > > > >> Back to this argument. Tom Jennings believes she was Mary Usher. I say > >> she > >> was Mary Fisher. > >> > >> My note to the list, 1/2004: > >> > >> There are those who claim that Mary Usher, daughter of Thomas Usher, was > >> the > >> wife of John Abell based on a land record which named Mary, wife of John > >> Abell, in 1715. This won't work as Mary was named as a minor in her > >> father's will in 1714. She was not old enough to have married John > Abell > >> and have had 3 children by 1715. The wife of John Abell of SMC was ____ > >> FISHER, daughter of Edward Fisher. > >> > >> PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 1734 Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which > Thomas > >> Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who > sold > >> her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll. (Note to me from Tom Jennings, > 1/17/2004). > >> > >> Pete only does St. Mary's County land records. > >> > >> Linda Reno > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] > >> On Behalf Of K Mills > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 3:11 PM > >> To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Fisher or Usher and John Abell > >> > >> > >> > >> Okay, I found my former notes, Linda.I hate when I miss a bunch of posts > >> for > >> work travel, because it take me a while to get my brain in gear.John > Abells > >> have had me going round and round for years. > >> I found this site that gives more info, but I can't verify > >> it. > >> > >> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ritchiegenealogy/ritchie/7 > >> 869.htm< > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ritchiegenealogy/ritchie/7869.htm > > > >> I suspected that this inventory was filed BY Edward USHER for estate of > >> Thomas USHER.Brother or son Edward who was heir at law, or > son-in-law?Need > >> original to double check.Would Pete be able to find out the land in > KENT Co > >> or if this deed transcript actually says wife of JOHN ABELL? > >> PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which Thomas > >> Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who > sold > >> her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll. > >> PATENTS: Kent Co., Md. Thomas Usher 1705: Usher's Lott, The Neglect.1735 > >> (George Usher) Usher's > >> > >> Pt./Killinsworthmore. > ****************************************************** > >> ***********************John > >> Abell d. 1746 m. 1st Mary Usher 2nd Francis_____ > >> Abstract of Will of John Abell, dated: 15 Sep 1746 probated: 9 Nov 1746 > St. > >> Marys Co. > >> It named wife, Frances as adm. "my wife's son, John Howell and my > "dau-in > >> law, Catherine Hutchings" (step-dau. ?) son, Enoch Abell given 33 acres > of > >> Southern days; son, Cuthbert also named. In a codocil, he named his > >> brother, > >> Samuel Abell. Witnessed by Nathan Hickman, John Walker, and John > >> Swails.codicil: brother Samuel, witnessed by Robert Hutchings > >> Skinner, Abst of Inv 1744-1748p74John Abell, Sr. 35.89 SM > 68.158 > >> Apr 8 1747Appraisers: > >> John Read, Nathanial nickamnCreditors: John Abell, Gilbert IrelandNext > of > >> Kin: John Abell, Samuel AbellAdministratrix, Frances Abell > >> So are we now thinking there really was a son in law FISHER and this is > not > >> Usher family? > >> Edward Fisher[Usher] Accts, 368,75 5/13/1714 John Abell for his unnamed > >> wife, a child's part Thomas Batson for his unnamed wife, a child's > >> part payments to David Watson, John Abell, Henry Lowe, Thomas Price. > Admin. > >> William Thompson. > >> Inv. of Edward Fisher[Usher] 33b.143 1/13/1712 kin: John Abell, Thomas > >> Batson Thomas Batson 21.30 7/24/1735 Inv. 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OK.....I'm sure you all have already investigated this but......... 1) Could there have been two contemporaneous men named "John Abell" living in Maryland with a wife named "Mary"? This happens all the time. We have no proof that the John and Mary (Usher?) Abell were the same people as the John and Mary (Fisher?) Abell. Kent County, MD, and SMC are a long way apart. 2) To the best of my knowledge, there are no "Thomas Abell"s in the next couple of generations of descendants of the "John Abell" who was married to Mary (Fisher?Usher?) and who lived in SMC. This would have been unusual. The John Abell in SMC did have a son named "Edward," however--probably named for Edward Fisher. 3) Of course, there is also the intriguing similarity between the surnames "Fisher" and "Usher"--they would be easy to confuse when reading records written in early 18th century handwriting. Just a few thoughts. Feedback welcome. John Dobricky On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Thomas Jennings <consettct@gmail.com> wrote: > Linda > > I think he may have wed both. > > Tom > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Back to this argument. Tom Jennings believes she was Mary Usher. I say >> she >> was Mary Fisher. >> >> My note to the list, 1/2004: >> >> There are those who claim that Mary Usher, daughter of Thomas Usher, was >> the >> wife of John Abell based on a land record which named Mary, wife of John >> Abell, in 1715. This won't work as Mary was named as a minor in her >> father's will in 1714. She was not old enough to have married John Abell >> and have had 3 children by 1715. The wife of John Abell of SMC was ____ >> FISHER, daughter of Edward Fisher. >> >> PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 1734 Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which Thomas >> Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who sold >> her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll. (Note to me from Tom Jennings, 1/17/2004). >> >> Pete only does St. Mary's County land records. >> >> Linda Reno >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of K Mills >> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 3:11 PM >> To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Fisher or Usher and John Abell >> >> >> >> Okay, I found my former notes, Linda.I hate when I miss a bunch of posts >> for >> work travel, because it take me a while to get my brain in gear.John Abells >> have had me going round and round for years. >> I found this site that gives more info, but I can't verify >> it. >> >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ritchiegenealogy/ritchie/7 >> 869.htm<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ritchiegenealogy/ritchie/7869.htm> >> I suspected that this inventory was filed BY Edward USHER for estate of >> Thomas USHER.Brother or son Edward who was heir at law, or son-in-law?Need >> original to double check.Would Pete be able to find out the land in KENT Co >> or if this deed transcript actually says wife of JOHN ABELL? >> PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which Thomas >> Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who sold >> her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll. >> PATENTS: Kent Co., Md. Thomas Usher 1705: Usher's Lott, The Neglect.1735 >> (George Usher) Usher's >> >> Pt./Killinsworthmore. ****************************************************** >> ***********************John >> Abell d. 1746 m. 1st Mary Usher 2nd Francis_____ >> Abstract of Will of John Abell, dated: 15 Sep 1746 probated: 9 Nov 1746 St. >> Marys Co. >> It named wife, Frances as adm. "my wife's son, John Howell and my "dau-in >> law, Catherine Hutchings" (step-dau. ?) son, Enoch Abell given 33 acres of >> Southern days; son, Cuthbert also named. In a codocil, he named his >> brother, >> Samuel Abell. Witnessed by Nathan Hickman, John Walker, and John >> Swails.codicil: brother Samuel, witnessed by Robert Hutchings >> Skinner, Abst of Inv 1744-1748p74John Abell, Sr. 35.89 SM 68.158 >> Apr 8 1747Appraisers: >> John Read, Nathanial nickamnCreditors: John Abell, Gilbert IrelandNext of >> Kin: John Abell, Samuel AbellAdministratrix, Frances Abell >> So are we now thinking there really was a son in law FISHER and this is not >> Usher family? >> Edward Fisher[Usher] Accts, 368,75 5/13/1714 John Abell for his unnamed >> wife, a child's part Thomas Batson for his unnamed wife, a child's >> part payments to David Watson, John Abell, Henry Lowe, Thomas Price. Admin. >> William Thompson. >> Inv. of Edward Fisher[Usher] 33b.143 1/13/1712 kin: John Abell, Thomas >> Batson Thomas Batson 21.30 7/24/1735 Inv. 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PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 1734 Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which Thomas Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who sold her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll. (Note to me from Tom Jennings, 1/17/2004). Could this wording mean she was Jolhn Abell's wife at time of sale 1734? On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> wrote: > Back to this argument. Tom Jennings believes she was Mary Usher. I say > she > was Mary Fisher. > > My note to the list, 1/2004: > > There are those who claim that Mary Usher, daughter of Thomas Usher, was > the > wife of John Abell based on a land record which named Mary, wife of John > Abell, in 1715. This won't work as Mary was named as a minor in her > father's will in 1714. She was not old enough to have married John Abell > and have had 3 children by 1715. The wife of John Abell of SMC was ____ > FISHER, daughter of Edward Fisher. > > PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 1734 Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which Thomas > Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who sold > her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll. (Note to me from Tom Jennings, 1/17/2004). > > Pete only does St. Mary's County land records. > > Linda Reno > > -----Original Message----- > From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of K Mills > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 3:11 PM > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Fisher or Usher and John Abell > > > > Okay, I found my former notes, Linda.I hate when I miss a bunch of posts > for > work travel, because it take me a while to get my brain in gear.John Abells > have had me going round and round for years. > I found this site that gives more info, but I can't verify > it. > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ritchiegenealogy/ritchie/7 > 869.htm<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ritchiegenealogy/ritchie/7869.htm> > I suspected that this inventory was filed BY Edward USHER for estate of > Thomas USHER.Brother or son Edward who was heir at law, or son-in-law?Need > original to double check.Would Pete be able to find out the land in KENT Co > or if this deed transcript actually says wife of JOHN ABELL? > PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which Thomas > Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who sold > her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll. > PATENTS: Kent Co., Md. Thomas Usher 1705: Usher's Lott, The Neglect.1735 > (George Usher) Usher's > > Pt./Killinsworthmore. ****************************************************** > ***********************John > Abell d. 1746 m. 1st Mary Usher 2nd Francis_____ > Abstract of Will of John Abell, dated: 15 Sep 1746 probated: 9 Nov 1746 St. > Marys Co. > It named wife, Frances as adm. "my wife's son, John Howell and my "dau-in > law, Catherine Hutchings" (step-dau. ?) son, Enoch Abell given 33 acres of > Southern days; son, Cuthbert also named. In a codocil, he named his > brother, > Samuel Abell. Witnessed by Nathan Hickman, John Walker, and John > Swails.codicil: brother Samuel, witnessed by Robert Hutchings > Skinner, Abst of Inv 1744-1748p74John Abell, Sr. 35.89 SM 68.158 > Apr 8 1747Appraisers: > John Read, Nathanial nickamnCreditors: John Abell, Gilbert IrelandNext of > Kin: John Abell, Samuel AbellAdministratrix, Frances Abell > So are we now thinking there really was a son in law FISHER and this is not > Usher family? > Edward Fisher[Usher] Accts, 368,75 5/13/1714 John Abell for his unnamed > wife, a child's part Thomas Batson for his unnamed wife, a child's > part payments to David Watson, John Abell, Henry Lowe, Thomas Price. Admin. > William Thompson. > Inv. of Edward Fisher[Usher] 33b.143 1/13/1712 kin: John Abell, Thomas > Batson Thomas Batson 21.30 7/24/1735 Inv. Ref: FTM CD > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Linda I think he may have wed both. Tom On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> wrote: > Back to this argument. Tom Jennings believes she was Mary Usher. I say > she > was Mary Fisher. > > My note to the list, 1/2004: > > There are those who claim that Mary Usher, daughter of Thomas Usher, was > the > wife of John Abell based on a land record which named Mary, wife of John > Abell, in 1715. This won't work as Mary was named as a minor in her > father's will in 1714. She was not old enough to have married John Abell > and have had 3 children by 1715. The wife of John Abell of SMC was ____ > FISHER, daughter of Edward Fisher. > > PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 1734 Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which Thomas > Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who sold > her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll. (Note to me from Tom Jennings, 1/17/2004). > > Pete only does St. Mary's County land records. > > Linda Reno > > -----Original Message----- > From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of K Mills > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 3:11 PM > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Fisher or Usher and John Abell > > > > Okay, I found my former notes, Linda.I hate when I miss a bunch of posts > for > work travel, because it take me a while to get my brain in gear.John Abells > have had me going round and round for years. > I found this site that gives more info, but I can't verify > it. > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ritchiegenealogy/ritchie/7 > 869.htm<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ritchiegenealogy/ritchie/7869.htm> > I suspected that this inventory was filed BY Edward USHER for estate of > Thomas USHER.Brother or son Edward who was heir at law, or son-in-law?Need > original to double check.Would Pete be able to find out the land in KENT Co > or if this deed transcript actually says wife of JOHN ABELL? > PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which Thomas > Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who sold > her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll. > PATENTS: Kent Co., Md. Thomas Usher 1705: Usher's Lott, The Neglect.1735 > (George Usher) Usher's > > Pt./Killinsworthmore. ****************************************************** > ***********************John > Abell d. 1746 m. 1st Mary Usher 2nd Francis_____ > Abstract of Will of John Abell, dated: 15 Sep 1746 probated: 9 Nov 1746 St. > Marys Co. > It named wife, Frances as adm. "my wife's son, John Howell and my "dau-in > law, Catherine Hutchings" (step-dau. ?) son, Enoch Abell given 33 acres of > Southern days; son, Cuthbert also named. In a codocil, he named his > brother, > Samuel Abell. Witnessed by Nathan Hickman, John Walker, and John > Swails.codicil: brother Samuel, witnessed by Robert Hutchings > Skinner, Abst of Inv 1744-1748p74John Abell, Sr. 35.89 SM 68.158 > Apr 8 1747Appraisers: > John Read, Nathanial nickamnCreditors: John Abell, Gilbert IrelandNext of > Kin: John Abell, Samuel AbellAdministratrix, Frances Abell > So are we now thinking there really was a son in law FISHER and this is not > Usher family? > Edward Fisher[Usher] Accts, 368,75 5/13/1714 John Abell for his unnamed > wife, a child's part Thomas Batson for his unnamed wife, a child's > part payments to David Watson, John Abell, Henry Lowe, Thomas Price. Admin. > William Thompson. > Inv. of Edward Fisher[Usher] 33b.143 1/13/1712 kin: John Abell, Thomas > Batson Thomas Batson 21.30 7/24/1735 Inv. Ref: FTM CD > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Kat, I have this. PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 1734 Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which Thomas Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who sold her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll. Usher, Thos.Kent Co.,5th Nov., 1714; 17th Jan., 1714. 14. 39. To son Jno. and daus. Eliza:, Jean and Sarah, equally, and their hrs., land -- -, where John Pickett lives. To dau. Mary and son George and their hrs., 100 A., - - -, with plantation, etc., where Oliver Mitchell lived. To son (not christened) and hrs., 100 A., ––. To son Thomas at 21 yrs., personalty and grist mill at head of Prickell Pear Creek. To wife Eliza:, extx., ½ personalty, life interest in ½ grist mill afsd. and in plantation, which is also to pass to son Thos. afsd. at her decease. Child. to be cared for by wife during their minority. Test: Thos. Swynley, Joseph Langley, Den. Sullivane. Accts 37a f107 1715 Kent Co., Md. Elizabeth Usher, exec for Thomas Usher, late of Kent Co., Md. St. Pauls Parish Kent Co. Thomas Usher wed Sarah Hicks 1/15/1702 *He had a dau. Sarah Thomas Usher wed Elizabeth "Volentine 11/10/1703 (Valentine?/Valient?) Refs: Md. Gen. Soc. Bulletin Vol.15 #1 2/1874 ***************************** Tom On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:10 PM, K Mills <justwannabe_kat@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Okay, I found my former notes, Linda.I hate when I miss a bunch of posts > for work travel, because it take me a while to get my brain in gear.John > Abells have had me going round and round for years. > I found this site that gives more info, but I can't verify > it. > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ritchiegenealogy/ritchie/7869.htm > I suspected that this inventory was filed BY Edward USHER for estate of > Thomas USHER.Brother or son Edward who was heir at law, or son-in-law?Need > original to double check.Would Pete be able to find out the land in KENT Co > or if this deed transcript actually says wife of JOHN ABELL? > PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which Thomas > Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who sold > her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll. > PATENTS: Kent Co., Md. Thomas Usher 1705: Usher's Lott, The Neglect.1735 > (George Usher) Usher's > Pt./Killinsworthmore. *****************************************************************************John > Abell d. 1746 m. 1st Mary Usher 2nd Francis_____ > Abstract of Will of John Abell, dated: 15 Sep 1746 probated: 9 Nov 1746 > St. Marys Co. > It named wife, Frances as adm. "my wife's son, John Howell and my "dau-in > law, Catherine Hutchings" (step-dau. ?) son, Enoch Abell given 33 acres of > Southern days; son, Cuthbert also named. In a codocil, he named his > brother, Samuel Abell. Witnessed by Nathan Hickman, John Walker, and John > Swails.codicil: brother Samuel, witnessed by Robert Hutchings > Skinner, Abst of Inv 1744-1748p74John Abell, Sr. 35.89 SM 68.158 > Apr 8 1747Appraisers: > John Read, Nathanial nickamnCreditors: John Abell, Gilbert IrelandNext of > Kin: John Abell, Samuel AbellAdministratrix, Frances Abell > So are we now thinking there really was a son in law FISHER and this is > not Usher family? > Edward Fisher[Usher] Accts, 368,75 5/13/1714 John Abell for his unnamed > wife, a child's part Thomas Batson for his unnamed wife, a child's > part payments to David Watson, John Abell, Henry Lowe, Thomas Price. Admin. > William Thompson. > Inv. of Edward Fisher[Usher] 33b.143 1/13/1712 kin: John Abell, Thomas > Batson Thomas Batson 21.30 7/24/1735 Inv. Ref: FTM CD > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Back to this argument. Tom Jennings believes she was Mary Usher. I say she was Mary Fisher. My note to the list, 1/2004: There are those who claim that Mary Usher, daughter of Thomas Usher, was the wife of John Abell based on a land record which named Mary, wife of John Abell, in 1715. This won't work as Mary was named as a minor in her father's will in 1714. She was not old enough to have married John Abell and have had 3 children by 1715. The wife of John Abell of SMC was ____ FISHER, daughter of Edward Fisher. PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 1734 Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which Thomas Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who sold her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll. (Note to me from Tom Jennings, 1/17/2004). Pete only does St. Mary's County land records. Linda Reno -----Original Message----- From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of K Mills Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 3:11 PM To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Fisher or Usher and John Abell Okay, I found my former notes, Linda.I hate when I miss a bunch of posts for work travel, because it take me a while to get my brain in gear.John Abells have had me going round and round for years. I found this site that gives more info, but I can't verify it. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ritchiegenealogy/ritchie/7 869.htm I suspected that this inventory was filed BY Edward USHER for estate of Thomas USHER.Brother or son Edward who was heir at law, or son-in-law?Need original to double check.Would Pete be able to find out the land in KENT Co or if this deed transcript actually says wife of JOHN ABELL? PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which Thomas Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who sold her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll. PATENTS: Kent Co., Md. Thomas Usher 1705: Usher's Lott, The Neglect.1735 (George Usher) Usher's Pt./Killinsworthmore. ****************************************************** ***********************John Abell  d. 1746  m. 1st Mary Usher 2nd Francis_____ Abstract of Will of John Abell, dated: 15 Sep 1746 probated: 9 Nov 1746 St. Marys Co. It named wife, Frances as adm. "my wife's son, John Howell and my "dau-in law, Catherine Hutchings" (step-dau. ?) son, Enoch Abell given 33 acres of Southern days; son, Cuthbert also named. In a codocil, he named his brother, Samuel Abell. Witnessed by Nathan Hickman, John Walker, and John Swails.codicil:  brother Samuel, witnessed by Robert Hutchings Skinner, Abst of Inv 1744-1748p74John Abell, Sr. 35.89  SM   68.158 Apr 8 1747Appraisers: John Read, Nathanial nickamnCreditors: John Abell, Gilbert IrelandNext of Kin: John Abell, Samuel AbellAdministratrix, Frances Abell So are we now thinking there really was a son in law FISHER and this is not Usher family? Edward Fisher[Usher] Accts, 368,75 5/13/1714 John Abell for his unnamed wife, a child's part Thomas Batson for his unnamed wife, a child's part payments to David Watson, John Abell, Henry Lowe, Thomas Price. Admin. William Thompson.  Inv. of Edward Fisher[Usher] 33b.143 1/13/1712 kin: John Abell, Thomas Batson Thomas Batson 21.30 7/24/1735 Inv. Ref: FTM CD ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Linda After I saw your theory I went thru my land records for both Evans/Abell or Booth/Abell but found nothing. Somewhere I remember an Evans/Abell but think it was in early 1800. Tom On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> wrote: > Tom, > > I saw the message yesterday and now this one. I don't have an explanation. > The problem is we've never found a Judith Booth. If there's a connection > via the Evans family and/or the family of Eleanor, wife of David Evans, > Jr., > that would explain it. > > Linda Reno > > -----Original Message----- > From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Thomas Jennings > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 1:37 PM > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Fisher and Abell > > Linda, > > I sent a reply yesterday that is lost somewhere on one of those clouds. > > I read your Evans theory but don't find enough evidence to make changes or > to prove either of the two theories. > There is no evidence that Enoch Abell's wife was not a Booth unless Booth > was an earlier line. > How do we explain generations of John Booth Abells and Enoch Booth Abells. > There must be a reason. > > 1/21/1735: Admin. accts. of David Evans, SMC. > Distribution to: widow, 1/3. Residue to (5 children*): Hugh, John, > Susanna,Judith, and Grace Evans.* > > Judith did not name, as far as I know, any of her children: David Grace, > Hugh ..John & Susanna were the Abell line names. > > Is it possible Booth name came from somewhere in the Evans' line? > > Tom > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:15 PM, K Mills <justwannabe_kat@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > AH ha! > > Thank you, Thank you!I never saw that Admin acct before.Is it from > Skinner > > or St. Mary's Co Records? > > > > < , |/ > > < ' /| Kat Mills > > > > --- On Mon, 2/11/13, Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > From: Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> > > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Enoch ABELL and wife Judith > > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > > Date: Monday, February 11, 2013, 11:14 AM > > > > Hi Kat, > > > > This is why I think so: > > > > 1/13/1712: Admin. accts. of Edward Fisher, SMC. NOK: John Abell and > > Thomas Beatson (surname should be Batson). > > > > 5/13/1714: Admin. accts. of Edward Fisher, SMC. Payments to: John Abell > > for > > his wife (unnamed, a child's part); Thomas Batson for his wife (unnamed, > a > > child's part), Adm., Wm. Thompson (Skinner). The estate was paid by John > > Taylor. The estate made payments to (in addition to the children): > David > > Watson, Mr. Henry Lowe, and Thomas Price. > > > > Linda Reno > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] > > On Behalf Of K Mills > > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 11:14 AM > > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Enoch ABELL and wife Judith > > > > Lynda, > > I'm following this closely and on baited breath! > > Can you fill me in again on your thinking as to why you think John Abell, > > Sr. married ____ Fisher? > > I agree that the assumption that Judith was a "Booth" had no foundation > > I've > > been able to find, except for the middle name of a son... > > > > < , |/ > > < ' /| Kat Mills > > > > --- On Mon, 2/11/13, Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > From: Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> > > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Enoch ABELL and wife Judith > > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > > Date: Monday, February 11, 2013, 9:32 AM > > > > I'm not finished with this and I have to put it aside for the time being. > > > > These are my comments so far: > > > > **Cuthbert Abell was the son of John Abell, Sr. and _____Fisher. > > > > Richard OSBOURNE was married to Ann CLARKE Aunt of Robert Clarke Jr. and > > Half Sister of Robert Clarke Sr. who married Sarah COMBS. > > > > **NO, Robert Clarke, Jr. was the half uncle of Ann Clarke. She was the > > daughter of John Clarke (son of Robert Clarke, Jr. and his first wife, > > Eleanor). Anne's father, John Clarke was a half brother of Robert > Clarke, > > Jr. who married Sarah Combs. > > > > Robt. Clark, Jr. (was a brother to Thomas CLARKE who married Grace > > GREENWELL). > > > > **Yes, they were by the second marriage of Robert Clarke, Sr. to Winifred > > Seyborn. > > > > Robert HUTCHINGS and Frances WILKINSON had a Daughter Catherine HUTCHINGS > > who married Clarke ABELL son of Cuthbert Abell and Mary CLARKE. > > > > **Disagree. The wife of Clarke Abell (b. 1754) was Catherine Hutchins > (b. > > 1752), daughter of Aquilla Hutchins and wife, Elizabeth _____. > > > > I believe Eleanor ? wife Thomas FISH or FISHER was Eleanor CLARKE > daughter > > of Thomas CLARKE and Grace GREENWELL therefore Mary CLARKE who married > > Cuthbert ABELL would her Sister > > > > **Disagree. There is nothing to indicate that Eleanor, daughter of > Thomas > > Clarke and Grace Greenwell was married by the time of her father's death. > > Eleanor ____, married first, David Evans, Jr. before 1721 and second, > > Thomas > > Fish (not Fisher). She might be Eleanor Gibbons?? > > > > 1/21/1735: Admin. accts. of David Evans, SMC. Sureties: Henry Tucker, > > John > > Gibbons. Received from: Joseph Stone, James Watts, John Patchall. > Payments > > to: Capt. John Hicks, Philip Clarke, John Thompson, George Plater, Esq. > > Distribution to: widow, 1/3. Residue to (5 children): Hugh, John, > Susanna, > > Judith, and Grace Evans. Admx: Eleanor Fish, wife of Thomas Fish. > > > > Acquilla Hutchings was married to an Elizabeth ? could he have married > > Elizabeth CLARKE daughter of Abraham CLARKE and 1st wife ELEANOR HEARD? > > > > **I doubt it. The dates don't work. Aquilla Hutchins married Elizabeth > > ___before 1735. > > > > Enoch ABELL married JUDITH BOOTH and he was a brother of Cuthbert ABELL > who > > married Mary CLARKE. Another Brother of Cuthbert ABELL was Edward ABELL > who > > married a ? HORNE daughter of John HORNE. another Daughter of John HORNE > > was > > Susanna HORNE who married Thomas CLARKE son of Thomas CLARKE and GRACE > > GREENWELL. Thomas Clarke who married Susanna HORNE was the brother of > Mary > > CLARKE who married Cuthbert ABELL. > > > > **Disagree. I think Enoch Abell (1714-1784), brother of Cuthbert, > married > > Judith Evans, daughter of David Evans, Jr. and wife, Eleanor Gibbons (?) > > discussed above. > > > > From: Linda Reno > > To: Pete Himmelheber > > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 11:27 AM > > Subject: Wife of Enoch Abell > > > > Everybody seems to think that Enoch Abell was married to Judith Booth. > > That > > assumption is undoubtedly made because she named a son John Booth Abell. > > Problem is that I can find no documentation that she was a Booth nor was > > there a John Booth around at the right time. > > > > I did some seeking around in my database last night and this morning and > am > > really leaning toward her being ***Judith Evans, daughter of David Evans, > > Jr. and his wife, Eleanor (and I think she might be ***Eleanor Gibbons, > > dau. > > of John Gibbons and wife, Martha). **(There's a problem with this though > > as > > I show Eleanor Gibbons married to Thomas Dement. See below). > > > > Eleanor (Gibbons?), widow of David Evans, Jr., m. second Thomas Fish. > > > > Did Enoch Abell, David Evans, Jr. and Thomas Fish live in the same area? > > This would be the 1720's through the 1760's. Got any magic in those > files? > > > > Linda > > > > From: P&L Himmelheber > > To: Linda Reno > > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 2:49 PM > > Subject: Re: Wife of Enoch Abell > > > > Well Close. That is the land that Evans and Fish were associated with. > Just > > down the 3NR from Abells Content and Slipe of Enoch Abell and Abells > Chance > > of Cuthbert Abell. See Chronology and Map. > > > > There were many references to the new house of Booth Abell which was in > > Abells Chance between the 3NR and cutoff. > > > > Pete & Lillie Himmelheber > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] > > On Behalf Of clark8178@comcast.net > > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:01 AM > > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Enoch ABELL and wife Judith > > > > Linda Reno, > > > > this came from you some time ago. I agree with it. it fits the pattern of > > what we are discussing. I agree Enoch Abell married Judith Evans not > Judith > > BOOTH. > > > > > > While we're on the subject.... > > > > Does anyone have any proof that Judith, wife of Enoch Abell was actually > > Judith Booth? I believe she is presumed to be because one of her sons was > > named John Booth Abell. > > > > I think she was actually Judith Evans, daughter of David Evans, Jr. and > his > > wife, Eleanor (who m. second, Thomas Fish). Eleanor was somehow related > to > > the family of John Gibbons and his wife, Martha. > > > > 1/21/1735: Admin. accts. of David Evans, SMC. Sureties: Henry Tucker, > John > > Gibbons. Received from: Joseph Stone, James Watts, John Patchall. > Payments > > to: Capt. John Hicks, Philip Clarke, John Thompson, George Plater, Esq. > > Distribution to: widow, 1/3. Residue to (5 children): Hugh, John, > Susanna, > > Judith, and Grace Evans. Admx: Eleanor Fish, wife of Thomas Fish. > > > > Admin. accts. of Thomas Fish, 5/31/1753 by Eleanor Fish, Admx.; sureties > > were Cuthbert Abell and Nathaniel Hickman; 1/3 to widow; Children: Thomas > > Fish, of full age; Robert Fish, about 15; William, 15; James, about 12; > and > > Joseph, age 9 (Moxey). > > > > David Evans, Jr. was the son of David Evans, Sr. who outlived his son. > > > > Will of David Evans, SMC, 7/16/1734-3/31/1735. Grandchildren: Isabella > > Hebb, > > David Hebb, and Joseph Hebb, personalty. Daughter: Susanna, wife of Henry > > Tucker, water mill; dwelling plantation to Susanna and the heirs of her > > body > > and of her husband, Henry Tucker, her eldest son Benjamin Tucker > excepted. > > Residue of estate to be divided between grandchildren, the children of > > Henry > > and Susanna Tucker and of David Evans and his wife, Eleanor. Exec: Henry > > Tucker, carpenter. Wit: John Heages, John Rigby, John Patshall. > > > > Last year, when I first started thinking about this, I wrote to Pete > > Himmelheber and asked him if these families lived anywhere near each > other. > > I asked him if Enoch Abell, David Evans, Jr. and Thomas Fish lived in the > > same area in the 1720's through the 1760's. > > > > From: P&L Himmelheber > > To: Linda Reno > > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 2:49 PM > > Subject: Re: Wife of Enoch Abell > > > > "Well Close." That is the land that Evans and Fish were associated with. > > Just down the 3NR (Three Notch Road) from Abells Content and Slipe of > Enoch > > Abell and Abells Chance of Cuthbert Abell. See Chronology and Map. > > > > There were many references to the new house of Booth Abell which was in > > Abells Chance between the 3NR and cutoff. > > > > Pete & Lillie Himmelheber > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Linda Reno > > > > Mary CLARKE who married Cuthbert ABELL had a brother Phillip CLARKE. > > > > **I have no record of Philip Clarke, brother of Mary, after 1733. The > > Philip Clarke listed above could be Philip, Jr., son of Philip and Hannah > > Mackall who married Catherine Wilson (she ties back into the Wilkinsons) > or > > Philip III, son of Philip, Jr. > > > > **The wife of Nathaniel Hickman was Mary Gibbons, sister of Eleanor > Gibbons > > discussed above. Notice that Eleanor is called Eleanor Dement in the > > administrative accounts of her brother Major Gibbons in 1765 and Thomas > > Dement was the administrator. > > > > 8/2/1746: Admin. accts. of Martha Gibbons, SMC. Sureties: John Wiseman, > > John Woodward. Payments to (among others): Major Gibbons (son of John > > Gibbons, due from Henry Tucker). Legal representatives: John Gibbons, > > Stephen Gibbons, Henry Gibbons, Mager Gibbons, Nathaniel Hickman, William > > Daves, Eleanor Gibbons, Priscilla Gibbons. Adm: John Gibbons. > > > > 3/5/1765: Admin. accts. of Major Gibbons, SMC. Appraisers: George > > Aisquith, > > Joseph Hopewell. Creditors: John Gibbins, Eleanor Dement. Adm: Thomas > > Dement. > > > > Linda Reno > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: FFarley44 Surnames: KNOTT Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.stmarys/512.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Knott Folks.....Do you have your immigrant Knott to St Mary's c1650? Francis Knott & sister Ann Knott came to St Mary's with their mother Rebecca & stepfather Robert Cole. I am descended through Ann Knott. Her father was Francis Knott Sr (who died England). Widow Rebecca Knott married Robert Cole before coming to Maryland. Robert was a freeholder at St Clements & Catholic. Have much info on the family. Frances Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Tom, The archives indicate that these Land Record microfilms/or libers may have been scanned.Does this mean they may be online? Series InformationLAND OFFICE(Patent Record)1732-1734SM2 Date:1732-1734Book Name:EI 1Film Reels:SR 7473 (Scanned)Description: MSA Citation:MSA SM2-59 Series InformationLAND OFFICE(Patent Record)1734-1739SM2 Date:1734-1739Book Name:EI 2Film Reels:SR 7474 (Scanned)Description: MSA Citation:MSA SM2-60Series InformationLAND OFFICE(Patent Record)1730-1737SM2 Date:1730-1737Book Name:EI 3Film Reels:SR 7475 (Scanned)Description: MSA Citation:MSA SM2-61 < , |/ < ' /|   Kat Mills   --- On Wed, 2/13/13, Thomas Jennings <consettct@gmail.com> wrote: From: Thomas Jennings <consettct@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Fisher or Usher and John Abell To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 3:19 PM Kat *Related Series*    - MARYLAND INDEXES (Patents, Index) S1426 1634-1985<http://guide.mdsa.net/series.cfm?action=viewSeries&ID=S1426>    - MARYLAND INDEXES (Patents, WA, Tract Index) S1427 1731-1961<http://guide.mdsa.net/series.cfm?action=viewSeries&ID=S1427>    - MARYLAND INDEXES (Patents, Manor Index) S1436 1634-1804<http://guide.mdsa.net/series.cfm?action=viewSeries&ID=S1436>    - LAND OFFICE (Patent Record, Original) S920 1657-1815<http://guide.mdsa.net/series.cfm?action=viewSeries&ID=S920>    - LAND OFFICE (Patent Record) SM2 1637-1975<http://guide.mdsa.net/series.cfm?action=viewSeries&ID=SM2> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:55 PM, K Mills <justwannabe_kat@yahoo.com> wrote: > Okay, UGGG. > So if the USHER deed actually says Mary wife of John Abell...we may be > looking at typos or three marriages. > I know everyone discounts this, citing how well versed the clerks were but > I have found a number of transcript discrepancies when you compare the > Archives wills with same existing ones from St. Mary's of the same period. > My assumption is that most of the mistakes were likely NOT the St. Mary's > ones because they would have had more intimate knowledge of the families > involved? > This will be my ultimate goal at Maryland Archives this year- to SEE that > USHER deed. > Do I have the right John Abell with will 1746 and Frances____ as exec?Any > takers for who this Frances was?I think that was still back and forth, > right? > < , |/ > < ' /|     Kat Mills > > --- On Wed, 2/13/13, John Dobricky <john.dobricky@gmail.com> wrote: > > From: John Dobricky <john.dobricky@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Fisher or Usher and John Abell > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 2:42 PM > > OK.....I'm sure you all have already investigated this but......... > > 1) Could there have been two contemporaneous men named "John Abell" > living in Maryland with a wife named "Mary"?  This happens all the > time.  We have no proof that the John and Mary (Usher?) Abell were the > same people as the John and Mary (Fisher?) Abell.  Kent County, MD, > and SMC are a long way apart. > > 2) To the best of my knowledge, there are no "Thomas Abell"s in the > next couple of generations of descendants of the "John Abell" who was > married to Mary (Fisher?Usher?) and who lived in SMC.  This would have > been unusual.  The John Abell in SMC did have a son named "Edward," > however--probably named for Edward Fisher. > > 3) Of course, there is also the intriguing similarity between the > surnames "Fisher" and "Usher"--they would be easy to confuse when > reading records written in early 18th century handwriting. > > Just a few thoughts.  Feedback welcome.  John Dobricky > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Thomas Jennings <consettct@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Linda > > > > I think he may have wed both. > > > > Tom > > > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> > wrote: > > > >> Back to this argument.  Tom Jennings believes she was Mary Usher.  I say > >> she > >> was Mary Fisher. > >> > >> My note to the list, 1/2004: > >> > >> There are those who claim that Mary Usher, daughter of Thomas Usher, was > >> the > >> wife of John Abell based on a land record which named Mary, wife of John > >> Abell, in 1715.  This won't work as Mary was named as a minor in her > >> father's will in 1714.  She was not old enough to have married John > Abell > >> and have had 3 children by 1715.  The wife of John Abell of SMC was ____ > >> FISHER, daughter of Edward Fisher. > >> > >> PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 1734  Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which > Thomas > >> Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who > sold > >> her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll.  (Note to me from Tom Jennings, > 1/17/2004). > >> > >> Pete only does St. Mary's County land records. > >> > >> Linda Reno > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] > >> On Behalf Of K Mills > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 3:11 PM > >> To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Fisher or Usher and John Abell > >> > >> > >> > >> Okay, I found my former notes, Linda.I hate when I miss a bunch of posts > >> for > >> work travel, because it take me a while to get my brain in gear.John > Abells > >> have had me going round and round for years. > >> I found this site that gives more info, but I can't verify > >>  it. > >> > >> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ritchiegenealogy/ritchie/7 > >> 869.htm< > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ritchiegenealogy/ritchie/7869.htm > > > >> I suspected that this inventory was filed BY Edward USHER for estate of > >> Thomas USHER.Brother or son Edward who was heir at law, or > son-in-law?Need > >> original to double check.Would Pete be able to find out the land in > KENT Co > >> or if this deed transcript actually says wife of JOHN ABELL? > >> PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which Thomas > >> Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who > sold > >> her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll. > >> PATENTS: Kent Co., Md. Thomas Usher 1705: Usher's Lott, The Neglect.1735 > >> (George Usher) Usher's > >> > >> Pt./Killinsworthmore. > ****************************************************** > >> ***********************John > >>  Abell  d. 1746  m. 1st Mary Usher 2nd Francis_____ > >> Abstract of Will of John Abell, dated: 15 Sep 1746 probated: 9 Nov 1746 > St. > >> Marys Co. > >> It named wife, Frances as adm. "my wife's son, John Howell and my > "dau-in > >> law, Catherine Hutchings" (step-dau. ?) son, Enoch Abell given 33 acres > of > >> Southern days; son, Cuthbert also named. In a codocil, he named his > >> brother, > >> Samuel Abell. Witnessed by Nathan Hickman, John Walker, and John > >> Swails.codicil:  brother Samuel, witnessed by Robert Hutchings > >> Skinner, Abst of Inv 1744-1748p74John Abell, Sr.        35.89 > SM   68.158 > >> Apr 8 1747Appraisers: > >>  John Read, Nathanial nickamnCreditors: John Abell, Gilbert IrelandNext > of > >> Kin: John Abell, Samuel AbellAdministratrix, Frances Abell > >> So are we now thinking there really was a son in law FISHER and this is > not > >> Usher family? > >> Edward Fisher[Usher] Accts, 368,75 5/13/1714 John Abell for his unnamed > >> wife, a child's part Thomas Batson for his unnamed wife, a child's > >> part payments to David Watson, John Abell, Henry Lowe, Thomas Price. > Admin. > >> William Thompson. > >>  Inv. of Edward Fisher[Usher] 33b.143 1/13/1712 kin: John Abell, Thomas > >> Batson Thomas Batson 21.30 7/24/1735 Inv. 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Tom, I saw the message yesterday and now this one. I don't have an explanation. The problem is we've never found a Judith Booth. If there's a connection via the Evans family and/or the family of Eleanor, wife of David Evans, Jr., that would explain it. Linda Reno -----Original Message----- From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Jennings Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 1:37 PM To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Fisher and Abell Linda, I sent a reply yesterday that is lost somewhere on one of those clouds. I read your Evans theory but don't find enough evidence to make changes or to prove either of the two theories. There is no evidence that Enoch Abell's wife was not a Booth unless Booth was an earlier line. How do we explain generations of John Booth Abells and Enoch Booth Abells. There must be a reason. 1/21/1735: Admin. accts. of David Evans, SMC. Distribution to: widow, 1/3. Residue to (5 children*): Hugh, John, Susanna,Judith, and Grace Evans.* Judith did not name, as far as I know, any of her children: David Grace, Hugh ..John & Susanna were the Abell line names. Is it possible Booth name came from somewhere in the Evans' line? Tom On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:15 PM, K Mills <justwannabe_kat@yahoo.com> wrote: > AH ha! > Thank you, Thank you!I never saw that Admin acct before.Is it from Skinner > or St. Mary's Co Records? > > < , |/ > < ' /| Kat Mills > > --- On Mon, 2/11/13, Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> wrote: > > From: Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Enoch ABELL and wife Judith > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, February 11, 2013, 11:14 AM > > Hi Kat, > > This is why I think so: > > 1/13/1712: Admin. accts. of Edward Fisher, SMC. NOK: John Abell and > Thomas Beatson (surname should be Batson). > > 5/13/1714: Admin. accts. of Edward Fisher, SMC. Payments to: John Abell > for > his wife (unnamed, a child's part); Thomas Batson for his wife (unnamed, a > child's part), Adm., Wm. Thompson (Skinner). The estate was paid by John > Taylor. The estate made payments to (in addition to the children): David > Watson, Mr. Henry Lowe, and Thomas Price. > > Linda Reno > > -----Original Message----- > From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of K Mills > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 11:14 AM > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Enoch ABELL and wife Judith > > Lynda, > I'm following this closely and on baited breath! > Can you fill me in again on your thinking as to why you think John Abell, > Sr. married ____ Fisher? > I agree that the assumption that Judith was a "Booth" had no foundation > I've > been able to find, except for the middle name of a son... > > < , |/ > < ' /| Kat Mills > > --- On Mon, 2/11/13, Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> wrote: > > From: Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Enoch ABELL and wife Judith > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, February 11, 2013, 9:32 AM > > I'm not finished with this and I have to put it aside for the time being. > > These are my comments so far: > > **Cuthbert Abell was the son of John Abell, Sr. and _____Fisher. > > Richard OSBOURNE was married to Ann CLARKE Aunt of Robert Clarke Jr. and > Half Sister of Robert Clarke Sr. who married Sarah COMBS. > > **NO, Robert Clarke, Jr. was the half uncle of Ann Clarke. She was the > daughter of John Clarke (son of Robert Clarke, Jr. and his first wife, > Eleanor). Anne's father, John Clarke was a half brother of Robert Clarke, > Jr. who married Sarah Combs. > > Robt. Clark, Jr. (was a brother to Thomas CLARKE who married Grace > GREENWELL). > > **Yes, they were by the second marriage of Robert Clarke, Sr. to Winifred > Seyborn. > > Robert HUTCHINGS and Frances WILKINSON had a Daughter Catherine HUTCHINGS > who married Clarke ABELL son of Cuthbert Abell and Mary CLARKE. > > **Disagree. The wife of Clarke Abell (b. 1754) was Catherine Hutchins (b. > 1752), daughter of Aquilla Hutchins and wife, Elizabeth _____. > > I believe Eleanor ? wife Thomas FISH or FISHER was Eleanor CLARKE daughter > of Thomas CLARKE and Grace GREENWELL therefore Mary CLARKE who married > Cuthbert ABELL would her Sister > > **Disagree. There is nothing to indicate that Eleanor, daughter of Thomas > Clarke and Grace Greenwell was married by the time of her father's death. > Eleanor ____, married first, David Evans, Jr. before 1721 and second, > Thomas > Fish (not Fisher). She might be Eleanor Gibbons?? > > 1/21/1735: Admin. accts. of David Evans, SMC. Sureties: Henry Tucker, > John > Gibbons. Received from: Joseph Stone, James Watts, John Patchall. Payments > to: Capt. John Hicks, Philip Clarke, John Thompson, George Plater, Esq. > Distribution to: widow, 1/3. Residue to (5 children): Hugh, John, Susanna, > Judith, and Grace Evans. Admx: Eleanor Fish, wife of Thomas Fish. > > Acquilla Hutchings was married to an Elizabeth ? could he have married > Elizabeth CLARKE daughter of Abraham CLARKE and 1st wife ELEANOR HEARD? > > **I doubt it. The dates don't work. Aquilla Hutchins married Elizabeth > ___before 1735. > > Enoch ABELL married JUDITH BOOTH and he was a brother of Cuthbert ABELL who > married Mary CLARKE. Another Brother of Cuthbert ABELL was Edward ABELL who > married a ? HORNE daughter of John HORNE. another Daughter of John HORNE > was > Susanna HORNE who married Thomas CLARKE son of Thomas CLARKE and GRACE > GREENWELL. Thomas Clarke who married Susanna HORNE was the brother of Mary > CLARKE who married Cuthbert ABELL. > > **Disagree. I think Enoch Abell (1714-1784), brother of Cuthbert, married > Judith Evans, daughter of David Evans, Jr. and wife, Eleanor Gibbons (?) > discussed above. > > From: Linda Reno > To: Pete Himmelheber > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 11:27 AM > Subject: Wife of Enoch Abell > > Everybody seems to think that Enoch Abell was married to Judith Booth. > That > assumption is undoubtedly made because she named a son John Booth Abell. > Problem is that I can find no documentation that she was a Booth nor was > there a John Booth around at the right time. > > I did some seeking around in my database last night and this morning and am > really leaning toward her being ***Judith Evans, daughter of David Evans, > Jr. and his wife, Eleanor (and I think she might be ***Eleanor Gibbons, > dau. > of John Gibbons and wife, Martha). **(There's a problem with this though > as > I show Eleanor Gibbons married to Thomas Dement. See below). > > Eleanor (Gibbons?), widow of David Evans, Jr., m. second Thomas Fish. > > Did Enoch Abell, David Evans, Jr. and Thomas Fish live in the same area? > This would be the 1720's through the 1760's. Got any magic in those files? > > Linda > > From: P&L Himmelheber > To: Linda Reno > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 2:49 PM > Subject: Re: Wife of Enoch Abell > > Well Close. That is the land that Evans and Fish were associated with. Just > down the 3NR from Abells Content and Slipe of Enoch Abell and Abells Chance > of Cuthbert Abell. See Chronology and Map. > > There were many references to the new house of Booth Abell which was in > Abells Chance between the 3NR and cutoff. > > Pete & Lillie Himmelheber > > -----Original Message----- > From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of clark8178@comcast.net > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:01 AM > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Enoch ABELL and wife Judith > > Linda Reno, > > this came from you some time ago. I agree with it. it fits the pattern of > what we are discussing. I agree Enoch Abell married Judith Evans not Judith > BOOTH. > > > While we're on the subject.... > > Does anyone have any proof that Judith, wife of Enoch Abell was actually > Judith Booth? I believe she is presumed to be because one of her sons was > named John Booth Abell. > > I think she was actually Judith Evans, daughter of David Evans, Jr. and his > wife, Eleanor (who m. second, Thomas Fish). Eleanor was somehow related to > the family of John Gibbons and his wife, Martha. > > 1/21/1735: Admin. accts. of David Evans, SMC. Sureties: Henry Tucker, John > Gibbons. Received from: Joseph Stone, James Watts, John Patchall. Payments > to: Capt. John Hicks, Philip Clarke, John Thompson, George Plater, Esq. > Distribution to: widow, 1/3. Residue to (5 children): Hugh, John, Susanna, > Judith, and Grace Evans. Admx: Eleanor Fish, wife of Thomas Fish. > > Admin. accts. of Thomas Fish, 5/31/1753 by Eleanor Fish, Admx.; sureties > were Cuthbert Abell and Nathaniel Hickman; 1/3 to widow; Children: Thomas > Fish, of full age; Robert Fish, about 15; William, 15; James, about 12; and > Joseph, age 9 (Moxey). > > David Evans, Jr. was the son of David Evans, Sr. who outlived his son. > > Will of David Evans, SMC, 7/16/1734-3/31/1735. Grandchildren: Isabella > Hebb, > David Hebb, and Joseph Hebb, personalty. Daughter: Susanna, wife of Henry > Tucker, water mill; dwelling plantation to Susanna and the heirs of her > body > and of her husband, Henry Tucker, her eldest son Benjamin Tucker excepted. > Residue of estate to be divided between grandchildren, the children of > Henry > and Susanna Tucker and of David Evans and his wife, Eleanor. Exec: Henry > Tucker, carpenter. Wit: John Heages, John Rigby, John Patshall. > > Last year, when I first started thinking about this, I wrote to Pete > Himmelheber and asked him if these families lived anywhere near each other. > I asked him if Enoch Abell, David Evans, Jr. and Thomas Fish lived in the > same area in the 1720's through the 1760's. > > From: P&L Himmelheber > To: Linda Reno > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 2:49 PM > Subject: Re: Wife of Enoch Abell > > "Well Close." That is the land that Evans and Fish were associated with. > Just down the 3NR (Three Notch Road) from Abells Content and Slipe of Enoch > Abell and Abells Chance of Cuthbert Abell. See Chronology and Map. > > There were many references to the new house of Booth Abell which was in > Abells Chance between the 3NR and cutoff. > > Pete & Lillie Himmelheber > > Thoughts? > > Linda Reno > > Mary CLARKE who married Cuthbert ABELL had a brother Phillip CLARKE. > > **I have no record of Philip Clarke, brother of Mary, after 1733. The > Philip Clarke listed above could be Philip, Jr., son of Philip and Hannah > Mackall who married Catherine Wilson (she ties back into the Wilkinsons) or > Philip III, son of Philip, Jr. > > **The wife of Nathaniel Hickman was Mary Gibbons, sister of Eleanor Gibbons > discussed above. Notice that Eleanor is called Eleanor Dement in the > administrative accounts of her brother Major Gibbons in 1765 and Thomas > Dement was the administrator. > > 8/2/1746: Admin. accts. of Martha Gibbons, SMC. Sureties: John Wiseman, > John Woodward. Payments to (among others): Major Gibbons (son of John > Gibbons, due from Henry Tucker). Legal representatives: John Gibbons, > Stephen Gibbons, Henry Gibbons, Mager Gibbons, Nathaniel Hickman, William > Daves, Eleanor Gibbons, Priscilla Gibbons. Adm: John Gibbons. > > 3/5/1765: Admin. accts. of Major Gibbons, SMC. Appraisers: George > Aisquith, > Joseph Hopewell. Creditors: John Gibbins, Eleanor Dement. Adm: Thomas > Dement. > > Linda Reno > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kat, It's from Skinner. Linda -----Original Message----- From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of K Mills Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 1:16 PM To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Fisher and Abell AH ha! Thank you, Thank you!I never saw that Admin acct before.Is it from Skinner or St. Mary's Co Records? < , |/ < ' /|   Kat Mills   --- On Mon, 2/11/13, Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> wrote: From: Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Enoch ABELL and wife Judith To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, February 11, 2013, 11:14 AM Hi Kat, This is why I think so: 1/13/1712:  Admin. accts. of Edward Fisher, SMC.  NOK:  John Abell and Thomas Beatson (surname should be Batson). 5/13/1714:  Admin. accts. of Edward Fisher, SMC. Payments to: John Abell for his wife (unnamed, a child's part); Thomas Batson for his wife (unnamed, a child's part), Adm., Wm. Thompson (Skinner).  The estate was paid by John Taylor.  The estate made payments to (in addition to the children):  David Watson, Mr. Henry Lowe, and Thomas Price. Linda Reno -----Original Message----- From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of K Mills Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 11:14 AM To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Enoch ABELL and wife Judith Lynda, I'm following this closely and on baited breath! Can you fill me in again on your thinking as to why you think John Abell, Sr. married ____ Fisher? I agree that the assumption that Judith was a "Booth" had no foundation I've been able to find, except for the middle name of a son... < , |/ < ' /|     Kat Mills    --- On Mon, 2/11/13, Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> wrote: From: Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Enoch ABELL and wife Judith To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, February 11, 2013, 9:32 AM I'm not finished with this and I have to put it aside for the time being.  These are my comments so far: **Cuthbert Abell was the son of John Abell, Sr. and _____Fisher. Richard OSBOURNE was married to Ann CLARKE Aunt of Robert Clarke Jr. and Half Sister of Robert Clarke Sr. who married Sarah COMBS.  **NO, Robert Clarke, Jr. was the half uncle of Ann Clarke. She was the daughter of John Clarke (son of Robert Clarke, Jr. and his first wife, Eleanor).  Anne's father, John Clarke was a half brother of Robert Clarke, Jr. who married Sarah Combs. Robt. Clark, Jr. (was a brother to Thomas CLARKE who married Grace GREENWELL). **Yes, they were by the second marriage of Robert Clarke, Sr. to Winifred Seyborn. Robert HUTCHINGS and Frances WILKINSON had a Daughter Catherine HUTCHINGS who married Clarke ABELL son of Cuthbert Abell and Mary CLARKE. **Disagree.  The wife of Clarke Abell (b. 1754) was Catherine Hutchins (b. 1752), daughter of Aquilla Hutchins and wife, Elizabeth _____. I believe Eleanor ? wife Thomas FISH or FISHER was Eleanor CLARKE daughter of Thomas CLARKE and Grace GREENWELL therefore Mary CLARKE who married Cuthbert ABELL would her Sister **Disagree.  There is nothing to indicate that Eleanor, daughter of Thomas Clarke and Grace Greenwell was married by the time of her father's death. Eleanor ____, married first, David Evans, Jr. before 1721 and second, Thomas Fish (not Fisher).  She might be Eleanor Gibbons?? 1/21/1735:  Admin. accts. of David Evans, SMC.  Sureties: Henry Tucker, John Gibbons.  Received from: Joseph Stone, James Watts, John Patchall. Payments to: Capt. John Hicks, Philip Clarke, John Thompson, George Plater, Esq. Distribution to: widow, 1/3.  Residue to (5 children): Hugh, John, Susanna, Judith, and Grace Evans.  Admx: Eleanor Fish, wife of Thomas Fish. Acquilla Hutchings was married to an Elizabeth ? could he have married Elizabeth CLARKE daughter of Abraham CLARKE and 1st wife ELEANOR HEARD? **I doubt it. The dates don't work. Aquilla Hutchins married Elizabeth ___before 1735. Enoch ABELL married JUDITH BOOTH and he was a brother of Cuthbert ABELL who married Mary CLARKE. Another Brother of Cuthbert ABELL was Edward ABELL who married a ? HORNE daughter of John HORNE. another Daughter of John HORNE was Susanna HORNE who married Thomas CLARKE son of Thomas CLARKE and GRACE GREENWELL. Thomas Clarke who married Susanna HORNE was the brother of Mary CLARKE who married Cuthbert ABELL. **Disagree.  I think Enoch Abell (1714-1784), brother of Cuthbert, married Judith Evans, daughter of David Evans, Jr. and wife, Eleanor Gibbons (?) discussed above. From: Linda Reno To: Pete Himmelheber Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 11:27 AM Subject: Wife of Enoch Abell Everybody seems to think that Enoch Abell was married to Judith Booth.  That assumption is undoubtedly made because she named a son John Booth Abell. Problem is that I can find no documentation that she was a Booth nor was there a John Booth around at the right time. I did some seeking around in my database last night and this morning and am really leaning toward her being ***Judith Evans, daughter of David Evans, Jr. and his wife, Eleanor (and I think she might be ***Eleanor Gibbons, dau. of John Gibbons and wife, Martha).  **(There's a problem with this though as I show Eleanor Gibbons married to Thomas Dement.  See below). Eleanor (Gibbons?), widow of David Evans, Jr., m. second Thomas Fish. Did Enoch Abell, David Evans, Jr. and Thomas Fish live in the same area? This would be the 1720's through the 1760's.  Got any magic in those files? Linda From: P&L Himmelheber To: Linda Reno Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 2:49 PM Subject: Re: Wife of Enoch Abell Well Close. That is the land that Evans and Fish were associated with. Just down the 3NR from Abells Content and Slipe of Enoch Abell and Abells Chance of Cuthbert Abell. See Chronology and Map. There were many references to the new house of Booth Abell which was in Abells Chance between the 3NR and cutoff. Pete & Lillie Himmelheber -----Original Message----- From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of clark8178@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:01 AM To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Enoch ABELL and wife Judith Linda Reno, this came from you some time ago. I agree with it. it fits the pattern of what we are discussing. I agree Enoch Abell married Judith Evans not Judith BOOTH. While we're on the subject.... Does anyone have any proof that Judith, wife of Enoch Abell was actually Judith Booth? I believe she is presumed to be because one of her sons was named John Booth Abell. I think she was actually Judith Evans, daughter of David Evans, Jr. and his wife, Eleanor (who m. second, Thomas Fish). Eleanor was somehow related to the family of John Gibbons and his wife, Martha. 1/21/1735: Admin. accts. of David Evans, SMC. Sureties: Henry Tucker, John Gibbons. Received from: Joseph Stone, James Watts, John Patchall. Payments to: Capt. John Hicks, Philip Clarke, John Thompson, George Plater, Esq. Distribution to: widow, 1/3. Residue to (5 children): Hugh, John, Susanna, Judith, and Grace Evans. Admx: Eleanor Fish, wife of Thomas Fish. Admin. accts. of Thomas Fish, 5/31/1753 by Eleanor Fish, Admx.; sureties were Cuthbert Abell and Nathaniel Hickman; 1/3 to widow; Children: Thomas Fish, of full age; Robert Fish, about 15; William, 15; James, about 12; and Joseph, age 9 (Moxey). David Evans, Jr. was the son of David Evans, Sr. who outlived his son. Will of David Evans, SMC, 7/16/1734-3/31/1735. Grandchildren: Isabella Hebb, David Hebb, and Joseph Hebb, personalty. Daughter: Susanna, wife of Henry Tucker, water mill; dwelling plantation to Susanna and the heirs of her body and of her husband, Henry Tucker, her eldest son Benjamin Tucker excepted. Residue of estate to be divided between grandchildren, the children of Henry and Susanna Tucker and of David Evans and his wife, Eleanor. Exec: Henry Tucker, carpenter. Wit: John Heages, John Rigby, John Patshall. Last year, when I first started thinking about this, I wrote to Pete Himmelheber and asked him if these families lived anywhere near each other. I asked him if Enoch Abell, David Evans, Jr. and Thomas Fish lived in the same area in the 1720's through the 1760's. From: P&L Himmelheber To: Linda Reno Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 2:49 PM Subject: Re: Wife of Enoch Abell "Well Close." That is the land that Evans and Fish were associated with. Just down the 3NR (Three Notch Road) from Abells Content and Slipe of Enoch Abell and Abells Chance of Cuthbert Abell. See Chronology and Map. There were many references to the new house of Booth Abell which was in Abells Chance between the 3NR and cutoff. Pete & Lillie Himmelheber Thoughts? Linda Reno Mary CLARKE who married Cuthbert ABELL had a brother Phillip CLARKE. **I have no record of Philip Clarke, brother of Mary, after 1733.  The Philip Clarke listed above could be Philip, Jr., son of Philip and Hannah Mackall who married Catherine Wilson (she ties back into the Wilkinsons) or Philip III, son of Philip, Jr. **The wife of Nathaniel Hickman was Mary Gibbons, sister of Eleanor Gibbons discussed above.  Notice that Eleanor is called Eleanor Dement in the administrative accounts of her brother Major Gibbons in 1765 and Thomas Dement was the administrator. 8/2/1746:  Admin. accts. of Martha Gibbons, SMC.  Sureties: John Wiseman, John Woodward.  Payments to (among others): Major Gibbons (son of John Gibbons, due from Henry Tucker).  Legal representatives: John Gibbons, Stephen Gibbons, Henry Gibbons, Mager Gibbons, Nathaniel Hickman, William Daves, Eleanor Gibbons, Priscilla Gibbons.  Adm: John Gibbons. 3/5/1765: Admin. accts. of Major Gibbons, SMC.  Appraisers: George Aisquith, Joseph Hopewell.  Creditors: John Gibbins, Eleanor Dement.  Adm: Thomas Dement. 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All these people with the same name. In a previous message I identfied Alethaire Alethea Abell as b. 22 April 1764 ( MD Births & Christenings 1662-1911). d/o Rich"d Spalding & Ann. WRONG she would have been too young to marry in 1770. Alethaire A. Abell b. 1753 SMC d. 1 Dec 1821, Washington Co., KY d/o Samuel Abell & Eleanor O'Bryan appears to be one that m. Benedict Joseph Spalding 1746-1815 I have serious problems on which child married Who. Richard Spalding married in Washington Co., KY Nancy Taylor 17 Nov 1798 Henrietta Hamilton 28 Jul 1801 Tabitha Edwards 8 Jul 1805 Henny Thompson 17 Jan 1817 Mary Montgomery 15 Nov 1825 Mrs Mary Adams 15 Feb 1827 ( this is a married name, what was her maiden name?) These 6 marriages are on FTM CD # 229 Marriage Index. Joseph Spalding ha 4 marriages Benedict Jr. had 3 Some separation is easy but others I am not sure. If Eliza Beavins had a brother in-law Lewis Ignatius Spalding then she did not marry the Benedict in the Washington Co. Will of Benedict 1746-1815 as this Ignatius was Ignatius Aloysius. I do want to thank you for the dates from the bible as they can be varified against census records. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Mills" <justwannabe_kat@yahoo.com> To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Spalding source? It may be helpful I I post this sources, Marcia. Here's a transcription that existed possibly as early as the 1930's. My grandfather corresponded with this woman. I do not know who inherited the bible and never saw it myself, but believe it existed. I can not verify the accuracy of this transcript either. I haven't had time to check it all, but have verified some of it with early Holy Name of Mary Baptismal records. My family lines are Abell, Hamilton and Mills. "Copy of the Richard Spalding Bible in the possession of Mrs. Henrietta Spalding Boldick, Lebanon, KY _*Births*_ Richard Spalding , b Apr 6, 1777 Henrietta Hamilton, b May 31 1781, m July 12, 1801 John Spalding, b June 7, 1802 - died Sept 24 1803 Anastasia Spalding Born July 22, 1803 Julia Ann Spalding, b March 2, 1805 Leonard Spalding , Oct 24, 1806 (Leonard A. Spalding) Richard M. Spalding, b June 7, 1808 died Sept 24 1883 Martin John Spalding b May 23 1810 died Sept 7 1872 (Bishop) Benedict J. Spalding, born June 21 1812 died Aug 4, 1868 (priest) Clement C. Spalding, born May 7, 1814 died July 26, 1857 (?) Children of Richard and Henrietta Thompson (2nd wife) Caroline Spalding, b Oct 25 1817 died Sept... 1849 William Spalding, born Oct 19, 1818 died March 6. 1881 (William T. Spalding) Ann Hamilton Spalding, b May 15 1820 Henry Hudson Spalding born Oct 15, 1823 Mary Jane Spalding, born July 6 1825 died Oct 3 1847 Joseph Spalding b April 15, 1822, died March 14, 1884 Children of Richard and Mary Adams (3rd wife) Susannah M. Spalding, born May 22, 1831 Thomes E. Spalding, born Sept 23, 1834 died Oct 11, 1856 "Names and dates of my grandfather's children as copied from my fathers family Bible" Ann Spalding, born Feb 8 1771 (Hamilton) Mary Spalding, Born Feb 1, 1773 (Wathen) Elenor Spalding, born May 25, 1775 (Riney) Richard Spalding born Apr 16 1777 Thomas Spalding, born Dec 21 1778 Elizabeth Spalding, born July 28 1781 (Wathen) Benedict Spalding, born June 10, 1783 Joseph Spalding born Jun 10, 1786 Catherine Spalding born Apr 15 1788 (Forrest) Ignatius A. Spalding, Born may 5, 1790 Alethia Spalding, born Feb 1, 1792 (Simms) William Spalding, born May 5, 1795 Page 2 Richard Marcus Spalding, son of Richard and Henrietta Hamilton, born Jun 7, 1806 Mary Jane Lancaster, daughter of John Lancaster and Catherine Miles, was born May 25 1816 John Lancaster, born 27 Jan 1766, died Apr 24, 1838 Catherine, dau of Philip Miles was born Mar 29, 1773 died June 29 184 John Lancaster Spalding, son of Rich. and Mary Jane ordained Dec 19, 1863 Ann Catherine Spalding and Ralph L. Spalding married Oct 27, 1868 Leonard Hamilton Spalding and Mary Heefernan married May 24 1870 Benedict Joseph Spalding ordained Oct 28 1875 Henrietta Spalding (nun) Oct 3-1872 Mary Ellen Spalding and Francis Tully Slevin married Nov. 10 1875 Ann Edward Spalding and Nathen Henry Putnam married Nov 10 1875 John Lancaster Spaldign born June 2, 1840 Richard Clement Spalding born Spet 26, 1841 Ann Catherine Spalding, born May 21, 1843 Leanord Spalding born Jan 10 1845 Henrietta Spalding, born Jan 10 1847 mary Ellen Spalding, born Aug 13, 1849 Benedict Joseph Spalding, born Oct. 18, 1851 Anna Edward Spalding, born Nov 2, 1853 Martin John Mary Spalding , born Nov 22, 1856 _*Deaths*_Nannie Edward Spalding d Dec 19 1922 Richard Clement Spalding d June 15 1861 Martin John Mary Spalding, d Aug 1869 Richard Marcus Spalding, d Sept 24, 1869 Benedict Joseph Spalding d Nov 28, 1887 Mary Jane Spalding d Aug 11, 1895 Ralph L. Spalding d Jan 4 1880 Rt Rev. John Lancaster Spalding d Aug 22, 1917 Ann Catherine Spalding, d Jan 28 1918 _*Children of Ralph and Ann Catherine Spalding*_ Mary Bell Spalding b Feb 24 1870 Richard M. Spalding b June 23 1872 Henrietta Spalding b Mar 15. 1874 m George D. Boldrick Oct 27 1914 Samuel J. Spalding b Mary 24 1877 married Treasa Talbott May 12 1911 Catherine Spalding b Apr 6, 1880 married C. W Hagan April 28, 1911 Catherine died Mary 17, 1921 Richard M. Spalding b May 23 1872, m Nettie Lyddane Sept 28 1898 Nettie Lyddane dau of John and Bettie Smith Lyddane, was b Dec 16, 1873 _*Children:*_ John Lyddane Spalding b Dec 20 1899 Ralph Lancaster Spalding b Oct 1, 1901 Richard Martin Spalding, b Dec 14, 18902 Nettie Lyddane Spalding, died Nov. 14 1926 Richard M. Spalding died Oct 13 1927 < , |/ < ' /| Kat Mills --- On Tue, 2/12/13, Marcia <mmattingly@satx.rr.com> wrote: From: Marcia <mmattingly@satx.rr.com> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] MDSTMARY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 58 To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 11:20 AM List, I need to weigh in on this one. Again, let's correct these names and dates, if needed. The Spaldings and Mattinglys are well-documented lines, their descendants settling in Nelson/Washington/Marion counties of KY, pioneers of the Maryland League. Benedict Joseph SPALDING JR (1746-1815 KY) married Alethaire (Alethea) ABELL (1753-1821 KY), the daughter of Samuel Abell (c1719-1777 MD) and Eleanor Bryan (c1720-aft 1777 MD, presumed daughter of William Bryan). This couple has been used numerous times for DAR/SAR applications. They are my 4th great-grandparents. Benedict Joseph SPALDING SR (c1716-1768 MD) married Elizabeth MATTINGLY bef. 1746. She was daughter of Thomas Mattingly III (c1690-1774 MD) and Ruth Cole (c1698-bef 1774). (5th great-grandparents) Thomas Mattingly I (c1623-1664 MD) was the immigrant from England. Benedict Joseph Spalding was the grand-son of Thomas Spalding (c1640-c1713 MD) , immigrant from England. Both in St. Mary's County MD area. Benedict J. Spalding JR and Alethaire had a son, Benedict J. III, nicknamed "Ben Slick". Born Jun 1783-died Feb 1870 in Marion County KY. He married three times: Mary "Nancy" Hamilton; Elizabeth Elder; and Eliza McElroy. I have no children listed. There are many descendants of this couple, Benedict Joseph Spalding JR and Alethaire Abell, in KY, including: Hamilton, Simms, Abell, Lancaster, Wathen, Beaven, on and on. Much has been documented, but data from records and personal family trees does get tangled sometimes. And, the additional name "Joseph" is not always adopted, or recorded consistently, through the lines of descent. Hope this helps. From: a Mattingly/Mudd/Simms/Spalding/Lancaster et al descendant -----Original Message----- From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mdstmary-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:00 AM To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Subject: MDSTMARY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 58 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Benedict Spalding (Dave Lee) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 21:09:17 -0600 From: "Dave Lee" <davidhilary@suddenlink.net> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Benedict Spalding To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <66411EB0F2034F4BB69DE6D7251F03B9@user3e1dc38246> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I am afraid too many Benedict Spaldings are being mixed up. In Maryland Records I find a Benedict Spalding b. 1798 d. 16 Feb 1832 SMC m 29 Sep 1819 Alethea Greenwell. I have not found him with middle name Joseph? A Benedict Joseph Spalding b. 1720- 1769 m. Elizabeth Mattingly 1746 SMC. Their son Benedict Spalding, Jr. b. Dec 1746, Calvert Co., MD d. 1 or 6 Aug 1815 Washington Co., KY m. Alethea(various spellings) Abell 1770.She was b. 22 Apr 1764 St. Andrews Parish, St. Marys Co., MD ( per Maryland Births & Christenings 1662-1911) & d. 1 Dec 1821, Washington Co., KY d/o Richard Abell & Ann. Above backed up by Find A Grave & by Family Data Collection.Sons of American Revolution Applications have varying dates. They had a son that shows as Benedict Joseph Spalding, III on some records b. 10 Jun 1783, SMC d. 25 Feb 1870 Marion Co., KY but marriage index in Washington Co., KY shows him as Benedict Spalding, Jr, in 3 marriage records Polly Hamilton, 16 Jan 1805, Eliza Elder 16 Jan 1815, & Eliza A. Beavin 7 Nov 1832. I also found listed as a brother Joseph Spalding with 4 possible marriages in Washington Co. Would they have named a son Joseph if they had Benedict Joseph?? There was a Benedict A. Spalding in Washington Co. married in 1821. Also Benedict J. Spalding in Union Co., KY m. in 1842. Dave ----- Orid. 16 Feb 1832 ginal Message ----- From: "C Greenwell" <cgreenwell01@gmail.com> To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Benedict Spalding > Thanks. > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 3:55 PM, rubyslippers <rubyslippers@kc.rr.com> > wrote: >> Here is what I have, Randy. >> >> Benedict Spalding 6 Jan 1832 8th Feb 1832 >> Wife's 1/3 >> all to children unnamed >> Executors: Wife Althea and FRIEND Joseph Spalding >> T: Francis Abell, William Thomas, WZ Maddox >> >> then came Thomas Spalding and George H. Spalding - brothers of deceased >> >> >> >> On Feb 11, 2013, at 2:44 PM, C Greenwell <cgreenwell01@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Orphans Court Proceedings, SMC 1807-1852, folio 300 >>> June Term 1832 >>> Joseph Spalding, one of the Administrators for the Estate of Benedict >>> Spalding, petitions the court to allow the Estate of Benedict Spalding >>> to Administer the Estate of James Branson. >>> >>> I am not sure who this guy belongs to. Benedict Spalding did have a >>> brother named Alexander Joseph Spalding but he usually used the name >>> Alexander. In the will of Benedict Spalding (d. 1832) he names his >>> wife as Exec. No mention of Joseph Splading. >>> >>> Randy >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 1:32 PM, rubyslippers <rubyslippers@kc.rr.com> >>> wrote: >>>> I went back and the date Althea and Joseph were doing the accounting >>>> was 16th day of July 1832. >>>> >>>> I found the will proved 8th Feb 1832 of Benedict Spalding in SM. >>>> >>>> Thank you for the genealogy, Randy. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 11, 2013, at 12:04 PM, C Greenwell <cgreenwell01@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have Benedict Joseph Spalding (d. bef. 1832) son of Thomas Spalding >>>>> (d. 1819) and Rebecca Yates (d. 1833) who married Aletha Greenwell on >>>>> 29 Sep 1819, daughter of Thomas Greenwell (d. 1812) and Mary Simmons.. >>>>> She was the Admin for her husbands's will. He wrote is will on 2 Jan >>>>> 1831 and it was probated 4 Feb 1832. >>>>> >>>>> Randy >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 12:51 PM, rubyslippers >>>>> <rubyslippers@kc.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>> The final accounting by Aletha and James was dated April 23, 1831 and >>>>>> referred to Benedict as deceased. Apparently it was a very popular >>>>>> Spalding name. I found a record online assuming the one that was >>>>>> married to Aletha died in Kentucky. Then again maybe it's two >>>>>> different Alethas. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 11, 2013, at 11:32 AM, pundt1@comcast.net wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is this another Benedict Spalding? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Marriages & Deaths from the Maryland Gazette. Surames: S & T., pg. >>>>>>> 171 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Spalding Benedict, died Sat. 4th inst. at his residence in >>>>>>> Leonardtown in his 35th year. leaving a widow and 3 children. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (Long obit is given) 2/16/1832 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "rubyslippers" <rubyslippers@kc.rr.com> >>>>>>> To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 10:49:56 AM >>>>>>> Subject: [MDSTMARY] Benedict Spalding >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Starting in April 1830 Benedict Spalding acted as administrator of >>>>>>> the estate of James Branson. He filed 2 accountings. Then by April >>>>>>> 23, 1831 Benedict had died. James' estate was taken over by the >>>>>>> Administrators of Benedict's - Aletha and James Spalding. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does anyone have any insight to the relationship between James and >>>>>>> Benedict? 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Thanks, Tom Let's throw in another monkey wrench: The New Early Settlers of Maryland comprises 34,326 entries from Gust Skordas' Early Settlers of Maryland and Carson Gibb's Supplement to the Early Settlers of Marylandhttp://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/speccol/sc4300/sc4341/html/search.html Abell, FisherAA:365 Film No.: In Maryland by 1663Transcript. 6:81MSA SC 4341-  < , |/ < ' /|   Kat Mills   --- On Wed, 2/13/13, Thomas Jennings <consettct@gmail.com> wrote: From: Thomas Jennings <consettct@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Fisher or Usher and John Abell To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 3:19 PM Kat *Related Series*    - MARYLAND INDEXES (Patents, Index) S1426 1634-1985<http://guide.mdsa.net/series.cfm?action=viewSeries&ID=S1426>    - MARYLAND INDEXES (Patents, WA, Tract Index) S1427 1731-1961<http://guide.mdsa.net/series.cfm?action=viewSeries&ID=S1427>    - MARYLAND INDEXES (Patents, Manor Index) S1436 1634-1804<http://guide.mdsa.net/series.cfm?action=viewSeries&ID=S1436>    - LAND OFFICE (Patent Record, Original) S920 1657-1815<http://guide.mdsa.net/series.cfm?action=viewSeries&ID=S920>    - LAND OFFICE (Patent Record) SM2 1637-1975<http://guide.mdsa.net/series.cfm?action=viewSeries&ID=SM2> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:55 PM, K Mills <justwannabe_kat@yahoo.com> wrote: > Okay, UGGG. > So if the USHER deed actually says Mary wife of John Abell...we may be > looking at typos or three marriages. > I know everyone discounts this, citing how well versed the clerks were but > I have found a number of transcript discrepancies when you compare the > Archives wills with same existing ones from St. Mary's of the same period. > My assumption is that most of the mistakes were likely NOT the St. Mary's > ones because they would have had more intimate knowledge of the families > involved? > This will be my ultimate goal at Maryland Archives this year- to SEE that > USHER deed. > Do I have the right John Abell with will 1746 and Frances____ as exec?Any > takers for who this Frances was?I think that was still back and forth, > right? > < , |/ > < ' /|     Kat Mills > > --- On Wed, 2/13/13, John Dobricky <john.dobricky@gmail.com> wrote: > > From: John Dobricky <john.dobricky@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Fisher or Usher and John Abell > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 2:42 PM > > OK.....I'm sure you all have already investigated this but......... > > 1) Could there have been two contemporaneous men named "John Abell" > living in Maryland with a wife named "Mary"?  This happens all the > time.  We have no proof that the John and Mary (Usher?) Abell were the > same people as the John and Mary (Fisher?) Abell.  Kent County, MD, > and SMC are a long way apart. > > 2) To the best of my knowledge, there are no "Thomas Abell"s in the > next couple of generations of descendants of the "John Abell" who was > married to Mary (Fisher?Usher?) and who lived in SMC.  This would have > been unusual.  The John Abell in SMC did have a son named "Edward," > however--probably named for Edward Fisher. > > 3) Of course, there is also the intriguing similarity between the > surnames "Fisher" and "Usher"--they would be easy to confuse when > reading records written in early 18th century handwriting. > > Just a few thoughts.  Feedback welcome.  John Dobricky > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Thomas Jennings <consettct@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Linda > > > > I think he may have wed both. > > > > Tom > > > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> > wrote: > > > >> Back to this argument.  Tom Jennings believes she was Mary Usher.  I say > >> she > >> was Mary Fisher. > >> > >> My note to the list, 1/2004: > >> > >> There are those who claim that Mary Usher, daughter of Thomas Usher, was > >> the > >> wife of John Abell based on a land record which named Mary, wife of John > >> Abell, in 1715.  This won't work as Mary was named as a minor in her > >> father's will in 1714.  She was not old enough to have married John > Abell > >> and have had 3 children by 1715.  The wife of John Abell of SMC was ____ > >> FISHER, daughter of Edward Fisher. > >> > >> PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 1734  Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which > Thomas > >> Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who > sold > >> her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll.  (Note to me from Tom Jennings, > 1/17/2004). > >> > >> Pete only does St. Mary's County land records. > >> > >> Linda Reno > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] > >> On Behalf Of K Mills > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 3:11 PM > >> To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Fisher or Usher and John Abell > >> > >> > >> > >> Okay, I found my former notes, Linda.I hate when I miss a bunch of posts > >> for > >> work travel, because it take me a while to get my brain in gear.John > Abells > >> have had me going round and round for years. > >> I found this site that gives more info, but I can't verify > >>  it. > >> > >> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ritchiegenealogy/ritchie/7 > >> 869.htm< > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ritchiegenealogy/ritchie/7869.htm > > > >> I suspected that this inventory was filed BY Edward USHER for estate of > >> Thomas USHER.Brother or son Edward who was heir at law, or > son-in-law?Need > >> original to double check.Would Pete be able to find out the land in > KENT Co > >> or if this deed transcript actually says wife of JOHN ABELL? > >> PATENTS E.I.#1 f363-365 Kent Co., Md. Land in Kent Co. which Thomas > >> Usher left to his son, George & his dau. MARY, WIFE OF JOHN ABELL who > sold > >> her 55 acres to Thomas Morsoll. > >> PATENTS: Kent Co., Md. Thomas Usher 1705: Usher's Lott, The Neglect.1735 > >> (George Usher) Usher's > >> > >> Pt./Killinsworthmore. > ****************************************************** > >> ***********************John > >>  Abell  d. 1746  m. 1st Mary Usher 2nd Francis_____ > >> Abstract of Will of John Abell, dated: 15 Sep 1746 probated: 9 Nov 1746 > St. > >> Marys Co. > >> It named wife, Frances as adm. "my wife's son, John Howell and my > "dau-in > >> law, Catherine Hutchings" (step-dau. ?) son, Enoch Abell given 33 acres > of > >> Southern days; son, Cuthbert also named. In a codocil, he named his > >> brother, > >> Samuel Abell. Witnessed by Nathan Hickman, John Walker, and John > >> Swails.codicil:  brother Samuel, witnessed by Robert Hutchings > >> Skinner, Abst of Inv 1744-1748p74John Abell, Sr.        35.89 > SM   68.158 > >> Apr 8 1747Appraisers: > >>  John Read, Nathanial nickamnCreditors: John Abell, Gilbert IrelandNext > of > >> Kin: John Abell, Samuel AbellAdministratrix, Frances Abell > >> So are we now thinking there really was a son in law FISHER and this is > not > >> Usher family? > >> Edward Fisher[Usher] Accts, 368,75 5/13/1714 John Abell for his unnamed > >> wife, a child's part Thomas Batson for his unnamed wife, a child's > >> part payments to David Watson, John Abell, Henry Lowe, Thomas Price. > Admin. > >> William Thompson. > >>  Inv. of Edward Fisher[Usher] 33b.143 1/13/1712 kin: John Abell, Thomas > >> Batson Thomas Batson 21.30 7/24/1735 Inv. 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